Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[Sokr]

@felipe: what do you think of Seikend?

Answer please.

 

[felipe_9595]

Null. it extremely noticeable how he wasnt paying attention.

 

[Seikend]

Seikend, why Kantrip is null for you?

His questions have been open and undirected. A lot of them seem to have no intent or purpose to them. Like he has the most posts in the game but I don't remember his opinions on most of the players. Although to be fair, I skimmed.

On the other hand, the few questions he has followed through on (one that comes to mind is the terywj questioning) have come out with solid content and his intent to scumhunt then looks genuine.



If I do end up replacing out I'll be giving a final summary on all my reads etc.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (1) RR
2. Seikend ()
3. Terywj (2) Sworddancer, Kantrip
4. Sokr (1) JTB
5. Kantrip (2) adumbrodeus, Asdioh,
6. Sworddancer. ()
7. JTB ()
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) Soup, Swiss

Not voting - Seikend, July, Sokr, Tery, Felipe

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[Kantrip]

Sokr you haven't answered yet.

 

[Sokr]

Sokr you haven't answered yet.

What's the question? I can't find it.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait nevermind I'm an idiot.

FELIPE is the one I need an answer from.

Felipe, which of Swiss and adum would you rather sheep atm?

 

[felipe_9595]

When did you asked that xD? you asked for who did i like most xD

Adumb. I love swiss xD

Joking aside, both or none, i have the same reads on both. Nulls.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Soupamario and RR, I don't think either of you've answered my questions in my 232, please do so.

swords, do you agree that kantrip asking me that specific question about his interaction with adum is incredibly townie, backed with his null claim on his reads post?

You are referring to 222, correct?

If so , then yes, I can see the townie intent in it. He's willing to question the people who are defending him, which is good.

I was just wondering if there were any players you felt confident in reading better than other people. I was hoping you knew some meta/tendencies of one of the more hard-to-read players.

Alright Soup, that's fine.

Keep this on the low, but I am using a bit of meta to get my town reads on Soup and Kantrip. I have other reasons for thinking both are town, but meta is playing a little part in this for me.

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I'm fine with dying and stuff.

Ugh, so much WIFOM. I was going to just assume that Tery is just being dumb town, but apparently Tery has done this before as scum(?), so I'm just going to not take anything from this.

Tery, your vote isn't on anyone right now. I would like you to park your vote somewhere. You've expressed concern for Kantrip and Felipe, correct? Then vote one of them, until then this vote won't be coming off of you.

And why is this a towntell?

Because it shows that he actually cares to catch scum. The evidence being that he's thinking for himself.

I disagree. He casually tossed vote onto the player slot that would garner the most attention. Accusation or not, it's such an incredibly ballsy move that there's no doubt in my mind he's town.

The fact that it wasn't an accusation per say only furthers my noob read on him which makes him even less likely to be scum.

Again, I agree with you, I just think you're giving him too much credit for just that one thing. Newb scum colud of done that to by pure accident.

The whole "it wasn't an accusation" thing came after your original post where you stated that Skor was "absolute town."

What do you think of Felipe's (I think it was his, correct me if I'm worng)) recent accusation against Skor? Agree, disagree?

Your entire post is really wishy-washy, seeing from both sides is fine, but you seem to be very consciously attempting to preserve your options in regards to everyone.

Kantrip is only leaning town for your post, even though you've been "firm".

I think your confusing weak stances for being wishy-washy. Being wishy-washy means wavering between stances, which I am not. If your going to accuse me for this then please let me envole my play first, because you don't really know yet if my stances are going to continue to be weak (which they won't be). I think that, considering how early it is, it's fair to not be totally sold on any read just yet.

I would like to though strengthen my town reads on Soup, July, Felipe, and Kantrip though, and weaken my read on Skor.

Lets examine these.

July says that the issue was that he got defensive about it prior to anyone applying any actual pressure.

Felipe was talking about him being defensive while I was pushing him hardcore, so that's fair enough. The thing was, he was talking about the OMGUS.

As for Sokr, I'm pretty sure I know what he's talking about, but feel free to ask him.


So, how is this scummy?

Just because I felt like a bunch of people were ganging up on him for a generic reason.

Any suspicion against July I'll drop though.

#303 is a RR town-tell.

[post note]

brb work

Lol.

At least we know Soup takes good care to construct his posts.

Btw Soup let us let JTB finish his catch up, if he's not done by today then we can vote him, yes?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Redirect it to me, sword.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, fair enough. Curious though what you mean though when you say that Adumb case on Kantrip "seemed fairly true" when you've made it pretty clear that you think Kantrip is town.

it's at the beginning of my post

Seikend before you replace out (if you do) I'll like you to respond to Swiss's 186.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Felt genuine, basically.

I'm just terrible with my short word answers.

 

[JTB]

Forgot I was still voting sokr.

unvote


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I seen you lurk the thread and enter it about 3-4 times now, i was curious and worried about it because i would assume town RR would instantly come in the thread with something, your passive play (only by hypothesis) seemed like you had something on your mind but couldn't say it.

Bolded is odd reasoning, especially since I recall townRR lurking D1 in MMX by removing a picture against SWF policy and not participating in the game. Soup should know this since it was his game.


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His reasoning made no sense as to why he put his vote on Swiss, he just said "would be interesting" or something along the lines of that, and i have STILL yet to see any action of Sokr at all.

him being quiet doesn't help him, and it doesn't help us, if he is really a newbie then he should be questioning his reads more rather than sitting back waiting for something to happen.

and i don't see how that is going to help us find scum any less?

this is a weird and very bold statement JTB, almost puzzled.

how can one find scum if they don't give leads to where scum is?

i didn't see Sokr doing much with his vote and as it shown he instantly un-voted swiss, so far he has been obv-town for these reasons, as he likely doubted his vote in the first place.

right now, where his vote is, makes sense from also a noob-townie perspective.

I've been thinking this over and it's probably a matter of opinion. I think newbies should be allowed to do what they wish and learn the results first-hand rather than being told "no, that's not how you play."


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Obviusly sword, Imo, if a person si way to defensive, it means it haves something to hide.

This has nothing to do with alignment though.


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As opposed to lynching someone else who hasn't been doing anything? I know my lynch would give some reads and connections, right? I'm down for that.

I wonder how long it'll take for me to actually post this.

This post gives me a town read on Tery. He did the same thing in MMX, offering himself as a lynch to kill a scum with his vengeful townie shot.


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Finished first skim of the game so I have an idea of what's been happening. Gonna take a break and work on my second one before I get to work, then come back tonight. Finally got a charger for my laptop so I'll be able to keep up easier.

Adumb, what was it you wanted me to do for you? Pull up quotes of Kantrip's RVS behavior in droom games?

 

[felipe_9595]

inb4 Asdioh is Town gentleman

 

[Sokr]

Hi guys, guess what we're going to do?

we're either gonna vote seikend or vote JTB.



If you're worried about Swiss, or you don't have definitive read on him, he instantly called Seikend out and was his only strong scum-read, i highly doubt Swiss was bussing or trying to distance (because he's town) and if you still don't believe my words, you can benefit on some pressure of seikend, albeit him being heavily inactive.

he was incredibly cautious and his questions seemed fake, i have yet to see him provide something worth of it.

JTB, is the same thing, only i think i will give him time, i'm still leaning scum on him, but i can be wrong.

RR was a pick of mine but lately he has shown a townie attitude but a very passive one, i was concerned about his inactive play but it seems this game he is trying to better himself and be more confident in his actions/reads.

This statement on Swiss has caused me to seriously consider a Soup/Swiss evil pairing. It seems to me like Soup is trying to throw everyone off Swiss' trail.

I also agree on your read on Seikend and unless he produces good content, that's probably where my vote's going.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

There is no tail.

haven't you thought this also benefits me?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

JTB, what I would really like from you is a complete read list of everyone with analysis. It doesn't have to be fancy, but it has to be something. Please get to that ASAP.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Adumb, what was it you wanted me to do for you? Pull up quotes of Kantrip's RVS behavior in droom games?

Yes, please do it ASAP.

 

[Swiss]

This post might be a little lite. You're not allowed to count it as a scum tell because I'm pointing it out.

I'm just putting my thoughts out there. You don't like them? Then don't take them into account. I'm not forcing you to do anything.

Why would you suggest another player ignores your reads? Clearly you feel this is the best way to convince people, why?

That's pretty grimy. You can't tell someone to ignore your points if they disagree or don't like them. In order to get someone lynched, you have to convey your points in a way that others can agree with. Telling people to ignore them will never accomplish this.

If you still think I'm scum, why did you unvote and say it was just for pressure?

Town.

Just wondering, was this list something you formulated as you read? You read on my was null, and then one of my posts made you say a scum lean, and then you said to disregard what you had said previously and that I was null again. All in the same post. Just wondering if you can clarify on that a bit.

Chronological.

"It's so you can see my thought process".

i.e. I cbf editing my posts to reflect my final reads.

@ next question - misread. Apologies.

To me this sounds like an arrogant claim that will hopefully cover up any scummy maneuvers made by him. Tell me Swiss, how do you think your quest for devout followers is going? And why describe your gameplay to everyone?

Is a claim arrogant if it's backed up with evidence? If I wanted to hide scummy manoeuvres, I'd do it with a little style. Give me some credit. I'm nothing if not a showman.

If a Sokr whines in a thread, and there's no-one there to hear, is he still scum?

Hey, Swords. What's up? What's up with that? You know, that line. Nestled in amongst your townie post is that rotten apple. Just admit you're vig and we can move on. Everyone else already knows it.

Where's my cat? All I have is this lousy, empty bag.

@ Adum, Swords. Give me a day with Sokr, por favor.

I chuckled, for I had posted without realizing I got ninja'd by about ten posts.

Laughed IRL.

Swiss, i'm gunning for your crown.

i'm sorry, there can be only one ruler.

i shall be the one.

You can't overthrow what is taller than you.

Come, sit in my court.

Sokr, I'd take Soup's point that I have 'the crown' as a tacit admission he recognises my authority. The crown denotes, monarchy, leadership - does it not?

Excellent.

Glad we're clear that I was right again.

the game is just starting so i consider "almost" everyone as null, but i have a special read about Sokr

Its ok, he is newbie , but that doesnt mean he cant be scummy, even more, i really suspect from him, He is way to shy, he is not posting for himself, he barely post by his own (Only post when he haves to awnser something), and when he post by himself, i cant see to get anywhere, they are fluffy post, almost without content.

Please elaborate as to why you dislike him, I find this reasoning bizarre.

[Removed post to Adum, remind me to post this later]

Still null, Swiss is a pain to read.

I take offence.

I don't like either adum or swiss. Neither of them are giving enough away to get a good read on them but I'm thinking of leaning scum on adum.

More on Adum. What happened to scumSwiss?

Bizarre wording, you're "thinking of leaning scum on adum". Wishy-washy, vague. Careful.

Learn to read intent.

Do you think you are reliable at doing this?

I'm sorry guys, this post is really lacking in any content. The wireless internet has been seriously acting up for me recently. If I want to do anything online I have to do it on the family computer so I can only manage about half an hour of activity a day. That's to read the whole thread and to respond etc. I will probably have to talk to Gova about this, see if it's worth staying in the game or replacing out ASAP. Hope you can understand.

RR, do you think Seikand should replace out?

His questions have been open and undirected. A lot of them seem to have no intent or purpose to them. Like he has the most posts in the game but I don't remember his opinions on most of the players. Although to be fair, I skimmed.

On the other hand, the few questions he has followed through on (one that comes to mind is the terywj questioning) have come out with solid content and his intent to scumhunt then looks genuine.



If I do end up replacing out I'll be giving a final summary on all my reads etc.

Point A..on the other hand..Opposing point B.

No stance, no vigour, no belief.

No mercy.

@ Swords - Tery town. He was too relaxed about his death. Not a "Fine, kill me if you want". It was "I do not understand how this is not beneficial". The level of smarts to pull that AtE with that precision escape Tery with ease.

This statement on Swiss has caused me to seriously consider a Soup/Swiss evil pairing. It seems to me like Soup is trying to throw everyone off Swiss' trail.

I also agree on your read on Seikend and unless he produces good content, that's probably where my vote's going.

Well, he clearly wouldn't be doing a very good job, would he?

Let's dive into a quick analysis, Soup is an experienced player, he'd never get caught out by someone as poor as you (you admitted this yourself) - 'nor would he allow this implication were he scum. The only logical explanation is that we are not scumbuddies. Now we have this presupposition which we are clearly safe with, and we both call the other town, is it not reasonable to assume we are both town?

A more cynical, snide, mirthless player might question if you're afraid of townies clearing each other.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Do you think you're reliable at doing this?

Absolutely.

i've learned to take self-confidence in myself and what i do, among the reads i get from other players, i'd rather have death then be wrong.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm afraid i have made myself too much of an NK target at this point.

 

[Asdioh]

Glancing over my notes, I realized that pages 6-9 were all but empty. I sighed, realizing that there must be noteworthy interactions in here, but my slack had allowed me to fall behind.

unvote

The one known as Kantrip... was he really town? The words "This is too easy" crossed my mind upon my first read of page 1... so was it really too easy? I decided to give him a break for now. Still, it had been fun watching his

Spoiler

buttfrustration

as he got to L-3 within the first 3 pages of the game. I decided my revenge from Awkward Moments Mafia was now complete.

Vote: JTB

Here was a wagon I would be happy to see form.

 

[July]

Suddenly, a revelation hit me. "I don't really know what scumSwiss looks like, aside from back in Dissidia..."

I put my hand on her shoulder. "Patience," I said quietly, whilst cautiously eying JTB.
I then jerked my hand away, and eyed her cautiously too, because she's freaking July.


The next thought on my mind was a question directed at Swiss. "What about Kantrip's #83 gives you scumvibes, and what about his #115 gives you townvibes?" I asked curiously.

Posts like this boost my ego :3

Anyways that’s fine, whenever you think it’s appropriate please comment on your thoughts about JTB.

@Kantrip: Read on Sokr and thoughts on his #223

The Kantrip/Felipe thing from #231 to about #244 seemed asinine to me. Kantrip, how much experience do you have with Felipe? Do you think that you have enough experience with him as both scum and town to determine if he is acting out of character?

I did like that Kantrip attempted to get some reads out of Felipe during this process, that was the only good thing I took from that exchange.

@Soup: In your #249 you say that Felipe confirms your “meta-town” read and you are not going to worry about him anymore...I don’t like writing someone off purely based on meta and not this early in the game. Give me some substantial, non-meta reasons for your town read on Felipe. Also how confident are you in your Kantrip/Adum town reads; as confident as your Felipe read or less so?

#251: I do agree that Felipe’s reaction was not AtE, it seemed like genuine frustration and scum is usually better composed in such a situation. However if there are any other reason for your strong town read on Felipe I’d still like to hear them.

Felipe’s #274 raises a good point:

Yeah, thats what i was thinking, his post are way too bland, he is not trying to risk anything.

I cant see a scummy intent behind post without intents at all xD

The risky thing is a little weird, he has confronted Swiss a bit but he hasn't really put himself out there despite having some significant suspicions and scum picks. He seems willing to make accusations but less willing to act on them. And like Felipe said it’s hard to pull any intent or motivation out of most of his posts.

Tery’s #279 is null for me, mafia in Pizza asked for death multiple times but this game is so early that honestly this stance (that its okay to be lynched if it helps town with connections) is illogical for scum or town. Null.

#285 Kantrip’s quick response to Tery about why, why WHY he would already be okay with his own lynch does increase my growing town read on Kantrip.

@Sokr: In your #300 you seem to have Swiss, Adum, and Felipe as scum picks, correct? Convince me that I should look into any or all of them as scum picks, because right now they are all at least town leans for me.

Vote: Sokr

I see scum picks but no intent to push them; basically you've been talking about it but you seem reluctant to get your hands dirty, and I that doesn't set well with me.

After recent activities I like Kantrip and Felipe more, leaning town on them.

 

[July]

Ninja'd, you can still comment on JTB but I got a pretty good idea of what your read is on him now, and that's a vote I can support. I asked you specifically about your thoughts on JTB because of being mafia together in D.Gray, and JTB's first post was reminiscent of D.Gray JTB imo.

 

[JTB]

How does my first post relate to d.gray?

/on break at work

 

[Kantrip]

@Kantrip: Read on Sokr and thoughts on his #223

Town, but he's confusing me at the moment. He's never played mafia so I have no idea how his real life tendencies correlate into the game, and I'm learning pretty fast that knowing him in real life is not helping me read him. His #223 though, makes me want to say he's either town or scum with Swiss. He clearly realizes who Swiss is as a player, and yet he feels perfectly comfortable going head-to-head against Swiss. I'm inclined to lean towards town on that one for now, but I wouldn't rule out a scumSwiss telling Sokr to distance him with the behavior exhibited in his #223.

The Kantrip/Felipe thing from #231 to about #244 seemed asinine to me. Kantrip, how much experience do you have with Felipe? Do you think that you have enough experience with him as both scum and town to determine if he is acting out of character?

What about our conversation was asinine? Why?

I played with scumfelipe in the newbie game, and I played with townfelipe in Awkward Moments. I also read through Higurashi in which he had a PR, so I think I have a grasp of the basics of felipe's play in those three positions. The reason I called his behavior out of character is because the hostility was not present in any of the three games. It was something I hadn't really seen from him, and was therefore curious to me, without really leaning in any which direction as far as alignment. His explanation makes sense, of him being easy to anger if provoked, and considering he wasn't provoked in the other games I read of him (iirc), it would explain it.

@July, do you think what Sokr has been doing by providing reads and opinions with no intent to push them is more scummy than newbie then? Do you believe from what you have seen so far that he is capable of more?

 

[Sokr]

There is no tail.

haven't you thought this also benefits me?

No, I haven't. Explain to me how this would benefit you? I'm having trouble seeing that.

Why would you suggest another player ignores your reads? Clearly you feel this is the best way to convince people, why?


Is a claim arrogant if it's backed up with evidence? If I wanted to hide scummy manoeuvres, I'd do it with a little style. Give me some credit. I'm nothing if not a showman.


Sokr, I'd take Soup's point that I have 'the crown' as a tacit admission he recognises my authority. The crown denotes, monarchy, leadership - does it not?

A) I was merely pointing out that if he doesn't think my posts are useful, nobody's forcing him to take them as such.

B) I did not know you were a showman. But, by taking meta's into account, wouldn't following the same scum play be a poor tactic?

C) And if my idea of a Swiss/Soup scum pair then his claim that you have 'the crown' wouldn't mean anything. I personally am not going to blindly place my faith in a leader I know nothing about. However, you make good points that I will take into account.

 

[Kantrip]

@Sokr: What are your reads on everyone? You can copy and paste the list of players from the OP and give me a sentence or two for each.

 

[Sokr]

@July

I don't like either adum or swiss. Neither of them are giving enough away to get a good read on them but I'm thinking of leaning scum on adum.

This was a poor choice of wording. Currently I have a null on both of them.

@Sokr: In your #300 you seem to have Swiss, Adum, and Felipe as scum picks, correct? Convince me that I should look into any or all of them as scum picks, because right now they are all at least town leans for me.

I dunno, maybe I'm just inexperienced at reading people or am just overly wary of good players. I'm definitely not about to take them as 100% town. I personally don't like Swiss' claim to leadership and am not going to follow it blindly. For felipe, his gameplay so far to me has appeared to be composed of suck-upishness/bandwagoning. I haven't seen that much individual thought from him which says to me he's hiding something.

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip

I'll respond in a while. I'm going for a run.

 

[Kantrip]

@July



This was a poor choice of wording. Currently I have a null on both of them.



I dunno, maybe I'm just inexperienced at reading people or am just overly wary of good players. I'm definitely not about to take them as 100% town. I personally don't like Swiss' claim to leadership and am not going to follow it blindly. For felipe, his gameplay so far to me has appeared to be composed of suck-upishness/bandwagoning. I haven't seen that much individual thought from him which says to me he's hiding something.

Asdioh, what do you think of this post?

 

[felipe_9595]

>Sokr calling me a bandwagonners

He is right

Lulz, joke aside, Sokr, please elaborate, point where i have been a bandwagoner (From past the Mad-Felipe stage)

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip

Here it is:

adumbrodeous
Seikend
Terywj
Sokr
Kantrip
Sworddancer
JTB
Swiss
Soupamario
felipe_9595
July
Asdioh
Red Ryu

Null
Lean Town
Town
Lean Scum
Scum

 

[Sokr]

>Sokr calling me a bandwagonners

He is right

Lulz, joke aside, Sokr, please elaborate, point where i have been a bandwagoner (From past the Mad-Felipe stage)

Asking me to narrow my selection of data? Mad or not, your alignment is the same. I'm gonna use all of it for my read on you. I believe that in a state of being emotionally stressed, the chances of you letting something slip are greater. Where was it exactly that you stopped being "mad-felipe"?

 

[felipe_9595]

Hahahahaha, Dat OMGSUS, i think is rather hilarious (scummy) that his 2 scums are me and Swiss

 

[felipe_9595]

The 2 only one trying to get reads on him

 

[felipe_9595]

man, have you read anything at all? page 17-22.

 

[Kantrip]

felipe, you and Swiss are not the only ones trying to get reads from Sokr at all.

I'm confused, Sokr. You had a scum read on me before, and suddenly I'm one of your only town reads. What changed your mind so strongly?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This cookie just keeps crumbling.

here come my reads.

Town -
Sokr
Kantrip
Swiss
Felipe
Red Ryu
Terywj

Null -
Sworddancer.
Adum
July

Scum -
JTB
Seikend

@mod had a spacing error, feel free for a warning.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sword/Adum/July/JTB/Seikend.

you've got two scum in there, i'm hoping to peg one in JTB and the other in Seikend, but we'll see.

come friday i'll have more time to explain this, apologies for the short answers.