Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[felipe_9595]

Teryjw, WHY, you have entered my scum zone. Why would offer yourself as a lynch help town??? if you are town, why do you want get lynched, if we can scumhunt to lynch a maf??

 

[Kantrip]

If yes, to who? Do you care about this game? Or do you want to replace out? Now, why are you advocating your own lynch? To be frank, that is completely uncalled-for at this point in time.



Honestly, I actually agree with felipe to an extent here.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (2) RR, Kantrip
2. Seikend ()
3. Terywj (1) Sworddancer.
4. Sokr (1) JTB
5. Kantrip (2) adumbrodeus, Asdioh,
6. Sworddancer. ()
7. JTB ()
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) Soup, Swiss

Not voting - Seikend, July, Sokr, Tery, Felipe

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

You're the one saying "Why should we keep Tery around?". Think about it.

 

[Kantrip]

I have thought about it. That's why I posed the question. I wasn't expecting AtE and compliance with the idea of your lynch off of a mere suggestion of the idea.

Think about it.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

A townie has power in their voice and vote. That's it. Their job is to bring about connections and reads to contribute to town as a whole. If a townie is going to be pressured for a lynch, they need to understand with their lynch comes more reads and connections with other players. The rest of town can then deduce further.

The life of one townie is not worth more than the connections that they can bring to benefit town. An ignorant townie trying to fight for survival does not help anyone and just diverts the town's attention. I can understand opposition to this if the townie at question is a very skilled player, but obviously I'm not at said level. I'm obviously going to be okay if my lynch since it'll benefit town. For example, my dialogue between Kantrip comes to mind.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't necessarily agree that lynching a townie always benefits town. Rather, I think lynching a townie usually doesn't benefit town. If there is nothing scummy about their play in D1, they better have some REAL GOOD connections in order to advocate their lynch. This is irrelevant if they are scummy as well.

It seems like you're soft-claiming VT, Tery. Why would you do this with hardly any pressure on you to claim whatsoever?

What does your dialogue with me help us discern if we were to lynch you toDay?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

You first say, "Why should we keep you around if you're currently not doing anything." and then follow up with, "If a townie's not scummy, they shouldn't be lynched." What the premises seem to tell me is that "People doing nothing are scummy." There are other people who have yet to "do anything". Why single one out?

I'm not claiming anything.

 

[felipe_9595]

If you are offering yourself as a sac, then or you are VT, a Fool or Mafia. If you are a pr you are gametrowing

 

[Kantrip]

You're actively avoiding content by posting fluffy things.

You always do this, so I took it as a null tell.

Naturally, the course of action would be to question you or pressure you in some way to get a reaction that is different than what we're getting, since I didn't get anything from your play.

So I asked why we should keep you around so I could gauge your response. I don't like what I saw.

Pretty much what felipe just said. If you're not claiming VT, then you are being dumb or scum.

I don't like your responses, not one bit.

Unvote

Vote: Terywj

 

[Kantrip]

@Asdioh, thoughts on this dialogue between me and Tery?

 

[felipe_9595]

Guest is the new Anonymous

 

[Terywj [태리]]

And what's the difference between here and Housepets thus far? This, I'm interested in seeing.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I take this as a town tell, his thought process is clear and honest. Instead of being aggressive, or defensive, he's realistic and honest. The majority of his posts have been bland to me, and I do not think he is an asset to town. But town he is.
Adum I agree the way he reacted early game may not look perfect, but can you show me where exactly you see the intent, not just words to affect 'scum play'.

I somewhat see your point in his more recent posts.

The thing is, I do see a scum intent from his earlier posts rather clearly. There's no pro-town reason to convince people to disregard a vote intended to start a policy lynch, but then under the least pressure he retracted it, and then was evasive about his reasons, and then said it was intended as RVS which simply didn't make sense in context.

Ducking responsibility for a vote is something that speaks volumes about a person being more interested in not getting lynched then helping scumhunting.

That's why I think he's scum, but I'm waiting on JTB's answer before pursuing this further. Also want to see if I'm right about something in his posts.

I'm curious as to why you asked this. Are you asking because your read on my slot changed, or is there another reason? Your slot could go one of two ways at the moment in my eyes, and I want to watch for a bit to see if anything indicates one or the other. I'll keep you at null until then.

Ok, so it did change. I'll explain when you say when you made the change, as in post number or approximate post.

The intent I see is that Kantrip is actually trying to think for himself, and that he's willing to go against the tide. The fact that he voted Adumb shows actual attempts, I think, of scum hunting on his part, which I like. The fact that is accusation of Adumb is bad (lets face it, it really is) is simply evidence that he made a bad accusation against Adumb, and nothing more.

And why is this a towntell?

I wasn't suggesting anything like this at all. What I was just saying was that Skor literally only did one thing (accuse Swiss of something, which we latter found out wasn't even an accusation). You haven't observed anything beyond that from that point on, which is why I call it premptive to call him "absolute town" based off of just that.

I disagree. He casually tossed vote onto the player slot that would garner the most attention. Accusation or not, it's such an incredibly ballsy move that there's no doubt in my mind he's town.

The fact that it wasn't an accusation per say only furthers my noob read on him which makes him even less likely to be scum.

This is a little nitpicky of you. That one part was indeed can be seen as a bit wishy-washy (I was trying to view things from both sides there), but as a whole I've been pretty firm with a Kantrip town read.

Do you not like my entire post, or just that one part of the post?

Your entire post is really wishy-washy, seeing from both sides is fine, but you seem to be very consciously attempting to preserve your options in regards to everyone.

Kantrip is only leaning town for your post, even though you've been "firm".

So wait, I'm still confused, so let me clarify. Lets take this one question at a time, so I don't jump the gun on anything.

You originally attacked Kantrip for posting a RVS vote after RVS which you didn't buy, correct?

No, I attacked him because I didn't buy that his vote was an RVS vote.

The only point that was separate from that was his OMUGUS, everything else was why I didn't believe it was an RVS vote.

Nah, that was just odd wording. If you look down that post more you'll see that I have Soup as town.

Leaning town.

July's 117, first paragraph
Felipe's 103

Skor's 104

Asdioh said something about it to I'm pretty sure, but I don't quite remember where and I don't feel like going on a goose chase looking for it.

Lets examine these.

July says that the issue was that he got defensive about it prior to anyone applying any actual pressure.

Felipe was talking about him being defensive while I was pushing him hardcore, so that's fair enough. The thing was, he was talking about the OMGUS.

As for Sokr, I'm pretty sure I know what he's talking about, but feel free to ask him.


So, how is this scummy?

The FOS at the time was because I didn't have any reads that I felt were strong enough to vote yet. I did, btw, vote pretty soon afterwards, mind you.

I have two scumleans on RR and Tery, everyone else who I haven't mentioned as town is null, or is someone who I actually do already have a bit of an opinion of, but I want to see some things flesh out more before I give it out.

Again, this ties into what I said earlier about your slot.

Adumb, updated read on Swiss? If you've already have and I missed it then please quote it for me.

Still null, Swiss is a pain to read.

Uhhhh . . . . Quick! I need someone else to take a stance. Just two is pretty lousy.

uhhhhh . . . RR! RR, what do you think of Kantrip. That;s an issue that I do not believe you've weighed in on. Yeah.

Weak joke brah.

 

[Kantrip]

My read on you went back to null after I re-read our conversation.

You have been tunneling the one issue a lot, and apparently you still can't stop talking about it.

Do you have anything related to other things that are going on to comment on?

 

[Kantrip]

And what's the difference between here and Housepets thus far? This, I'm interested in seeing.

Why are you interested in seeing it?

In Housepets your posting was similar to how it has been this game. It seems to be a trend of apathy and fluff. I can't take it as a town tell because there's no reason you can't do this as scum (and I've never seen you play as scum). So I took it as a null tell.

What's scummy is how you responded to my questions of you. THAT was not in Housepets.

 

[adumbrodeus]

My read on you went back to null after I re-read our conversation.

You have been tunneling the one issue a lot, and apparently you still can't stop talking about it.

Do you have anything related to other things that are going on to comment on?

Which happened when, post-wise?

 

[Kantrip]

I don't recall. I'll go back and look to see if I can remember.

 

[Kantrip]

Hmm, I think it was when Soupa said the conversation was inherently TvT. When July questioned that was around the time I decided to read over it again and see where he was coming from, iirc.

What is your current read on Tery, adum?

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip:

I don't like either adum or swiss. Neither of them are giving enough away to get a good read on them but I'm thinking of leaning scum on adum.

As for felipe, I was originally leaning scum on him but then he changed his gamestyle completely after your little discussion. Overall I think his gameplay has been rather suck-up-ish and bandwagoner. I don't like it and that says scum to me.

Sworddancer I have a null on.

My read on you is null just because I know you to be the kindof person to analyze everything he says to make sure he gives nothing away.

But what about you? Is there anyone you think you have a strong read on?

 

[Sokr]

@felipe: what do you think of Seikend?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

From that night on, the nightmares would be unceasing.

Do you want a cake? Or a woman made of cake?

Kantrip just keeps confiriming and solidifying my town read on him. it's wonderful.

i'll get your question too in a moment.

Why? Why do you have a town read on him?

@Red Ryu: You're formulating a big post with reads and analysis of posts, right? I've been expecting something from you. I want to know who you trust more out of adum, Swiss, and Sword.

I do now that everyone has something out there to some extent.

Expect an incoming case soon.

As opposed to lynching someone else who hasn't been doing anything? I know my lynch would give some reads and connections, right? I'm down for that.

I wonder how long it'll take for me to actually post this.

Tery, don't.

There is no reason to do this, if your town or scum you should never be doing this.

I was being sarcastic with my second remark. I'm dead serious with the first one. I've been doing what I can, but being unable to frequently check back is extremely obnoxious. If my lynch provides sustainable reads and connections for other players, I'm okay with that.

Thing is, it won't.

I learn very little from the reads you have the people whom you interacted with.

So we're not gonna do it on that basis.

You're actively avoiding content by posting fluffy things.

You always do this, so I took it as a null tell.

Naturally, the course of action would be to question you or pressure you in some way to get a reaction that is different than what we're getting, since I didn't get anything from your play.

So I asked why we should keep you around so I could gauge your response. I don't like what I saw.

Pretty much what felipe just said. If you're not claiming VT, then you are being dumb or scum.

I don't like your responses, not one bit.

Unvote

Vote: Terywj

Uhhh...no.

I really dislike this jump from Kantrip, your either offering a policy lynch, which there isn't a clear need for such yet, or your doing it because you think he is scum. Save it for later.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ok Tery.

I can never read your alignment properly in any game I play because you do this a lot. Take the advice Xiivi told you at the end of Housepets mafia and use it more, it would greatly help you in mafia games if you took that approach since it would fit your play style a lot better.

Also don't do what T-Block said not to do, don't throw your arms in the air and give up as either alignment. You let things get to you too easily, I used to be like that in mafia where I got annoyed at people voting me a lot and me getting mislynched a lot/claiming cop, still happens sometimes as well.

I want you to fix this if you can by,

1. Not doing these things. Because they are scummy, but due to meta I can't definitively say it's a scum tell.

2. If your gonna do the style Xiivi told you, you need to look into intent and figure out where it is ok to do what he said.

3. Sometimes make you own content in where we can read your read. It's hard to peg where your ideas are from sometime, your #199 helps in some ways, other ways I don't get much, but if your gonna do this, make sure it relates tot he ideas of what people think on alignment.

I want to be able to read you better without you replacing out, and so far these will help ya if you give it a try.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Eh, stupid drowzy tea.

I'll get those questions I just missed in those quotes and others, my bad.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

aka in the morning after sleep if it wasn;t clear.

 

[Kantrip]

@Kantrip:

I don't like either adum or swiss. Neither of them are giving enough away to get a good read on them but I'm thinking of leaning scum on adum.

If you want someone to give more in order to read them, you can try asking them questions that will help you. I don't really get where you're coming from here.

As for felipe, I was originally leaning scum on him but then he changed his gamestyle completely after your little discussion. Overall I think his gameplay has been rather suck-up-ish and bandwagoner. I don't like it and that says scum to me.

Sworddancer I have a null on.

My read on you is null just because I know you to be the kindof person to analyze everything he says to make sure he gives nothing away.

But what about you? Is there anyone you think you have a strong read on?

I don't have any really strong reads, as it is still D1. I would say my town reads on you and Soup are my strongest reads. I did post my read list like... last page and the only thing that has changed on it are Felipe looking better and Tery looking worse.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wait. What? I didn't "throw my hands up in the air" (sometimes ), I was merely analyzing the situation Kantrip proposed. I fail to see how you interpreted it in such a manner. Furthermore, I was giving my opinion on something that isn't necessarily happening now, but is there for reference later. I'm not that ******** where I can't see that. Nobody is forming a major wagon here so the way you interpret my post is completely off.

 

[Kantrip]

@Red Ryu, why do you assume my vote is placed on Tery for the intent of lynching him anytime soon? We have a long way to go before we end D1.

@Tery, it did kind of seem like you were throwing your hands up with how you submitted and said you would advocate your own lynch. I feel like an idiot for doing the exact same thing in Housepets (even though I was only a VT), and I think it's better not to take a lynch like that if you know you're town. Unless the lynch will actually benefit town, you shouldn't be going into it willingly knowing that it will be a mis-lynch.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Seriously? I naturally assumed you were throwing the idea of my lynch in the event of no other possible options / beneficial outcomes. Why would I be okay with my lynch if we have obvious picks?

 

[Kantrip]

I don't know, that's why I didn't like how you responded. I was thinking the same thing: "Why would he be okay with his lynch"?

All I asked is why should you stay alive if you're going to not contribute.

I was not trying to institute a fall-back lynch or policy lynch on you.

*sigh* Why is every one of my votes being misconstrued? I do still think you look scummy and I want you to answer the outstanding questions. Also what are your reads?

 

[Kantrip]

@Swiss, what is your opinion of felipe and Tery?

 

[Swiss]

^ Town / Null.

Info when I finish work.

 

[JTB]

ended up doing duo ranked games all night with another person in league, so ill get at this in the morning

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Tery is town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

either tery has learned to use his apathetic and remorseful play to an advantage where people will always read him as apathetic town, or he is town.

in this latter, he seems town to me, especially his remarks and his sacrastic attitude.

Why is Kantrip town, soup?

Learn to read intent.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi guys, guess what we're going to do?

we're either gonna vote seikend or vote JTB.

Why?

If you're worried about Swiss, or you don't have definitive read on him, he instantly called Seikend out and was his only strong scum-read, i highly doubt Swiss was bussing or trying to distance (because he's town) and if you still don't believe my words, you can benefit on some pressure of seikend, albeit him being heavily inactive.

he was incredibly cautious and his questions seemed fake, i have yet to see him provide something worth of it.

JTB, is the same thing, only i think i will give him time, i'm still leaning scum on him, but i can be wrong.

RR was a pick of mine but lately he has shown a townie attitude but a very passive one, i was concerned about his inactive play but it seems this game he is trying to better himself and be more confident in his actions/reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

#303 is a RR town-tell.

[post note]

brb work

 

[Seikend]

Oh hello seikend, pleasant afternoon to you.

Explain? Are you leaning one being town, and the other being scum?

Or is it SvS?

Adum leaning town, Kantrip null.

Defensiveness in itself is not a scumtell. It's the amount of defensiveness that causes my read on Kantrip to lean towards scummy.

"Amount of defensiveness"? What do you mean?

Scum.

This is legit and not fake pressure. Before I explain why (which I will or lynch me), tell me why you think i now have you pegged as scum.

I can see I write information more than analysis but to me it seems pretty easy to infer what I mean. Other than that, I have no idea what you're looking at.

I contemplated voting for Seikend, to get more out of him, but then this caught my eye: I glared smoothly. He will convince me he's town by the end of toDay, if he wants to live.

I'm sorry guys, this post is really lacking in any content. The wireless internet has been seriously acting up for me recently. If I want to do anything online I have to do it on the family computer so I can only manage about half an hour of activity a day. That's to read the whole thread and to respond etc. I will probably have to talk to Gova about this, see if it's worth staying in the game or replacing out ASAP. Hope you can understand.

 

[felipe_9595]

Seikend, why Kantrip is null for you?

 

[Sokr]

"Amount of defensiveness"? What do you mean?

Being overly defensive. But that's old stuff and my read has changed. I posted what i thought a few posts back.