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[Terywj [태리]]

With that, I like Adumb, Sworddancer, and July.

Questionable stuff from Kantrip and Felipe.

Null on everything else so far.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

With that, I like Adumb, Sworddancer, and July.

Questionable stuff from Kantrip and Felipe.

Null on everything else.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

...

I hate campus.

 

[Swiss]

Are you telling me we should treat you like a null read if neither are a determinant for alignment?

Don't be silly. I'm telling you to get a town read on me.

So, what do you think about Tery's recent posts? Pretty scummy eh?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Go die in a hole. A deep one please.

That wasn't directed towards you and i was commenting on your lackluster and inefficient play.

my reads are almost (if not) the same as swiss', thus i rejoiced as they matched up with mine.

 

[Swiss]

That wasn't directed towards you and i was commenting on your lackluster and inefficient play.

my reads are almost (if not) the same as swiss', thus i rejoiced as they matched up with mine.

Swords / July reads?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Null on Swords, Town Lean on July.

mostly because of the latest post about the interaction between me and you, and her analysis, i liked it and it seemed generally honest.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh, how i want to unvote.

RR is this close to an unvote..can he do it?

will he pull through?

 

[felipe_9595]

Teryjw: My awnser is simple. i got bored as hell when i play as No PR. is the most borin thing that can happen to me. As PR (maf or Town) i can play effeciently (Sometimes my gambits doesnt work xP)

Soup, we are on day 1, How can i be playing inneficiently when the day jsut ****ing started.

Oh and teryjw, Being defensive dont work at all (and yeah, i have previous experience). You will end looking scummy either way.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Don't be silly. I'm telling you to get a town read on me.

Why?

I'm town, but why should I trust you with a town read. I've got a big fat null so far.

So, what do you think about Tery's recent posts? Pretty scummy eh?

His #199?

From what I can tell, I learn nothing of his scum picks if I also take his past posts into consideration.

At best he has a dislike of Felipe, You a tad maybe, and myself.

Otherwise a lot of it was a big pack of fluff. Some of it is content over with how he is making comments about Felipe. I'm not certain to think this was done with scum intent, I don't like his previous posts where he posted nothing to help me see where is overall head it at.

That post helps me with some individual players but still only gives info on Felipe, Adumb, and Kantrip. But still is in the dark of everyone else on alignment.

 

[Sokr]

@Terywj

I guess you could say its a sortof gut thing. it's definitely not easy to explain. I suppose you could say its up to individual judgement.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Red Ryu, are you reading? Where did I say I didn't like Swiss or you.

@Terywj

I guess you could say its a sortof gut thing. it's definitely not easy to explain. I suppose you could say its up to individual judgement.

If it's individual, and therefore subjective, how does this help anyone if you saying being overly defensive is indicative of scum, especially when it's "sort of a gut thing"?

 

[Sokr]

Red Ryu, are you reading? Where did I say I didn't like Swiss or you.



If it's individual, and therefore subjective, how does this help anyone if you saying being overly defensive is indicative of scum, especially when it's "sort of a gut thing"?

I'm just putting my thoughts out there. You don't like them? Then don't take them into account. I'm not forcing you to do anything.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ryu, are you reading? Where did I say I didn't like Swiss or you.

Then what are your reads on us in your #199?

 

[Kantrip]

I'm just putting my thoughts out there. You don't like them? Then don't take them into account. I'm not forcing you to do anything.

That's pretty grimy. You can't tell someone to ignore your points if they disagree or don't like them. In order to get someone lynched, you have to convey your points in a way that others can agree with. Telling people to ignore them will never accomplish this.

If you still think I'm scum, why did you unvote and say it was just for pressure?

 

[Sokr]

That's pretty grimy. You can't tell someone to ignore your points if they disagree or don't like them. In order to get someone lynched, you have to convey your points in a way that others can agree with. Telling people to ignore them will never accomplish this.

If you still think I'm scum, why did you unvote and say it was just for pressure?

Because it was just for pressure. Also, seeing the points that others have said about you I'm reconsidering my scum read on you.

 

[Kantrip]

What exactly is making you reconsider?

Also, if it was a pressure vote, did you get anything out of it? I would assume you thought I was scum even after the vote because you have already said you have a scum read on me. In that case, why did you unvote?

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (2) RR, Kantrip
2. Seikend ()
3. Terywj (1) Sworddancer.
4. Sokr (1) JTB
5. Kantrip (3) adumbrodeus, Asdioh, Felipe
6. Sworddancer. ()
7. JTB ()
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) Soup, Swiss

Not voting - Seikend, July, Sokr, Tery

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Then what are your reads on us in your #199?

Hmm. Let's see. I questioned something Swiss said, and then I mentioned how I liked your posts regards to RVS. Then, I followed up with.

With that, I like Adumb, Sworddancer, and July.

Questionable stuff from Kantrip and Felipe.

Null on everything else so far.

This means I don't like you and Swiss???

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Gova, I unvoted a while back.

 

[Asdioh]

ScumSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him time to lead enough mislynches and post-flip-reads that town can never recover - so he wins the game.

TownSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him the time to destroy scum as they hesisate in their NK's and whether to day-focus him - so he wins the game

 

[Kantrip]

I think this game has a mixture of your logic vs. their logic.

I see kantrip's logic as much as i see Adum's logic, Adum has solitary reasoning and i would agree to it if i didn't already see what Kantrip was doing, this helps that i felt the intent and purpose behind his actions back then, which i believe i explained.

The latest banter between Adum v Kantrip is the same thing, but i think Adum needs to get his head together and stop tunneling, i've seen him do this in MMX.

there's been enough pressure on Kantrip's slot, the only thing we could do now is if you really believed he was scum was to force a claim out of him, and i don't want that.

remember, i still want a read on felipe.

Do you think my logic and adum's logic conflict with each other? Is it possible for both of us to be in the right? Is it a matter of interpretation, or do you think the two of us are just misunderstanding each other? Basically, I want to hear more about how you see both sides of the story, because I don't think many people are claiming the same thing.

A smirk tugged at my lips. Indeed, my role PM had said nothing about a "third person" posting restriction.


Looking at July's 117, the thought "What, exactly, are her stances?" snuck it's way into my head. I frowned slightly.


Creepy.

Alright, so not a 3rd person, but a past tense weird kind of thing. It seems it's a posting restriction though (or you want us to think it is, I can go with the former for now), so I guess we'll have to leave that be. At least it's interesting to read.

It was around this point that I realized it would go down in history as "Adum vs Kantrip" and not Adum/Asdioh vs Kantrip." Alas, for coming into the thread a couple hours too late!

Hmm. I think Asdioh is town. He wants to be associated with the argument even though he's not being acknowledged for such. Considering the suspicion that can go along with taking credit for something like this, it means he's probably being legitimate about it. Either that, or he's scum who knows the argument was TvT and wants to be associated with adum's side of the argument which has already been acknowledged as town. I'd side with the former currently.

Also @Kantrip: What's your opinion of my slot now? If it's changed, as of what post did it change.

I'm curious as to why you asked this. Are you asking because your read on my slot changed, or is there another reason? Your slot could go one of two ways at the moment in my eyes, and I want to watch for a bit to see if anything indicates one or the other. I'll keep you at null until then.

"Duuuuurp you have a completely reasonable case against Kantrip but a person voted before you so you are Jumping on a wagon Duuurp Huurp"

And i am the one with the "Noob Logic"

Felipe, smarten up and stop being a hypocrite. Throwing your vote on with poor reasoning after somebody else already made a case is exactly what you did. You jumped on the wagon. Stop trying to patronize players who are leagues better than you.

Suspicion raised in my eyes.

I feel as if I know you. I do not trust you an inch. But surely, you would have created an alias before the role PM's - should I not take this as null? Discuss.

I find it odd you have come into the game so strongly, yet were unaware you had bold to vote. Did you not read the rules? You've read everything else. Why would you skim so?

I can assure you that he is new to mafia. Before we signed up for this game I hyped him up a lot and told him stuff about the game and which articles to read on mafiascum and answered a lot of questions for him. I'm pretty sure him not knowing to bold his commands was from a lack of knowledge of this forum or the rules behind the technicalities of mafia. He has done his research into game-specific terms and stuff, though. You can verify this by checking in the sign-up thread and seeing that the two of us signed up for this game at practically the same time.

Asdioh is town.

July leans town, FYI.

Felipe is town.

Kantrip null, Soup null. Dislike Adum.

Kantrip leans scum #83

Dislike Soup switching to Kantrip town, seems like he wants townie points for calling a townie.

Adum you're staying too far back for my liking. Get involved, stuck in.

Just wondering, was this list something you formulated as you read? You read on my was null, and then one of my posts made you say a scum lean, and then you said to disregard what you had said previously and that I was null again. All in the same post. Just wondering if you can clarify on that a bit.

I like this

Scrap whatever I said about him. Null.

Adum town.

Adum, how convinced are you of your Kantrip case? I need a 100% honest answer. Because he's town.

Because these thoughts are pretty different from the previous ones though they are in the same post.
[/QUOTE]

I take this as a town tell, his thought process is clear and honest. Instead of being aggressive, or defensive, he's realistic and honest. The majority of his posts have been bland to me, and I do not think he is an asset to town. But town he is.
Adum I agree the way he reacted early game may not look perfect, but can you show me where exactly you see the intent, not just words to affect 'scum play'.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "bland" play?

You say you take this as a town tell, yet you had only had me as either null or lean scum in your last post. Did something change from your first post and this? If so, what? If not, what made you neglect to mention that you thought I was town?

I took this as scummy because it came across as opportunistic (Sokr/Swiss scum team). His wording to you was buddying in nature (if not intent), he did not need to be 'pleased' to see you and agreed with you.

To clarify, I do not think a Swiss/Sokr scum team is possible. I think you misinterpreted. I said that I agreed with what Asdioh said on the matter, and he said he thinks that that is an unlikely scum team. I was saying that I agree with what he said there.

Now, a curious player might ask why I didn't call you (Asdioh, IIRC) out on the Swiss / Sokr scum team scenario. That's because it wasn't the scenario itself I found unlikely, it was his opportunism I found scummy.

Could you explain what was opportunistic? Or was that a result of you misinterpreting what I said?

 

[Sokr]

ScumSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him time to lead enough mislynches and post-flip-reads that town can never recover - so he wins the game.

TownSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him the time to destroy scum as they hesisate in their NK's and whether to day-focus him - so he wins the game

To me this sounds like an arrogant claim that will hopefully cover up any scummy maneuvers made by him. Tell me Swiss, how do you think your quest for devout followers is going? And why describe your gameplay to everyone?

 

[Kantrip]

1. adumbrodeus
2. Seikend
3. Terywj
4. Sokr
5. Kantrip
6. Sworddancer.
7. JTB
8. Swiss
9. Soupamario
10. Felipe_9595
11. July
12. Asdioh
13. Red Ryu

I'm going to be re-reading. I need scum reads.

 

[Sokr]

1. adumbrodeus
2. Seikend
3. Terywj
4. Sokr
5. Kantrip
6. Sworddancer.
7. JTB
8. Swiss
9. Soupamario
10. Felipe_9595
11. July
12. Asdioh
13. Red Ryu

I'm going to be re-reading. I need scum reads.

Could you please inform me what the different colors mean?

 

[Asdioh]

1. adumbrodeus
2. Seikend
3. Terywj
4. Sokr
5. Kantrip
6. Sworddancer.
7. JTB
8. Swiss
9. Soupamario
10. Felipe_9595
11. July
12. Asdioh
13. Red Ryu

I'm going to be re-reading. I need scum reads.

A thank you was in order, for Kantrip had answered my question before I even got to ask it. I agreed that he needed scumreads.

 

[Kantrip]

Those are my reads.

Town
Lean Town
Null
Lean Scum
Scum

This is the scale I use.

 

[Kantrip]

Everybody stop voting Kantrip. the interaction between Adum v. Kantrip is iherently TvT, if another vote goes on Kantrip, you are scum./QUOTE]

What was this about, Soup? Were you trying to threaten people to deter them from voting me?

Stating that putting a vote on me would look scummy ruins the authenticity of that statement, because then scum would obviously not place their vote down.

Actually, I have an idea of why you wanted to say that but I'd like to hear you say it just to be sure.

 

[Kantrip]

Ugh stupid coding.

Everybody stop voting Kantrip. the interaction between Adum v. Kantrip is iherently TvT, if another vote goes on Kantrip, you are scum.

 

[felipe_9595]

Cool Story Soupa.

 

[Kantrip]

Felipe could you actually do something? You're being very rude and saying a bunch of stupid **** while avoiding opportunities for content.

What are you reads right now?

If you had to follow one of Swiss or adum right now, who would you choose and why?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Thus the cookie crumbles once more.


@Swords yes, i did word that weridly didn't i.

I cannot see Adum or Kantrip being both scum, and since i think they're both town, i'm willing to put that's the truth of the matter.

for stated reasons, Adum is playing much like MMX, call it meta but there is also adum giving actual content and pressure rather than sitting in the sidelines, i see a townie adum and his case on Kantrip seemed fairly true.

People seem to disagree with me (but besides you swords) that Kantrip is town, for stated reasons.

that's about it for that.

right now, i'm waiting for RR.

Okay, fair enough. Curious though what you mean though when you say that Adumb case on Kantrip "seemed fairly true" when you've made it pretty clear that you think Kantrip is town.

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not directed at anyone in particular: Wrt JTB, I would like to see him catch up before I make judgements about him and potentially corrupt a better read that I can get on him, and I would recommend others do the same.

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I'm still trying to understand Kantrip's intent; his response to Adum was as if his accusations against him were scummy, whereas I think Adum had a good reason to pressure Kantrip and that even if he is wrong, its not scummy for him to pressure Kantrip for what could be an inconsistency in his reasoning this early in the game. Also I don't want to underestimate Kantrip, he played really in Awkward Moments Mafia and took very little pressure for anything that game, so I don't mind seeing him pressured or keeping an eye on him to make sure he is scumhunting.

The intent I see is that Kantrip is actually trying to think for himself, and that he's willing to go against the tide. The fact that he voted Adumb shows actual attempts, I think, of scum hunting on his part, which I like. The fact that is accusation of Adumb is bad (lets face it, it really is) is simply evidence that he made a bad accusation against Adumb, and nothing more.

Looking forward to a full analysis of why you dislike soup.

I don't dislike Soup though. That was just RVS.

[QUOTE-Swiss]
I'll overlook your vig crumb, but others may not.
[/QUOTE]

Ir wasn't a crumb, at all.

Swiss if you honestly thought that was a crumb, for what possible reason would you ever bring it up?

Obviusly sword, Imo, if a person si way to defensive, it means it haves something to hide.

Be honest, have you've considered that it might just be him?

Ok, I'll grant you that it's possible that Sokr is actually a skilled experienced player and pulling the same stuff OS did in TMNT and it is one possible caveat that's possible even at a low level of play, but both are extremely unlikely, so I'm very comfortable with my town read.

Also, Swiss' actual skill level is irrelevant, the fact that he at that point was incredibly visible and dominated the conversations and tenor of the game is. The visibility that attacking swiss gave him is the main point of why it's so townie, not what swiss could do in return.

I wasn't suggesting anything like this at all. What I was just saying was that Skor literally only did one thing (accuse Swiss of something, which we latter found out wasn't even an accusation). You haven't observed anything beyond that from that point on, which is why I call it premptive to call him "absolute town" based off of just that.

... So wishy-washy. Don't like this post at all.

This is a little nitpicky of you. That one part was indeed can be seen as a bit wishy-washy (I was trying to view things from both sides there), but as a whole I've been pretty firm with a Kantrip town read.

Do you not like my entire post, or just that one part of the post?

How so? I said his justification didn't ring true. The justification being that it was an RVS vote. Maybe I didn't make this clear initially but I certainly clarified it later.

So wait, I'm still confused, so let me clarify. Lets take this one question at a time, so I don't jump the gun on anything.

You originally attacked Kantrip for posting a RVS vote after RVS which you didn't buy, correct?

Again, wishy washy.

Nah, that was just odd wording. If you look down that post more you'll see that I have Soup as town.

Ok, let me ask you, what precisely are you pointing to here? Cite posts.

July's 117, first paragraph
Felipe's 103

Skor's 104

Asdioh said something about it to I'm pretty sure, but I don't quite remember where and I don't feel like going on a goose chase looking for it.

Why you FOSing, but placing no votes?


Swords, who are your scumreads?

The FOS at the time was because I didn't have any reads that I felt were strong enough to vote yet. I did, btw, vote pretty soon afterwards, mind you.

I have two scumleans on RR and Tery, everyone else who I haven't mentioned as town is null, or is someone who I actually do already have a bit of an opinion of, but I want to see some things flesh out more before I give it out.

Adumb, updated read on Swiss? If you've already have and I missed it then please quote it for me.

Kantrip, if you HAD (just imagine) to vote for someone else this instant, then who would it be and why? Also not Skor.

Uhhhh . . . . Quick! I need someone else to take a stance. Just two is pretty lousy.

uhhhhh . . . RR! RR, what do you think of Kantrip. That;s an issue that I do not believe you've weighed in on. Yeah.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

1. adumbrodeus
2. Seikend
3. Terywj
4. Sokr
5. Kantrip
6. Sworddancer.
7. JTB
8. Swiss
9. Soupamario
10. Felipe_9595
11. July
12. Asdioh
13. Red Ryu

I'm going to be re-reading. I need scum reads.

ugh, that what I get for preemptively asking a question without fully reading the thread before asking a question.

Cool stuff for giving out a read list, but my question does actually still stand, btw.

 

[Asdioh]

I contemplated voting for Seikend, to get more out of him, but then this caught my eye:

Last Activity: Today 12:21 PM

I glared smoothly. He will convince me he's town by the end of toDay, if he wants to live.



I shifted my attention to Red Ruy. "Do you have any scumpicks?" I asked reasonably. "You can only pressure inactives (JTB) for so long."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Let me invent an idea quick.

 

[Kantrip]

"Kantrip, if you HAD (just imagine) to vote for someone else this instant, then who would it be and why? Also not Skor."

Probably felipe. I do not like his play. He's been spewing rude remarks and the one thing I did see him do that was on-topic was his jump onto my wagon. He only started getting really rude and saying stupid things when he was accused of jumping on my wagon.

This does not line up of what I've seen from him before. I've never seen felipe be this hostile.

That said, it's not enough to place a vote over, and I want to hear felipe answer the questions I asked him previously.

 

[Asdioh]

Let me invent an idea quick.

From that night on, the nightmares would be unceasing.

 

[felipe_9595]

Wait Kantrip, Wut ¡¡??

I am being rude??? I am not calling other players noobs . i am not insulting you or something for the like or anyone else, the only one being rude here are you and soupa. both of you learn some respect, there are ways to say someone that his strategy is bad, but going straight and say "Your logic is noob" or how the other players are in different leagues is not the correct way to do it.

And yes, i am mad.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh come now, Assdough, you watch anime all the time. Surely you've seen stranger than that.

Kantrip I understand the not producing content part, but I don't see what him being hostile has anything to do with it.

 

[felipe_9595]

And dont lie, i am not an hostile person, i am only hostile when i get attacked without reason. Soupa have been insulting me since day 1. I will not tolerate personal attacks. Whats the thing with the EM Players, do you guys have some kind of problems with them?

Tell, in which other game i was hostile. In Newbie 14 I blended as town and didnt attack anyone. in AM i replaced too late into the game and i got lost, in Higurashi i made a bad gambit but didnt attack anyone in specific.