Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes I did felipe, mind commenting on anything else?

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (2) RR, Kantrip
2. Seikend ()
3. Terywj ()
4. Sokr (1) JTB
5. Kantrip (4) adumbrodeus, Asdioh, Sokr, Felipe
6. Sworddancer. ()
7. JTB ()
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario (1) Sworddancer
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) Tery, Soup

Not voting - Seikend, Swiss, July,

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What does RVS tell you about people and why?

Initiative, early connections, and ideas of how unknown players play.

If they like to be quiet in RvS, they are more likely scum.

If they place votes early and do so from a semi serious standpoint, they are not connected.

Unknown players give me an idea of how they play from RvS a bit, it's something to learn and see what I can take as a scum tell if they are newer and if they are somewhat experienced or are, I can learn what to expect from them.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

JTB, let me know you scum picks when ya get back.

 

[Asdioh]

"Red Ruy" I asked, "Does your RVS vote on Adum still belong there?"

 

[Sokr]

So uhh.

@Sokr Is defensiveness a scumtell? When you say something smells scummy behind Kantrip's actions do you have any reason for that or is it purely "gut"?

Defensiveness in itself is not a scumtell. It's the amount of defensiveness that causes my read on Kantrip to lean towards scummy.

 

[felipe_9595]

Yes I did felipe, mind commenting on anything else?

If you did, then why are you saying i "jumped" on Kantrip????

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

"Red Ruy" I asked, "Does your RVS vote on Adum still belong there?"

Probs not, waiting for a JTB post before I do something with it. If he takes too long I'll move it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because you still voted him and jumped onto it, I don't care when you voted you still had bad reasoning to it.

 

[felipe_9595]

"Duuuuurp you have a completely reasonable case against Kantrip but a person voted before you so you are Jumping on a wagon Duuurp Huurp"

And i am the one with the "Noob Logic"

 

[Sokr]

Alright, I'm interested to see who's reasoning holds up.



Explain what you mean by "poorly executed plans." Also explain what about the real-life meta you have on my relates to this game and what you're getting from it. Could you tell me what exactly smells scummy with my gameplay?



First of all, your JTB vote was random, yes?

@adumb, now that you know felipe's vote didn't mean what you thought it mean, what is your opinion of felipe and his vote on JTB?

Anyways, felipe: I've already covered why your "argument" was bad. Could you try to go in more detail and point out at least one specific example of what you mean?



What is town Kantrip and how does this differ?

I meant that your plan didn't produce what you thought it would and as a result you're being tunneled. As for the real-life meta, that was more of a gut thing. My vote against you was purely for pressure purposes and to see how others reacted. I am unsure of my read on you and am removing my vote for now.

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't really need this anymore.

unvote

I know that a lot of thee questions that I'm about to ask have already been asked and answered, but I'm too lazy to go through my own post after just reading through the entire thread twice.

In a game where he was scum he mocked and spouted all of the AtE he could ever have during his soon-to-be lynch, when he wasn't pressured he was passive, but didn't make obvious statements.

as town, the exact opposite, he was obvious with his statements whether helpful or not and his play was sporadic, when he was pressured he went back to the AtE thing but wasn't as serious.
i've played about 2-3 games with him, not very recent, but i haven't seen him on EM anymore so i doubt his play has changed.

Do you think though that you've really played with him enough and often enough to be able to get a town read off of him just because he's posting in a certain style? Tbh it seems a bit preemptive to me to be placing him in as a town read so early.

I haven't seen his forum play besides Higurashi, does my quick description match up?

his wifoming of doc was stupid and made him obv-town though, so i'm not sure how much merit that has.

Yeah, more or less he played like that in Higurashi. He was pretty open with everything he thought, and after he claimed doc he pretty much ceased to play the game seriously. It's not a perfect match of what you described (I didn't really see the AtE), but I can see the simularites.

I'll still be more cautious though, as I really do think any of us know his scum play well enough to compare and contrast it properly with his town play.

@everyone: talk to me about inactives, and your stance on them.

in a situation where there are no leads, are you willing to lynch an inactive or go with your gut?

this can be vice-versa.

Probably gut, unless a lot of people toke some kind of stance on the inactive, thus giving him more connections. Thing is, if someone's gut, then it's probably because I can't work them in as town, which very well may make them scum. Plus, by default, they probably have more connections than the inactive.

Of course, as others have said, if we're at the point where we're lynching between a gut and an inactive, then we're probably doing something wrong.

No thanks, I think my vote contained the appropriate amount of sarcasm. Unless you are saying that without some sort of satirical statement or emoticon you can't tell the intent behind it. That is pretty indicative of a bad player, being unable to discern motivation without sarcasm to lay it out for them. I don't think you are a bad player, which is why I'm not sure why you believed that.

You think I was sheeping Sword's RvS vote?

Quoting this for future reference, just because it seems to be a hot topic post which Adumb has revolved his case around. Going to say right now that this looks a lot like he's just saying that he was joking around with his RVS vote.

Sokr is absolutely town. His case is crap, but he's definitely town.

Really? This definitely seems to be strong, even more so than Soup's town read on Felipe. I don't necessarily disagree with a slight town lean at this point, but does his one case really warrant an "absolute town" read on him? That definitely seems preemptive.

Also keep in mind that he doesn't necessarily know how good Swiss is, instead only that Swiss paints himself as a good player.

@Tery: You skipped my question in my 28, please answer it.

Yeah it was RVS. There are other players who I would advocate for a policy lynch before Soup if that were to arise, and even then I would prefer not to policy lynch. Honestly, I just felt like voting Soup. It held no more purpose than most RVS votes, though it was interesting to see his reaction to the statement I made about lynching him. I've got a leaning town read on him as a result, by the way.

If there is anything actually suspicious of you, I think it's mostly how you later go on to make a big deal about how you and him have different views on RVS, like you're immediately trying to pass off his case against you as a simple misunderstanding, rather it is actually that or not.

That said, I don't really find you suspicious, just clarifying my thoughts on this situation.

Yea, that's what I thought. He torpedo'd it because people followed him.

Your justification doesn't ring true at all.

vote: Kantrip

Your original reasoning for voting Kantrip doesn't really seem to line up with what you say later on. You seem to be voting Kantrip here because he made a RVS vote after RVS, and you don't believe that that is an honest mistake. However . . .

Actually it was the fact that your vote had the reasoning to make it a serious vote that made it interesting, I could've believed that you decided to toss what amounted to an RVS vote late, you're new enough to potentially make that error. What I can't believe is that it'd both be phrased as a serious vote and be well after RVS, and still be intended as an RVS vote.

Yes, RVS votes and posts can and do have a purpose, but in order to work they have to be off the cuff. You've done this in RVS before, why not this game?


Actually, think I'll ask RR about RVS theory, because I'm interested in whether he actually understands the phase.

I'm . . . so confused. Didn't Kantrip add that stuff about it also being a pressure vote or whatever after his 38? So where is this reasoning coming in in relation to the original vote?


And yes, I do think I know why you voted. You made it quite obvious in your post. A "lets policy lynch soup" post, while meh, isn't as horribly scummy as your attempt to back out of it was. That's why it wasn't so much your initial post that drew my attention as your 38.

So far I like Swiss, his questions seem legit and like they have good intent behind them. Soup on his own seems like he's trying really hard not to play like he usually does. The interactions with Swiss don't seem genuine to me, but I honestly can't tell if its Soup trying to challenge the biggest name in the game to establish himself or if its just this new playstyle. I want to see Soup's interactions with other people; honestly his answer to my question seemed much more genuine than his interactions with Swiss, so that leaves Soup as null and Swiss leaning town.

Would you mind explaining why Soup's interractions with Swiss don't look genuine?

Stop posting i can't control my OCD.

@Asdioh, it was only an opinion, i stated that i was starting to like it but nowhere where i said i was going to use it, i assumed swiss would do this for me, and lo and behold he did.

I honestly think Kantrip is town.

holy ****, shocker.

his reasoning makes sense, you could call it defensive or you can look at it in another way, his intent matches up with his claims, it did seem like a pressure vote and his followed up posts also seemed to be on that same subject, it didn't feel defensive to me at all.

i disagree on your Swiss/Sokr right now, i think Sokr just unvoted because he had second-thoughts, i don't think it's more complicated than it needs to be.

Asdioh being obv-town again.jpg

Cool so you'll probably town. I hope. Don't betray me again like you did in HP mafia.

Red Ryu, I mentioned that I wanted you to talk. And I was serious.

I can agree with that Kantrip is looking too flustered and is responding as such. Doesn't look like town Kantrip to me right now.

Why him specifically if I may ask? A lot of people haven't talked. Also, why no vote on Kantrip after stating suspicion on him?

posts by felipe July, Asdioh, and Skor (sorry if I missed someone) saying that Kantrip is scummy for being defensive.

What's so scummy about this, all of you? If someone attacks you, then it's only a natural to be defensive.

Felipe gets a little bit of a free pass, since I know he's sheeped lynches wagons before for poor reasoning. Skor, I'll like you to elaborate more into your 104, as it's really vague.

Everyone else, you guys should know better.

Sokr is interesting.

So Sokr what experience, exactly, do you have?

Skimmed the thread this morning before the gym, but am at work now and will comment this evening GMT.

Don't be vague about it, explain why you think he's interesting.

I seen you lurk the thread and enter it about 3-4 times now, i was curious and worried about it because i would assume town RR would instantly come in the thread with something, your passive play (only by hypothesis) seemed like you had something on your mind but couldn't say it.

i voted you to see if you would come out of the wood-work.

Everybody stop voting Kantrip. the interaction between Adum v. Kantrip is iherently TvT, if another vote goes on Kantrip, you are scum.

Prior to this, i am curious and also worried about felipe, instantly jumping on Kantrip for no reason whatsoever, using poor statements as "Dat OMGUS."

@everyone give me your read on felipe, don't bull**** it.

Oh true about RR?

fos: RR

Just in general constantly checking the thread kinda strikes as cautious play.

What is it that "inherently" makes Adumb vs. Kantrip TvT? I'm mainly concerned about the word "inherently" here, btw.

Right now I have Felipe as null. I agree with you that his reasoning for jumping onto Kantrip is week and sheepish, but I've seen that out of him before in Higurashi. I think it may very well just be him being a bad player tbh.

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Okay, so so far I'm okay (as in all slight town leans) with Soup, Kantrip, Asdioh. Slightly less okay with dumb, but I can see the town intent in his tunneling. Like, he's actually trying to scumhunt which is a good thing. He really need to explain the above to me though.

Wrt Skor, if anything, I'll just use the logic that, if Adumb is town, then I can more comfortably trust my lean on him. If Adumb is scum calling Skor town, then he's probably doing it for brownie points. In either case, Skor is looking more townie at the end of this.

Everything Kantrip has done seems to line up with what I would expect someone in his place to do as town. The things he has been accused of our really just anti-town.

Pretty much everyone else in inactive or null to me. I am agreeing with Asdioh that Tery can be a slight scum read, just because he hasn't done anything with the posts he has made, as I haven't really even seen the effort.

That's all I got on him though, and a vote on him for just that would be so weak . . . meh. So I won't vote, but I will . . .

Fos: Tery

I have some other stuff, but I'll like people to respond to my stuff first before I give the stance out.

However, what I will say is that pretty much everyone who I have not identified as town yet will be up to consideration as a lynch.

@Swiss: Read on Adumb?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm good with what I've seen from Red Ryu. Unvote

Comments after class.

 

[Sokr]

You should have some more confidence imo.

Nothing is wrong with being a newb take it as a learning experience each step at a time, I did the same a year ago.

What do you think of Soup and Kantrip?

Soup seems town to me and Kantrip I've got a slight scum read on.

What do you think about Swiss and Adumb? I'm not sure what to make of them. (Anyone feel free to answer this)

 

[felipe_9595]

Sword, Making a Wall of text = Good reasons. Pretty much the argument of the people who is voting for Kantrip is that him is being way too defensive. I Said that, but in 3 lines. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Swiss is null, as he should be. He hasn't really done too much, after all.

I'll rather you think about adumb yourself if you don't have a read on him.

Also please read my last post, if you haven't already. I wqant you to elaborate on your 104 if you'll please.

@Tery: Actually, I'll hold you to giving out those comments.

vote: Tery

I feel naked without my vote somewhere.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sword, Making a Wall of text = Good reasons. Pretty much the argument of the people who is voting for Kantrip is that him is being way too defensive. I Said that, but in 3 lines. Do you have a problem with that?

Yes I do, because I don't know why you think that's scummy. Why was a scum Kantrip being overly defensive? What does being overly defensive have to do with someone's alignment?

 

[July]

I'll explain it more when i have time, i had to sum up a bit in my above post if i ninja'd you.

and okay, does my meta experience with Felipe make you to trust my read on him more?

let's say i think he is scum, does that change your mind, if, at all?

well i just got ninja'd myself, damn shame.

i'm off to work, i'll be back around noon on my break.

Your meta experience with Felipe I will take into consideration, but only as a small factor. If you say he's scum and can give me valid reasons why, I could lean scum from a null read or reinforce a scum read, but it won't change my mind from a town read to a scum read because I'm definitely not that confident in meta, especially meta for someone I've never played with and that comes from a different site.

Soup's answer was good, Tery's was not and is weak at best.

I can agree with that, I want more from Tery and some substantial input on the players active atm. Soup is honestly leaning town for me, he's answering questions pretty well and with some decent reasoning behind them.

Iirc, i posted that before adumb, when i started read Kantrip the first thing that came to mind was "OMGSUS". If he did psot before, it doesnt care, i am not sheeping, i really got that read.

Adum had already started grilling Kantrip by that point, but it really doesn't matter to me at this point, I can believe that you had the same qualms with Kantrip that Adum had and that I had on your own. Has your read on Kantrip changed at all? What are your thoughts on Soup's case for Adum v. Kantrip as TvT?

A smirk tugged at my lips. Indeed, my role PM had said nothing about a "third person" posting restriction.


Looking at July's 117, the thought "What, exactly, are her stances?" snuck it's way into my head. I frowned slightly.


Creepy.

I've been getting there :D Town leans on Soup, Swords, and yourself. Cautiously town leans on Swiss and Adum. Felipe and Sokr null. Kantrip and Tery leaning scum, and Tery never answered my question in my #117. Anyone else is null/didn't leave an impression on me yet.

 

[JTB]

welp, 5 pages already

reading

 

[July]

@Swords: I am slowly reading through your post lol O_O

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Thus the cookie crumbles once more.


@Swords yes, i did word that weridly didn't i.

I cannot see Adum or Kantrip being both scum, and since i think they're both town, i'm willing to put that's the truth of the matter.

for stated reasons, Adum is playing much like MMX, call it meta but there is also adum giving actual content and pressure rather than sitting in the sidelines, i see a townie adum and his case on Kantrip seemed fairly true.

People seem to disagree with me (but besides you swords) that Kantrip is town, for stated reasons.

that's about it for that.

right now, i'm waiting for RR.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

'm not sure how i feel about all of these null reads on Felipe, i understand that he's a bad player and he's a problem to read at times, but is there anything you can nitpick?

i would suggest either a vig/copping if we're just going to ignore him.

 

[JTB]

27[/URL], I fully expect you to be questioning felipe occasionally.


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Getting one of the two of us (adumb and swiss) copped n1 is a good idea though assuming the setup has cop.

If Adumb flips scum, I will be looking to Swiss as godfather if adumb doesn't flip as such.


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Sokr.

let me level with you.

don't try to out-play and catch a person off-guard by being quiet about your motives, it doesn't help and you need to let people know what you are doing, if you truly believe Swiss is scum, explain it to us.

this is a team game and we need to work as a team, like i said, unless you have some devious plan or something, you need to be more open.

i agree with Adum that Sokr is town, he is reminding me of myself back then.

Holy ****, disagree with this entirely. You don't need to let people know what you are doing if you know that you will get results that benefit town. Why are you trying to intimidate Sokr by forcing him to play a way that is less likely to find scum?


Up to page 3, there is a lot more content than I expected. Have to get ready for work now though.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

His reasoning made no sense as to why he put his vote on Swiss, he just said "would be interesting" or something along the lines of that, and i have STILL yet to see any action of Sokr at all.

him being quiet doesn't help him, and it doesn't help us, if he is really a newbie then he should be questioning his reads more rather than sitting back waiting for something to happen.

and i don't see how that is going to help us find scum any less?

this is a weird and very bold statement JTB, almost puzzled.

how can one find scum if they don't give leads to where scum is?

i didn't see Sokr doing much with his vote and as it shown he instantly un-voted swiss, so far he has been obv-town for these reasons, as he likely doubted his vote in the first place.

right now, where his vote is, makes sense from also a noob-townie perspective.

 

[July]

Would you mind explaining why Soup's interractions with Swiss don't look genuine?

Sure, his first couple of posts back and forth with Swiss are here:

actually, i'm intrigued swiss.

you're just a very intriguing person.

now that you have set your authority over everyone, what shall you do with it?

what if someone were to go against your orders?

surely you are the king and we are nay peasants, as a peasant myself, what will you do for us and what will happen if we don't agree?

oh cool ninja

It seemed to me that this post was less to actually get an answer to these questions, but just to put himself in dialogue with Swiss. I don't think that Soup got anything useful from Swiss's responses to these, but it did help establish Soup as a major presence in this game from the get-go, which isn't really scummy, he seems like he's been trying to use that presence to scumhunt and get info, but I still think he was really concerned with the answers to those questions.

I'm not saying you're inexperienced, i'm just worried or want to know you better, leading by some people can be easily seen as town, but if i knew your motives behind your words it would help.

no doubt, you are good at leading town, but heed what i said above. So far i think your questions are fairly good and will lead to some discussion, and as long as i think you're town i will have no problem listening to you.

but that's yet to be decided.

And most of this just seemed fluffy to me; the main point of this is that we should be wary of blindly following Swiss until knowing his intent/motivation, which is true but obvious imo.

What's so scummy about this, all of you? If someone attacks you, then it's only a natural to be defensive.

Felipe gets a little bit of a free pass, since I know he's sheeped lynches wagons before for poor reasoning. Skor, I'll like you to elaborate more into your 104, as it's really vague.

Everyone else, you guys should know better.

I'm still trying to understand Kantrip's intent; his response to Adum was as if his accusations against him were scummy, whereas I think Adum had a good reason to pressure Kantrip and that even if he is wrong, its not scummy for him to pressure Kantrip for what could be an inconsistency in his reasoning this early in the game. Also I don't want to underestimate Kantrip, he played really in Awkward Moments Mafia and took very little pressure for anything that game, so I don't mind seeing him pressured or keeping an eye on him to make sure he is scumhunting.

'm not sure how i feel about all of these null reads on Felipe, i understand that he's a bad player and he's a problem to read at times, but is there anything you can nitpick?

i would suggest either a vig/copping if we're just going to ignore him.

It seems like Felipe is a distraction for you, but at this point it's only a couple days into the game. I don't see any way that nitpicking would be a good strategy or would provide a "more" accurate read on Felipe atm. It's not ignoring him, at least not for me, I want to see him scumhunt, interact, and see where his pushes go and see if I can get an idea of his intent from that. Thus far nothing he's done really looks scum or town motivated, I liked the oomph with which he defended himself against sheeping but I don't know that oomph really affects anything.

 

[Swiss]

Here for awhile, and I'm confused as to why Soup isn't lynched yet.

Looking forward to a full analysis of why you dislike soup.

I'm probably going to just ask questions and stuff. Generally do things that will force information out. Unless I find someone who is legitimately suspicious, when you know, I'm going to murder them.

I'll overlook your vig crumb, but others may not.

Hey Swiss, I'm nobody. Yet. I have yet to establish a name for myself so even I don't know who I am when it comes to this. My first impressions are that you have the potential to either be the biggest threat in this game or someone to follow warily. You're bold statements that you've already made and I'm sure you'll make in the future are almost sure to produce a slip up from someone caving under the stress. I can already see I'll have fun watching your gameplay and trying to read you.

Suspicion raised in my eyes.

I feel as if I know you. I do not trust you an inch. But surely, you would have created an alias before the role PM's - should I not take this as null? Discuss.

I find it odd you have come into the game so strongly, yet were unaware you had bold to vote. Did you not read the rules? You've read everything else. Why would you skim so?

Asdioh is town.

July leans town, FYI.

Felipe is town.

Kantrip null, Soup null. Dislike Adum.

Kantrip leans scum #83

Dislike Soup switching to Kantrip town, seems like he wants townie points for calling a townie.

Adum you're staying too far back for my liking. Get involved, stuck in.

Why do you assume my vote on Red Ryu was random. I want him to talk. I can't want him to talk?

Defensive post is defensive. Where's your content?

Inactive, I knew it. Replace out..Unless you're admitting to lurking.

Adum back to null #98

Regardless of how much Kantrip is posting I find his posts useless and uninformative.

Actually I mis-read the first line of your #112. So I suppose you're not agreeing that my vote was RVS then. I still don't know what you think my intent was in that case. The reason I find you scummy right now is for your tunneling on me while basically ignoring every other player who did the same thing you questioned me for. I mean, that on its own is fine. What I didn't like is that when I brought it to your attention that that is what you were doing you acted like you forgot to ask questions of those people as well.

I like this

Scrap whatever I said about him. Null.

Adum town.

Adum, how convinced are you of your Kantrip case? I need a 100% honest answer. Because he's town.

I seen you lurk the thread and enter it about 3-4 times now, i was curious and worried about it because i would assume town RR would instantly come in the thread with something, your passive play (only by hypothesis) seemed like you had something on your mind but couldn't say it.

i voted you to see if you would come out of the wood-work.

Everybody stop voting Kantrip. the interaction between Adum v. Kantrip is iherently TvT, if another vote goes on Kantrip, you are scum.

Prior to this, i am curious and also worried about felipe, instantly jumping on Kantrip for no reason whatsoever, using poor statements as "Dat OMGUS."

@everyone give me your read on felipe, don't bull**** it.

Gah.

Bringing out more dislike. You're right, but playing Kantrip's saviour imo.

I would tell you to look through past mafia games and try to find me. I'm not gonna waste my efforts in this trying to prove I'm a newb. it would be of no benefit to me. However, I'm sure my gameplay will prove it enough for me.

Nice, safe answer.

So uhh.

I'm pretty sure the game being so late to start was my fault, sorry 'bout that. Was at a fireworks night party, didn't get back until late last night.

I've skimmed the thread, let's see...


Kantrip Vs. Adum. I mean, Adum looks better out of the argument but only marginally. Kantrip's responses have been defensive but I wouldn't say that's a scumtell at all. Buuuuut a lot of his reponses seem unfocused and just a lot of questions. On the other hand I've liked Adum's pressure up until the self-meta point. I think at that point the argument just got silly.


I think Soup's statement that the Kantrip/Adum argument is inherently TvT is wack as hell but I do agree that looking at other players besides them would be good.


@Sokr Is defensiveness a scumtell? When you say something smells scummy behind Kantrip's actions do you have any reason for that or is it purely "gut"?

@Asdioh Asdeeeohhh. Your writing style is so confusing now .__. Your rherotical questioning makes it hard to tell if you're actually wanting someone to respond to a question or not.

What's your current reads on Tery and Felipe?

In your #81 you seem to have suspicions of Soup but you don't ask him any questions to follow up those suspicions. Ask them please.

Scum.

This is legit and not fake pressure. Before I explain why (which I will or lynch me), tell me why you think i now have you pegged as scum.

I agree swiss, he is interesting.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Was I?

Lol Asdioh.

Nah Soup town. Had that wrong, Sorry.

@ Swords I missed that on Adum.

You've achieved very similar reads to mine. You're town. Still pegging Adum as town, if I had to call it. My hand is here to hold whenever you get a solid on me.

Yes July. Come aboard the town train.

If Adumb flips scum, I will be looking to Swiss as godfather if adumb doesn't flip as such.

Reads as "If Adum is scum, I want to lynch Swiss regardless of his cop alignment (Guilty = Scum = lynch me. Ino = GF = lynch me).


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Would lynch RR, Tery, Seikend, JTB.

Town = Felipe, Asdioh, July, Soup, Adum (at a pinch)

Vote RR

There. That's 10 of 13 players pinned. Let's assume the other 3 must be town, whoever they are, and win asap.

 

[felipe_9595]

Obviusly sword, Imo, if a person si way to defensive, it means it haves something to hide.

 

[felipe_9595]

*If a person is way too

 

[adumbrodeus]

Really? This definitely seems to be strong, even more so than Soup's town read on Felipe. I don't necessarily disagree with a slight town lean at this point, but does his one case really warrant an "absolute town" read on him? That definitely seems preemptive.

Also keep in mind that he doesn't necessarily know how good Swiss is, instead only that Swiss paints himself as a good player.

Ok, I'll grant you that it's possible that Sokr is actually a skilled experienced player and pulling the same stuff OS did in TMNT and it is one possible caveat that's possible even at a low level of play, but both are extremely unlikely, so I'm very comfortable with my town read.

Also, Swiss' actual skill level is irrelevant, the fact that he at that point was incredibly visible and dominated the conversations and tenor of the game is. The visibility that attacking swiss gave him is the main point of why it's so townie, not what swiss could do in return.

If there is anything actually suspicious of you, I think it's mostly how you later go on to make a big deal about how you and him have different views on RVS, like you're immediately trying to pass off his case against you as a simple misunderstanding, rather it is actually that or not.

That said, I don't really find you suspicious, just clarifying my thoughts on this situation.

... So wishy-washy. Don't like this post at all.

Your original reasoning for voting Kantrip doesn't really seem to line up with what you say later on. You seem to be voting Kantrip here because he made a RVS vote after RVS, and you don't believe that that is an honest mistake. However . . .



I'm . . . so confused. Didn't Kantrip add that stuff about it also being a pressure vote or whatever after his 38? So where is this reasoning coming in in relation to the original vote?

How so? I said his justification didn't ring true. The justification being that it was an RVS vote. Maybe I didn't make this clear initially but I certainly clarified it later.

Cool so you'll probably town. I hope. Don't betray me again like you did in HP mafia.

Again, wishy washy.

What's so scummy about this, all of you? If someone attacks you, then it's only a natural to be defensive.

Felipe gets a little bit of a free pass, since I know he's sheeped lynches wagons before for poor reasoning. Skor, I'll like you to elaborate more into your 104, as it's really vague.

Everyone else, you guys should know better.

Ok, let me ask you, what precisely are you pointing to here? Cite posts.

Oh true about RR?

fos: RR

Just in general constantly checking the thread kinda strikes as cautious play.

What is it that "inherently" makes Adumb vs. Kantrip TvT? I'm mainly concerned about the word "inherently" here, btw.

Right now I have Felipe as null. I agree with you that his reasoning for jumping onto Kantrip is week and sheepish, but I've seen that out of him before in Higurashi. I think it may very well just be him being a bad player tbh.

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Okay, so so far I'm okay (as in all slight town leans) with Soup, Kantrip, Asdioh. Slightly less okay with dumb, but I can see the town intent in his tunneling. Like, he's actually trying to scumhunt which is a good thing. He really need to explain the above to me though.

Wrt Skor, if anything, I'll just use the logic that, if Adumb is town, then I can more comfortably trust my lean on him. If Adumb is scum calling Skor town, then he's probably doing it for brownie points. In either case, Skor is looking more townie at the end of this.

Everything Kantrip has done seems to line up with what I would expect someone in his place to do as town. The things he has been accused of our really just anti-town.

Pretty much everyone else in inactive or null to me. I am agreeing with Asdioh that Tery can be a slight scum read, just because he hasn't done anything with the posts he has made, as I haven't really even seen the effort.

That's all I got on him though, and a vote on him for just that would be so weak . . . meh. So I won't vote, but I will . . .

Fos: Tery

I have some other stuff, but I'll like people to respond to my stuff first before I give the stance out.

However, what I will say is that pretty much everyone who I have not identified as town yet will be up to consideration as a lynch.

@Swiss: Read on Adumb?

Why you FOSing, but placing no votes?


Swords, who are your scumreads?


@swiss: Care to explain why Kantrip is town?


@JTB: Still waiting on that info dump.

 

[Swiss]

Yeah, give me 40/50 mins. LoL just started.

 

[July]

@Asdioh: Thoughts on JTB and the point that Swiss made about his Adum/Swiss connection?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Suddenly, i feel happy.

like a over-sensation of joy has just lightened the whole day for me

"Swiss is town."

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm good with what I've seen from Red Ryu. Unvote

Comments after class.

Could you describe more of what made you like my posts in particular.

 

[Asdioh]

Suddenly, i feel happy.

like a over-sensation of joy has just lightened the whole day for me

"Swiss is town."

Suddenly, a revelation hit me. "I don't really know what scumSwiss looks like, aside from back in Dissidia..."

@Asdioh: Thoughts on JTB and the point that Swiss made about his Adum/Swiss connection?

I put my hand on her shoulder. "Patience," I said quietly, whilst cautiously eying JTB.
I then jerked my hand away, and eyed her cautiously too, because she's freaking July.


The next thought on my mind was a question directed at Swiss. "What about Kantrip's #83 gives you scumvibes, and what about his #115 gives you townvibes?" I asked curiously.

 

[Swiss]

Actually I mis-read the first line of your #112. So I suppose you're not agreeing that my vote was RVS then. I still don't know what you think my intent was in that case. The reason I find you scummy right now is for your tunneling on me while basically ignoring every other player who did the same thing you questioned me for. I mean, that on its own is fine. What I didn't like is that when I brought it to your attention that that is what you were doing you acted like you forgot to ask questions of those people as well.

I take this as a town tell, his thought process is clear and honest. Instead of being aggressive, or defensive, he's realistic and honest. The majority of his posts have been bland to me, and I do not think he is an asset to town. But town he is.
Adum I agree the way he reacted early game may not look perfect, but can you show me where exactly you see the intent, not just words to affect 'scum play'.

Oh hey Asdioh, there you are

I agree with what you said about a Swiss/Sokr scumteam.

Tell me, what about what I said raised flags to you? Could you point it out and explain why, please?

What I get from your interpretation is that you think Sword was seriously suggesting we policy lynch Soup. Is this correct? From there, you assume that not only was Sword suggesting a quick lynch on Soup, but I was agreeing with it.

I took this as scummy because it came across as opportunistic (Sokr/Swiss scum team). His wording to you was buddying in nature (if not intent), he did not need to be 'pleased' to see you and agreed with you.

Now, a curious player might ask why I didn't call you (Asdioh, IIRC) out on the Swiss / Sokr scum team scenario. That's because it wasn't the scenario itself I found unlikely, it was his opportunism I found scummy.

Tell me, what do you think of RR?

 

[Swiss]

Suddenly, i feel happy.

like a over-sensation of joy has just lightened the whole day for me

"Swiss is town."

And so the peasants rejoiced.

 

[felipe_9595]

'm not sure how i feel about all of these null reads on Felipe, i understand that he's a bad player and he's a problem to read at times, but is there anything you can nitpick?

i would suggest either a vig/copping if we're just going to ignore him.

Go die in a hole. A deep one please.

 

[Swiss]

Suddenly, a revelation hit me. "I don't really know what scumSwiss looks like, aside from back in Dissidia..."

ScumSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him time to lead enough mislynches and post-flip-reads that town can never recover - so he wins the game.

TownSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him the time to destroy scum as they hesisate in their NK's and whether to day-focus him - so he wins the game

On another note, Dissidia was a work of art and I openly encourage players to read that. Understanding what RadFic (my hydra) did to win by brash, arrogant manipulation coupled with perfect scumhunting will help you understand how not to get 'played'.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

@Tery's #097: Hey Kantrip, I never saw your response or even acknowledging of this. By now it's irrelevant I suppose, but.

@Kantrip's #110: You are playing much more defensively and on the backside this game compared to, say, Newbie 14 or Housepets. Need I say more? It's not indicative of alignment just yet, but it's a difference definitely worth noting.

For Adumbrodeus vs. Kantrip on page 3, I can see Adumb as town and Kantrip as null at the most.

@Soupamario's #132: Felipe is currently null, for posts / reasons I will address later.

@Red Ryu #139: Lol, if you think nobody else but Soupamario saw you viewing the thread multiple times, I have nothing to say.

@Asdioh: Why are you posting in this manner? IIRC you said it was not a restriction. For example, in #160, you toss in some fluff ("the poster of Asianpeopledoingstuff gifs") with your read, which makes reading you more difficult since you're just being silly.

@Sokr's #166: Oh boy, time to ask this question again: at what determining point is the difference between "safely defensive" and "overly defensive" defined? Are overly defensive people revealing their alignment with said behavior? You seem to think that being too defensive means they're scum.

@Felipe: You've been very different this game. You've been throwing your vote around and making rather questionable (if not completely unnecessary) posts such as #170. When you were scum in Newbie 14, you managed to work with town and blended in, the complete opposite of what you're doing here. I don't know if it's because certain slots are being aggressive on you, or you're too anxious, but I'll be watching carefully to see when you dip past being null and into something else.

@Sworddancer's #172: I've had "complications" whenever I play with Red Ryu, usually because I don't pay attention to him from the get-go, so I wanted to change that with this game. I understand people like JTB were also yet to post, but to me Red Ryu was more pressing. Meanwhile, I explained what I thought about Kantrip earlier. I didn't register his content as needing a vote, but it's noteworthy. Other than that, I like your stuff.

@Felipe's #175: Really, Felipe?

Felipe / Sworddancer exchange tells me NvT at best.

@Soupamario's #182: You should take into consideration my comments on Felipe, then. Maybe skim Newbie 14 if you want to see Felipe's play there?

@Swiss' #186: Really now. Questioning the vailidty of another's comment is considered defensive? Tell me how that works. If this is true, then pretty much everyone has been defensive thus far. And with that I'd just redirect you to the "defensiveness vs. alignment" question I asked Sokr earlier. Speaking of stuff I said earlier, I can only be as active as campus Internet allows me. In fact, it takes me about 5 minutes to load SWF's main index nowadays, so I really don't care if you think I'm just inactive or lurking. I'm here, and just having a painful time with this awful campus Internet.

@Felipe's #187: Explain what happens to power roles who are then placed in bad situations and pressured on. I know asking for previous experience won't work, so this is theoretical.

@Red Ryu's #193: The way you post seems more legit to me than say, in Housepets. Also, I liked your answers regarding RVS.

@Felipe's #197: Are you giving up already?

I think it took me about half an hour to actually read through said posts. Thanks, Internet, you're the best.

Spoiler

Go **** yourself.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

ScumSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him time to lead enough mislynches and post-flip-reads that town can never recover - so he wins the game.

TownSwiss looks smart, brutal and efficient. He draws you in with subtle reads tailored to your tastes. Simultaneously, he creates dissent amongst others, casting doubt on his alignment while you become a stern, devout follower, giving him the time to destroy scum as they hesisate in their NK's and whether to day-focus him - so he wins the game

On another note, Dissidia was a work of art and I openly encourage players to read that. Understanding what RadFic (my hydra) did to win by brash, arrogant manipulation coupled with perfect scumhunting will help you understand how not to get 'played'.

Are you telling me we should treat you like a null read if neither are a determinant for alignment?