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Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

#HBC | ѕoup

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No, stop.

You don't need to look at so many things sometimes, sokr has been very townie and his flips of reads show it, he's concerned about swiss because he's an omnious player and figure, he has felipe as scum also because he is a hard to read player.

He doesn't show a 'contradiction' he shows an honest yet noob logic.
 

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Ugh Soupa.... At least you didn't ruin it and chose to say that after I had gotten what I needed to.

Sokr is town.

Sokr invisible mode is when your name doesn't show up at the bottom. It's a check box setting in your Control Panel. You don't need to change it, that wasn't the point.

Unvote
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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If you want, you can explain it more thoroughly.

I don't have time and I'm hoping to stop the quick posts because they're sloppy and there is so much more I want to say..
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Oh ninja.

Christ.

I will I promise, I don't wanna just quick post a vauge response, because if I go into felipe I'm going to go into other players also, I hope to have a case and a indepth read analysis by friday, as mentioned.
 

Sokr

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Ugh Soupa.... At least you didn't ruin it and chose to say that after I had gotten what I needed to.

Sokr is town.

Sokr invisible mode is when your name doesn't show up at the bottom. It's a check box setting in your Control Panel. You don't need to change it, that wasn't the point.

Unvote
May I inquire in to what you needed to get?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Quick answer: a dash of meta and his sporadic and chaotic play, he has many interactions with people and he isn't as cautious, you can tell he means what he says, he just doesn't say it right and can't explain it well, so it causes for people to read him wrongly.

You need to look at intent for a player like felipe, not what he is posting in context.

That's the quick answer.
 

Sokr

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@Kantrip:

Thought so. So is my suck-up/bandwagoner observation making sense now?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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What does felipe as scum have to gain quickvoting and sheeping two open wagons now?

He did it with you, he just did it with sokr, he's a heat of the moment player who can be emotional.
 

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Nop. Still not, i had a scummy read on you ( and i still have it) since many pages ago, but i dont like to leave a vote first because i am really talented in ****ing my own arguments with bad wording >_>
 

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What does felipe as scum have to gain quickvoting and sheeping two open wagons now?

He did it with you, he just did it with sokr, he's a heat of the moment player who can be emotional.
It's something to make him look active so people don't claim inactivity on him.
 

Sokr

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Nop. Still not, i had a scummy read on you ( and i still have it) since many pages ago, but i dont like to leave a vote first because i am really talented in ****ing my own arguments with bad wording >_>
Me too as you may have noticed ;)
 

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I got a town read on him, Soup.

His actions reminded me of Awkward Moments when I was able to get him to place his vote and set us up for an alpha strike really easily. His intent screams town to me. He didn't vote when I asked him why he wasn't voting, but when I placed my vote down he did as well. This is consistent from what I expected of town felipe and I think my read in that regard is more solid now.

@Sokr: Bandwagoning? Yes. Suck-up? No. And felipe bandwagoning is a null tell at worst.
 

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1 post aboves, wut????? Nobody heres is willing to lynch an inactive,there is nothing to gain, is better to lynch a scummy rather than an inactive.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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That's just assumption and FuD sokr.

I'm reading you as an analytical yet nervous player, this is your first time playing and you're definetly playing in your comfort zone.

I won't steal kantrips thunder, but I will address it.
 

Sokr

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*sigh* I feel incredibly stupid and I'm sure you all know what I'm gonna ask but... FuD? What does it mean?
 

Kantrip

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I actually don't know that one either.

Sokr, I'm really happy to see you putting yourself out there. All I ask is that when you read things, think about the intentions behind it; ask yourself why the player would take the actions they did as either alignment.
 

Sokr

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I've changed my read of Soup to town. His reads look extremely well done and (from what I can tell) accurate. The reason I put this as town is because he doesn't seem to be trying to throw off reads or anything and to be making legitamit reads.
 

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scrutinizing this game like a mad man, I'm only up to post 59 after reading for an entire hour, so I'll see how far I can get tonight.
 

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Let's see how far I get before I pass out. Should be able to hit everything with music blasting and a rush from winning in league so much.


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July, why do you agree with Swiss in your 19? Do you believe his plan is failsafe and if not, what flaws do you see in it?


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Soup's 27 is a good post to keep an eye on. While it can be Soup actually trying to use his background in EM to read felipe, it's also possible he could also use it to set up felipe as a mislynch in the future since I don't think anyone besides those two have experience in that setting.

Also, no one besides felipe can confirm or deny that Soup actually knows felipe's meta (which I believe felipe already denied playing with Soup in EM), so take what he says wrt to felipe with a grain of salt.


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This. However, for day one I prefer to have a slight variation on this. Day 1 lynches are best spent on players with lots of connections to other players we can read into and they also happen to look scummy. Even if they are not the most scummy player, getting clears/condemns Day 1 can be more vital than a super scummy player without connections. Do you agree with this?
Pointing out that this corresponds with Kantrips town play in Housepets mafia, which was only a few weeks ago.


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I think you're being too worrysome, i find this townie especially since Swiss gave such a vibe to you. I don't think you need to worry about swiss and you need to give him more time to explain himself, while swiss is a bit demanding and somewhat stuck-up/tries to lead he shouldn't be a problem.

got any other reads Sokr?
From this post, I gather Soup has a town read on Swiss. Unsure how I feel about this after Soup buddying Swiss so much in D1 HP Mafia.

/meta


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Adumb's reasoning for Sokr town in 59 is something I can agree with, as far as a new scum player not standing up to a power player like Swiss. However, the last part of his reasoning doesn't sit well with me.
To say that only confident and good scum would initiate against Swiss makes me feel like you are trying to scare players into not questioning Swiss for fear of a scum read.

Adumb, is it possible that Sokr vs Swiss could be SvS? Explained in a later post.

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Kantrip's 72 and 61 contradict each other. One post says the Soup vote was a RVS vote and the other says it was a pressure vote. These are not the same thing .

77 is even more strange. You state that your vote was a RVS vote that would apply pressure to Soup, but you did not expect Soup to respond to the pressure. You are flip-flopping in your reasoning for voting Soup. Then your 'town-read' on Soup is tacked on without any explanation.


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I like Asdioh from his 81 since my thoughts seem to line up with his.


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I can't agree with Soup's 84 wrt to Kantrip because upon reading Kantrip's vote on Soup, it honestly felt just like a RVS vote with no real intent behind it.


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Ending tonight with Adumb's 95 as I feel it's a good place to stop and be able to answer his question about Kantrip's RVS behaviors in the droom games.

In the last DRoom game we played, I faked a daycop guilty on a player literally right as the game started, spawning 3 pages of content before Kantrip posted once. And his first post was still a RVS post influenced by everything I caused.

Here's the exact quote from the game:

What's going on in this ga-

Wow.

Deja-vu.

Vote: John2k4

Hey buddy.
I'll go searching for the other game another time since I'm tired as well. What do you gain from this information?
 

JTB

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Perhaps it's just a matter of opinion then.

Second point in that section still stands though.
 

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Yeah I said the response I got was unexpected, NOT that I didn't expect a response.

I was not expecting Soup to take the vote with the intention of lynching him behind it. I mean, he literally said I was being dumb and why would we policy lynch him.

Just out of curiosity, who feels comfortable reading Soup out of the people in this game? I know Sword has said he has some meta, does anyone else feel confident in their ability to read Soup?
 

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Takicodos
1. adumbrodeus (1) RR
2. Seikend ()
3. Terywj (1) Sworddancer
4. Sokr (2) JTB, Felipe
5. Kantrip (1) adumbrodeus
6. Sworddancer. ()
7. JTB (1) Asdioh
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario (1) Gova
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) Soup, Swiss

Not voting - Seikend, July, Sokr, Tery, Kantrip
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Swiss said:
Hey, Swords. What's up? What's up with that? You know, that line. Nestled in amongst your townie post is that rotten apple. Just admit you're vig and we can move on. Everyone else already knows it.
I'm not the vig though, I swear it.

Swiss, what are you getting at here? There's no way you can seriously think I'm the vig, or else you wouldn't of called it out.
Swiss said:
[Removed post to Adum, remind me to post this later]
Consider yourself reminded.

Sword said:
@ Swords - Tery town. He was too relaxed about his death. Not a "Fine, kill me if you want". It was "I do not understand how this is not beneficial". The level of smarts to pull that AtE with that precision escape Tery with ease.
I would usually be perfectly willing to believe this if it wasn't for the fact that Tery has actually done this in another game as scum before. We shouldn't underestimate his intelligence.

In any case, I want Tery to place his vote somewhere. He has been too cautious with doing so, so he needs to take a solid stance.

JTB I need that read list from you pretty badly. It will help my read on everyone if you can give that to me soon, like today, and you at the very least owe us that much.

I'm leaving right now, no time to comment on the recent Sokr thing. I'll be back tonight, if JTB hasn't provided at least some reads by the time I get back then I'm going to just assume he's stalling.
 

Sokr

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@Swiss
If you were town and seriously thought he was vig, why point it out? Presenting such a target to the scum? I can only think of one reason why you would do that as town and if it was true, then I would be extremely impressed and have a role suspicion on you. Also, after doing some rereading of your posts, I determined that my scum read on you was from intimidation. Until Sword raised my attention about that post. Speaking of rotten apples...

:phone:
 

JTB

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Swords, do you seriously think I'm stalling?

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JTB

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And I continue on.

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Tery's 97 is terrible. If you are going to vote someone to 'make them talk', you need to do something to actually get them to talk like ask questions or make your vote seem serious. Just throwing a vote on someone and waiting on them is the same as faking content.

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I disagree with Felipe's reasoning for jumping Kantrip in his 104. I don't see him being defensive at all, I see him taking apart Adumb's argument and responding as such. The vote on Adumb, as bad as it is, should prove that Kantrip isn't just trying to save himself but also looking for scum.

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Adumb, I can tell you that Kantrip's 119 does not comply with his RVS vote in the last droom game we were in.

Kantrip, you say at the end of your 129 that you voted a random person (John) that you decided to pursue to get a read on. You did not pursue John at all after re-reading D1 in that game, meaning your vote was indeed random and served no purpose.

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RR, wrt to your 168, what did my activity have to do with your RVS vote on Adumb?

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Up to post 241. I'll be back after work again.
 

Kantrip

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JTB is still null because his analyses are pretty basic and I can't get much out of them, but I appreciate it. I'll have an opinion when I see his reads.

@JTB, I would say I did follow up on my vote on John. It was RvS because the target was random (same as this game with soup), but it served the purpose of pressure.
 
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