Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[JTB]

I'll see if I can finish everything tonight once I get back from work, but don't expect me to be around much this weekend.

skyrim/work/league of legends tournament

 

[felipe_9595]

Lol !!! Play lol!!! Lol!!!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Vote: Felipe

Comfortable with this ATM. I've missed but will be around tonight(?).

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (1) RR
2. Seikend ()
3. Terywj (1) Sworddancer
4. Sokr (2) Felipe, July
5. Kantrip (1) adumbrodeus
6. Sworddancer. ()
7. JTB (1) Asdioh
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 (1) Tery
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) Soup, Swiss

Not voting - Seikend, Sokr, Kantrip, JTB

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[felipe_9595]

Teryjw, please, elaborate.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Gova, your vote count is all messed up and stuff.

Felipe, your posts are just random and maybe that clashes with what I've missed and need to read but I come view to see "LoL! Play LoL!" and I've a feeling that didn't change.

 

[felipe_9595]

You have missed everything between page 17 and 21 then.

 

[Sokr]

Do we know how many scum there are in this game?

 

[felipe_9595]

nop

10characters

 

[Sokr]

nop

10characters

13

 

[Asdioh]

I glanced at the thread. I looked over the votecount.

I sighed. Someone was needed to lead these people. Would it be me? Did I have the confidence in my scumpicks to lead to victory? I had my doubts.

My eyes darted over to the date: the 10th. The time was come: Skyrim, Destroyer of Mafia Games, was arriving. I prepared myself.

In the meantime, I diverted my attention to Soup and Swiss. "Why are you voting for Red Ruy over Seikend or JTB?" I asked keenly.

 

[Sokr]

does anybody have meta on scumAdumbrodeus?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

uhhhhh . . . RR! RR, what do you think of Kantrip. That;s an issue that I do not believe you've weighed in on. Yeah.

Initially when I read Adumb v Kantrip I thought TvT at first.

Kantrip's later votes and actions have made me reconsider it. It's when he put his vote on Tery I found it to be bleak, I don't know why he would attempt to do that. While I admit he had a reason later, His #290

What I got form this was

• Fluff content which is a null point on Tery
• Tery gave poor responses to Pressure

His #308 gave me a different look at his vote

@Red Ryu, why do you assume my vote is placed on Tery for the intent of lynching him anytime soon? We have a long way to go before we end D1.

So he voted him for pressure, but admits there is no intent to lynch. I would normally assume a vote is placed to express interest of lynching. It can be used for pressure, but the responses before don't give me the indication. If it was for pressure his vote should have been on earlier and not after he made a line of questioning.

Later I get to see a vote from him on another.

I do realize that. My only explanation is: I'm still getting used to all this. Correct me if I'm wrong but mafia can be very flustering when first starting out.

This post is what caused this,

PoE is Process of Elimination.

Sokr is playing the newb card and contradicting himself.

Flustering is indeed the right word, as you have slipped scum.

Unvote

Vote: Sokr

That's not a scum slip, even harder to consider it one with the level of skill we are considering.

Mafia means the game in that sentence, in which he admits mafia is difficult for him at this point. Newb card was indeed dealt, something I don't wanna give him a free pass on, but based on the responses I got earlier, I think it is a far assessment.

Newb scum wants to hide and be out of sight as much as possible while remaining elusive with comments and stances. I'm not getting that impression from Sokr from his posts.

If anything this is telling me Kantrip is placing votes on for little to shady reasons.

Unvote
Vote: Kantrip

I'm seeing opportunistic play from him. And I think it is showing from his votes. Earlier with Adumb v Him, I viewed it as TvT, the only thing I dislike from him was his OMGUS vote on Adumb during it.

His later play is a different story.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

does anybody have meta on scumAdumbrodeus?

Well, in Melee mafia he lurked a lot as Mafia. Gave short concise posts, different from here. This inactivity is from an entirely different issue, personal it seems.

In HunterxHunter he was a Serial killer playing well to lynch scum and hide his identity. Though this one I can't say much since his play as an Indy makes it different play all together. He was very helpful in lynching scum, but he stayed in the middle where others were higher priority, like Hades, and us having a role cop which nailed Tin Man as the cop didn't help.

Otherwise he worked hard with town as a Serial killer.

I'm not getting scumMeta from my past experience.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, do you think Seikand should replace out?

I don't know the full situation he is in other than limited computer time or how much time he devotes to playing, if I knew more about what he does irl I could say but as it stands I can't make a fair answer to this question.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I forgot who asked, and I gotta move out of the library but my order of trust with Adumb, Swiss and Swords is,

Adumb
Swords
Swiss

in that order, top being most trusted and bottom being less trusted.

 

[Sokr]

@everybody

I'm trying to form a read on adumb so any and all metas would be nice.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

JTB, I said that I would assume you were stalling if you didn't give me those reads. I didn't say that I thought you were stalling at the time/

Although I will say that, limited access or not, you've been taking your oh so sweet time to read through this game, especially since your posts are oh so shallow.

I've grown impatient of waiting for that read list. You're reading through at about 100 posts a day, and I don't want to wait another 2-3 days.

unvote vote JTB

I am 70% sure JTB is scum. That's easily my strongest read and I honestly don't think it's likely I'm going to find a stronger scum read toDay, despite how earlier.

Case incoming after this post.

Swiss I don't know which part of my post your referring to when you called me obtuse, but I'm going to assume is the vig thing. I'm not goiong to WIFOM myself about whatever it is your pulling so bleh.

Skor my only scum meta of Adumb is also Melee mafia. It's basically what RR said.

That said, I wouldn't be relaying on meta in the first place.

 

[JTB]

Considering that this game started on the start of a continuous work schedule and my first free day is tomorrow, it's a pretty big stretch to say I'm taking my sweet time going through everything. Just because I don't devote all the free time I have when I'm not at work to playing mafia does not mean I'm not involving myself in this game. And I don't see why you are so impatient when we still have a full week left until the deadline.

Anyways, I'm home now and finishing this before picking up skyrim.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't care about that, I haven't even posted my case yet so you do know what I'm going to say.

I have your case on stand by, but I'll be willing to let you finish your catch up without having to worry about it.

I still want your read list.

 

[JTB]

Sokr, in your 349, you state that you have a null on both Swiss and Adumb. However, in your 353 just a few posts down, you state that Swiss is now a scum read and Adumb is now leaning town.

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Soup, explain to me how RR's 317 can be anything other than a null tell. Do you think if RR was scum, he would try to be demoralizing Tery to push him as a policy lynch?

I do agree with your 315 though.

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Anyways, reads because I feel like I have a strong enough grasp on what's going on.

Town

Asdioh - I've been finding my thoughts aligning with his (aside from his scum read on me of course), so I'm comfortable with him.

Sworddancer - Pretty much the same as Asdioh, his read on Kantrip due to the Adumb vote and Swiss pointing out the 'vig crumb' are things that also came up in my read. I don't agree with the Tery read though, but maybe that's just due to knowing how Tery usually plays.

Sokr - More so null leaning town. I agree with Adumb about Sokr's early 'push' on Swiss as town read, but not convinced he's town just yet.

Null

Tery - While his behavior this game does match that of his town play in his previous games, I have yet to see how he plays as scum as well so I don't really know how to read him yet.

July - Unsure how I feel about her. I would like her to answer my previous questions to her in my 427 and my 345.

felipe - No idea how to read felipe atm. I'll deal with that later.

Kantrip - This isn't so much a null but just a placeholder.

Soup - Placeholder for Soup as well, I want him to answer my questions.

Adumb - Want to see what he plans to do with the RVS information from me about Kantrip first.

Seikend - Nothing to go off on until he posts more.

Scum

Swiss - Nothing has made me feel better about Swiss since his first post. His pointing out a potential vig crumb, his post to RR saying that he should always be read as town, and trying to coerce town into following him/adumb/sword into a lynch. Then his vote on RR that he hasn't actually done anything with or even explained, he just placed it there (not randomly) and ignored it.

RR - More null leaning scummy than actually scum. I don't understand why his RVS vote on Adumb could not be moved until I posted according to his 168, it feels like he was predetermined to vote me but simply waiting on some content to jump on.

Vote: Swiss

Kantrip, wrt to your Housepets mafia vote on John, I want you to describe to me how you followed up on your vote because I don't see it at all.

Soup, I want you to explain your scum read on Seikend because I don't see how he can be anything except null with only 3 posts in the game.

And now I go to get Skyrim. brb never

 

[Asdioh]

And then I suddenly broke free of the posting restriction imposed upon me by Gova's Face!

And now I go to get Skyrim. brb never

lol. Yeah, breaking my posting restriction in case the same thing happens to me and I disappear forever.

Vote: Swiss

What if I told you that, in order to inflate Swiss' ego, I wouldn't lynch him on D1 regardless of my read on him, because it would be a huge waste if it was a mislynch? AKA, who would you prefer to lynch, because a Swiss lynch isn't happening D1 in this game? I assume your vote would then go to RR, but you don't seem very sure of scumpicks, which doesn't make me feel much better about you. I also find it hard to believe you think you would actually get Swiss lynched.


P.S. Soup is town gg

 

[JTB]

So you are asking me to play in a way that doesn't push my own scumreads but instead conform to what town wants me to do. Sorry, but that's not going to fly.

Rather, instead of telling me we shouldn't lynch swiss for fear of a mislynch, you should convince me that he would be a mislynch.

 

[July]

@Mod: I'm voting Sokr

How does my first post relate to d.gray?

/on break at work

I wanted to see if Asdioh saw similarities between your play here and your play there. Your first post is more IIoA (Information instead of Analysis) except for the part about "If Adumb flips scum, I will be looking to Swiss as godfather if adumb doesn't flip as such" seemed like an opportunistic view on things. If Adum and Swiss were scum together, why would Swiss call for a cop of his scummate unprovoked so early on D1? He would literally be setting himself up to lose a scummate and there are enough experienced players in this game that know how good Swiss is that we'd be dumb to just write Swiss off then. Basically I don't think scumSwiss is likely with scumAdum and the way you came to that possibility seems shifty to me.

What about our conversation was asinine? Why?

I played with scumfelipe in the newbie game, and I played with townfelipe in Awkward Moments. I also read through Higurashi in which he had a PR, so I think I have a grasp of the basics of felipe's play in those three positions. The reason I called his behavior out of character is because the hostility was not present in any of the three games. It was something I hadn't really seen from him, and was therefore curious to me, without really leaning in any which direction as far as alignment. His explanation makes sense, of him being easy to anger if provoked, and considering he wasn't provoked in the other games I read of him (iirc), it would explain it.

@July, do you think what Sokr has been doing by providing reads and opinions with no intent to push them is more scummy than newbie then? Do you believe from what you have seen so far that he is capable of more?

Asinine might have been a bit harsh but I was tired so meh. I thought that the battle over people being hostile could have been avoided and should have been because it wasn't useful to scumhunting. As for the hostility and acting out of character, the thing is that first of all, 3 games isn't that many; meta is a *****, even though it can be helpful. Second of all, you have to take into account difference in the player list, which means differences in possible scummates, and simply different situations and experiences with pressure and such. So while his behavior was OoC, and it makes sense that he was reacting to pressure, you aren't sure how he reacts to pressure as scum either, so while his reaction is more likely for town than scum I don't think it should be a major consideration in getting a read.

Yes, I think that there could be scummy intent behind throwing out scumreads but not acting on them or pushing them. The argument that it could just be him being a newbie doesn't set well with me because he seemed fine with throwing out accusations on big players, but doesn't push them and in response to my request to do so, he backtracked on his reads and seems hesitant to stand behind anything substantial. That does seem like hes playing it too safe and I can see potential scummy intent behind that.

@July



This was a poor choice of wording. Currently I have a null on both of them.



I dunno, maybe I'm just inexperienced at reading people or am just overly wary of good players. I'm definitely not about to take them as 100% town. I personally don't like Swiss' claim to leadership and am not going to follow it blindly. For felipe, his gameplay so far to me has appeared to be composed of suck-upishness/bandwagoning. I haven't seen that much individual thought from him which says to me he's hiding something.

I already addressed this a bit above but you waiver from null to suspicious immediately upon being asked to substantiate your read. I especially don't like this because you give reasons why you are suspicious of them immediately after that and those are reasons that you can follow up on, but instead you don't take action and just let those suspicions linger.

After people stopped tunelling your gameplay changed to what I read as a townie play. I decided to read back and could definitely see a townKantrip in there. The fact that I have you as a solid town I can't really explain. I'm really hesitant about putting solid anything.

No, stop.

You don't need to look at so many things sometimes, sokr has been very townie and his flips of reads show it, he's concerned about swiss because he's an omnious player and figure, he has felipe as scum also because he is a hard to read player.

He doesn't show a 'contradiction' he shows an honest yet noob logic.

I've changed my read of Soup to town. His reads look extremely well done and (from what I can tell) accurate. The reason I put this as town is because he doesn't seem to be trying to throw off reads or anything and to be making legitamit reads.

I'm also not sure why everyone is okay with these sudden shifts in reads. Was the reread on Kantrip specifically? If not then it seems odd to me that the only shift in opinion that would happen after the reread would be on Kantrip, and if it was only a reread on Kantrip...why? Why not look into other people he has as nulls or he's suspicious of.

The change on Soup happens immediately after Soup claims a town read on Sokr. First of all, I think that Soup's really dismissive of looking into Sokr for reasons of noob logic, which I think is just an oversimplification because newb does not always mean bad. Kantrip was a newb in AM but still had good logic and ended up fooling pretty much all of us, so I don't want to just dismiss things as obv newb play. So while it can be a newbie town trait to associate someone having a town read on you as town, it can also be a newbie scum trait to claim a town read on someone who calls you town because they think you are town and that benefits scum.

July, why do you agree with Swiss in your 19? Do you believe his plan is failsafe and if not, what flaws do you see in it?

I definitely don't think it's failsafe/failproof, but I don't mind seeing where Swiss leads us and how Swiss/Adum/Swords line up in their pushes for the Day. I also think its highly unlikely that Swiss, Adum, and Swords are all scum together, so if there is dissent among them or suspicion I think that is something we should take seriously.

 

[Swiss]

Vote: JTB

Part omgus, part I agree with whoever just pressured him.

Manflu and still headed to work. Trooper.

 

[Kantrip]

Like July more, like JTB less (a lot of IIoA), not sure on RR yet.

I can get to stuff and explain these tomorrow, I don't like posting mobile.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Thank you JTB, I'll be keeping that read list in mind if you flip scum.

The case:

Spoiler

Bolded doesn't sit well with me. If Swiss was truly looking for scum, why would he tell me to do the opposite of my scum meta?

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Soup's early game conversation with Swiss reminds me a lot of Halloween Mafia, where scumSoup also buddied townSwiss early on. Nothing conclusive, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on Soup.

Soup, after you 27, I fully expect you to be questioning felipe occasionally.


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If Adumb flips scum, I will be looking to Swiss as godfather if adumb doesn't flip as such.


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Holy ****, disagree with this entirely. You don't need to let people know what you are doing if you know that you will get results that benefit town. Why are you trying to intimidate Sokr by forcing him to play a way that is less likely to find scum?


Up to page 3, there is a lot more content than I expected. Have to get ready for work now though.

Forgot I was still voting sokr.

unvote


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Bolded is odd reasoning, especially since I recall townRR lurking D1 in MMX by removing a picture against SWF policy and not participating in the game. Soup should know this since it was his game.


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I've been thinking this over and it's probably a matter of opinion. I think newbies should be allowed to do what they wish and learn the results first-hand rather than being told "no, that's not how you play."


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Nope, I just will be taking a cop inno on you with a greater grain of salt if Adumb flipped scum.


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This has nothing to do with alignment though.


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This post gives me a town read on Tery. He did the same thing in MMX, offering himself as a lynch to kill a scum with his vengeful townie shot.


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Finished first skim of the game so I have an idea of what's been happening. Gonna take a break and work on my second one before I get to work, then come back tonight. Finally got a charger for my laptop so I'll be able to keep up easier.

Adumb, what was it you wanted me to do for you? Pull up quotes of Kantrip's RVS behavior in droom games?

Let's see how far I get before I pass out. Should be able to hit everything with music blasting and a rush from winning in league so much.


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July, why do you agree with Swiss in your 19? Do you believe his plan is failsafe and if not, what flaws do you see in it?


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Soup's 27 is a good post to keep an eye on. While it can be Soup actually trying to use his background in EM to read felipe, it's also possible he could also use it to set up felipe as a mislynch in the future since I don't think anyone besides those two have experience in that setting.

Also, no one besides felipe can confirm or deny that Soup actually knows felipe's meta (which I believe felipe already denied playing with Soup in EM), so take what he says wrt to felipe with a grain of salt.


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Pointing out that this corresponds with Kantrips town play in Housepets mafia, which was only a few weeks ago.


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From this post, I gather Soup has a town read on Swiss. Unsure how I feel about this after Soup buddying Swiss so much in D1 HP Mafia.

/meta


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Adumb's reasoning for Sokr town in 59 is something I can agree with, as far as a new scum player not standing up to a power player like Swiss. However, the last part of his reasoning doesn't sit well with me.
To say that only confident and good scum would initiate against Swiss makes me feel like you are trying to scare players into not questioning Swiss for fear of a scum read.

Adumb, is it possible that Sokr vs Swiss could be SvS? Explained in a later post.

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Kantrip's 72 and 61 contradict each other. One post says the Soup vote was a RVS vote and the other says it was a pressure vote. These are not the same thing .

77 is even more strange. You state that your vote was a RVS vote that would apply pressure to Soup, but you did not expect Soup to respond to the pressure. You are flip-flopping in your reasoning for voting Soup. Then your 'town-read' on Soup is tacked on without any explanation.


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I like Asdioh from his 81 since my thoughts seem to line up with his.


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I can't agree with Soup's 84 wrt to Kantrip because upon reading Kantrip's vote on Soup, it honestly felt just like a RVS vote with no real intent behind it.


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Ending tonight with Adumb's 95 as I feel it's a good place to stop and be able to answer his question about Kantrip's RVS behaviors in the droom games.

In the last DRoom game we played, I faked a daycop guilty on a player literally right as the game started, spawning 3 pages of content before Kantrip posted once. And his first post was still a RVS post influenced by everything I caused.

Here's the exact quote from the game:



I'll go searching for the other game another time since I'm tired as well. What do you gain from this information?

And I continue on.

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Tery's 97 is terrible. If you are going to vote someone to 'make them talk', you need to do something to actually get them to talk like ask questions or make your vote seem serious. Just throwing a vote on someone and waiting on them is the same as faking content.

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I disagree with Felipe's reasoning for jumping Kantrip in his 104. I don't see him being defensive at all, I see him taking apart Adumb's argument and responding as such. The vote on Adumb, as bad as it is, should prove that Kantrip isn't just trying to save himself but also looking for scum.

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Adumb, I can tell you that Kantrip's 119 does not comply with his RVS vote in the last droom game we were in.

Kantrip, you say at the end of your 129 that you voted a random person (John) that you decided to pursue to get a read on. You did not pursue John at all after re-reading D1 in that game, meaning your vote was indeed random and served no purpose.

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RR, wrt to your 168, what did my activity have to do with your RVS vote on Adumb?

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Up to post 241. I'll be back after work again.

These are all of JTB's "catch up" posts. Something that all of them have in common is that the content in them is very forced. Not only that, but a lot of the content is shallow, and a lot of the time JTB just points stuff out without really providing a stance on it.

Let us dissect these posts.

Bolded doesn't sit well with me. If Swiss was truly looking for scum, why would he tell me to do the opposite of my scum meta?

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Soup's early game conversation with Swiss reminds me a lot of Halloween Mafia, where scumSoup also buddied townSwiss early on. Nothing conclusive, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on Soup.

Soup, after you 27, I fully expect you to be questioning felipe occasionally.


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If Adumb flips scum, I will be looking to Swiss as godfather if adumb doesn't flip as such.


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Holy ****, disagree with this entirely. You don't need to let people know what you are doing if you know that you will get results that benefit town. Why are you trying to intimidate Sokr by forcing him to play a way that is less likely to find scum?


Up to page 3, there is a lot more content than I expected. Have to get ready for work now though.

This is JTB's first catch up post, which I was pretty suspicious of from the get go. However, I decided to keep mum about it because I wanted to see what JTB would do without suspicion on him (you can see this when I stated that I wanted people to give JTB time to catch up).

All of this post is him commenting on none issues. He avoided hot topics of the topic at the time, like Kantrip vs Adumb, so only to to comment on stuff like what Soup said to Skor, as well as FUDish suspicion of Soup's early interactions with Swiss, as well as Adumb and Swiss being scum together.

Why is JTB doing this you asked? It's because as scum, he's struggling to find something new to say. He wants to be viewed as a townie for producing new content, but since a lot of everything that is relevant has already been said, he is instead is just producing weak, irrelevant material of a FUDish nature. It's also entirely possible that as scum, he's simply afraid to take a stance on something of importance here. He does later, but done cautiously.

Forgot I was still voting sokr.

unvote


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Bolded is odd reasoning, especially since I recall townRR lurking D1 in MMX by removing a picture against SWF policy and not participating in the game. Soup should know this since it was his game.


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I've been thinking this over and it's probably a matter of opinion. I think newbies should be allowed to do what they wish and learn the results first-hand rather than being told "no, that's not how you play."


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Nope, I just will be taking a cop inno on you with a greater grain of salt if Adumb flipped scum.


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This has nothing to do with alignment though.


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This post gives me a town read on Tery. He did the same thing in MMX, offering himself as a lynch to kill a scum with his vengeful townie shot.


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Finished first skim of the game so I have an idea of what's been happening. Gonna take a break and work on my second one before I get to work, then come back tonight. Finally got a charger for my laptop so I'll be able to keep up easier.

Adumb, what was it you wanted me to do for you? Pull up quotes of Kantrip's RVS behavior in droom games?

His second catch up post, which pretty much cemented my suspicion of him. Even though he had limited access, this still reeks of covering none issues. So much more stuff went on before this post that JTB failed to cover. His analyses are irrelevant and, as Kantrip pointed out, week.

Truly JTB doesn't actually care about catching scum, as he is scum.

Let's see how far I get before I pass out. Should be able to hit everything with music blasting and a rush from winning in league so much.


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July, why do you agree with Swiss in your 19? Do you believe his plan is failsafe and if not, what flaws do you see in it?


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Soup's 27 is a good post to keep an eye on. While it can be Soup actually trying to use his background in EM to read felipe, it's also possible he could also use it to set up felipe as a mislynch in the future since I don't think anyone besides those two have experience in that setting.

Also, no one besides felipe can confirm or deny that Soup actually knows felipe's meta (which I believe felipe already denied playing with Soup in EM), so take what he says wrt to felipe with a grain of salt.


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Pointing out that this corresponds with Kantrips town play in Housepets mafia, which was only a few weeks ago.


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From this post, I gather Soup has a town read on Swiss. Unsure how I feel about this after Soup buddying Swiss so much in D1 HP Mafia.

/meta


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Adumb's reasoning for Sokr town in 59 is something I can agree with, as far as a new scum player not standing up to a power player like Swiss. However, the last part of his reasoning doesn't sit well with me.
To say that only confident and good scum would initiate against Swiss makes me feel like you are trying to scare players into not questioning Swiss for fear of a scum read.

Adumb, is it possible that Sokr vs Swiss could be SvS? Explained in a later post.

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Kantrip's 72 and 61 contradict each other. One post says the Soup vote was a RVS vote and the other says it was a pressure vote. These are not the same thing .

77 is even more strange. You state that your vote was a RVS vote that would apply pressure to Soup, but you did not expect Soup to respond to the pressure. You are flip-flopping in your reasoning for voting Soup. Then your 'town-read' on Soup is tacked on without any explanation.


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I like Asdioh from his 81 since my thoughts seem to line up with his.


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I can't agree with Soup's 84 wrt to Kantrip because upon reading Kantrip's vote on Soup, it honestly felt just like a RVS vote with no real intent behind it.


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Ending tonight with Adumb's 95 as I feel it's a good place to stop and be able to answer his question about Kantrip's RVS behaviors in the droom games.

In the last DRoom game we played, I faked a daycop guilty on a player literally right as the game started, spawning 3 pages of content before Kantrip posted once. And his first post was still a RVS post influenced by everything I caused.

Here's the exact quote from the game:



I'll go searching for the other game another time since I'm tired as well. What do you gain from this information?

Probably JTB's best post, just because he finally comments on some relevant things, but it's not really enough. A lot of the time here he looks cautious with his stances, just as only poking at Soup and Kantrip suspicion.

And I continue on.

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Tery's 97 is terrible. If you are going to vote someone to 'make them talk', you need to do something to actually get them to talk like ask questions or make your vote seem serious. Just throwing a vote on someone and waiting on them is the same as faking content.

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I disagree with Felipe's reasoning for jumping Kantrip in his 104. I don't see him being defensive at all, I see him taking apart Adumb's argument and responding as such. The vote on Adumb, as bad as it is, should prove that Kantrip isn't just trying to save himself but also looking for scum.

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Adumb, I can tell you that Kantrip's 119 does not comply with his RVS vote in the last droom game we were in.

Kantrip, you say at the end of your 129 that you voted a random person (John) that you decided to pursue to get a read on. You did not pursue John at all after re-reading D1 in that game, meaning your vote was indeed random and served no purpose.

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RR, wrt to your 168, what did my activity have to do with your RVS vote on Adumb?

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Up to post 241. I'll be back after work again.

Again largely focusing on none issues and providing shallow analyses on them.

There you have it. So in review, JTB is scum because (in order for most prominent reason to least):

-he's forcing content, as evidenced by the fact that he spends a good amount of time commenting on none issues.
-his analyses is shallow, and cautious
-he only points out things rather than taking a stance on them sometimes

I want at least two others to join me on this wagon. Soup, Swiss, July, Kantrip, you're all invited, but first come first serve.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Btw I still hold that Tery is iffy. He was super cautious with all of his stances, and I can't fully buy the dumb town defense. However, that said, he's only "iffy" and not actually "scummy." The way JTB has done things is actually scummy.

Another thing to clarify is that I don't actually know rather or not JTB was stalling, that was just I used to put pressure on him. He did have limited access and it is still pretty early in the game, so this particular issue could really go either way.

Sorry for stealing your thunder Soup, but you got let others in on the action sometime.

 

[Swiss]

K vote jtb

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I need to answer questions layed out for me and I've been distracted, I'm going home today so I was thinking about presenting a case but you beat me to it swords.

Homestuck update btw

Gonna wait to vote, I'm looking over my reads one last time, also, I need to see JTBs refute.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Actually screw it I have OCD

vote: JTB

Nobody else vote JTB.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

actually I retract that statement just kmep him from L-1, I don't want a claim yet on top of actual pressure could lead to redeem himself.

 

[Sokr]

P.S. Soup is town gg

What makes you say this?

K vote jtb

Did you only do this because of Sword's suggestion or other reasons?
Also, please answer this:

@Swiss
If you were town and seriously thought he was vig, why point it out? Presenting such a target to the scum? I can only think of one reason why you would do that as town and if it was true, then I would be extremely impressed and have a role suspicion on you. Also, after doing some rereading of your posts, I determined that my scum read on you was from intimidation. Until Sword raised my attention about that post. Speaking of rotten apples...

 

[Sokr]

In regards to the whole Tery putting himself up for lynch thing, that seemed genuine to me. If he was scum, then what purpose would that serve? If he wasn't able to post enough to be an asset to town then I completely agree with him that his lynch would produce more results. Terywj is currently town for me.

 

[Asdioh]

I said that because I think Soup is town. I also think you're town :O

Tery putting himself up for the lynch should be taken as null. I also thought it seemed townie at first, but it was just too soon and too easy. It's more likely he's frustrated with his internet or whatever, regardless of alignment.

 

[Sokr]

I said that because I think Soup is town. I also think you're town :O

Tery putting himself up for the lynch should be taken as null. I also thought it seemed townie at first, but it was just too soon and too easy. It's more likely he's frustrated with his internet or whatever, regardless of alignment.

Good point. What makes you think Soup is town?

 

[Asdioh]

I can't really explain it. I'm used to playing with him and by now I think I know when he's town. I'm not going to go 100% on it, because he also looked town to me in harry potter mafia, when he wasn't.

Regardless, there's no real need to elaborate on a townread when the person's not under any pressure. I think he's town, I'll just leave it at that.

Now I'm gonna go play Skyrim lololo

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I said that because I think Soup is town. I also think you're town :O

Tery putting himself up for the lynch should be taken as null. I also thought it seemed townie at first, but it was just too soon and too easy. It's more likely he's frustrated with his internet or whatever, regardless of alignment.

whats give you that impression from Tery in relation to intent?

 

[adumbrodeus]

I now believe kantrip, the only odd point that I find is the lack of real sarcastic or jovial tone which seemed to characterize his posts, but looking at his future posts, he seemed to be taking that from sheer ridiculousness of the situation, not realizing that certain things soup has done in the past would make a serious policy lynch a possibility (holds record for most modkills, nuff said).


I would've preferred more posts and details from droom games, but the overall impression gives me enough and I'd like to explore other areas. I would however like everyone with droom access to double check to confirm JTB's impression as well as Kantrip's post as being representative.


I'll explain my reasoning on this now. Previously I didn't think that he would make such a post in RVS because it didn't fit with RVS. His self-meta didn't mesh with my experience with him, so I needed to see if he took this view in more recent RVSes. There's still a tone of joviality in those posts but I'm now of the opinion that he thought that it would come across as jovial just because it was supporting a policy lynch, and the only reason it was taken seriously is because... well it's soup. We all know his history.


There is pretty much only one question remaining from this slot at this time.


@Kantrip: During your 119 you decided to make a change from attacking me and my argument to attacking just my argument. Why?



Ok, overall reads time:


Town:

Sokr
Soup
Kantrip

Leaning town:

Asdioh
Tery

null

Swiss
JTB
Felipe
July

Leaning scum

Seikend

Scum

Red Ryu
Swordsdancer


Reasoning


Explained my townreads extensively.

Asdioh lines up with my reads pretty well and seems open and contributing, but I haven't seen anything that SCREAMS town from him.

Tery is playing too similarly to the numerous examples I've seen of him playing badtown, and this seems to be no different. Wanna read him a little more closely and perhaps get some meta on tery scum, but right now I'm comfortable with the slot.

Swiss is swiss. A bit uncomfortable with his lack of being here in general and the super-light content OMGUS, but not enough for a real scumread cause I think that town-swiss would do that too.


JTB - the only statement I see that's really odd is his godfather point, his content is shallowed and limited, but it straddles the line between shallow by design and shallow because of sheer inactivity.


Felipe - Doing a lot of noobtown things, but I'm having sincere difficulty estimating his player level and therefore recognizing whether he's doing them because he thinks they're a good idea, or doing them to look noobtown.


July - I honestly need to read her in depth at some point soon, she just hasn't made any impression on me whatsoever.

Seikend - Rubs me the wrong way, posts seem more concerned with pre-emptive defenses then actually scumhunting, and seems rather wishy washy.

RR - One REALLY odd thing about this slot, he asks a ton of questions, but never follows up on the answers to the questions or explains what the answers told him. His town games seem to value analysis over questioning a lot (ex. megaman x). Yea, you can die.


Sworddancer - Really don't like this slot at all. The wishy washyness, the bad scholarship when he attacked people who called kantrip out on being defensive. Large posts with a lot of words, but little in the way of actual analysis, he also does the never followed up question thing, but to a much lesser extent. Even when he pushes, it's against really safe targets. Die please.


Unvote, Vote: Sworddancer


Lemme break it off there so post isn't absolutely massive.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Finally on a computer.

Soup, explain to me how RR's 317 can be anything other than a null tell. Do you think if RR was scum, he would try to be demoralizing Tery to push him as a policy lynch?

I think your question is exemplified as null, much like what RR did, my statement was mere opinion and your question is also the same of thing.

any other questions i'm missing?