Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[Swiss]

Powered through the flu like a boss. Was popping eight paracetamol at my peak.

Eight.

I was practically dead.

So anyways, let'sa get readin'.

 

[Swiss]

I'm not the vig though, I swear it.

Swiss, what are you getting at here? There's no way you can seriously think I'm the vig, or else you wouldn't of called it out.

Don't be dumb. You should never swear you're not the vig.

What I did it for, is what I do everything for. You'd think you'd never played with me before, the way you've been reacting to my last few posts. Stop being dumb, you're not dumb.

Consider yourself reminded. [In reference to me waiting to ask Adum something]

This is what I really disliked. As, to my memory, Adum had not yet got whatever he needed from JTB, or whoever he asked those questions to. Why prod me to ask the extra questions so soon after I said I needed to hold off. Felt opportunistic.

Of course, the likelihood is that you are the vig, and so your surprised, snide posts make sense.

So, Adum, which of us is getting copped again? Or are we just gonna head straight for a potential scum cop instead? I've been away, so I'll let you choose.

Adumb's reasoning for Sokr town in 59 is something I can agree with, as far as a new scum player not standing up to a power player like Swiss. However, the last part of his reasoning doesn't sit well with me.
To say that only confident and good scum would initiate against Swiss makes me feel like you are trying to scare players into not questioning Swiss for fear of a scum read.

You are willing to allude to a Swiss-Adum scum team? Possibility, probability?

@Swiss
If you were town and seriously thought he was vig, why point it out? Presenting such a target to the scum? I can only think of one reason why you would do that as town and if it was true, then I would be extremely impressed and have a role suspicion on you. Also, after doing some rereading of your posts, I determined that my scum read on you was from intimidation. Until Sword raised my attention about that post. Speaking of rotten apples...

There's no need to be impressed, I can assure you (not for this anyway, be impressed at me in general, though). Though, after the game, I would be interested to see which role you thought I may have had.

If your scum read on me was from intimidation (understandably), what steps are you taking to ensure your emotions do not negatively influence your play even further? What will you be doing to become a stable, reliable player as opposed to the emotional, emphatic player you were before?

You have missed everything between page 17 and 21 then.

Secure in his content, town.

I glanced at the thread. I looked over the votecount.

I sighed. Someone was needed to lead these people. Would it be me? Did I have the confidence in my scumpicks to lead to victory? I had my doubts.

My eyes darted over to the date: the 10th. The time was come: Skyrim, Destroyer of Mafia Games, was arriving. I prepared myself.

In the meantime, I diverted my attention to Soup and Swiss. "Why are you voting for Red Ruy over Seikend or JTB?" I asked keenly.

gtfo my job.

No idea. Did I comment on RR when I voted?

does anybody have meta on scumAdumbrodeus?

Don't try to meta Adum.

I don't know the full situation he is in other than limited computer time or how much time he devotes to playing, if I knew more about what he does irl I could say but as it stands I can't make a fair answer to this question.

Careful answer. Hesitant to call you scum as it's open too.

I forgot who asked, and I gotta move out of the library but my order of trust with Adumb, Swiss and Swords is,

Adumb
Swords
Swiss

in that order, top being most trusted and bottom being less trusted.

You typo'd my name as 'Adumb'.

Swords can you go in depth on JTBScum?

Can anyone remember my read on JTB pre-manflu? I can't find it.

Swiss[/COLOR] - Nothing has made me feel better about Swiss since his first post. His pointing out a potential vig crumb, his post to RR saying that he should always be read as town, and trying to coerce town into following him/adumb/sword into a lynch. Then his vote on RR that he hasn't actually done anything with or even explained, he just placed it there (not randomly) and ignored it.

Laughed IRL.

JTB, I'm curious, you have Swords listed as town, partly because I pointed out a "Vig crumb" - please explain.

If I don't like someone, I'm going to take them to my cell overnight.

Swiss hoped someone would point out this looked like a crumb, thus securing himself town status.

In addition, what seems to have escaped the sharp minds of Sokr and JTB, is I'd be amazed if Swords would actually:
1) Be dumb enough to crumb Vig
2) Be dumb enough to crumb it badly
3) Be so spectacularly dumb to throw a **** fit over it

Keep up that fantastic, two dimensional play, guys.

Vote: JTB

Part omgus, part I agree with whoever just pressured him.

Manflu and still headed to work. Trooper.

Forgot about this.

Dat troopah.

Big fan of me saying this when, after actually reading the thread, I don't think anyone explicitly pressured him. Swords just said "scum gimme a day to make a case".

MLG.

@ Swords #467 - If JTB were town, as in dumb town, how would his posts have differed? I do agree those posts were blander than a water covered biscuit. I also see the "not wanting to get involved" in his posts - but if this were completely the case, I find in unlikely he would push me (much the same reason as Sokr). I get waggoned, copped, hated, tracked every game - but I'm not an easy man to push - JTB made comments @ me quite a few times, and even challenged an Adum/Swiss scumteam. If JTB were town, are you saying, he would have taken firmer stances, sooner?

Also, a key question, at any point, do you see malevolent intent? By which I mean, subtly trying to push other people against each other?

K vote jtb

Laughed IRL.

Dat Soup.

Did you only do this because of Sword's suggestion or other reasons?
Also, please answer this:

The first vote, or the second?

Bizarre question since I was already voting him. However if I hadn't been, I would have voted him purely for the wagon.

@ Adum, I was ill, barely able to talk, and couldn't focus my eyes. Give a man a break for not being here! (I did manage to power through with some BF3 yesterday though, haha)

Oh, wow. I did not see the Swords push coming. I LOVE mafia.

@Swiss: answer my question. why did you point out your vig read on sword if that would obviously raise the attention of scum?

@adum: what is your opinion on swiss' vig read on sword? Obviously you don't think its true, but what do you think of the reasoning behind it?

Get off my ****. I was ill, and this is what, the 4th time you've posted saying @Swiss answer me.

Now I'm not saying you took this as cheap, sly way of having me painted me as a lurker. But since no-one else found it odd I wasn't posting anything at all other than quick votes to help keep the game moving, I have to question why you acted differently. I'm happy to assume you simply skimmed my posts saying I was ill?

SWORDS YOUR GRAMMAR THIS GAME HAS BEEN TERRIBLE.

Swords, I'm curious, pre #502, what was your read on me? I was under the impression you took a dislike to me

Oh, Soup, I just remembered. You're a ******* for claiming town to me out of thread in HP mafia.

@Swiss: Thoughts on Swords and Adum?

I was hoping someone would ask this.

So. I no longer have a certain read on either. Early game, I was confident in Swords town, his reads were legit and his posts concise. But as the game has progressed he has made some bizarre posts. His rebuttal to Adum's case was content, but promises, which doesn't sit well with me ('You think my stances aren't clear? You ask me what you want and I'll ensure they are"). Wat. Also his vig response reeked of jumping on a classic 'scumslip' - this wasn't even aimed at Swords, and why he got involved defeats me.

Adum is the opposite, I distrusted him a lot early game, and to a degree always will. But I've detected no under-the-radar moves from him. I've not seen any malice or him setting people up against each other - which if he were scum, I'd assume he would. He's very much an OS when he plays, he sets his scum team up and then tries to survive as long as possible to buy them endgame time, as opposed to me who just busses them all

Adum leans town, Swords regretfully null. I also find it unlikely Adum would have pushed Swords at that time as scum, he'd have let me do it first - a confrontation was inevitable after he got all *****y to me,

The only other stances he gives from there on out are saying that Adum doesn't match his scum meta from past experiences in his #455 and ranking his trust of Adum, Swords, and Swiss in his #456 (that's his order of trust from most to least trusted btw). However he doesn't actually tell us what that spectrum means :-/ as in, is Swiss leaning town while the other two are town, or is it town, null, scum? I'd like some explanation on what his reads for these players actually are.

Town, as scum she would never thought to have questioned this.

 

[Swiss]

Before I forget; the blast from the past post.

I somewhat see your point in his more recent posts.

The thing is, I do see a scum intent from his earlier posts rather clearly. There's no pro-town reason to convince people to disregard a vote intended to start a policy lynch, but then under the least pressure he retracted it, and then was evasive about his reasons, and then said it was intended as RVS which simply didn't make sense in context.

Ducking responsibility for a vote is something that speaks volumes about a person being more interested in not getting lynched then helping scumhunting.

That's why I think he's scum, but I'm waiting on JTB's answer before pursuing this further. Also want to see if I'm right about something in his posts.

Huh. Yeah, theoretically, the guy looked bad early game. Perhaps we draw intent from different posts, I know few interpret like myself, but show me where you got the intent from his words, not his actions. Agreed on the theory he looked bad, but I want you to shy away form that, then tell me your reasoning.

Do you still think him scum? In what way would JTB have affected this decision process? Show the paths. What was it you wanted to see of you were right about?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Shameless prod dodging, be back in a sec.

 

[Swiss]

Darkness.

Silence.

The old, oaken room that the figure had so long inhabited, so long suffered in, echoed no more. The fetid air of the tomb moved no more, dust long settled. Was this the end? Would the figure rise no more? The emaciated corpse lay on the beams, long soaked and dried in his blood.

It would seem as if years had passed since the figure last died, was last silenced in the night.

Yet, the figure always referred to himself as another, and one must question that if this commentary was yet persevering, who lay dead and still on the floor?


A cackle echoed.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@ Swords #467 - If JTB were town, as in dumb town, how would his posts have differed? I do agree those posts were blander than a water covered biscuit. I also see the "not wanting to get involved" in his posts - but if this were completely the case, I find in unlikely he would push me (much the same reason as Sokr). I get waggoned, copped, hated, tracked every game - but I'm not an easy man to push - JTB made comments @ me quite a few times, and even challenged an Adum/Swiss scumteam. If JTB were town, are you saying, he would have taken firmer stances, sooner?

Also, a key question, at any point, do you see malevolent intent? By which I mean, subtly trying to push other people against each other?

I do not think JTB would be dumb town if he were town. Still though, to answer your question, I think that if JTB were town that he wouldn't of went out of his way to commentate on such minor things (i.e. forcing content). I think that his analyses would of been more in depth. Finally, I do think that he would of taken more firm stances (not necessarily sooner, when he gave the stances out doesn't necessarily concern me that much), as well as simply more stances in general.

I wouldn't say that he's really tried to set up anyone specifically against each other. Like, I don't see any sly attempts to get players X and Y to duke it out, but I have seen other things from him that I would describe as "malevolent."

Look at his start. The very first accusation against Soup isn't really an accusation as a paranoia jab at Soup. It's the same thing with the Adumb scum/Swiss Godfather thing. Whenever he addresses Soup in his 427 it's FUD. So yeah, I would say that he's been malevolent in the sense that he's attacked people with paranoia.

SWORDS YOUR GRAMMAR THIS GAME HAS BEEN TERRIBLE.

Dude you're not the first to point out that I have poor grammar. Sometimes I think that I'm a little dyslexic, but it's honestly probably just that I've become kind of lazy when it comes to rereading my posts for spelling/grammar errors as of late.

Swords, I'm curious, pre #502, what was your read on me? I was under the impression you took a dislike to me

No, I never took a disliking to you. At worst I had you at null. The town leans came from posts like 186 and 339.

Why did you think this?

I was hoping someone would ask this.

So. I no longer have a certain read on either. Early game, I was confident in Swords town, his reads were legit and his posts concise. But as the game has progressed he has made some bizarre posts. His rebuttal to Adum's case was content, but promises, which doesn't sit well with me ('You think my stances aren't clear? You ask me what you want and I'll ensure they are"). Wat. Also his vig response reeked of jumping on a classic 'scumslip' - this wasn't even aimed at Swords, and why he got involved defeats me.

Adum is the opposite, I distrusted him a lot early game, and to a degree always will. But I've detected no under-the-radar moves from him. I've not seen any malice or him setting people up against each other - which if he were scum, I'd assume he would. He's very much an OS when he plays, he sets his scum team up and then tries to survive as long as possible to buy them endgame time, as opposed to me who just busses them all

Adum leans town, Swords regretfully null. I also find it unlikely Adum would have pushed Swords at that time as scum, he'd have let me do it first - a confrontation was inevitable after he got all *****y to me,

Swiss I said that because Adumb was attacking me for playing, as he puts it, "too safe," due to the fact that my stances were weak. My rebuttal to that was that I had formed stronger stances since the last time I gave out my reads, and that I simply hadn't gave them out yet. I then told him that if he felt like I was playing too safe, then he should of asked me to give stances (thus the whole "ask and you'll receive" part).

Swiss I wasn't throwing a ***** fit there at all. My responses to you were never more then "Swiss you obviously don't actually think I'm the vig, and I'm not going to WIFOM myself so to look into your intentions so what are you getting at?"

Okay, I went over Swords' case and I am guilty of those forementioned points. From a time period where I didn't have much free time, I was focusing more on getting content out instead of the quality of it, so its =\

What I don't like is that one of your points is that I'm not giving stances on issues, but with the presentation of your case, you don't bother asking for my stances on any issues, giving me the impression that you are more concerned with making me look scummy rather than forcing me to make connections with other players or asking me questions about my shallow analysis'.

+1 town point for taking honest responsibility. You're still the scummiest though.

Also I have a hard time buying that you where just more concerned with getting content out than the quality of it, due to the fact that, even with a busy life, you've been producing a minimal amount of content that's still pretty shallow.

JTB I asked you for an entire read list, you can't do too much better than that. I mean sure I didn't ask you for for stances on specific issues (for example, interactions between players), but that's just criticizing me for not playing optimally. Give me a little more credit.

 

[Swiss]

Cool be town.

You referring to my 186 & 339 made me re-read them out of curiosity. I was certain you were town there, so you must be.

Your grammar is normally really good, must just be rushing a few lines. Having said that, this is coming from the guy that used to intentionally mis-place words to alter his sentence structure.

Off the top of my head, town:

Swords
July
Asdioh
Soup
Felipe
Kantrip

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yes I am, just didn't post this weekend because I was spending time with the boyfriend. Not much activity means I'll be caught up in no time.



Soup, is there anything you want to add to the JTB case? If JTB is lynched toDay, who will you look at on a scum flip? On a town flip?



The Sokr vote was trying to push him and force him to take strong stances and actually back up his accusations (make a case, try and convince people). He actually did the opposite and went back on his reads on Swiss and Adum and really hasn't presented anything since, and that doesn't set well with me; that seems to me like more than a newbie issue of taking stances, it seems like purposefully avoiding conflict or getting your hands dirty.



Seikend is null, there just isn't enough information from him; the only thing I remember him commenting on was Adum v. Kantrip and having a weak stance on that. I need to see more from him or he needs a replacement.

RR is also someone who hasn't left a huge impression of me so I reread him. In his first 10 or so posts I'm seeing questions, speculation on RVS, and advice, but no real stances until his #210. However with this post:

This is his comment on Tery's post and makes me think he really isn't found of Tery at this point, but that's it and that's pretty weak 210 posts into the game and with things like Kantrip v. Adum going down. I also thought the last paragraph was about himself, but it appears he's talking about being in the dark about Tery's reads, but I'm finding that pretty funny because I'm in the dark about RR's reads on those people and pretty much everyone in the game except Tery at this point.

But then his #302 and #303 take a jump away from any Tery suspicion and he says this to Kantrip when he votes for Tery:



That seems awfully defensive of someone that in his next post RR admits he has trouble reading, which now moves Tery to null for him? All in all I'm unclear of how RR feels about Tery but I do know he doesn't want Kantrip putting pressure on him, which I think was fine; I didn't see intent to lynch, I saw intent to pressure someone he found increasingly scummy and I wanted to see how those interactions played out between Kantrip/Tery, so I don't like RR shutting that down so quickly.

The next post from RR is wrt Swords asking for his read on Kantrip, in which he provides a case against Kantrip:



I don't like this case.

The bolded bothered me for what might be my brain blowing things up at 4:30 am but him saying that Kantrip provided reasoning later, as in after voting Tery, isn't true; he gave his reasons right when he voted and one of the reasons that RR doesn't like is that Kantrip called Tery out on fluff posting which is null for Tery. However that point requires meta on Tery that idk or care if Kantrip has, I'd prefer that people pressure people for fluff content/lack of content then just write them off as meta, especially when its meta someone else is providing.

The point about Kantrip voting for pressure and not with the intent to lynch is stupid to me; if Kantrip got information out of his vote and pressure on Tery then he's at least trying to scumhunt.

The vote on Sokr for a "scum slip" I can see where he's coming from a bit, but I don't think it's strong and I don't like the case built around the Kantrip/Tery/Sokr reactions, especially in light of Kantrip's questioning of Sokr after this vote and eventually change in reads on him. Basically I see RR nitpicking Kantrip's scumhunting which seems disorganized but not disingenuous.

The only other stances he gives from there on out are saying that Adum doesn't match his scum meta from past experiences in his #455 and ranking his trust of Adum, Swords, and Swiss in his #456 (that's his order of trust from most to least trusted btw). However he doesn't actually tell us what that spectrum means :-/ as in, is Swiss leaning town while the other two are town, or is it town, null, scum? I'd like some explanation on what his reads for these players actually are.

So basically your question about RR turned into a case on him but after rereading I really don't like RR's lack of content, especially reads, and the fact that his interactions have been based around Tery: questioning Tery, giving advice to Tery, and then providing a case on someone after they attacked Tery. Right now I'm leaning scum on RR and I want to hear reads from him in his next post about some of the people he's never even mentioned, like Asdioh (they posted gifs back and forth to each other but that doesn't count), JTB, Soup, and Felipe.


@Sokr: What are your thoughts on the JTB wagon? If the deadline were today, would you support the JTB lynch and/or vote for him?

@Swiss: Thoughts on Swords and Adum?

Ask for a read and get a case in response. That's July for you.

So July, one other thing that I want from you is organization of your scum reads. At this very moment, who do you want most in order, Sokr, RR, or JTB?

Swiss you don't think Adumb's town? Or did you just forget?

 

[Sokr]

Now I've got Swiss as either an independent or town. Further explanation along with answers to questions will come when i get access to a computer.

 

[JTB]

Yes, yes he did. What of it? This almost seems like too obvious of IIoA. No questions asked, no follow-up, no observations, no opinion of it. JTB just states what happened and moves on to his next point.


I should've made it more clear that I wanted him to address this, it's usually my understanding that when a player brings up a certain incident, they want some sort of clarification on it.




JTB what did you hope to gain from this question? It looks hollow to me, and then you ask something random and baseless about what RR might do as scum.

Getting an understanding of how Soup can get a town read out of something either alignment can do.


Your explanation of a town read on Asdioh is similar thoughts? How is this a towntell in the slightest? What is stopping scum from saying something that you happen to agree with? This is a very shallow read on Asdioh based off of surface-value reading.

If I see someone with a similar thought process as me, I tend to label them as town. I know that either alignment can have this thought process, but I see no reason to pick at someone I feel comfortable with. This does not mean I'm just going to ride a town read on Asdioh the whole game though.



Same thing. This is based on you agreeing with what other people posted, and not even those things are valid points to draw a read off of.

^^

Every single one of these are placeholders (so no read) or are so shallow they might as well be placeholders.

(insert laziness to develop full null reads)


So you don't like how Swiss pointed out a vig crumb, yet you say the same thing came up in your read? Just clarifying here. Really, this read is just as hollow as the rest of them.

The vig crumb did not come up in my read, Swiss pointing it out did.



Lol. I feel like a broken record here.

Do you not find what I pointed out odd about RR? He's waiting on someone that's considered inactive in order to move his vote.


Read over the conversation that ensued between John and I again as a result of my vote. Then define "following up" for me. I got a read off of John based on that conversation, too, so I don't see how you can't see it as following up.

I suppose this is just a matter of opinion, I have read your very brief followup with John and I don't see how you could've gotten a read out of that.


This isn't the only post that JTB's had that looks like this. On the contrary, I can't see any of JTB's posts that don't look like this. Nothing has any basis behind it; he's either reading at surface value and posting very hollow things as a result of his limited access, or he's scum avoiding content by posting very hollow things with limited access as an added excuse to try to cover this up.

FoS: JTB

Consider my vote on him. I'm just not sure if other people are fine with the wagon where it is currently. I want to hear JTB's defense and see what comes of this pressure. In Housepets he got lynched D1 due to a good case by T-Block (who was scum) that town sheeped to a mis-lynch. I don't want to make that mistake again.

Answers within the quote.

Now Kantrip, let me ask you this. Sworddancer was the first to make this 'case' on me, which didn't include any analysis on the individual content I provided but just lumped it all together and made his three points on me. You are the first person to actually go through my content and question my reads and ask questions regarding it. Would you agree that Sword was only providing the materials for town to make a case on me and that he's trying not to appear as a major factor in my wagon?

 

[JTB]

holy **** colors, ill try to fix that without editing the post

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, what are you gonna do if JTB flips town/scum?

I've been considering JTB actually being town over the past few days, mostly because he doesn't seem to give a **** at this point.
you can call it just AtE or whatever you may, but generally i'm starting to think it's a mix of inactivity and bull****ted reads that aren't very in-depth mostly because of inactivity and not giving a ****.

does scum lie in all of this? maybe.

i think i can gain enough information on a JTB town/scum flip either way, even though i have been considering possibilites of JTBtown.

so, in short, if he's scum, A+, i'll be looking at seikend and his replacement.

if not, damn shame, i'll have to go over my reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

what a ninja.

making me look like a fool.

 

[JTB]

Derp vote:JBS

Why are you voting me Felipe?

Sokr, in your 349, you state that you have a null on both Swiss and Adumb. However, in your 353 just a few posts down, you state that Swiss is now a scum read and Adumb is now leaning town.

Respond to this Sokr.

@ Kantrip, look at Swords' 513 as well after reading my last post.

 

[JTB]

Vote: Sworddancer

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Red Ryu/Terywj hold a scum.

 

[JTB]

Sword/Adum/July/JTB/Seikend.

you've got two scum in there, i'm hoping to peg one in JTB and the other in Seikend, but we'll see.

come friday i'll have more time to explain this, apologies for the short answers.

Soup, did you ever explain this?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Don't mind me, I'm just off trying not to appear as a factor on the JTB wagon.

Soup you're too nice. You gotta draw the line when it comes to giving people the benefit of the doubt somewhere.

Can you explain your change of heart on Tery Soup? Last time I recall it you had him as town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, i was openly thinking and i retracted it before i could explain my thoughts, the same goes with what i just said now.

when i tend to have a thought i am compelled to say it, i'm an open thinker.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's not that i'm too nice it's just that i am content with either way and if JTB is willing to show he is town i will consider not lynching him.

right now there is no sway of either and i still hold strong to a scum-read even with a possibilty of town, i'm mostly worried about being wrong but then i realize it's okay because it's a ML and there is plenty of days to go on with.

anyways, it's part inactivity and part meta, it's kinda the same thing as what i'm going through with my JTB read right now, there's a cast of doubt but i've heard (and learned) that self-confidence leads to better plays and reads.

right now i'm just considering and thinking if there is that 'what if' situation.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

er, that was a bit sloppy, but i'm sure you get my point.

Swords, let's say you and me are right and JTB flips town, where are you going next?

JTB, why did you OMGUS instantly on Swords, do you think he is push is fragile and hollow?
feel free to refute it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

err...scum.

his push*

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Same answer to Kantrip, Soup. If he flips scum then I'm going have to reread to look for connections (I haven't done that yet), but as of now I'll say that I'll probably just go down my scumlist to someone like Seikend or RR (July rises an interesting case against him).

Fair enough to your 540. I'm never really completely sold on my own Day 1 lynches tbh. That said, JTB's still easily the most scummy, and I highly doubt that I'll find someone more scummy than him toDay.

Rebut vs. refute Soup. I don't think JTB can really refute my case at all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

scratch what I said about Seikend, not posting in four days straight makes me think he won't get better, needs a replacement.

same for Tery if he does simular.

Shopping before work, so I'll get to this in a sec.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Shameless prod dodging, be back in a sec.

scratch what I said about Seikend, not posting in four days straight makes me think he won't get better, needs a replacement.

same for Tery if he does simular.

Shopping before work, so I'll get to this in a sec.

*ahem*

Going to fest tonight btw, will be around until about 7-8.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I know, haven't been good with activity at all with this game.

Forget the sec as well, I gotta go to work. :/

Sorry.

 

[Swiss]

Swiss you don't think Adumb's town? Or did you just forget?

Leans town, not putting him on the LyLo boat yet.

Now I've got Swiss as either an independent or town. Further explanation along with answers to questions will come when i get access to a computer.

Swiss suggested a scenario where he could be copped...he can't be scum!

/rocketfacepalm

 

[Swiss]

I'll tank the town points, though

You're not allowed to reconsider that, since it's your own logic which you just used.

 

[Swiss]

*take

Utterly moronic typo.

 

[Swiss]

#547 was @ Swords, not July.

Sleep, Swiss. This is all clearly too much for you.

 

[felipe_9595]

Leans town, not putting him on the LyLo boat yet.




Swiss suggested a scenario where he could be copped...he can't be scum!

/rocketfacepalm

You made my day xD

 

[adumbrodeus]

So your attacking me because I set my stances up so that I could change them if need be. Okay then, in that case you should know the first time I have taken stances, most of the changes that I have made to my reads is strengthening them. I just haven't been all that vocal about it. If your interested in them, then ask for them. If your waiting for me to just say it naturally without outside influence, then I don't know what else to say but that I will when I feel like it.

I've been pretty firm with all of my stances in general, beside from maybe Tery who I called "iffy" as of late, so I don't know where this wishy-washyness has been coming from. I think your honestly focusing too much on my first post, where my reads are weaker then they are now. Again, if you think I'm playing too safe with my stances then ask for them and "force" me to take them, because I ensure you I will.

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I have followed up on some of my questions, but not many, admitttingly. Most of my questions are designed for future reference, i.e. information to reference latter. Not everything needs to be followed up on.

Do you define JTB as a safe push? Are you going to let people get off the hook just because pushing them is easy? I will not lie, noticing the scum in JTB was pretty easy, but so what? That doesn't make him any less scummy.

Don't be generic, just because someone is easy to push (which JTB is, as he looks like fairly obvious scum to me) doesn't mean that the push is bad.

None of these things on your own establish you as scum, what I don't like is the fact that they're all coming from the same slot. That in combination with your contribution being suspiciously light when you actually say things gives me a very strong impression that you're more interested in protecting yourself then finding scum.

I don't know what you mean by "bad schoolarship" or how it's scummy.

Scholarship, in other words, you didn't do you didn't do your research when passing suspicion on people. This is in regards to when you called people out for calling kantrip "defensive", saying it was a generic reason and that anybody would get defensive when they had a wagon on them.

But that wasn't the meat of the issue they were pointing to, and only one of them didn't explain it before you called them out on it. Both July and Felipe explained their issue with the defensiveness was that he got defensive prior to when there was an actual case on him.

Furthermore I find it interesting that you only withdrew your suspicion on july on this count after I pointed this out, without even explaining why this still made Felipe suspicious.

So what if the case was bad? That's just the effect that you're reading into the case, not the intent. Kantrip honestly thought you were scummy, the fact that is was for poor reasoning just means that he didn't think it through thoroughly. At worst, it should be interpret as anti-town. I find though that there was genuine effort in Kantrip's part.

Also considering what else he's done, like attack Felipe and analysis your posts as of late, only serve to strengthen that genuine effort read that I'm getting out of him.

The point is you never explained WHY. Why does him attacking me in response suggest a townie intent and independent thought? What you did here shows no real commitment to turning back the wagon because you believed him town, seems a lot more like just trying to garner town points.

Perhaps because his scummates told him to make a RVS vote to look natural? It's a possibility.

Evidence that it looks coached? I furthermore have extreme doubts that any scum with slightly more experience would coach scum-sokr into attacking swiss, and I furthermore find it extremely unlikely that he wouldn't drop a major scumtell on the way.

I don't know what the shotgun approach is.

Toss everything you know about something out there and hope something sticks. Displays a lack of commitment and being more interested in discrediting for ulterior motives.

Is Felipe more scummy now because of that? Can you not see it from his point of view how it may of appeared that Sokr was being cautious?

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Citation, explain what you're talking about.

No.

Nothing about the fact that JTB has been somewhat inactivity has anything to do with the fact that his posts are weak, shallow, and forced. You're seriously going to be giving scum free passes if you're simply going to excuse them for stuff like this.

No, it's difficult to produce content when you're not around and when you have no clue what's going on. I've personally had this issue a number of times before, I could cite 2 mafiascum examples off the top of my head. Sorcorers in the palace mafia and my pick your poison invitational.

We should encourage inactives to get active, but inactivity is not an excuse when we have real scumreads, especially since their connections are very limited.

Read list for Adumb:

Soup
Kantrip
Asdioh
Swiss
Adumb
July
RR
Skor
Tery
Seikend

JTB

Explanation after tourny.

So... safe. God.

@Adumb



This is suggesting the only people who will call out Swiss are confident and good scum and new players (Kantrip, Sokr, maybe Tery) are less likely to do something that would incur an automatic scumtell on them.

Heh?

JTB, you realize I was talking about this in the context of why Sokr isn't scum AFTER ATTACKING SWISS and because he did so? I was explaining why the only scum that would attack swiss are good/confident scum, not how only a specific subcategory of scum would attack swiss and town never would.

Huh. Yeah, theoretically, the guy looked bad early game. Perhaps we draw intent from different posts, I know few interpret like myself, but show me where you got the intent from his words, not his actions. Agreed on the theory he looked bad, but I want you to shy away form that, then tell me your reasoning.

Do you still think him scum? In what way would JTB have affected this decision process? Show the paths. What was it you wanted to see of you were right about?

33 didn't really interest me much initially. Soup policy lynch isn't off the pale for me considering what I've seen from him previously and it tonally looked serious.

38 struck me as extremely evasive and defensive. He didn't directly state that it was intended to be an RVS vote but he didn't explain otherwise as well.

No thanks, I think my vote contained the appropriate amount of sarcasm. Unless you are saying that without some sort of satirical statement or emoticon you can't tell the intent behind it. That is pretty indicative of a bad player, being unable to discern motivation without sarcasm to lay it out for them. I don't think you are a bad player, which is why I'm not sure why you believed that.

You think I was sheeping Sword's RvS vote?

Note how he chose to attack soup's abilities rather then answering the question.

Do you really think I was supporting a policy lynch on Soup at this phase in the game? Sword's vote was RVS, what suggests to you that mine wasn't? Was it a lack of sarcasm?

More evasion without answering the question, I follow it up.

Yeah it was RVS. There are other players who I would advocate for a policy lynch before Soup if that were to arise, and even then I would prefer not to policy lynch. Honestly, I just felt like voting Soup. It held no more purpose than most RVS votes, though it was interesting to see his reaction to the statement I made about lynching him. I've got a leaning town read on him as a result, by the way.

I'm confused swiss, what do you mean by "words not actions". It's his words in conjunction with his actions that made me read a scum intent in his actions, for example how he was so evasive in his 38 and chose to attack soup's skills (which at the same time, made me read that he considered soup a joke and would seriously policy lynch him). That made me believe that his explanation was full of crap and further believe he was trying to duck the vote to avoid responsibility for it. I did not see any town intent possible for those actions.


As for do I think he's scum, not sure. From the quotes I've read his behavior in this game made sense.

Take a look at this post.

Especially the interaction with John, deadpan reaction to something that is entirely ridiculous (that john is confirmed scum by his role pm), nearly exactly tonally matching his interaction with soup.


That said, it's kantrip giving me these posts, I don't know whether this is cherry-picked or totally out of context or not.


So if the others (most notably JTB) reported interaction that matched this pattern, then I could confirm my read and when having the other droomers check it, potentially get a read on him.


If the report was quotes that didn't match up with what kantrip said, then I would go with my initial read, that his self-meta was false and a desperate attempt to save himself.


The quotes match, but the overall impression is off, so I'm honestly not sure right now.



Speaking of which, where's my droomers' quote dump on kantrip's rvs behavior?

So, Adum, which of us is getting copped again? Or are we just gonna head straight for a potential scum cop instead? I've been away, so I'll let you choose.

I'm not choosing and I don't want you choosing either. Let the cop decide between the two of us and a scum pick. Leave it open enough that it's difficult for scum to predict where the cop read is going for.

Adum is the opposite, I distrusted him a lot early game, and to a degree always will. But I've detected no under-the-radar moves from him. I've not seen any malice or him setting people up against each other - which if he were scum, I'd assume he would. He's very much an OS when he plays, he sets his scum team up and then tries to survive as long as possible to buy them endgame time, as opposed to me who just busses them all

LOTR? Majora's Mask? What was the point of this obviously incorrect meta?

 

[Asdioh]

I haven't read most of this page yet

Asdioh, I still want you to answer this.

I meant to answer this morning, but then work all day. I'll try to respond as closely to what my answer this morning was going to be. Basically, I wouldn't bother with a Swiss lynch D1, unless we were damn near positive he was going to flip scum. I am by no means positive he will flip scum, and I'm pretty sure nobody else is.
I'm blanking on who was in Awkward Moments, but if you saw that D1 fiasco where we tried to lynch Ryker, it basically ended up with him pushing the lynch onto someone else. Even if Swiss is town, he'll just push the lynch onto whoever he can to avoid getting lynched.

tl;dr I'd focus on another scumpick D1 I guess. \(o_o)/


Speaking of which, I'm second-guessing myself on the JTB lynch. It seems "too easy to be true" and I've remembered all those times where JTB got mislynched D1 for stupid reasons. I'm starting to think that if we lynch him, we'll mostly see a VT flip (or just a town flip, thanks to partial flips?)
inb4 meta


@people: Thoughts on a Seikend lynch? I don't know if he's posted yet, and I'd much, much rather have a claim before we lynch (remember when we lynched the inactive cop on D1 in awkward moments? yeah) but I would like to get rid of that slot ASAP if we don't have any obvious scum around here.

 

[Asdioh]

Also I have a hard time buying that you where just more concerned with getting content out than the quality of it, due to the fact that, even with a busy life, you've been producing a minimal amount of content that's still pretty shallow.

I've been producing a minimal amount of content imo but everybody seems to know I'm town. Which happens like, every game.

The only one who calls me town that I don't trust is Swiss. He's probably scum that's trying to get himself on my good side (even though he already is <3) so he can have me lynch the wrong person in lylo and have him win. Right Swiss?

Now I've got Swiss as either an independent or town. Further explanation along with answers to questions will come when i get access to a computer.

Sokr confirmed for serial killer

I've been considering JTB actually being town over the past few days

high five for me inadvertently parroting you

*everybody keeps messing up their quotes what the hell guys*

I'll stop rambling now. I'm working a lot this week, and Skyrim might be taking up my free time. Reconsider the JTB lynch if you're going through with it.

unvote
Vote: Seikend

Better placed vote for me.

 

[Kantrip]

Perfect. Now there are connections to be had with this JTB lynch.

@JTB: just clarifying - you're suggesting Sword is scum for leading your wagon without a case, right? You think he's trying to get you lynched without putting himself in the spotlight for it?

 

[Kantrip]

@Swiss: I'm not sure if you've actually let it be known thus far: Who do you want lynched?

@Asdioh/JTB/someone else with Disco Room: Could you confirm for adum that the conversation I quoted between John2k4 and myself occurred in Housepets?

@adumb: If you were a dayvig and had to kill someone right now, who would you pick?

 

[Asdioh]

@Kantrip: nope I'm hella lazy, and I don't see how gaining meta information is necessary for people to read someone in this game so I'm not going to.

I've never played with some of the people here and I think it's better that I don't attempt to gain meta info on them.

 

[Kantrip]

You can't even click the quotes in this post to verify that they say what I claim they say?

 

[Asdioh]

They say what you claim they say, I guess.

I don't know why we're still talking about RVS meta data on page 14. My thoughts are the same when I see Sword/Swiss talking about crap like "vig crumbs."

Am I just missing something?

Where is the mod to prod the inactives?

 

[Kantrip]

I don't know either but adum was tunneling really hard and wouldn't let that one point go.