Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Ryker]

You have potential, Sokr.

You like to think, you can apply logic and you have the courage to stand up to me.

Allow me to take you on a tour of my mind, I cannot promise you will like, 'nor understand what you see. I cannot promise you will return unscathed, I cannot promise you shall return at all. You have but one chance to turn.

Choose now.

You still wish to delve in to the recesses. I am not surprised, young warrior. Not surprised at all. Welcome to the mortuary, the place where logic comes to die, where impulse reigns and nothing is as it seems. Understand, intrepid intruder, understand that every post has meaning, every word chosen with care. In a world where all attempt to pin alignment from a few choice tells and styles, what need the enemy do? Not conform I hear you say? Indeed dear Sokr, if someone simply understands how others read them, what they look for, they are easy to deceive, to fool. The town is two dimensional, it is narrow minded and lacks edge. Lacks finesse. The world has one player that plays as I do, that sees as I do, that reads as I do, that understands as I do. Question, thoughtful traveller, question why some refuse to lynch me toDay regardless of my alignment? Because they are sure I am town? No-one could ever be. It's because the mortals, the others, they confined themselves when they started mafia, they confined themselves to playing as their IC's did, as the manuals told them to, as they were told how to. They were told what to look for in a scum, what to question, how to wagon. As a result, we have a creed of perfectly average players, unable to think beyond what they were taught.

What I did with Swords was simplistic, I loudly claimed he crumbed Vig - what does this do? It gives me his reaction. It gives me others' reactions. It gave me Swords' bizarre reaction, which I believe I now understand. Why must everything you say be true? Why must everything you say be your belief? You have seen others pressure with votes, why not look elsewhere? Do not take as advice to lie, take this as advice to think outside the box. Perhaps, in a later game, I'll explain my thought process in how I get reads.

Why didn't they want to disconnect Neo from the Matrix, Sokr? Because once the brain is accustomed to something, it is almost impossible to overcome the preconception.

You are new, a ruby in the rough, do not be cut to their standards. Cut to your own design. I can show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Give me 48 hours to look at Sokr and I can tell you whether or not Swiss is scum. If I think he isn't braindead, Swiss is town. If I think he's just another guy, Swiss is manipulative scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

My reasoning for an independentSwiss is that his scumhunting seems very legit to me, however he also pointed out the "vig crumbs" which would provide a target to the mafia. I also expect him to be making sure any night killing players do so to kill the maximum amount of players.
However I am hesitant to place any vote on you, Swiss, as you are very difficult to read. Unless you get copped, I don't think that will change.

@JTB i did some re reading between those posts and that changed my read.

This is hilarious.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Eh, I'm just gonna ISO Swiss and assume I won't be needing any further information.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus ()
2. John2k4 (1) Asdioh
3. Ryker ()
4. Sokr (1) Felipe
5. Kantrip (1) RR
6. Sworddancer. (2) adumbrodeus, JTB
7. JTB (5) Sworddancer, Swiss, Kantrip, Soup, July
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 (1) Ryker
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu ()

Not voting - John2k4, Sokr

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

The deadline has been extended by 24 hours.

Deadline is November 18th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Dude. My vote needs to be reset when I replace in.

Unvote

 

[Sokr]

If JTB is lycnhed and flips then I'll be looking at Swiss as not scum because of JTB's 561.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Quote it and explain.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If JTB is lycnhed and flips then I'll be looking at Swiss as not scum because of JTB's 561.

Don't be useless now.

 

[adumbrodeus]

No, this isn't happening, I was explicitly trying to avoid playing with you in the queue.


This game will inevitably devolve into us quibbling about everything that is mafia and I am not doing that again.


I'm done here.


request replacement

 

[Sokr]

Sokr, in your 349, you state that you have a null on both Swiss and Adumb. However, in your 353 just a few posts down, you state that Swiss is now a scum read and Adumb is now leaning town.

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Soup, explain to me how RR's 317 can be anything other than a null tell. Do you think if RR was scum, he would try to be demoralizing Tery to push him as a policy lynch?

I do agree with your 315 though.

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Anyways, reads because I feel like I have a strong enough grasp on what's going on.

Town

Asdioh - I've been finding my thoughts aligning with his (aside from his scum read on me of course), so I'm comfortable with him.

Sworddancer - Pretty much the same as Asdioh, his read on Kantrip due to the Adumb vote and Swiss pointing out the 'vig crumb' are things that also came up in my read. I don't agree with the Tery read though, but maybe that's just due to knowing how Tery usually plays.

Sokr - More so null leaning town. I agree with Adumb about Sokr's early 'push' on Swiss as town read, but not convinced he's town just yet.

Null

Tery - While his behavior this game does match that of his town play in his previous games, I have yet to see how he plays as scum as well so I don't really know how to read him yet.

July - Unsure how I feel about her. I would like her to answer my previous questions to her in my 427 and my 345.

felipe - No idea how to read felipe atm. I'll deal with that later.

Kantrip - This isn't so much a null but just a placeholder.

Soup - Placeholder for Soup as well, I want him to answer my questions.

Adumb - Want to see what he plans to do with the RVS information from me about Kantrip first.

Seikend - Nothing to go off on until he posts more.

Scum

Swiss - Nothing has made me feel better about Swiss since his first post. His pointing out a potential vig crumb, his post to RR saying that he should always be read as town, and trying to coerce town into following him/adumb/sword into a lynch. Then his vote on RR that he hasn't actually done anything with or even explained, he just placed it there (not randomly) and ignored it.

RR - More null leaning scummy than actually scum. I don't understand why his RVS vote on Adumb could not be moved until I posted according to his 168, it feels like he was predetermined to vote me but simply waiting on some content to jump on.

Vote: Swiss

Kantrip, wrt to your Housepets mafia vote on John, I want you to describe to me how you followed up on your vote because I don't see it at all.

Soup, I want you to explain your scum read on Seikend because I don't see how he can be anything except null with only 3 posts in the game.

And now I go to get Skyrim. brb never

His argument against Swiss is entirely composed of already said arguments. It's 0% original. This would ensure that he didn't bring up any bad or obviously made up arguments. I don't think he'd vote for another scum with previously brought up arguments as he may reinforce them and get one of his scummates lynched.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No, this isn't happening, I was explicitly trying to avoid playing with you in the queue.


This game will inevitably devolve into us quibbling about everything that is mafia and I am not doing that again.


I'm done here.


request replacement

So you're a little *****. Cool!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, I'm going to stalk you on the queue now.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

His argument against Swiss is entirely composed of already said arguments. It's 0% original. This would ensure that he didn't bring up any bad or obviously made up arguments. I don't think he'd vote for another scum with previously brought up arguments as he may reinforce them and get one of his scummates lynched.

Why's that? In fact, if these arguments haven't gotten him lynched, then why would they now? It lets him safely put a vote on his scummate to provoke a "he wouldn't do that response." What about his play makes you think he wouldn't risk it seeing as Swiss doesn't have votes and JTB does have votes. Looks like he could just as easily be trying to put some distance between the two of them in case he's lynched.

 

[Sokr]

Why's that? In fact, if these arguments haven't gotten him lynched, then why would they now? It lets him safely put a vote on his scummate to provoke a "he wouldn't do that response." What about his play makes you think he wouldn't risk it seeing as Swiss doesn't have votes and JTB does have votes. Looks like he could just as easily be trying to put some distance between the two of them in case he's lynched.

This was back a ways. I don't think there was a danger of JTB being lynched back then. And I'm flattered.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ryker, you already know that the two of us in a game is a recipe to automatically torpedo it, this has already happened twice in a row.


This isn't beef, I had your back with hentai mafia. This is dodging an inevitable trainwreck before it happens.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm taking it out of thread.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This was back a ways. I don't think there was a danger of JTB being lynched back then. And I'm flattered.

You still have proved nothing about that relationship to me.

 

[Kantrip]

Really, adumb? That defeats the whole purpose of Ryker replacing in in the first place....

So Ryker, you aren't planning on reading the game, or just not ALL of it?

 

[adumbrodeus]

withdrawing replacement request pending discussion with ryker and the mod.

 

[felipe_9595]

Lulz i remember newbie 14 xD

 

[Sokr]

You still have proved nothing about that relationship to me.

Why would i want to prove it to you? I'm just putting my speculations out there to see what other people think of them. obviously you don't agree. thank you for your input.

 

[Kantrip]

Sokr you're never going to get anywhere if you play like that.

You have a case? Show it. You have some speculation? Support it. You want to convey your points? Prove them.

 

[Sokr]

Actually ryker's right. Nvm, i have no case.

 

[Kantrip]

Do you have any solid reads so far?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi ryker, haven't played a game with you in awhile, mostly sidelined.

i'd ask you questions but i'm going to assume that you were 5 days late to RVS and will make them yourself.

 

[Sokr]

Is it possible to have solid reads without copping or killing?

 

[Kantrip]

Yes. I don't mean confirmed. I just mean a read that is fairly strong.

What ARE your strongest reads?

 

[Asdioh]

Ryker officially replaces Terywj.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KxVteYFwps

 

[Asdioh]

No, this isn't happening, I was explicitly trying to avoid playing with you in the queue.


This game will inevitably devolve into us quibbling about everything that is mafia and I am not doing that again.


I'm done here.


request replacement

Grow up, girls. Or just NK him dude.

Eh, I'm just gonna ISO Swiss and assume I won't be needing any further information.

I'd also recommend reading the first ~120 posts (3-4 pages on 40ppp) because there's a good deal there and it won't take long. After that, things get a bit repetitive for a while.

 

[John2k4]

*Page 4 out of 30, go to check on new posts*

I'd also recommend reading the first ~120 posts (3-4 pages on 40ppp) because there's a good deal there and it won't take long. After that, things get a bit repetitive for a while.

Ah, good. That helps.

 

[Asdioh]

and then do ISOs of people you want to get reads on or something.

 

[July]

Swiss, I need a summary of relevant information and Adum's alignment as I can't read him at all.

If deadline is approaching, I want an extension.

I don't really care for most of your opinions.

I will think that Adum and July are scum. We will see if I am right or if I just have to call them dumb and move on.

Really, you think I'm scum (despite the fact you haven't even read the game yet)...shocker

I do support this:

@MOD: Request Deadline Extension

So that replacements can catch up.

 

[Asdioh]

I don't support an extension. It will probably be a waste and it looks like we'll just lynch JTB either way.

:/

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Asdioh, shut the **** up.

Really, you think I'm scum (despite the fact you haven't even read the game yet)...shocker

I do support this:

@MOD: Request Deadline Extension

So that replacements can catch up.

I said I will, not that I do yet.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Actually ryker's right. Nvm, i have no case.

I LIKE this guy.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, for the record. If either Adum or myself flip scum, the other isn't.

 

[Asdioh]

Also, for the record. If either Adum or myself flip scum, the other isn't.

I can agree with this. Pulling this kind of bull**** drama in a mafia game would be a **** move.

le sigh

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ryker, get on skype, seriously. Gova's on, if you wanna discuss this, now's the time. Otherwise I'm just reinstating my replacement request.

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip

I can't really say. But I'll give you this:

adumbrodeous: he hasn't said enough to give me a direction to lean on him.
John24k: Who'd this guy replace? Seikend? If so then null for obvious reasons.
Ryker:Tery didn't give me a read until his "lynch me" thing which I thought seemed townie to me. Why would a scum player ask for a lynch? He seemed genuinely sure that his lynch would provide more reads than his gameplay. However, I'm definitely going to pay close attention to Ryker because two different personalities acting out the same person will give a better read I think.
Kantrip: You are confusing, I want to put you as town, but I am hesitant. Your scumhunting is seemed legit but I trust you in this about as far as I can throw you.
Sworddancer: I forget why I have him as town, but he hasn't said much/anything since I made that read so I'll stick with it.
JTB:When in mafia, do as everyone else. Jk. Again, I can't remember why I have him as such, but I do remember that it's a slight scum lean.
Swiss: I've given up trying to read him. For now.
Soupamario:His scumhunting seems to be genuine. However, this is a hesitant lean.
Felipe:His efforts to get reads on people, although clumsy, do seem legit.
July: There's thing I like and things I don't like about her. One minute she's doing some legit scumhunting, the next she's saying some shady things. I know I should bring up examples but I'm too tired/lazy to do so. Plus it's a null read so it doesn't really matter anyway.
Asdioh:Basically the same as Soup.
Red Ryu: I don't have enough on him to form a read. I should probably get to that.

Again, I know I should make more of a case out of these and bring up quotes, but I'm to tired to do so.

And I was going to say something else.... to someone.... think the name started with an A...... nah it's gone.

 

[Sokr]

And do we really need an extension? The new players can cast a vote if they want and feel it makes sense, then catch up over the night phase.