Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[Sokr]

Also, Ryker have you gotten your role pm yet? I want to know if i should be judging you.

 

[Kantrip]

@Kantrip

I can't really say. But I'll give you this:

adumbrodeous: he hasn't said enough to give me a direction to lean on him.
John24k: Who'd this guy replace? Seikend? If so then null for obvious reasons.
Ryker:Tery didn't give me a read until his "lynch me" thing which I thought seemed townie to me. Why would a scum player ask for a lynch? He seemed genuinely sure that his lynch would provide more reads than his gameplay. However, I'm definitely going to pay close attention to Ryker because two different personalities acting out the same person will give a better read I think.
Kantrip: You are confusing, I want to put you as town, but I am hesitant. Your scumhunting is seemed legit but I trust you in this about as far as I can throw you.
Sworddancer: I forget why I have him as town, but he hasn't said much/anything since I made that read so I'll stick with it.
JTB:When in mafia, do as everyone else. Jk. Again, I can't remember why I have him as such, but I do remember that it's a slight scum lean.
Swiss: I've given up trying to read him. For now.
Soupamario:His scumhunting seems to be genuine. However, this is a hesitant lean.
Felipe:His efforts to get reads on people, although clumsy, do seem legit.
July: There's thing I like and things I don't like about her. One minute she's doing some legit scumhunting, the next she's saying some shady things. I know I should bring up examples but I'm too tired/lazy to do so. Plus it's a null read so it doesn't really matter anyway.
Asdioh:Basically the same as Soup.
Red Ryu: I don't have enough on him to form a read. I should probably get to that.

Again, I know I should make more of a case out of these and bring up quotes, but I'm to tired to do so.

And I was going to say something else.... to someone.... think the name started with an A...... nah it's gone.

Thank you.

There's a lot of nulls here and no real scum reads. Your mission is to find out why Sword is town and find out why JTB is scum (or if in your searching you change your mind, then explain that), and to try and move some of those nulls in one direction or the other (you can exclude inactives from this, and you can exclude Swiss as you have been hurting your head over him).

Do as much of this as you can. No rush either.

 

[Kantrip]

@July, what is your read on Swiss, adum, and Sword?

@Sword, If you had to kill someone right now and it couldn't be JTB, who would it be?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, Ryker have you gotten your role pm yet? I want to know if i should be judging you.

Yah .

 

[Kantrip]

Judge him, Sokr. Judge him good.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Really, adumb? That defeats the whole purpose of Ryker replacing in in the first place....

So Ryker, you aren't planning on reading the game, or just not ALL of it?

I plan on reading it when and if I feel that I WANT to read it. If something sparks me, I'll get into this game. If not, I'll go from here.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, get on skype, seriously. Gova's on, if you wanna discuss this, now's the time. Otherwise I'm just reinstating my replacement request.

Wasn't around then.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright Ryker.

Does having Tery claim VT and advocate his own lynch spark you?

 

[Swiss]

Someone is, then the jig is up Swiss.

The figure cursed.

Then ran away.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No.

If you're going to lynch me because he did what he ALWAYS does, then whatever. He played like trash and outed my role like an *******. It's whatever though. Scum can kill me or they can leave me around for a shot at a PR.

In any case, was that a threat? In fact, don't answer, I'll answer for you. It was indeed a threat. Make good on it since you obviously think I'm a possible scum when I'm all but cleared.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The figure cursed.

Then ran away.

Weren't you complaining about me not playing the games you were in somewhere else?

 

[Swiss]

Swiss, I need a summary of relevant information and Adum's alignment as I can't read him at all.

If deadline is approaching, I want an extension.

I don't really care for most of your opinions.

I will think that Adum and July are scum. We will see if I am right or if I just have to call them dumb and move on.

I've missed you, man.

@ Everyone, remember when I said about the Swiss, Adum, Swords triangle? This is now the Swiss, Ryker, Adum triangle. Ryker is the second best player on Dgames. I took him under my wing.

Adum is town for now. No need to pressure or get into a messy vote grabbing contest VS him. Which we'd win anyway.

This is hilarious.

Do not judge him by his poor mechanic knowledge or else you might as well get on my *** already.

If JTB is lycnhed and flips then I'll be looking at Swiss as not scum because of JTB's 561.

Ryker being my ally or my enemy depends very much on you not being a dumb ****. Please, don't let me down.

I LIKE this guy.

Swiss slowly turned. Ryker had seen the gleam, the promise, the spark.

Now, lemme rustle up a synopsis for you. And didn't you replace Seik? Or was that wishful thinking?

 

[Swiss]

Relevant information:

Asdioh town, July town, Kantrip town, Felipe town, Swords leans town as does Adum, but Adum thinks Swords is scum. JTB lynch by default looks likely but everyone is getting cold feet and no-one is willing to champion it or claim responsibility, even myself am aling for the ride, so can't really comment. Swords crumbed vig earlier toDay. Sokr is smart but newbie, I claimed dibs on him - he gets free reign to learn as he wants (please do this irrelevant of alignment, he has the potential Reyth did, just with less finesse). ToMorrow the pressure will be hitting players like RR and John, when one of them will likely be lynched.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Is RR scum? Does it really matter?

 

[Swiss]

Probably. In the sense of needing all scum dead, yes. In the sense of being afraid of his skills of manipulation an deceit, not so much.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

As in, is he scum? Is his lynch inevitable?

 

[Swiss]

I dislike him, but cannot remember my reasons. I'll give him an ISO when I get back from town.

His lynch isn't inevitable, Swords might shoot him.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vigging sounds fun from a stereotypical RR perspective. I have no idea what he's done here.

Swiss can be town right now.

If I told you unbiasedly that JTB doesn't give a **** about the game right now, would that change anything about his lynch? What's he done?

I'll probably be willing to put him at L-1 at the end of today.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Swiss: I've given up trying to read him. For now.

God, but you are hilarious.

 

[Swiss]

So I'mma be really late for my mates. *******s decided to meet at the pub.

YEAH SWISS CAN'T DRINK ALCOHOL, LET'S ALL GO TO THE PUB.

@ Ryker. Nope. Nothing,

 

[Swiss]

Random comma for no reason

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What happened to your alcohol consumption?

Sworddancer, do you agree with my analysis of Swiss's interaction with Sokr?

 

[Swiss]

On medication so can can't drink, ****head friends insta-troll me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ryker I think Swiss will be manipulative no matter what his alignment. That said, I see the argument in Swiss being scum if Skor's not worth the effort, as in that case Swiss shouldn't actually care to take Sokr "under his wing" or whatever. Instead he'll just be blowing hot air to get Sokr to follow him.

It wouldn't make Swiss more scummy than my scum picks right now, but it rise an eyebrow. As in, he'll go down from my lean town to my lean scum category. So have at it with that Sokr investigation.

Kantrip it would have to be RR, as already explained.

Ryker since you want people to point out things that we find relevent, I will like to direct you to my case of JTB. This is basically the main reason why we're lynching him toDay.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No, this isn't happening, I was explicitly trying to avoid playing with you in the queue.


This game will inevitably devolve into us quibbling about everything that is mafia and I am not doing that again.


I'm done here.


request replacement

...really?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@July:

Asdioh is null, no impression thus far.

Adumb is town, him v Kantrip solidified that along with his push on Swords, though that is reading TvT to me.

Swords is leaning town.

I should get to you response to my case on Kantrip I guess, just don't wanna atm.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus ()
2. John2k4 (1) Asdioh
3. Ryker ()
4. Sokr (1) Felipe
5. Kantrip (1) RR
6. Sworddancer. (2) adumbrodeus, JTB
7. JTB (5) Sworddancer, Swiss, Kantrip, Soup, July
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu ()

Not voting - John2k4, Sokr, Ryker

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is November 18th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[felipe_9595]

Internet got cut, but dont worry, i can still go to cybers and the like to post.

 

[July]

@July, what is your read on Swiss, adum, and Sword?

@Sword, If you had to kill someone right now and it couldn't be JTB, who would it be?

Swiss is a town read for me, he's been scumhunting but more importantly he's been asking questions and putting pressure on people to get to their intent or thinking about how they would answer it as town v. as scum, and he's been following up on those reads.

Adum I also have a town lean on, I thought the interactions with Kantrip had a set purpose and that was to see how consistent he was with explaining his intent. I also liked the little bit of Swords v. Adum that was going on, because my read on Swords is slightly scummy.

The thing with Swords is that everything he says sounds good on the surface, so for a while I liked his content for the most part but wasn't sure where he was going with it or how genuine he was. There were also little things like this:

Uhhhh . . . . Quick! I need someone else to take a stance. Just two is pretty lousy.

uhhhhh . . . RR! RR, what do you think of Kantrip. That;s an issue that I do not believe you've weighed in on. Yeah.

That were honestly just strange and seem a bit out of character for him, but that's just nothing conclusive.

But these posts stood out to me and made me question Swords' motives:

Spoiler

So your attacking me because I set my stances up so that I could change them if need be. Okay then, in that case you should know the first time I have taken stances, most of the changes that I have made to my reads is strengthening them. I just haven't been all that vocal about it. If your interested in them, then ask for them. If your waiting for me to just say it naturally without outside influence, then I don't know what else to say but that I will when I feel like it.

I've been pretty firm with all of my stances in general, beside from maybe Tery who I called "iffy" as of late, so I don't know where this wishy-washyness has been coming from. I think your honestly focusing too much on my first post, where my reads are weaker then they are now. Again, if you think I'm playing too safe with my stances then ask for them and "force" me to take them, because I ensure you I will.

I don't know what you mean by "bad schoolarship" or how it's scummy.

I have followed up on some of my questions, but not many, admitttingly. Most of my questions are designed for future reference, i.e. information to reference latter. Not everything needs to be followed up on.

Do you define JTB as a safe push? Are you going to let people get off the hook just because pushing them is easy? I will not lie, noticing the scum in JTB was pretty easy, but so what? That doesn't make him any less scummy.

Don't be generic, just because someone is easy to push (which JTB is, as he looks like fairly obvious scum to me) doesn't mean that the push is bad.



So what if the case was bad? That's just the effect that you're reading into the case, not the intent. Kantrip honestly thought you were scummy, the fact that is was for poor reasoning just means that he didn't think it through thoroughly. At worst, it should be interpret as anti-town. I find though that there was genuine effort in Kantrip's part.

Also considering what else he's done, like attack Felipe and analysis your posts as of late, only serve to strengthen that genuine effort read that I'm getting out of him.



Perhaps because his scummates told him to make a RVS vote to look natural? It's a possibility.



I don't know what the shotgun approach is.

Is Felipe more scummy now because of that? Can you not see it from his point of view how it may of appeared that Sokr was being cautious?


Refer to the above, I've gained stronger stances since, but I just haven't stated them.



If you want me to elaborate then I'll do it tomorrow. Off to a tournament today and all.



I know what I've reed, and I reed three people consecutively jump one of my town reads because he was being "too defensive," which I find to be a week case in general. I didn't menton this before, but on top of that I didn't really even find anything about Kantrip's defense to be abnormal.



No.

Nothing about the fact that JTB has been somewhat inactivity has anything to do with the fact that his posts are weak, shallow, and forced. You're seriously going to be giving scum free passes if you're simply going to excuse them for stuff like this.

Read list for Adumb:

Soup
Kantrip
Asdioh
Swiss
Adumb
July
RR
Skor
Tery
Seikend

JTB

Explanation after tourny.

Deadline is in 4 days, not counting this one. Now would be a good time for JTB to claim.

Kantrip I haven't put any thought into who I would go with next after a JTB scum/town flip.
A lot of it depends on how the rest of the day pans out. However, by default itf he flips town then I'll probably be looking into Seikend/one of my null reads. If he flips scum then I'll definitely be rereading this game over the Night to look for connections (that's actually why I wanted a read list out of him btw). Seikend scum doesn't necessarily seem more likely just because of a JTB scum flip, but it's still a definite possibility. Since neither player has really interacted with another there exists no specific connections to speak of.



Ah yes, getting back to these after I said I would.

Soup is looking fairly obvious town to me. There are several reasons for this. One , he has been the most active when it comes to giving out stances, and he's often one of the first to give them. So basically he's taking the lead, and we know from this that his stances are original. Not only this, but I recall him going against the tide in several instances to do what he believed in, which adds to his genuine nature. It doesn't hurt that his reads match mine.

Kantrip town read is more or less for the same reason as Soup town read. He appears to be genuinely trying to scum hunt to me. Whenever he pushes someone I can see why he would think that as a newb townie. He also seems to be trying to produce content with questions and all, so yeah.

Sure, his Adumb push was a bad OMGUS, but that's honestly a natural reaction less experienced players have. Same thing with being "overly defensive." If someone feels thy are being threaten by someone then they are more likely to find evil in what is threatening them. Hell, in a way that's part of what kept Adumb on Kantrip for so long.

Asdioh reads townie just because he seems to be on top of things. Stuff like giving out stances which I can agree, making observations and all. Uh, and that's it. Kinda lazy here on him but I'm pretty sure if Asdioh was scum then I'll know it.

Swiss is definite making some keen observations, and his reads are similar to mine. Other then that, he hasn't left all that much of an impact on me.

Btw if this guy is still alive on Day 3 then I want you guys to lynch him on general policy. Unless he's playing like *** or some PR claims then he really shouldn't be alive by then. Just, you know, lynch him if he's alive too long.

Also I'm dropping the whole vig question now. There is no reason for anyone to ask that question either way.

July is the same thing as Swiss. Has stated reads that are similar to mine (just as supporting that JTB push) and has made some observations, but again not much else of impact has been left on me by her. Her style seems to me to be a bit of sideline commentary, but then I remember that she does that pretty much no matter what alignment so I can't really take that for anything but null. I don't know what she plans to do with that Sokr vote and I'll like here to tell me/remind me.

Felipe has been very open and honest this game, just as openly admitting things that someone could use against that I honestly don't think he'll have the courage to do as
scum. Otherwise he's somewhat lacking in stances so I'm keeping him out of the obvious town category. Maybe if he picks it up I'll let him in.

I'm changing my read on Sokr from null to slight noob town despite the fact that he seems to be cautious of things. I can see noob town doing that to, and he hasn't totally avioded stances. Mainly though, I'm just going to again be lazy and call him gut.

RR and Tery are both iffy people who could go either way. It's tempting to call both Tery and Sokr noob town, but I really don't know, just because meta scum Tery has acted the same as well. Tery's kinda stancless and that Felipe vote doesn't really convince me at all. RR on the other hand has just been out of mind to me honestly. He's a super case of someone with no real impact, which means I should investigate him more, I guess.

Seikend is slight scum for being super stanceless, but since he's legit inactive that keeps me from calling him definite scum. Really I'm just hyper focused on

JTB, who I've already explained.

In the first post there is clearly some tension between Adum and Swords and Swords obviously thinks that Adum is wrong, but whether or not he is scummy is another question. Swords lists him as a lean town it seems, along with Swiss and myself.

In his next post he gives explanations for his reads on everyone but Adum. He could have just forgotten about Adum, but without any explanation for his read on him after there has been this little battle between them it makes me think about the mechanics of the system that Swiss suggested be put into place at the beginning of the game.

If two of myself, Adum and Swords want the third lynched, lynch that third player on the provision the other two are scrutinised and one randomly lynched if the target flips town.

In this scenario, I would expect town players in that group to put pressure on the others, try and get a solid read and not to be particularly concerned about what the others think of you. At this point in the game, I would expect scum to keep the other two people on their good side, so playing safe and not pissing anybody off. That was the immediate motive I saw behind Swords listing Swiss and Adum as leaning town, and Adum has pointed out on multiple occasions that Swords play seems safe. It's by no means a confident read of mine, but Swords is someone I have my eye on for sure.

I like Sokr's #639, it's what I've been looking for out of him all Day, now if he could just put a vote down and start pushing a case I'd be super happy. Anyways looking a little more town to me.

RR's #666 doesn't make me feel any better about him, very safe stances except for the Asdioh read which is still pretty safe but not "popular town opinion" safe.

 

[John2k4]

Asidoh - before I replaced Seik, why had you voted him? Was it just an RVS thing?

 

[Asdioh]

Deadline is the 18th now? Cool.
While at work, I suddenly got remotivated to get more into this game, so I'll be attempting that tonight. For now, food and Mt. Dishmore.

What's the status on the Ryker/Adumb silliness? I'd much prefer it if Adumb didn't replace out, he seemed like a pretty cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything except for being in games with ryker

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Deadline is the 18th now? Cool.
While at work, I suddenly got remotivated to get more into this game, so I'll be attempting that tonight. For now, food and Mt. Dishmore.

What's the status on the Ryker/Adumb silliness? I'd much prefer it if Adumb didn't replace out, he seemed like a pretty cool guy that doesn't afraid of anything except for being in games with ryker

Asdioh, Swiss says you're town. I can't read you for balls. Have you ever been scum before?

 

[Asdioh]

Out of all my games in Dgames, I was only scum in D.gray Man mafia. I have been obvtown in pretty much every single dgames game except for that one, where people actually suspected me for once. Since when have you been unable to read me?

unvote

@John: Swiss said Seikend was scum after one post, and Swiss is always right, so that should be reason enough. If it isn't enough, then I voted for your slot because I'm not at all convinced that JTB is scum and we were in a pretty crappy situation with multiple people replacing out at once. Seikend's slot has done nothing, and I would be perfectly content to get rid of it ASAP so we don't have a question mark later in the game.


I am going to re-read (assuming I didn't skim it the first time) Sword's case on JTB tonight, and look through JTB's posts.

Before I do, I want to look at this:
7. JTB (5) Sworddancer, Swiss, Kantrip, Soup, July

Sword obviously claims to think JTB is scum.
Swiss is on the wagon for the hell of it and/or thinks JTB is scum.
Kantrip I'm unsure about. He didn't seem too convinced on JTB's scumminess.
Soup outright said that he thought JTB was leaning town around the same time that I did, but he wants to lynch him anyway.
July I forgot.

What I want to ask is this: if you outright claim that a JTB lynch will get connections long before the lynch actually occurs, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? If anything, I would think the people that say "let's lynch this guy for connections" would seem the scummiest because they seem to already know the person is going to flip town. Meanwhile, scum will be aware that the lynch is mostly for connections, so they will be extra careful to forge the right connections, or lack thereof. The lynch will become essentially pointless.

To make my stance clear, I would prefer a JTB lynch over a No Lynch, but I've felt for the past few days that we could find a better lynch.

Mountain Dew Voltage is really good.


unvote again so it's at the bottom of the post

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I was previously looking at avoiding another claim and how everybody responded to it, but there hasn't been much, if you think about it.

asdioh, this game has 13 players, only 5-6 have been active, and most of them are pretty damn townie in my eyes.

of course i consider JTB being town, and if JTB wants to push swords more (note how he thinks swords is scum but has yet to make any solid statement about it) and prove his towniness, that's fine by me, but i'm not going to let my second thoughts deter from something that could prove beneficial.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

you can also look at this another way: "who hasn't responded to the JTB lynch?"

or "who has?"

i can't solidly say i'm not getting information out of this, because i am, i think your hesistance and over-thinking a ML on D1 is incredibly townie, mostly because you're willing to consider him being town and you're not sure if this is going to provide much.

If we lynch JTB and he flips scum, though, i'll have to re-think this thought, but i don't think you would be so bold to try and save your scum-pard at this moment.

Asdioh, technically, Seikend is Ryker now, do you have any questions for him at all?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Still trying to actually catch ryker on skype while gova's online to discuss this, i explained my reasons to gova already. I'm just not comfortable with continuing in this game atm.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@mod Is JTB in line for replacement or is he just inactive?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

adum, assert your feelings and doubt aside and play the game, i don't think you need to worry about the game torpedoing and nothing getting done, if you're town and ryker is pushing on you, you will prove to me that you are town, and the same will go to ryker.

the only difference is experience and skill level, but there would be no difference for replacements to but heads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if this is a personal qualm, then i can't stop you, but if it's fear for something game-related, then i insist you do not replace out.

 

[Asdioh]

you can also look at this another way: "who hasn't responded to the JTB lynch?"

or "who has?"

i can't solidly say i'm not getting information out of this, because i am, i think your hesistance and over-thinking a ML on D1 is incredibly townie, mostly because you're willing to consider him being town and you're not sure if this is going to provide much.

If we lynch JTB and he flips scum, though, i'll have to re-think this thought, but i don't think you would be so bold to try and save your scum-pard at this moment.

I agree with all of this. Therefore, you are town.

Asdioh, technically, Seikend is Ryker now, do you have any questions for him at all?

I'm pretty sure he hasn't read much, so I don't really know what to ask him.

Do you have any questions for him? :3

@Ryker: what do you think of a JTB lynch? It's the most relevant question to ask anyone at this point.

I wish JTB was actually here though.