Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I've never heard of a one-shot ability getting used up when the person is roleblocked.

I have.

Same role, Fire Emblem mafia where I was mafia roleblocker.

 

[July]

I've never heard of a one-shot ability getting used up when the person is roleblocked.

And why is it surprising he claimed to use it N1? Wouldn't you do the same? Regardless of what Day he uses it, we'd get a ton of information out of it. Then, consider the fact that the longer he waits, the more likely he is to get NKed, and the fact that there would be less players alive in the future, making for less players to roleblock, meaning the chance of any individual getting roleblocked is higher.

In my head it makes sense for one shot abilities to be used up if roleblocked, so I always ask for clarification. I think of it this way: If you have one bullet in a gun and you shoot it at someone (send in your night action) but get blocked by a tree or building or whatever before your bullet hits the target, your shot is gone. I realize its different in mafia and that's why I ask, because honestly it could go either way.

And I never said it was surprising, but I want to hear what his motivation was for using it last Night, separate from my own beliefs on when to use it. I would have preferred if you hadn't answered that question before he did :-/

 

[adumbrodeus]

Swords claim is unconfirmable and generally doesn't sit right, still need to think on it.

@july: I agree, I get a similar impression, but paired with his mechanical scumhunting and I'm wondering if there's an opposite reason for knowing something.


@RR: Use word for the future, and I still expect that case. Why is asdioh merely leaning scum instead of scum if you were planning on making a case on him?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i really want to kick John2k4 first, but...

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm up to post 500 in my reread.

July there are three reasons why I used it Night 1.

1. Besides from Swiss, who I was null on at the time, I had a town read/lean on everyone on the JTB wagon. It would of been great if I could of gotten a wagon full of townies, as it would of pretty much confirmed all scum to be in a group of 5. If there were any scum on there then great, at least I would no to reevaluate things.
2. As Asdioh stated, I didn't know how long I was going to live. The longer I waited the more risk there is added.
3. It was my backup plan if JTB was a mislynched. "Even if JTB is a mislynch, then at least I can still take a census and still get a good amount of information off of it that way" I thoguht.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus ()
2. John2k4 (3) Sokr, Soup, Kantrip
4. Sokr ()
5. Kantrip ()
6. Sworddancer.(4) adumbrodeus, Swiss, felipe, John2k4
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu (2) July, Asdioh

Not voting - Sworddancer, RR

With 11 playing, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is December 2nd at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[John2k4]

@Mod - you have it listed that Swords has five votes, but there are 4 names...Mis-count?

Spoiler

Or Double Voter..

 

[Sokr]

I'm fine with a Sword lynch because if his claim is legit, he's useless because his power was used up. And if it isn't then I have a scum read on him. I'm not putting my vote there now however because I don't think we want a hammer before we're ready.

Unvote

 

[Asdioh]

I'm up to post 500 in my reread.

July there are three reasons why I used it Night 1.

1. Besides from Swiss, who I was null on at the time, I had a town read/lean on everyone on the JTB wagon. It would of been great if I could of gotten a wagon full of townies, as it would of pretty much confirmed all scum to be in a group of 5. If there were any scum on there then great, at least I would no to reevaluate things.
2. As Asdioh stated, I didn't know how long I was going to live. The longer I waited the more risk there is added.
3. It was my backup plan if JTB was a mislynched. "Even if JTB is a mislynch, then at least I can still take a census and still get a good amount of information off of it that way" I thoguht.

Why's this sound so townie?

 

[Kantrip]

Good point, July. I hadn't thought about the fact that being roleblocked may still expend his use of the action. If this is the case, then my opinion changes. I'd be fine with John or Swords at that point. I'm at around the same point with both of them. Sword's scumminess balanced against his usefulness compared to John's scumminess balanced against his usefulness. It's pretty equal to me.

 

[Kantrip]

?Asdioh: (RR) > (John) > Sword
Kantrip: (Sword) > (John) > RR
July: Sword > (RR) > (John)
Adum: Sword > John > RR
Swiss: Sword > John > RR
?Sokr: RR > Sword > John
?Soup: (John) > (Sword) > RR
?felipe: Sword > (John) > (RR)

Red Ryu = 18 pts
John2k4 = 14 pts
Sworddancer. = 11 pts

Alright, town is more united in this decision and the lynch seems pretty clear. Are we still waiting on a case against Asdioh from Red Ryu? Is that all that drags this day on? It's really stagnating at this point, and I honestly think we're done here.

Sokr, feel free to put your vote on if you are fine with this lynch. We won't be hammering until we need to (unless he quickhammers himself but in that case he's scum anyways and it really doesn't matter), so you needn't worry about it.

Just making sure, Swords, you confirmed that the use of your Night Action is indeed expended, right? You no longer have any abilities?

 

[John2k4]

Kanty, how did those points work...I don't remember seeing them explained. More points is...better?

 

[Kantrip]

Basically, top lynch pick gets 1 point, second pick gets 2 points, third pick gets 3 points. If someone has more points, it means they were placed at 2nd or 3rd on the lynch list more. The person with the lowest amount of points is the top lynch choice for us as a collective.

 

[Kantrip]

John2k4, did you give me that read on Swiss that I asked for?

 

[John2k4]

No, I do not believe I have. I shall do this now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I's have to rewrite the case...>.>

I wanna be lazy...

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip

I change it to

Sword, John, RR

Vote: Sword

 

[John2k4]

Alright, Swiss from D2:

First off, a lot of his posts initially confused me completely, so skimming would get me nowhere with them (esp. his early D2).
Why does he keep asking people for their stances on me?


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Sound logic Swiss, applied strongly. Though I must admit to being slightly more secure knowing that, from any reasonable actions used on me last night, you would not suspect me (by unreasonable, I mean insane cops, gravediggers, paranoid gun owners etc). Wait, did Swiss just crumb VT, or simply town? I shoudl re-read that.

What is this I don't even

Mass claim is potential, then we can set up actions.

Not having some roles claim, regardless of who has them. Setting us up for a fall. (Not a PR crumb - I crumbed that elsewhere)

PR Crumb elsewhere. Interesting.
Why tell some roles to not claim, if you're doing a MC anyways?

Unless, Swiss...nah, no way would he do that.

No comment, more confusion

July, Adum - I got what I wanted from Swords with the gambits.

Swords can die.

Just said that you wanted me dead. Do you have solid scumpicks then?

Out of game info:

I lie a lot. It was entirely plausible that I was lying previously, especially given my innate distrust of Adum.

I'll confirm that post game. Though most players here will probably could now as well.

And then...

Not that I'm lying at all in this game.

FYI.

Would never do that.

No way.

Those combined. I have no words to describe this other than: Why? Why even post this?

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[Kantrip]

Do you find his asking everyone for stances on you scummy, John?

Is that a case against him, by the way? You find him scummy, right?

 

[John2k4]

Honestly, although some of his posts are driving me crazy with confusion, I do not feel he is scum.

 

[Kantrip]

So what happened to your gut reaction to him earlier, in which you said he was an "ehhhhhh" to you? You said he seemed too confident. Has that changed? If so, why? Or is it that you see it in a different light? If it is this, please explain.

 

[Asdioh]

I's have to rewrite the case...>.>

I wanna be lazy...

:/

unvote
Vote: Asdioh

I got an in coming case.

Swords and John also need to die.

You wrote that over 3 days ago. I didn't care about the fact that the case was on me, I cared more that you would actually be doing something in this game that would help me get a read on you. The deadline is almost here. The chances of you getting lynched toDay are extremely low. Part of this is because you coasted the Day, promising a case so people are like "oh ok I'll hold off on my RR read until after that case." Meanwhile, Sword took all the heat while you sat in the background and did nothing. How is this not scummy as hell?

 

[Asdioh]

Just making sure, Swords, you confirmed that the use of your Night Action is indeed expended, right? You no longer have any abilities?

If I were Swords, and telling the truth about being that claimed role, I would lie if I had to and say "Yes my power was expended."
That way, the RB wouldn't target me again, and if I could use my power still, then I could do it unhindered.

In other words, it's a bad question. You either believe his claim, or you don't. Keep him alive if you think he's town, or lynch him if you think he's scum.

 

[Kantrip]

That's a good point, Asdioh. I suppose the question doesn't really mean much if Swords is town, you're right.

I think he's scum, though.

And I am pretty content with the Day at this point. Do you think it is worthwhile to wait for that case on you? The fact that Red Ryu hasn't bothered sharing it is enough for me for now. It's not like I expect it to be good, but I guess you never know. Maybe he's found some major scum tells of yours that everyone else is completely missing?

Spoiler

lolno

Unvote

 

[Asdioh]

I don't care. I would have preferred a RR or John lynch toDay, but they seem unlikely, and Sword is fine. I think he said he has more coming? My only regret is that he started to look town in his last couple of posts, and if he's really rereading the thread and giving last thoughts, there's no way a scum would do that. The problem is, it could also be scum giving a last desperate attempt to stay alive. It was pretty much too late for him to start looking town. What I really want to hear from him are his top 3 scumpicks if he flips town.

RR, you can wait on that case if you want. The chance of me getting lynched toDay is pretty much zero. The chance of me getting lynched in the future is close to that as well, but don't let that stop you :mistyface:

 

[Kantrip]

Asdioh why are you always so obvtown? It's painful.

Anyways, yeah I agree with getting Swords in here again to share dem scumpicks.

 

[Swiss]

Kantrip I'm Swords > RR > John. I assumed that was clear from my post.

Not that we should follow ascoring system rigidly anyway. That would mean Soup's opinion has the same influence as mine. Which just isn't right.

Content @ lunch

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

:/

You wrote that over 3 days ago. I didn't care about the fact that the case was on me, I cared more that you would actually be doing something in this game that would help me get a read on you. The deadline is almost here. The chances of you getting lynched toDay are extremely low. Part of this is because you coasted the Day, promising a case so people are like "oh ok I'll hold off on my RR read until after that case." Meanwhile, Sword took all the heat while you sat in the background and did nothing. How is this not scummy as hell?

I don't wanna rewrite everything.

Though I could today if I get to it.

 

[Sokr]

Asdioh raises a good point. I wont vote for Sword.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Sworddancer or John.

Vote: Sworddancer.

 

[Swiss]

The scumminess of that post physcially hurts me.

 

[Swiss]

Can't even type properly.

/Lrn2typenewb

 

[Kantrip]

Did Red Ryu just steal the hammer from me?

DOC - WIFOM your protect between me and adum

COP - Investigate between RR and John.

These are regardless of flip.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait that was hammer?

Crap I miscounted.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss I'll make it up to you, I'll send ya a present to Europe.

 

[Sokr]

Shoot, my vote was on Sword?
Unvote if I still can.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You can't...I hammered like an idiot... ;_;

 

[felipe_9595]

You can't...I hammered like a mafia... ;_;

Fixed for future references

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Wait I was hammered? Man I didn't even get to reread.

Okay gotta make this quick.

I really was town, and the censes taker.

Lynch RR toMorrow. If he's town then lynch July, who fits with a John/July scumteam.

Nothing keeps RR and John from not being scum togather.

I'm more confident in a RR scum than a John scum. John may just be a newbie town. RR has some of the most gross reads this game. I think he's just doing that to look oringal. Not only that but he pretty much only started to have me and John as scum after EVERYONE else had suspicion of us.

Soup could be you're third scum. IDK, he looked really townie at first, but upon further inspectiuon he appeared much too agreeable Day 1.

Adumb is a **** but is probably town.

Lynch Swiss if you lynch scum toMorrow and he's still alive the next Day.

Asdioh and Kantrip are town.

July I'm null on. She has been very insightful and attentive, but her style of play seems to be of something that she could fake as scum. She's not scummy, I just can't find something solid to hook on for her.

Felipe and Sokr are bth a dumb something. Sokr feels more open than Felipe, so Felipe is more likely scum then him.

If RR is scum then Sokr is not.

Sorry I don't have time to point out my evidence, I'm typing this really fast, hoping that the flip doesn't come up.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Btw I DID still have that shoot. I also did reread all of Day 1, I just never got to Day 2.

Some more stuff on your third hidden scum:

Okay guys, so with my flip you will all know that the commonly acceapted scum team of me/John/RR isn't completly the truth. RR and John could still definitly be scum, in matter of fact I can almost guentee that at least one scum lies inbetween them. However, now you will all know that there is at least one scum hiding amoungst the town. Don't panic, don't get paranoid, but definitly reevaluate your scum reads.

More stuff about July:

I say that a her/John scumteam fits due to her lack of interaction with him. Day 1 she had him as a complete null read due to inactivity despite the fact that Seikend did make a couple of posts. It's a bit odd that she didn't go over these, since she is usually really good at going over pretty much everything in immaculate detail. The John/July connection doesn't hurt due to her having him as the backburned lynch for so long.

She could, I guess, be scum with RR to, but I would look for more likely pairings then that first.

If you want to know anything else then ask now or forever hold your peace.