Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[Asdioh]

If two of myself, Adum and Swords want the third lynched, lynch that third player on the provision the other two are scrutinised and one randomly lynched if the target flips town.

So ****'s getting serious now?

 

[Asdioh]

Sword is at L-2 by the way, and should probably be left there for now.

 

[Swiss]

Still no case from RR, and a wagon change to Sword? I'm ok with this, I guess, considering he's RR's scummate.

Vote: Sworddancer

@Adum and/or Swiss: just to reiterate, can you tell me why Sword is scum in approximately one sentence?

Careful, non-committal, because we say so.

 

[Swiss]

So ****'s getting serious now?

Quite so, Asdioh.

 

[Asdioh]

Careful, non-committal, because we say so.

What about the JTB wagon?

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adum and/or Swiss: just to reiterate, can you tell me why Sword is scum in approximately one sentence?

This:

Also, why go after the people Adumb was attacking (like me! ) if he had a guilty on him?

It's indicative of his general play, that he's more concerned about personal survival then scumhunting.

What about the JTB wagon?

JTB simply didn't say anything, what he said was just as indicative of somebody who wasn't reading as somebody who was trying to fake content. This isn't true of swords.

 

[John2k4]

I'm not sure whether this comes from being a newer player, being a replacement, or being scum that's trying to avoid making connections. Possibly a combination of the three.

This.
I'll save the Johns for postgame, but replacing in is something I won't do again.

Yes I am a newer player, and I'll be honest right here: I read about 6 pages in, then my eyes refused to go any further. Most of my stances are from D2, but I am researching people's D1 when cases are made on them and I feel I need to go see what they did.

 

[Kantrip]

@Swiss: Is Swords mafia, or an indy?

@Red Ryu: Your thoughts on a Swords lynch? Your thoughts on a John lynch? Assume the only three options for your vote are Sword, John, and yourself. Where does your vote go?

 

[Asdioh]

JTB simply didn't say anything, what he said was just as indicative of somebody who wasn't reading as somebody who was trying to fake content. This isn't true of swords.

Kind of confused what you're saying here. All I was saying was that Swords was pretty much the one who lead the JTB wagon, which I would say is the opposite of being careful and non-commital. I was just trying to look at both sides of the argument.
However, his D2 play certainly has been noncommital, same with RR and John.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (3) Kantrip, Sworddancer, John2k4
2. John2k4 (2) Sokr, Soup
4. Sokr ()
5. Kantrip ()
6. Sworddancer.(4) adumbrodeus, Swiss, Asdioh, felipe
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh (1) RR
13. Red Ryu (1) July

Not voting -

With 11 playing, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is December 2nd at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[adumbrodeus]

Kind of confused what you're saying here. All I was saying was that Swords was pretty much the one who lead the JTB wagon, which I would say is the opposite of being careful and non-commital. I was just trying to look at both sides of the argument.
However, his D2 play certainly has been noncommital, same with RR and John.

Do you really think that the jtb wagon was unsafe at all?


He wasn't totally noncommittall but he only committed when absolutely forced or when it was ridiculously unsafe.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yeah.

Unvote

 

[adumbrodeus]

You already unvoted when you revealed that you weren't the cop, the votecount is in error.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright, I thought I had unvoted already. No big deal.

John2k4

Since you were probably skimming and wouldn't have posted without me doing this (I really hope we can get to the point where I won't have to do this ), consider this me asking you to weigh in here. Have you read through both Red Ryu and Sworddancer.? These are the two people (besides yourself) that are currently prime lynch candidates. Pick one, tell me who it is, and give me a brief paragraph touching on why they are a better lynch choice than the other.

If you, however, believe that both of them are town and don't want to choose one, that is also fine. If this is the case, I want to know why as well.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes I know I already asked you to order them and I already know who you are going to pick (unless you've changed your mind). I am more interested in the reasoning part.

 

[John2k4]

Very well.

Swords - Haven't seen a post in four pages, but that's irrelevant to my read on him..From what I've seen, unless he is making a case or something, he is of few words, with RR posting more detail more frequently. Singling out Sword and RR posts going 11 pages back, I would be fine with lynching Swords, and keeping an eye on RR.

 

[John2k4]

I knew I submitted that early dangit.

Swiss - something about his posts rubs me wrong. My gut is saying he is bad.
Red - He's been providing some decent content within the last while; wouldn't want to see him lynched yet.

 

[Kantrip]

Is Swiss a bigger scumpick for you than Swords is?

I think I'm ready for Sword to claim. Is anyone opposed to that idea?

 

[John2k4]

No, Swords would still be my biggest scumpick.

 

[Asdioh]

Do you really think that the jtb wagon was unsafe at all?


He wasn't totally noncommittall but he only committed when absolutely forced or when it was ridiculously unsafe.

Well, it got my attention and was the main reason I had a scumread on him D1, so I would say it's a bit unsafe.
But maybe that's what he wants us to think wifom etc.

Swiss - something about his posts rubs me wrong. My gut is saying he is bad.

He's terrible.

I think I'm ready for Sword to claim. Is anyone opposed to that idea?

Yeah, the more time we have to consider claims the better.

Speaking of which, Red Ruy. Have you realized that making a 'case' on me will just show that you're trying to look like you have content, or have you just been busy all day? Your play is reminding me of DR Upick1 and Higurashi mafia. Never mind the fact that Upick was forever ago and that I skimmed Higurashi, I think you're scum.

 

[July]

July, Adum - I got what I wanted from Swords with the gambits.

Swords can die.

I won't switch my vote right now since he's at L-2 but I am deff in favor of this lynch toDay. Also in favor of Swords claiming at this point.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don''t really want to play this game right now.

I'm in class right now, so I haven't reed anything since Swiss saying that he would be okay with my lynch. It's 4 days from deadline and people want me to claim. I guess now is better then never.

I'm the town census taker.

I was somehow roleblocked last Night, and I haven't breadcrumbed. Yes I know that doesn't looked good for a semi-obscure claim at all but I never crumb and I didn't think it would come to this. I was planning to come clean wit my results at the beginning of the Day but yeah.

My ability is only one-shot and I can only use it on the lynch wagon.

Take it how it is.

I have to leave now, I'm typing this really quickly before class. If you're going to lynch me then fine but just let me reread before hand.

 

[Swiss]

I find this somewhat hard to believe.

Lynch him.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I knew you would, but it is what it is.

At least let me reread first. From my point of view something has to be amiss because, even if both RR and John (the popularly held scum candidates besides me) are scum, there is still at least one other scum in this game who is probably held as a town read by popular census.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh also

unvote

 

[Swiss]

You forgot to specify why you didn't crumb. This is a very difficult role to pin through crumbs, and incredibly easy to crumb. Why did you feel it would be beneficial to your claim not to crumb? Especially after you've been taking heat all game from Adum. Bizarre actions for a smart man.

Your vote is not particularly useful where it lies.

 

[Swiss]

Also, please clarify the exact mechanics of your role.

Why did you feel the D1 lynch was the most useful lynch to use this on?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

The little summary of why I didn't like you was taken from my case from before, after I catch up I can try to find it. My point was that the bulk of your scummy behavior for me was not the JTB case, it was your interacts with Adumb and Swiss. When Swiss proposed the idea that if two of you/Swiss/Adumb found the other to be scummy then that person's lynch would happen, I thought that scum in that group would try to appease the other two unless there was a viable opportunity to get one of the other players lynched. Swiss and Adumb have been trying to get reads on each other and you and challenging other members of said group, but with you I saw an attitude of appeasement. The way you responded to Adumb challenging you seemed like you found his case scummy, but then you ended up with a town lean on him that I didn't see coming at all from your interactions, and you've avoided confrontation with Swiss. That's what makes me think that you are more interested in staying on Swiss and Adumb's good sides than actually scumhunting on them, which I haven't seen you do.



I didn't like the Tery slot and the Tery/RR interactions, Ryker's play was better but if he hadn't been nk'ed I'm sure I would have found him scummy and then questioned myself because I know I'm biased because his playstyle which makes me think he is scummy, so I'm honestly pretty glad he's flipped already.



Obviously important post considering the cop claim that comes after this. The read on Adum as null-town and the fact that here:



Adum is third in his list of desired claims makes me lean towards Kantrip's result being fake: I would think that he'd be most interested in Adum's claim and would consider Adumb not so likely town if the guilty were legit. However, his explanation for his read on Adumb in that first post points to him generally being cautious and and concerned about getting a read on Adumb, which is why it makes sense that he would chose Adumb as his "guilty" to try and get a response out of him.



Current impression: Kantrip is town who is looking for a reaction from Adumb. Deff looks like a gambit, but not a random one.



Current Impression: This worries me because this is similar to how I responded to the cop guilty against me in D.Gray as scum. Immediately on the defensive without considering miller or sanity issues. Thinking back to my mindset as scum I was immediately like "**** I need to discredit him" and that's where my defensive crossvote came in. I've never been in that position as town but I think it would be easier to consider sanity or miller possibilities along with "the cop is scum" because you know that something somewhere is off and you are getting the brunt of it. As scum you KNOW the person's result is right, whether its a legit claim or not, so it would probably be harder to bring up miller and sanity issues because you would be aware that it is not really the case.



Sorry I'm late to the party, was eating turkey and beating people up for $3 waffle makers. Totally worth it.



Current Impression: Kantrip wants a response from everyone on every aspect of his guilty result. Cop-like behavior? Not so much. Town behavior? Yes.



First bolded: You say this in a very matter-of-fact way. Are say that you will fully trust Kantrip once he explains how his results are reported, and if so why is that significant to you?

Second bolded: Why is Swords cleared as not scummate to you and can you explain briefly why you get indy vibes from him?



Current Impression: I like the way Adum addressed this, and the way he stepped back and looked at Kantrip's intent. Adum's previous responses to the guilty result seemed more emotional and responsive where this one took a step back and rationalized Kantrip's actions. I think that is an understandable response, not confirmed town but it leaves Adumb pretty much where he was for me before this guilty result came in: leaning town. It leaves Kantrip, Asdioh, and Swiss as strong town reads as well. Definitely agree that I disliked John's reaction, which was very nonchalant, and Swords. I disagree with Adumb that this makes RR look more town; I actually really disliked his post and it had this sense that he knew something that we don't that I really didn't like.



This bolded is exactly what I was talking about when I said that RR has this air that he knows more than he should as town. I also agree that RR and John are the best lynch options toDay, I also really don't like Swords but Swiss said earlier toDay he wanted more time to read him so I'm okay with dealing with him toMorrow.

Vote: Red Ryu

I'd be good with a John lynch as well, but I haven't seen anything I've liked from RR. However, I will admit that I'm anxiously awaiting this Asdioh case of his.

Weird of you July to go over your thoughts on a gambit after it was already revealed that it was a gambit.

Your insights onto Adumb's immediate reaction is pretty much the same exact reason why I called Adumb's reaction scummy, and I'll let that be my answer to him.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

You forgot to specify why you didn't crumb. This is a very difficult role to pin through crumbs, and incredibly easy to crumb. Why did you feel it would be beneficial to your claim not to crumb? Especially after you've been taking heat all game from Adum. Bizarre actions for a smart man.

Your vote is not particularly useful where it lies.

Also, please clarify the exact mechanics of your role.

Why did you feel the D1 lynch was the most useful lynch to use this on?

I just don't crumb PRs. I never have, and I just never really thought to. I stated this all the way back in Youtube mafia and I've kept to it in all of my games since.

Placing my vote anywhere at this point when I'm not particularly confident in anyone except a few town reads isn't going to be parenthetically useful either.

I pretty much said everything about my role already. Basically, once during the game, I can take a census of the lynch wagon. All threats to town (indy included) will be picked up by the census.

So basically if there were say, two anti-town players on the JTB wagon then my result would come back that there were two threats to the town on that wagon.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

For now on I'm going to be pulling a Ryker for awhile. If I try to make one big post then I'm going to loss my focus and get bored.

This.
I'll save the Johns for postgame, but replacing in is something I won't do again.

Yes I am a newer player, and I'll be honest right here: I read about 6 pages in, then my eyes refused to go any further. Most of my stances are from D2, but I am researching people's D1 when cases are made on them and I feel I need to go see what they did.

+1 townie point for honesty but ugh that agreeableness and that newbie card -2. John has anything else popped up to you that's not related to me or RR?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I knew I submitted that early dangit.

Swiss - something about his posts rubs me wrong. My gut is saying he is bad.
Red - He's been providing some decent content within the last while; wouldn't want to see him lynched yet.

Welp, nevermind that question. Someone who's suspicion of John should tell me what keeps him from being dumb newbie town.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

3. A couple of reasons, firstly because swords delayed in thread which seemed odd cause his post wasn't setting up for anything. Furthermore, his post seems to be really intent on absolving himself from guilt no matter which way it turns since he starts by explaining why he thinks that the guilty doesn't make sense and then goes on to why he doesn't like me.

He never touches on whether the breadcrumbs were believable which is damning because it's key in why he believes kantrip wasn't gambiting and never explains why my immediate reaction was scummy in the least. I could see him just musing over the entire thing if he plugged these incredibly important holes, but it just seems like he's covering everything but the inconvenient information.

Also this:

I delayed in thread because I mistakenly thought Kantrip wanted me to. What you say of me trying to avoid guilt is probably just you confusing me openly sharing my thought process.

Yes I thought the breadcrumb was believable, obviously. As I said I thought it was paranoid of Kantrip to say that, but I also thought it was believable.

This:



It's indicative of his general play, that he's more concerned about personal survival then scumhunting.



JTB simply didn't say anything, what he said was just as indicative of somebody who wasn't reading as somebody who was trying to fake content. This isn't true of swords.

Do you really think that the jtb wagon was unsafe at all?


He wasn't totally noncommittall but he only committed when absolutely forced or when it was ridiculously unsafe.

Adumb you keep going on about how JTB was a safe push and how I didn't commit to it which is simply not the truth. I was the one that pushed it through, I mean jeez. Also if you're going to push me for being safe then I suggest that you look around toDay. Not too dismiss the legitimacy of the current wagons, but you have to admit that the RR/John/me suspicions aren't exactly hard to join.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

The little summary of why I didn't like you was taken from my case from before, after I catch up I can try to find it. My point was that the bulk of your scummy behavior for me was not the JTB case, it was your interacts with Adumb and Swiss. When Swiss proposed the idea that if two of you/Swiss/Adumb found the other to be scummy then that person's lynch would happen, I thought that scum in that group would try to appease the other two unless there was a viable opportunity to get one of the other players lynched. Swiss and Adumb have been trying to get reads on each other and you and challenging other members of said group, but with you I saw an attitude of appeasement. The way you responded to Adumb challenging you seemed like you found his case scummy, but then you ended up with a town lean on him that I didn't see coming at all from your interactions, and you've avoided confrontation with Swiss. That's what makes me think that you are more interested in staying on Swiss and Adumb's good sides than actually scumhunting on them, which I haven't seen you do.

Back to you July. I actually am kind of bugged by this reasoning because of how generic it is. Your thought that the scum out of me/Adumb/Swiss would try to appease the others is too set. What about other players? Are they exempt from this? Why does it only apply to us three?

Not only that but it's not really even true that Adumb and Swiss had tried to get reads on each other in other ways that I haven't. Again, it's true that I didn't think over Swiss too hard Day 1, but what thought I did put into it was made from observations of there play. Adumb and Swiss hardly interacted at all Day 1, and there most recent town reads don't really seem to have come from anything else besides observations that they made on each others play that they liked.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Swiss: Sanity slipped my mind.

No cop, well there goes that. Kantrip looks more town to me from this.

unvote
Vote: Asdioh

I got an in coming case.

Swords and John also need to die.

What an incredibly odd attack. I'll await for your case before comment, but jeez your scumreads . . .

 

[Asdioh]

Sword, assuming that:
1. you're town
2. mafia roleblocked you

What mafia team/members do you think would be most likely to roleblock you of all players?
What players should we look at, if you flip town?

 

[Sokr]

Sword, assuming that:
1. you're town
2. mafia roleblocked you

What mafia team/members do you think would be most likely to roleblock you of all players?
What players shouldv we look at, if you flip town?

It might not have necessarily been a Mafia roleblocker. I see Sword as the most blatantly not VT. Which would make him an obvious roleblock target.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Have been caught up in [redacted], Activity hasn't been the best but i've been reading and understanding the situation.
Right now my head is either at a John lynch or the swords one being put in place, while i see obvious benefit from swords' role, suffice to say i will need a re-reading on his play.

Hopefully i'm still correct on Kantrip v. Adum being TvT, i looked at that a bit earlier and i still see it, and these latest actions by both just make me want to confirm it.

 

[Asdioh]

It might not have necessarily been a Mafia roleblocker. I see Sword as the most blatantly not VT. Which would make him an obvious roleblock target.

Maybe not "mafia" roleblocker but I would hope "scum" roleblocker. If he seems 'blatantly not VT' then I would sincerely hope that a town roleblocker, or whatever you're implying, wouldn't be targeting him unless they have a really strong scumread on him.

Since when have you seen Sword as blatantly not VT, Sokr?

 

[Sokr]

Since yesterDay when I said I thought he's an Indy.

 

[Asdioh]

Alright. So in a 13-player game, if there's an indy, it's almost definitely going to be 1 max (unless there's something SILLY like indy lovers or something)
If it wasn't mafia, you think he might have been roleblocked by some town role, since he would hypothetically be the only indy?

In other words, if it wasn't mafia, and he was the only indy, then all that leaves is town to roleblock him. I'm just saying I think it's more likely that mafia roleblocked him, if he is indeed town.