Britches and Hose Mafia - Game Over!

[adumbrodeus]

Wow, writing posts in notepad results in terrible formatting.

 

[adumbrodeus]

oh yea, unvote not leaving john at l-1.

 

[Gova]

1. adumbrodeus (4) Kantrip, Sworddancer, John2k4, RR
2. John2k4 (4) Swiss, Asdioh, Sokr, Soup
4. Sokr ()
5. Kantrip ()
6. Sworddancer. ()
8. Swiss ()
9. Soupamario ()
10. Felipe_9595 ()
11. July ()
12. Asdioh ()
13. Red Ryu ()

Not voting - Felipe, July, adumbrodeus

With 11 playing, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is December 2nd at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!

 

[Swiss]

I'm not gonna give all other information unless you don't get it, I want to avoid that unless I'm forced to

claim. If you don't get it then I overestimated you and try rereading my posts carefully.

He's not the cop, it would bring significant balance issues into play if there was a cop. The possibility

exists of weaker investigative roles like a reporter, a neighborizer, or a gunsmith, but not a cop. I guess

the possibility technically exists for a paranoid cop since cop sanities occasionally appear in the SWF meta,

but I find that extremely unlikely.

Bringing this up is bizarre. We went past that.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Bringing this up is bizarre. We went past that.

I mostly wrote this post before I knew you knew, it was sitting on my desktop since I started to answer your question and I only really made additions and rearranged a few things.

 

[Swiss]

So what have we learned by this?

Kantrip is town.
John is scum.
Asdioh is almost definitely town.
Soup is leaning town instead of solid town
RR is more townie from this, leaves him nullish
Sokr is still town
Swords is scum
Swiss is town
Got nothing on felipe and july

All of this is correct, but dislike RR's refusal to even consider sanities. Setting up Kantrip's mislynch upon yours.

Felipe/July both town.

Adum I like this post, but take a trip over to Swords, let me know that you think. Thoughts?

John dies today.

 

[Asdioh]

Am I the only one who would rather wait until toMorrow to consider an Adum lynch?

We lynch between RR and John toDay, get scum (at least one HAS to be scum, my god)
Kantrip investigates (unspecified player) toNight to check his sanity and stuff. Even if Kantrip were to die toNight, if he flips town, we know to lynch Adum toMorrow regardless.

I missed post #1000 while typing this. Darn.


About RR's scumball post:

Kantrip I still want to know what your results look like, this matters for later.

Unvote

Failure to answer this results in death.

The needless threat is amusing, but not a big deal.

Possible scum picks whom I see as likely aligned with Adumb, Asdioh and John2k4.

I've begone to dislike Asdioh more than before with his play today, John is turning up more scum with his active posts.

It's funny because I'm pushing a John wagon. Well, according to the votecount, Swiss is, but you know.

He's not the cop, it would bring significant balance issues into play if there was a cop. The possibility exists of weaker investigative roles like a reporter, a neighborizer, or a gunsmith, but not a cop. I guess the possibility technically exists for a paranoid cop since cop sanities occasionally appear in the SWF meta, but I find that extremely unlikely.

How would you know this unless you knew the roles of the entire scumteam? What kind of balance issues? How would you know enough about the setup to confidently say that there is no cop?

So what have we learned by this?

Kantrip is town.
John is scum.
Asdioh is almost definitely town.
Soup is leaning town instead of solid town
RR is more townie from this, leaves him nullish
Sokr is still town
Swords is scum
Swiss is town
Got nothing on felipe and july

How does this make Kantrip town, exactly, if he's not the cop?
What makes John scum, but not RR?
I was starting to drop my Sword scumread, what makes you more certain of it?


Time to make this post now before it gets too long because of constant ninjas.

 

[Asdioh]

nope, time for serious face.

 

[Asdioh]

ok, go ahead and stop posting now that I'm here. I don't mind.


Reason John and/or RR are scum: look at their reaction to the cop guilty. Rather, look how unwilling they were to react to it unless forced to. This epitomizes their play the whole game.

Reason Sword looked less scummy to me lately: I forgot.

@Swiss: if RR is scum, what does that say about Adum?

 

[Swiss]

Asdioh2pro

If RR flips scum, Adum is town. However, if RR turns out to be town, that would mean Adum is town.

 

[Kantrip]

Adum and Swiss are showing why they are the power players in this game.
Asdioh is being reasonable even if he's under the wrong rock.
Swords is being wishy washy and leaving his doors open.
Red Ryu is probably indy.
Sokr is town still.
John is the lynch toDay.
I am not a cop.
I am very pleased with how this turned out.

Unvote
FoS: John

I think he can claim soon. I have more to say when I get to a computer. Any questions in the meantime?

 

[Asdioh]

You think so? I thought I saw a potential bus, assuming one of them flipped scum.

RR, I'm OK with trusting Kant over Adum (who wouldn't be) - but if we do get this wrong, and Adum flips town, we will have to lynch Kantrip.

You're OK with this plan?

I also thought I saw Swiss' scumteam with some sort of Framer role, but now I know you just wanted to get RR's thoughts on that.

Unless you and Adum are scummates, of course.

 

[Asdioh]

I am not a cop.

I still want Adum to respond to my post that asked him some quest-chins.

 

[Asdioh]

I have more to say when I get to a computer. Any questions in the meantime?

What do you think about Soup after this?

 

[Kantrip]

I think he was being dumb or scum. Leaning dumb.

I'm taking a second look at him though.

 

[adumbrodeus]

How would you know this unless you knew the roles of the entire scumteam? What kind of balance issues? How would you know enough about the setup to confidently say that there is no cop?

There are a number of possible reasons, but whatever it is, I made sure swiss already knows. Why do you think he isn't attacking me on this point?

How does this make Kantrip town, exactly, if he's not the cop?
What makes John scum, but not RR?
I was starting to drop my Sword scumread, what makes you more certain of it?


Time to make this post now before it gets too long because of constant ninjas.

1. Kantrip is town because it reads like a gambit, he's not trying to get me lynched through this he's just using it to get reads. I don't really like fakeclaiming cop, but townies do it to get reads.

2. RR's response felt consistent with his very mechanical scumhunting, given that it makes me question my scumread. Their lateness to the party isn't really a scumtell. John was just being incredibly obtuse and wishy washy, it was obvious he was attempting to set himself up so he didn't take the fall.

3. A couple of reasons, firstly because swords delayed in thread which seemed odd cause his post wasn't setting up for anything. Furthermore, his post seems to be really intent on absolving himself from guilt no matter which way it turns since he starts by explaining why he thinks that the guilty doesn't make sense and then goes on to why he doesn't like me.

He never touches on whether the breadcrumbs were believable which is damning because it's key in why he believes kantrip wasn't gambiting and never explains why my immediate reaction was scummy in the least. I could see him just musing over the entire thing if he plugged these incredibly important holes, but it just seems like he's covering everything but the inconvenient information.

Also this:

Also, why go after the people Adumb was attacking (like me! ) if he had a guilty on him?

It SCREAMS survivor mentality to me.

Adum I like this post, but take a trip over to Swords, let me know that you think. Thoughts?

Answered above.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Swiss: Sanity slipped my mind.

No cop, well there goes that. Kantrip looks more town to me from this.

unvote
Vote: Asdioh

I got an in coming case.

Swords and John also need to die.

 

[Asdioh]

I got an in coming case.

 

[Kantrip]

Red Ryu has a case against Asdioh? Interesting.

 

[felipe_9595]

inb4 he outs a PR

xD

 

[Asdioh]

dammit Felipe blew my cover

 

[Kantrip]

gogdamnit felipe.

 

[July]

Catching up slowly, will have a post by the end of the night for sure.

 

[felipe_9595]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[July]

July I don't recall ever being suspicious of Adumb. Cite it for me, or wait for me to reread.

Tis is true that I haven't really put too much mentral power in investigating Swiss. That said, I don't see what's scummy about it. You're accusing me for something I didn't do, which is probably something you could do with a lot of people.

The little summary of why I didn't like you was taken from my case from before, after I catch up I can try to find it. My point was that the bulk of your scummy behavior for me was not the JTB case, it was your interacts with Adumb and Swiss. When Swiss proposed the idea that if two of you/Swiss/Adumb found the other to be scummy then that person's lynch would happen, I thought that scum in that group would try to appease the other two unless there was a viable opportunity to get one of the other players lynched. Swiss and Adumb have been trying to get reads on each other and you and challenging other members of said group, but with you I saw an attitude of appeasement. The way you responded to Adumb challenging you seemed like you found his case scummy, but then you ended up with a town lean on him that I didn't see coming at all from your interactions, and you've avoided confrontation with Swiss. That's what makes me think that you are more interested in staying on Swiss and Adumb's good sides than actually scumhunting on them, which I haven't seen you do.

My top scum pick is and still is Kantrip. I want him dead.

Vote: Kantrip

July what were your thoughts on Ryker and his slot in general? I'm super interested in this question more than other events.

I didn't like the Tery slot and the Tery/RR interactions, Ryker's play was better but if he hadn't been nk'ed I'm sure I would have found him scummy and then questioned myself because I know I'm biased because his playstyle which makes me think he is scummy, so I'm honestly pretty glad he's flipped already.

Thoughts on alignments right now:

Felipe town.
Sokr town.
Soup town.
Asdioh leans town.
Swiss null-ish leaning town.
July null-ish leaning town.
adumbrodeus null-ish leaning town.
John2k4 null-ish leaning scum.
Red Ryu lean scum.
Sworddancer. scum.

July and Swiss could swap places at a moment's notice.

I'm still not sure about adum. As I said in D1, he could go one of two ways. Asides from the early game banter with me, I have found myself agreeing with things he has said. He has the same top scum suspects as me, too. I'd have to be completely insane to clear him, though, because he's been established as one of the big names, and you never know with them. It's a similar story for Swiss, for obvious reasons, but

@John2k4: Sounds good, I look forward to seeing you do something in this game.

Obviously important post considering the cop claim that comes after this. The read on Adum as null-town and the fact that here:

That's why we make a list of the order we want everyone to claim in. If we make scummier players claim first, then town can counter claim them.

If two people claim the same role we'll know one of them is scum, pretty much. That's a good thing for us.

If we were to massclaim toDay, this would be the order I would want:

1. Sword
2. RR
3. adum
4. Swiss
5. John
6. July
7. Asdioh
8. Soup
9. Sokr
10. Felipe
11. Kantrip

Adum is third in his list of desired claims makes me lean towards Kantrip's result being fake: I would think that he'd be most interested in Adum's claim and would consider Adumb not so likely town if the guilty were legit. However, his explanation for his read on Adumb in that first post points to him generally being cautious and and concerned about getting a read on Adumb, which is why it makes sense that he would chose Adumb as his "guilty" to try and get a response out of him.

Are you two scummates, then?

Because I am the cop, and I got a guilty on adum.

Unvote, Vote: adumbrodeus

Current impression: Kantrip is town who is looking for a reaction from Adumb. Deff looks like a gambit, but not a random one.

You're not the cop, and you don't have a guilty on me. The former is incredibly unlikely and would mean gova is a *******, the latter is pretty much impossible.

unvote, vote: kantrip

Current Impression: This worries me because this is similar to how I responded to the cop guilty against me in D.Gray as scum. Immediately on the defensive without considering miller or sanity issues. Thinking back to my mindset as scum I was immediately like "**** I need to discredit him" and that's where my defensive crossvote came in. I've never been in that position as town but I think it would be easier to consider sanity or miller possibilities along with "the cop is scum" because you know that something somewhere is off and you are getting the brunt of it. As scum you KNOW the person's result is right, whether its a legit claim or not, so it would probably be harder to bring up miller and sanity issues because you would be aware that it is not really the case.

July is some sort of V/LA this weekend, but the rest of the cast I have no idea. Red Ruy and John are pretty much begging to be lynched.

Sorry I'm late to the party, was eating turkey and beating people up for $3 waffle makers. Totally worth it.

I have a guilty result on adum, John. Are you honestly telling me you have nothing to say about that?

Do you think I'm town? Do you believe my result? Do you think it's an accurate result if legit? Do you think I'm scum if it's illegit?

On top of that, why don't you tell me who we're lynching toDay.

Current Impression: Kantrip wants a response from everyone on every aspect of his guilty result. Cop-like behavior? Not so much. Town behavior? Yes.

Kantrip I still want to know what your results look like, this matters for later.

Unvote

Failure to answer this results in death.

~

Vote: Ambrodeus

Why are people not voting on the cop guilty? If Kantrip is to be trusted like this, which I will fully with how he gets his results, then he needs to be lynched.

John is possible scum, Adumb is confirmed scum. This is a no brainier.

Swords is cleared as not a scummate, though I suspect indy and I do not care to chase that atm.
Kantrip is town due to his play to the early pushes from Adumb and being the cop.

I'll need a full reread on a scum flip to confirm this. Town flip doesn't give me much at all, I'm still in the eh category.

Possible scum picks whom I see as likely aligned with Adumb, Asdioh and John2k4.

I've begone to dislike Asdioh more than before with his play today, John is turning up more scum with his active posts.

Don't feel like explaining atm, I wanna sleep.

First bolded: You say this in a very matter-of-fact way. Are say that you will fully trust Kantrip once he explains how his results are reported, and if so why is that significant to you?

Second bolded: Why is Swords cleared as not scummate to you and can you explain briefly why you get indy vibes from him?

I'm not gonna give all other information unless you don't get it, I want to avoid that unless I'm forced to

claim. If you don't get it then I overestimated you and try rereading my posts carefully.

He's not the cop, it would bring significant balance issues into play if there was a cop. The possibility

exists of weaker investigative roles like a reporter, a neighborizer, or a gunsmith, but not a cop. I guess

the possibility technically exists for a paranoid cop since cop sanities occasionally appear in the SWF meta,

but I find that extremely unlikely.


Note his 863, where he comments for the first time about my townieness or lack thereof. It's an upgrade from his null at best attitude which he had last game day. This struck me as really odd against a claimed guilty, he's not trying to pile votes against me, why? Why not attempt to take out the person whose obvious-scum according to you?


Then rereading the interaction, and this sort of stuck out.











I see a strong intent on these, he doesn't seem as interested in the main copclaim and forcing everyone to vote for me as he is at trying to get people to comment on and react to claim.



His 940 just makes it blatently obvious when he agrees with me and prefers pushing people to respond so we can get more reactions.


So what have we learned by this?

Kantrip is town.
John is scum.
Asdioh is almost definitely town.
Soup is leaning town instead of solid town
RR is more townie from this, leaves him nullish
Sokr is still town
Swords is scum
Swiss is town
Got nothing on felipe and july

Current Impression: I like the way Adum addressed this, and the way he stepped back and looked at Kantrip's intent. Adum's previous responses to the guilty result seemed more emotional and responsive where this one took a step back and rationalized Kantrip's actions. I think that is an understandable response, not confirmed town but it leaves Adumb pretty much where he was for me before this guilty result came in: leaning town. It leaves Kantrip, Asdioh, and Swiss as strong town reads as well. Definitely agree that I disliked John's reaction, which was very nonchalant, and Swords. I disagree with Adumb that this makes RR look more town; I actually really disliked his post and it had this sense that he knew something that we don't that I really didn't like.

Am I the only one who would rather wait until toMorrow to consider an Adum lynch?

We lynch between RR and John toDay, get scum (at least one HAS to be scum, my god)
Kantrip investigates (unspecified player) toNight to check his sanity and stuff. Even if Kantrip were to die toNight, if he flips town, we know to lynch Adum toMorrow regardless.

I missed post #1000 while typing this. Darn.


About RR's scumball post:
The needless threat is amusing, but not a big deal.

It's funny because I'm pushing a John wagon. Well, according to the votecount, Swiss is, but you know.


How would you know this unless you knew the roles of the entire scumteam? What kind of balance issues? How would you know enough about the setup to confidently say that there is no cop?

How does this make Kantrip town, exactly, if he's not the cop?
What makes John scum, but not RR?
I was starting to drop my Sword scumread, what makes you more certain of it?


Time to make this post now before it gets too long because of constant ninjas.

This bolded is exactly what I was talking about when I said that RR has this air that he knows more than he should as town. I also agree that RR and John are the best lynch options toDay, I also really don't like Swords but Swiss said earlier toDay he wanted more time to read him so I'm okay with dealing with him toMorrow.

Vote: Red Ryu

I'd be good with a John lynch as well, but I haven't seen anything I've liked from RR. However, I will admit that I'm anxiously awaiting this Asdioh case of his.

 

[Kantrip]

@Sworddancer.: Thoughts on July?

I want everyone to say who they want lynched from most to least out of Red Ryu, John, and Swords.

 

[Asdioh]

Current Impression: This worries me because this is similar to how I responded to the cop guilty against me in D.Gray as scum.

Ahah. That's why I didn't like Adum's initial reaction to the guilty. I remember now that it does indeed resemble your reaction in D.grayman... which wasn't very good


Kantrip's question:

RR>John>>Sword.

Though RR and John are interchangeable. They're both extremely scummy, whereas John seems a little bit less scummy, but a little bit less useful. I'm not sure whether this comes from being a newer player, being a replacement, or being scum that's trying to avoid making connections. Possibly a combination of the three.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

July I'm making a case atm, but it mattered before because each game has consistency on results. Guilty not guilty, mafia not mafia, etc.

I wanted a consistent result if he was a legit cop and why I kept asking.

Second question, Swords looks like he has his own agenda instead of scumhunting, he also looks like he lacks a drive with connections.

 

[July]

@Sworddancer.: Thoughts on July?

I want everyone to say who they want lynched from most to least out of Red Ryu, John, and Swords.

RR>John>Swords. Swords would be ahead of John but like I said in my last post, Swiss said he wants more time to look into Swords so its between RR and John for toDay.

Ahah. That's why I didn't like Adum's initial reaction to the guilty. I remember now that it does indeed resemble your reaction in D.grayman... which wasn't very good

Well... I can't argue with you on that one lol, it was pretty bad

July I'm making a case atm, but it mattered before because each game has consistency on results. Guilty not guilty, mafia not mafia, etc.

I wanted a consistent result if he was a legit cop and why I kept asking.

Second question, Swords looks like he has his own agenda instead of scumhunting, he also looks like he lacks a drive with connections.

Kk, I have to admit I agree with that last point, Swords' does seem to have his own agenda.

I need to look more into possible connections between RR/Swords/John and which scumteams are likely or unlikely.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

inb4 he outs a PR

xD

It'll happen, trust me it will. >>.

I sleepy, recess til tomorrow.

court is adjourned.

 

[Swiss]

July, Adum - I got what I wanted from Swords with the gambits.

Swords can die.

 

[Asdioh]

It'll happen, trust me it will. >>.

I sleepy, recess til tomorrow.

court is adjourned.

Your case on me will result in a PR being outed?

 

[adumbrodeus]

The little summary of why I didn't like you was taken from my case from before, after I catch up I can try to find it. My point was that the bulk of your scummy behavior for me was not the JTB case, it was your interacts with Adumb and Swiss. When Swiss proposed the idea that if two of you/Swiss/Adumb found the other to be scummy then that person's lynch would happen, I thought that scum in that group would try to appease the other two unless there was a viable opportunity to get one of the other players lynched. Swiss and Adumb have been trying to get reads on each other and you and challenging other members of said group, but with you I saw an attitude of appeasement. The way you responded to Adumb challenging you seemed like you found his case scummy, but then you ended up with a town lean on him that I didn't see coming at all from your interactions, and you've avoided confrontation with Swiss. That's what makes me think that you are more interested in staying on Swiss and Adumb's good sides than actually scumhunting on them, which I haven't seen you do.



I didn't like the Tery slot and the Tery/RR interactions, Ryker's play was better but if he hadn't been nk'ed I'm sure I would have found him scummy and then questioned myself because I know I'm biased because his playstyle which makes me think he is scummy, so I'm honestly pretty glad he's flipped already.



Obviously important post considering the cop claim that comes after this. The read on Adum as null-town and the fact that here:



Adum is third in his list of desired claims makes me lean towards Kantrip's result being fake: I would think that he'd be most interested in Adum's claim and would consider Adumb not so likely town if the guilty were legit. However, his explanation for his read on Adumb in that first post points to him generally being cautious and and concerned about getting a read on Adumb, which is why it makes sense that he would chose Adumb as his "guilty" to try and get a response out of him.



Current impression: Kantrip is town who is looking for a reaction from Adumb. Deff looks like a gambit, but not a random one.



Current Impression: This worries me because this is similar to how I responded to the cop guilty against me in D.Gray as scum. Immediately on the defensive without considering miller or sanity issues. Thinking back to my mindset as scum I was immediately like "**** I need to discredit him" and that's where my defensive crossvote came in. I've never been in that position as town but I think it would be easier to consider sanity or miller possibilities along with "the cop is scum" because you know that something somewhere is off and you are getting the brunt of it. As scum you KNOW the person's result is right, whether its a legit claim or not, so it would probably be harder to bring up miller and sanity issues because you would be aware that it is not really the case.



Sorry I'm late to the party, was eating turkey and beating people up for $3 waffle makers. Totally worth it.



Current Impression: Kantrip wants a response from everyone on every aspect of his guilty result. Cop-like behavior? Not so much. Town behavior? Yes.



First bolded: You say this in a very matter-of-fact way. Are say that you will fully trust Kantrip once he explains how his results are reported, and if so why is that significant to you?

Second bolded: Why is Swords cleared as not scummate to you and can you explain briefly why you get indy vibes from him?



Current Impression: I like the way Adum addressed this, and the way he stepped back and looked at Kantrip's intent. Adum's previous responses to the guilty result seemed more emotional and responsive where this one took a step back and rationalized Kantrip's actions. I think that is an understandable response, not confirmed town but it leaves Adumb pretty much where he was for me before this guilty result came in: leaning town. It leaves Kantrip, Asdioh, and Swiss as strong town reads as well. Definitely agree that I disliked John's reaction, which was very nonchalant, and Swords. I disagree with Adumb that this makes RR look more town; I actually really disliked his post and it had this sense that he knew something that we don't that I really didn't like.



This bolded is exactly what I was talking about when I said that RR has this air that he knows more than he should as town. I also agree that RR and John are the best lynch options toDay, I also really don't like Swords but Swiss said earlier toDay he wanted more time to read him so I'm okay with dealing with him toMorrow.

Vote: Red Ryu

I'd be good with a John lynch as well, but I haven't seen anything I've liked from RR. However, I will admit that I'm anxiously awaiting this Asdioh case of his.

Her suspicions are off-base but understandable because why I reacted like that wasn't clear and won't probably be clear until massclaim. The fact that she's still willing to take me on after me and swiss have essentially mutually declared each other obvious-town bodes makes me pretty confident in her townieness as well as her general intellectual consistency.


Leaning town.

 

[adumbrodeus]

July, Adum - I got what I wanted from Swords with the gambits.

Swords can die.

Alright, waiting on RR's case. I'd prefer to lynch swords today since I'm more confident in his scummyness but I'm ok with the john lynch too. Not sure on RR at all, so wanna hold off on him for a bit.


Vote: Swords

 

[Swiss]

Works for me.

Unvote Vote: Swords

 

[Sokr]

@Kantrip

RR, sword, john

RR and sword are more dangerous in my eyes. John isn't really doing anything and he doesn't really know as much about the game and therefore he's less likely to have an idea of who's an important townie role. So he's less likely to nk a cop or doc or someone like that.

I'm fine with either an RR or Sword lynch toDay

 

[felipe_9595]

I am playing until i get replaced so, anything works for me

 

[Asdioh]

Still no case from RR, and a wagon change to Sword? I'm ok with this, I guess, considering he's RR's scummate.

Vote: Sworddancer

@Adum and/or Swiss: just to reiterate, can you tell me why Sword is scum in approximately one sentence?

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh I think it's TvS.

I've been rereading Sword in the meantime to make sure my vote's in the right place. It is. That part just makes me laugh though.

 

[felipe_9595]

Vote: RR

Oh lol nvm


Unvote

Vote: Swordancer

Also: