"C"let
Smash Journeyman
I propose that the weeklies have a week of practice and the week after you can have a tournament so people can see the improvement and find mistakes to start working on them on the week after, and the cycle goes on
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& Brawl+: The Montréal Weekly Poutine Thread...With More Sauce!
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cemo
white walker
isn't that.... the same format it is already?
So wait, i cannot argue with fizzi about my own skill because then i would be name dropping names. But since it seems that you do not care about argument and want us to prove we are as good as we say we are.
Bento is right, it's the right way to play. I am a living proof of this. I did not go to tourney in forever, but I read so much on the game that I know alot about it. Zaf did this probably to a lesser extent but went to tourneys to get the additionnal knowledge he needed. Now fizzi, tell me, when holynightmare tells me that I am about even to him, ally says he fears my ics more than ambroses and lains, Toronto Joe gets ***** by me 2 stocked online(remember that he beat JL recently), then how am I not the one who has improved? My snake online went about even with kirt(it was online though :S ), but now he took the right option and hes learning much faster now instead of just going to the weeklies in the hope of getting better. Fizzi, you keep reffering to mindgames as if it was something that either you already had or would never have unless you train constantly the same way for over a long period of time. You are SO wrong, people HAVE common patterns, therefore its about reading your opponents indeed, but about learning general patterns. Reading your opponents wont happen by magic, yet you seem to think its the way it works.
You are right about one thing, friendlies do not mean as much as tourney. However some friendlies are actually more important than very small scale tourneys. A friendly with Azen is more important than a 2 $ tourneys, because Azen never sandbags in friendlies. He finds it disrespectfull.
This is especially true when we can notice all the errors commited by some player on the stream. Feel free to disagree, but im a living proof that what Bento said is right. I do not feel like I have anything to prove to the brawl community of montreal anymore, since I know what I can do. If I go to a weekly at some point, it wont be to prove ive becomed better, zaf won't either. It's not worth it, I'm pretty sure zaf would rather spend that time training. I would go because i do not approve the secret fests and stuff, and I like playing brawl to improve. I want to improve, and I want the others to improve. But I'm pretty sure I do not need your approval to know how much ive improved. Again, I do not want to bash some of your skill, but learn to accept that some people are getting better seriously.
Yes zaf may be boasting a bit, but did you not ask for proofs that he had becomed better by provoking him. Yes, I am currently addressing something that is directed at zaf and not at me, but you are basically bashing my own way of learning when you say he did not improve at all. That being said, dare tell me that what holynightmare and ally think of me and zaf is pretty much false, go even with them even in friendlies. Do that, or go to big tourneys to prove that YOU have improved. You keep saying zaf does not get good tourney results, but he is going to tourneys were competition is much higher, you cannot blame him for that. You have everything yet to prove however, since you cannot get in top 3 of weeklies anymore. Not to say the competition sucks, not at all. However it is clearly not of the same level as CoT4 and others. As of now, Kirt is on the way to getting much better, so is Agora and bento probably once he gets a wii, because those people are dedicated to learning and getting better. You however, just seem to want to bash on Zaf saying he has not improved. Zaf may be saying you guys have not improved, i know some of you did, but certainly not at the same rate he did. Learn from your mistakes, do not let your pride get in your way. Stops you from getting better. Trust me, i know that better than anyone( remember, I am AiR afterall <.< ).
Bento is right, it's the right way to play. I am a living proof of this. I did not go to tourney in forever, but I read so much on the game that I know alot about it. Zaf did this probably to a lesser extent but went to tourneys to get the additionnal knowledge he needed. Now fizzi, tell me, when holynightmare tells me that I am about even to him, ally says he fears my ics more than ambroses and lains, Toronto Joe gets ***** by me 2 stocked online(remember that he beat JL recently), then how am I not the one who has improved? My snake online went about even with kirt(it was online though :S ), but now he took the right option and hes learning much faster now instead of just going to the weeklies in the hope of getting better. Fizzi, you keep reffering to mindgames as if it was something that either you already had or would never have unless you train constantly the same way for over a long period of time. You are SO wrong, people HAVE common patterns, therefore its about reading your opponents indeed, but about learning general patterns. Reading your opponents wont happen by magic, yet you seem to think its the way it works.
You are right about one thing, friendlies do not mean as much as tourney. However some friendlies are actually more important than very small scale tourneys. A friendly with Azen is more important than a 2 $ tourneys, because Azen never sandbags in friendlies. He finds it disrespectfull.
This is especially true when we can notice all the errors commited by some player on the stream. Feel free to disagree, but im a living proof that what Bento said is right. I do not feel like I have anything to prove to the brawl community of montreal anymore, since I know what I can do. If I go to a weekly at some point, it wont be to prove ive becomed better, zaf won't either. It's not worth it, I'm pretty sure zaf would rather spend that time training. I would go because i do not approve the secret fests and stuff, and I like playing brawl to improve. I want to improve, and I want the others to improve. But I'm pretty sure I do not need your approval to know how much ive improved. Again, I do not want to bash some of your skill, but learn to accept that some people are getting better seriously.
Yes zaf may be boasting a bit, but did you not ask for proofs that he had becomed better by provoking him. Yes, I am currently addressing something that is directed at zaf and not at me, but you are basically bashing my own way of learning when you say he did not improve at all. That being said, dare tell me that what holynightmare and ally think of me and zaf is pretty much false, go even with them even in friendlies. Do that, or go to big tourneys to prove that YOU have improved. You keep saying zaf does not get good tourney results, but he is going to tourneys were competition is much higher, you cannot blame him for that. You have everything yet to prove however, since you cannot get in top 3 of weeklies anymore. Not to say the competition sucks, not at all. However it is clearly not of the same level as CoT4 and others. As of now, Kirt is on the way to getting much better, so is Agora and bento probably once he gets a wii, because those people are dedicated to learning and getting better. You however, just seem to want to bash on Zaf saying he has not improved. Zaf may be saying you guys have not improved, i know some of you did, but certainly not at the same rate he did. Learn from your mistakes, do not let your pride get in your way. Stops you from getting better. Trust me, i know that better than anyone( remember, I am AiR afterall <.< ).
MaritLage227
Smash Apprentice
you're on!
p.s: Bento, don't make get the c4 out again...
†¹Ãgøn¥¹†
Smash Ace
So, you're gonna say that I didn't improove for **** even though I beated you last week again. Seriously what's your problem with me? Because money isn't involved you don't play your best, though it means it doesn't count as a real match?
So, when you said you loved the game was a lie then. Because you only play to win money and only do good when you're playing for something in return.
Zaf, even gave you tips agaisnt the MK matchup (at your place and when we played) I got some minor tips from Kev, which I thanked him for, but since he doesn't play falco he could only give some little tips he found in the character section, which was fine enough for me.
Apparently, I'll have to mm you to have you understand that I'm better then you, I guess.
Imo, some people think are really good because they beat some of the bests in montreal, but didn't they think that it's maybe because they have a matchup advantage and they know the person better. for example: I got a hard time versus bento and Agora because I almost never fight them. I fought Agora a lot, but mostly his R.O.B. DK. His luigi became really good, but he doesn't do so good agaisn't others because he just doesn't have the knowledge and doesn't know the patterns of the others. And maybe the others know more then I do agaisn't luigi.
Btw, do you guys remember what had happened at TOS5? Our first tournament, we got destroyed by toronto(except Vwins) because we tought we were so good and actually we weren't. We hadn't help each others to learn more about brawl. Then after TOS5 we learned that montreal sucked and that we had to improve, so everyone started helping each others and did a loot of smashfest and everyone was friendly to each others. Now the community is divided into 2-3 groups:
L2W
Those that have arguments between each others
Those very friendly.
What this gives is the same results as before TOS5, what will happen? We will get destroyed again at FFYF2 I tell you. Except maybe for Ally, but watever lol.
Mystic Viper
Smash Ace
Why don't you apply that to your argument, both ways?
Tell me how rob is at disadvantage vs ics, or snake or all the others seriously. Ics have 7-3 matchups vs all of the top tiers, your argument does not apply to me i guess. And the thing is, i play not only montreal, i play all the best people online(and yes, believe it or not, online does require a good amount of skill. Theres no wonder judged or anti are so good at cot4). So i guess the whole playing with toronto argument wont apply, since as stated before, i just beat dazed who is widely recognized as a good toronto player, especially online. Zaf beat alot of people OoP(out of province), chet did too but got sadly dqed at CoT4. Your argument does hold however some sort of point, most of the weekly people never played people OoP or almost. We all got better, just not at the same rate. And kirt is right, the matchup advantage thingy works both ways, but you need to learn to deal with those. You cant say that matchup was agaisnt them when you happen to use metaknight seriously. I could keep on johning about every top tier matchup, heres a completely list of people who **** ics so you know. Diddy, pikachu, snake, rob, metaknight. Thats 5 matchups rated 7-3, but i learned to deal with those a long time ago.
As for the Kirt vs agony, i dont know since i was not there. Please participate in the 2 bucks tourney so we can see how far youd make it or give us your results at friendlies with other people. I wanna see how good you are overall since i know you are able to beat kirt. Does not mean you can beat all the people he beats though, and doesnt mean you cant either. I dont wanna bash at your skills, i just dont wanna make hasty judgments. And Kirt is the only one who knows if he was really trying, i am never gonna argue with someone who says he was not trying because you can never really know.
As the last 3 sentences, your wrong.
As of now, there are 2 types of people, some people are just friendly with others but douche to some i guess. I had alot of troubles with zaf at first, but were fine now. I dont think i have any argument with anybody else.
EDIT: Seriously though, dont state that L2W is elitist please(you did not, but some did). Some individuals in l2w are, but do not state that ally and holy are elitist. They are not, its just not worth it for them to go to montreal fests since its far. Anyways, i guess ask them yourselves if you want to know. And please stop saying only ally will not get owned, people need to start giving holy just as much credit. His rob is totally insane. I think that as of right now, yes alot of montreal people will get owned, but most probably not south shore. That is unless you guys manage to start working together and working on those mistakes.
†¹Ãgøn¥¹†
Smash Ace
You don't have that much of a disadvantage versus MK, plus way more people play MK so you can have far more knowledge then me about the character. You're the only one that plays falco, so I have no knowledge of what to do agaisn't him. Yet, I learned your patterns so it became pretty easy for me to know when to attack.(I don't mean that I beat you easy) If we weren't fighting like we are now, I could point out your falws and you could point out mines. But instead of that and helping the other improve we have to keep fighting like douches and just fight at each weeklies for no point at all.
I didn't brag as much as I could have for the win I got. I didn't because I only wanted to end this dumb fighting thingy, makes us looks like idiots.
That's all I have to say about that.
Sword: I'm talking to you on msn so I don't need much to post here.
Jarc
Smash Lord
I've been reading the last 5 pages of *****ing while eating popcorn, chaos is so amusing.
BigRick
Smash Master
There's a difference between being good at friendlies and being good in a tournament.
To be good in tourneys, you need to be good against multiple matchups and playing styles (or be lucky enough to dodge all your tough matchups).
Also you need to have endurance.
To be good in tourneys, you need to be good against multiple matchups and playing styles (or be lucky enough to dodge all your tough matchups).
Also you need to have endurance.
This is where wifi becomes really usefull, you learn all the matchups.
MaritLage227
Smash Apprentice
you also learn that lag ruins ur life.
Which teaches you alot of things.
1. learn to choose people in your region, aka EC north(ontario, quebec, new york)
2. Learn to adapt even in lag, you need to find even more creative solutions
3. Learn what pressure really is, because no amount of social pressure can beat a random spike lag+delay.
"C"let
Smash Journeyman
We need you back Clet, you were the one holding everything together!
And i agree with Clet, we need to stop fighting/having grudges, lets just all play the game we all like.
So, i wonder, on what side of this do i hold?
Im not elitist, i dont think i qualify for the weeklies people nor the l2w part XD Im an outcast XD
Edit: when are you coming back?
And i agree with Clet, we need to stop fighting/having grudges, lets just all play the game we all like.
So, i wonder, on what side of this do i hold?
Im not elitist, i dont think i qualify for the weeklies people nor the l2w part XD Im an outcast XD
Edit: when are you coming back?
BigRick
Smash Master
Montreal needs to party moar
Fizzi
Smash Ace
Firstly, I'd just like to point out that the only weekly I did not get top 3 in was last week's. (And the ironman, but I mean, I don't have 3 good characters, so if you want to count that that's up to you). Like I said before, **** happens, maybe I just had a bad day? I am not talking up my skill in any way.
I am also not bashing your way to learn, nor Zaf's. I think it's cool that you guys do what you do, I just feel like there is another aspect entirely to playing well. I'm not saying that you're not improving by doing what you do, I'm saying even though you are improving, there is still the possibility you will not do well at tournaments.
Now, the only post that was directed at you was my initial few sentences about the fact that I was angry that people were bashing the players at the weeklies with no grounds to do so. The rest of the stuff has been directed solely at Zaf, because Zaf talks big, inadvertently or not, and does not back it up to the people he talks big to. I don't feel like you are the same as him, in fact I feel like you are quite respectful. It's funny because Zaf complained about your name dropping, yet the only thing you were doing was trying to make yourself recognized or make yourself seem good. Which guess what? That is EXACTLY what he does. Plus he also talks big and acts better than everyone and then when asked to prove it he just doesn't respond. So I was not disrespecting you.
I'd just like to clarify that what I am talking about is not how to get better, per say, but how to get better results. I am also not saying I am great at it, I'm not, but it's an aspect often neglected."C"let said:
And seeing as how Zaf ignored me.... again... I will quote myself.
All I want to hear from you Zaf, is "I will come" or "I will not come".Fizzi said:
*cough* hmm I beat toronto's best, and lost to vwins and testrider. I'm better than you agony lol. and it was already known that we would get ***** by t.o., if you thought otherwise at the time you are crazy. the smashfests did help though. clet is the glue that holds the brawl community.
guys this is nonsense, seriously.
o.o i see montreal is having some problems lol. honestly it mite b a bad idea but montreal should have a PR like GTAN that way you cant really have as many disputes. the list shud only include tournament results and no friendlies/money matches w.e and there mayb wont b as much drama? i kno that was the case for GTA lol get ready for FFYF2 
edit: and yes chester beat me at ToS5.. pretty badly too haha chester is just a smart player
although at the time i was 4th on the PR xD
edit: and yes chester beat me at ToS5.. pretty badly too haha chester is just a smart player
although at the time i was 4th on the PR xD
thing is, we can't really have those at weeklies, because some of us don't/can't attend every week. It would have to be at a location big enough to have all the people competing, and atm we don't have access to such a place. if it was a tournament and then winners get to win money, then a lot of people would want to come, and we need a big location for that. and we've never had success with ladder matches, especially since a lot of people wouldn't be able to attend.
If we only look at tournament results, then it would be a legitimate pr I guess. but I really don't know if that's what the mtl brawl community should do one. there would be 10 times more drama than there is now. maybe it would be healthy and we'll get more "next tournament I'll outclass you, my friendly foe! : )" than "I beat ally and chu and your english teacher, so you suck BYAH BYAH DMX RUFF" bs.
If we only look at tournament results, then it would be a legitimate pr I guess. but I really don't know if that's what the mtl brawl community should do one. there would be 10 times more drama than there is now. maybe it would be healthy and we'll get more "next tournament I'll outclass you, my friendly foe! : )" than "I beat ally and chu and your english teacher, so you suck BYAH BYAH DMX RUFF" bs.
cemo
white walker
lame, swordgard. lame.
Your just saying that cause you know my english teacher would beat you at brawl
Steb
Smash Journeyman
Power ranking:
1) Ally
2) HolyNightmare
3) Cruel's MASTER SEIGIO
4) †¹Ãgøn¥¹†
5) Kirt
Omg, there's so much arguing here. I'm not even done reading yet. Bet Joel's gonna get mad seeing all this in the weeklies thread, lol.
1) Ally
2) HolyNightmare
3) Cruel's MASTER SEIGIO
4) †¹Ãgøn¥¹†
5) Kirt
Omg, there's so much arguing here. I'm not even done reading yet. Bet Joel's gonna get mad seeing all this in the weeklies thread, lol.
You sir, just won the thread.
Kev!
Smash Journeyman
This is just stupid. How old are you people?!
So many of your ''arguments'' are just a big wall of synonyms repeated over and over because you know the person they were intended for is ignoring/not grasping them. Yet they are doing the same exact thing. I remember someone posting about enjoying the ''chaos'' while eating popcorn (sorry, ''multiquote'' ****ed up on me). Well I don't agree. This childish display of FAIL could actually spoil the said popcorn.
Why don't we just play the god**** game? Friendlies to practice for FFYF2 with the occasional crew battle/mini-tourney for those who insist. We should play friendlies (with the intent to win, no just goofing around) while pointing out each other's ****-ups.
This whole thread-flooding is counterproductive, not to mention Joel will eventually show up and rising knee everyone in the face.
You (almost) all fail, seriously.
*Puts up pink flame shield*
(Toon Link is still gay)
My work here is done.
Edit: Oh, and Steb, you did indeed win this thread XD, try adding some win to it so it's less full of suck!
So many of your ''arguments'' are just a big wall of synonyms repeated over and over because you know the person they were intended for is ignoring/not grasping them. Yet they are doing the same exact thing. I remember someone posting about enjoying the ''chaos'' while eating popcorn (sorry, ''multiquote'' ****ed up on me). Well I don't agree. This childish display of FAIL could actually spoil the said popcorn.
Why don't we just play the god**** game? Friendlies to practice for FFYF2 with the occasional crew battle/mini-tourney for those who insist. We should play friendlies (with the intent to win, no just goofing around) while pointing out each other's ****-ups.
This whole thread-flooding is counterproductive, not to mention Joel will eventually show up and rising knee everyone in the face.
You (almost) all fail, seriously.
*Puts up pink flame shield*
(Toon Link is still gay)
My work here is done.
Edit: Oh, and Steb, you did indeed win this thread XD, try adding some win to it so it's less full of suck!
†¹Ãgøn¥¹†
Smash Ace
Good for you, when did you proved that? Stop being always with Zaf and the others and come play at the weeklies and show us what you can do. When did you win any tournaments or beated everybody lately? I surely didn't see you try agaisn't my MK. Cool for you if you can beat me, but quite frankly, I coudn't care less. I'm improving, and that I know for sure.
lol i caught a big fish.
you're always one of the first to get defensive when someone says he's better than you, I just like to poke fun.
you're always one of the first to get defensive when someone says he's better than you, I just like to poke fun.
MaritLage227
Smash Apprentice
can we stop arguing and just calm down? jeez im the only one still on the topic of the weeklies...
My power level is an imaginary number, it can't even be compared in this dimension!
Muahaha!
Muahaha!
Divinokage
Smash Legend
A very big one, the illusion of the ego. lol. YES I AM BETTER THAN EVERYONE!
There is no better just like there is no less.
There is no better just like there is no less.
WarranThad
Smash Ace
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roustane, speaking nonsense since... idk.
I don't understand how anyone thinks they could possibly be better than me. I'm so good I just stopped posting here or showing up to anything altogether. I'm so good I don't even NEED to stay up to date on what's going o.... wait... did Clet just say there's a tournament happening here in a month? Crap... I'm screwed.
Anyway, if there's a weekly happening this week, I'm actually going to show up this time. And I'll hopefully be bringing my Wii with the latest iteration of Brawl+, though I'm certain everyone will be too focused on regular Brawl in order to practice for the tourney.
Sidenote: So SFIV will be in everyone's hands by FFYF2... side setup?!
Anyway, if there's a weekly happening this week, I'm actually going to show up this time. And I'll hopefully be bringing my Wii with the latest iteration of Brawl+, though I'm certain everyone will be too focused on regular Brawl in order to practice for the tourney.
Sidenote: So SFIV will be in everyone's hands by FFYF2... side setup?!
Mystic Viper
Smash Ace
rofl, I <3 this thread.
I think we should come to realize that there are many ways to get better. Similar to things you learn in humanities and law school, there are different school of thought and each is as good and flawed as the rest.
What you need to get better is try and grasp all the good stuff as much as possible from each of these ideologies. What happens thought is that you favor one over the other even though. I myself have chosen how I will want to improve myself at this game.
I think we should come to realize that there are many ways to get better. Similar to things you learn in humanities and law school, there are different school of thought and each is as good and flawed as the rest.
What you need to get better is try and grasp all the good stuff as much as possible from each of these ideologies. What happens thought is that you favor one over the other even though. I myself have chosen how I will want to improve myself at this game.