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[Yingyay]

You're not going to get used to normal Fair speed in only 4 hours.
After I got used to doing away with my old Fair habits, I did not miss it. Fair abuse actually received a lot of complaints from people I've played face-to-face.

So? I complain about squirlte and falco all the time. I got used to it. -_-

But watever, I'll give it a try. 4 more hours.......tuesday

 

[colored blind]

Yeah...I don't know if I'll end up liking it or not, but four hours is not enough to produce an educated opinion on Sheik's Fair. Like Neko said, we need to develop some metagame.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

It's different when even I can agree that what you can do with Sheik's sped up Fair was excessive and worth the complaints (making already highly useful moves insane in my book). That's just me, though. :/

Food for thought, you now have a 6 frame execution window to do an AC uair from a SH rather than a 1 frame window.

 

[Yingyay]

Man Sheik's metagame is gimping, the fair helped with that. The uair buff honestly seems worthless but that may onlt be me. I dont juggle with sheik, I kill horizontally most of the time. Unless I want to go for a usmash.

 

[AtotheZ]

so ganon got more buffs huh...

 

[The_Guide]

I don't think he needs a lot of buffs either, but he needs something. Lucas wasn't horrible before all these buffs, but he still got them. I'd say he was slightly above DDD's level before he got them. Improved horizontal movement would be great when it's possible.

I forget the point at which D3's dair was made to auto-canceled, and have zero kbg. If you're comparing an un-modded Lucas to D3 with dair changes, then I respectfully disagree. Lucas had very few set-ups apart from his nair (his throws were mediocre, u-tilt was too slow to follow up with anything good), and lacked the spacing tools necessary to make up for this (most of his quick moves had low range, and pk fire was easily powershielded. I base the pk fire bit off of playing my inexperienced cousin, though.).

I could be wrong about this, as I admit that I don't have much experience playing as or against him.

 

[PKNintendo]

Animation bug fix=happy gopher.

 

[Mattnumbers]

I think he meant Ness because the last time Lucas got buffs (besides the grab/throw stuff) was a long time ago. vBrawl Lucas was in E tier.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Man Sheik's metagame is gimping, the fair helped with that. The uair buff honestly seems worthless but that may onlt be me. I dont juggle with sheik, I kill horizontally most of the time. Unless I want to go for a usmash.

The fair speed up helped more with ridiculous self-combos and more overall usage of the fair itself (which it doesn't need) than it ever did with gimping. A well placed Fair is still going to send them out at a low angle with the same execution time, unless you're just spamming them and actually need that speed up, which defeats smart usage of the move. Case in point, you don't need less lag on the Fair for it to gimp better.

Fair is still a gimp move and the best falling aerial can you ask for. Uair is a combo/juggle move and with a wide hit window, is a great rising aerial. The uses balance out rather than being all about Fair. As much as I liked to abuse the sped up Fair, it was too applicable and made Sheik rather bland.

 

[Yingyay]

The fair speed up helped more with ridiculous self-combos and more overall usage of the fair itself (which it doesn't need) than it ever did with gimping. A well placed Fair is still going to send them out at a low angle with the same execution time, unless you're just spamming them and actually need that speed up, which defeats smart usage of the move. Case in point, you don't need less lag on the Fair for it to gimp better.

Fair is still a gimp move and the best falling aerial can you ask for. Uair is a combo/juggle move and with a wide hit window, is a great rising aerial. The uses balance out rather than being all about Fair. As much as I liked to abuse the sped up Fair, it was too applicable and made Sheik rather bland.

I know all that but I always use fair more that uair. Its been my preference since melee so dont take my word for it.

 

[shanus]

Animation Engine [spunit262, Phantom Wings, Almas]
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4BFFFF94 D01F0010
60000000 00000000
C2766FB8 00000003
2C1D0001 4182000C
C0230010 48000008
C02283C8 00000000

Animation Engine Initialization [Almas]
2057FFF8 00000001
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C0000000 00000009
3D408058 614B1000
806B0000 7C65C670
1CA50010 7D2A2A14
91690008 84AB0008
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4E800020 7CA5C670
7C051800 4182FFE8
38650000 4BFFFFD4
4E800020 00000000
0457FFF8 00000002
E0000000 80008000

Data Index [Plussery]
2057FFF8 00000000
0657FFF8 00000308
00000000 00000000
25CB64A0 3F6CCCCC
01000000 00000000
14F444A0 3F6CCCCC
02000000 00000000
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08000000 00000000
34C444A0 3F6CCCCC
09000000 00000000
26AC84A0 3F6CCCCC
0A000000 00000000
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0B000000 00000000
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0C000000 00000000
36CB64A0 3F6CCCCC
0D000000 00000000
24C444A0 3F6CCCCC
0E000000 00000000
35CA64A0 3F6CCCCC
0F000000 00000000
06E844A0 3F6CCCCC
11000000 00000000
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
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12000000 00000000
44C444A0 3F6CCCCC
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24C644A0 3F8CCCCC
19000000 00000000
35CB64A0 3F6CCCCC
1A000000 00000000
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1B000000 00000000
35CA64A0 3F6CCCCC
1D000000 00000000
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
45CA34A0 3F6CCCCC
1E000000 00000000
26E644A0 3F6CCCCC
1F000000 00000000
55C644A0 3F6CCCCC
20000000 00000000
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21000000 00000000
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22000000 00000000
468554A0 3F6CCCCC
23000000 00000000
45CA64A0 3F6CCCCC
25000000 00000000
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
34E444A0 3F6CCCCC
29000000 00000000
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
44EA44A0 3F6CCCCC
2C000000 00000000
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
55C184A0 3F6CCCCC
2E000000 00000000
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
CCCCCCCC CCCCCCCC
36CB64A0 3F6CCCCC
2F000000 00000000
34ED44A0 3FE00000
00000000 00000000
0457FFF8 00000001
E0000000 80008000

untested, should fix the animation line skips like pit alr and ike sideB

 

[PKNintendo]

Are you going to update the OP with that?

 

[shanus]

no, as in, people need to test it and report back first.

 

[PKNintendo]

Oh alright...

 

[shanus]

yeah, im not home and cannot test it, meaning you guys get to help

 

[PKNintendo]

Um I got this really weird glitchy effect. Like Pit had this wind effect around him.

I may have messed up inputing the codes so i'm trying again.
And no, I didn't see any ALR for him.

(Ike's Fb was fixed it seems)

Also Character selection screen reverted to normal.

Edit: No good. I can't seem to get it to work.
See, I copy the whole plussery text file, and remove the old Animation Engine's + Data Plussery with the new ones,

but all I get are a regular CSS and a weird wind effect in Pit's (possibly everyone's) aerials.

 

[shanus]

if u get a normal CSS either the code doesnt work, or you messed up

when you made it, did you make sure to remove the weird A symbols from the text file?


EDIT:

If we cannot get this code working, can someone do the following?

IN the animation data, for every character, add in a dummy frame speed change as their first line like:

XX000000 3F800000

This is a crude fix, but it should make everything feel normal again.


replace XX with their char ID

 

[PKNintendo]

if u get a normal CSS either the code doesnt work, or you messed up

when you made it, did you make sure to remove the weird A symbols from the text file?

No... Maybe that's it.
There's a lot of them though. Do I really need to chop everyone of them out? Woah...

This may take a while.

 

[dabridge]

PKNintendo, you're doing it wrong. I don't know how, but you just are.

Just tested it. Pit's ALR is back. Thanks shanus! :D (and everyone that else that fixed it)

Edit: Marth's Uptilt speedup is back too. And I don't know what the problem was with Ike, but his side-b cooldown isn't slow, is that good?

 

[PKNintendo]

PKNintendo, you're doing it wrong. I don't know how, but you just are.

Just tested it. Pit's ALR is back. Thanks shanus! :D (and everyone that else that fixed it)

Edit: Marth's Uptilt speedup is back too. And I don't know what the problem was with Ike, but his side-b cooldown isn't slow, is that good?

Umm, I can't it to work.
Still glitchy.

What I do is manually make a new Text file, Copy and paste the Brawl+ text into said file end put it into the SD card. I also changed the file with Shanus' new changes.

(IE delete+Add)

Am I not supposed to delete anything?

 

[grim mouser]

I've just added the fixed codes. I'll post when I test it. Namely, I should check for Marth's u-tilt speedup and Pit ALR, correct?

 

[shanus]

yes sir, I've made a fixed RSBE01.gct but not sure if it works as I'm using different software on my laptop:


http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yn5g0eumyzd

 

[PKNintendo]

yes sir, I've made a fixed RSBE01.gct but not sure if it works as I'm using different software on my laptop:


http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yn5g0eumyzd

Beats the method I was using?

 

[grim mouser]

I copy/pasted it directly into my text, and here's what I saw:

Ike side-B: Ike goes into helpless after side-B use in air.

Pit ALR: Seemed to be working, except n-air lag looked strangely long. I never play Pit, though, so IDK for sure...

Marth u-tilt: Looks about the same as before. Doesn't seem to be sped up after any certain point.

 

[shanus]

Its Ike's lag on swing from sideB, not the sideB itself. He goes into special fall except on HIT

These things should be subtle, but its a very important fix.

 

[grim mouser]

I'll re-check that.

 

[shanus]

I just got further confirmation these line bugs are fixed

 

[dabridge]

I have no clue what you guys are doing wrong. Everything works fine for me now. >.>

Here's my textfile if you want to test the new fixes. (no "A" symbols)
http://64digits.com/users/dabridge/Plusery_Beta5_0_test.txt

 

[grim mouser]

Fixed .

 

[shanus]

DOWNLOAD LINK:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a99ad2b8c7a06f936e7203eb87368129774efa43a864d602ce018c8114394287

 

[Esperanto]

The Ike Side-B works fine for me, and his swing is indeed sped up. I'll try Pit and Marth, afterwards. Are there any others?

EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

[Alphatron]

When using the auto updater, is Popo not supposed to have a pac. file? I just noticed that he didn't have one when going through my folders.

 

[dabridge]

When using the auto updater, is Popo not supposed to have a pac. file? I just noticed that he didn't have one when going through my folders.

IC can't be opened with SA, so no, he doens't have a pac file. Neither do some other characters I forgot (D3 is one of them I think)

 

[Alphatron]

Ah. Alright then. I thought it was just Sakurai and the Pokemon who couldn't be opened with PSA. Turns out I was wrong.

 

[Glick]

Works like magic.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Ah. Alright then. I thought it was just Sakurai and the Pokemon who couldn't be opened with PSA. Turns out I was wrong.

Epic typo is epic.

 

[Revven]

IC can't be opened with SA, so no, he doens't have a pac file. Neither do some other characters I forgot (D3 is one of them I think)

Actually, this is wrong.

Popo's .PAC does open up, the problem lies in the fact that none of the changes OUTSIDE of his specials affect Nana. So it's basically moot to edit his .PAC until the changes to it affect Nana (especially since we want to fix her bugs).

 

[FrozenHobo]

Actually, this is wrong.

Popo's .PAC does open up, the problem lies in the fact that none of the changes OUTSIDE of his specials affect Nana. So it's basically moot to edit his .PAC until the changes to it affect Nana (especially since we want to fix her bugs).

well, any changes you make to attack animations also effect her animations, but she still has the same hitboxes.

just putting this out there, i can help with IC's pac if you want.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

dabridge, why are there stars before every line of code? O_o

 

[grim mouser]

The asterisks automatically turn on codes in the Code Manager, IIRC.