Brawl+ Ness (SEVENTEEN ****ETY THREE)

[CountKaiser]

Everything except fair was done using the gct, and the fair was done using the .pac.

 

[shanus]

Ah, then relevant frame speed lines too, please.

 

[CountKaiser]

Faster usmash

0A000032 3F99999A

Larger dsmash

490D3C5A 00037002
0D3C3C00 00190000
FFFFFFFF 3F99999A

Larger, faster PK Flash

0A000112 3FA00000
0A000118 40000000

6E01460A 03046002
01460A03 00460000
FFFFFFFF 40000000

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

is the download link for this new thing broken for anyone else?

 

[PKNintendo]

No idea.

But look at the time gap between Shanus and Kaiser! Both post of with a difference of several hours, completely not there when the other posts.

 

[CountKaiser]

It's called being busy, aka college.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

i was gone all weekend....and today i am 23


can the download link be up again?

 

[PKNintendo]

It's called being busy, aka college.

Nonono, I was just saying it's a weird (and untimely) coincidence.

College so soon? I bet that stinks.

 

[RPGsFTW]

Testable DJC soon, please! DJC Ness is the best kind of Ness I know. <3

 

[CountKaiser]

Mediafire wasn't working earlier, but as of this post it is. Go get it, guys.

 

[shanus]

yeah, work/life is entirely too busy. I didn't even get to go on my home computer yesterday.

 

[PKNintendo]

yeah, work/life is entirely too busy. I didn't even get to go on my home computer yesterday.

That's rough. Are you still at work?
That's pretty busy.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

the djc is useful for sure...it allows ness to fastfall anywhere....but unlike in melee it doesnt allow him to get hangtime in the air...

im sure if that's something we want in our djc then we can make it happen

 

[CountKaiser]

How much hangtime did Ness get from a melee djc?

Personally, I think it's fine.

 

[PKNintendo]

So Shanus did you finally get to put the line codes into Ness official Pac?

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

a noticable amount, but not a giant amount

the djc in melee made it so when u cancel your jump u didnt immediately start going down, but rather there was a small period where just stopped goingup before you started going down during which time you COULD fastfall to get to the ground faster but if u didnt u had a small hangtime in the air and then went down

 

[matt4300]

a noticable amount, but not a giant amount

the djc in melee made it so when u cancel your jump u didnt immediately start going down, but rather there was a small period where just stopped goingup before you started going down during which time you COULD fastfall to get to the ground faster but if u didnt u had a small hangtime in the air and then went down

DJC is gonna awsome.. But, I seriously dont think anyone but yoshi and ness should get it... Like lucas... he has enough ATs that ness doenst... and This would make ness completely different ... or more different than he already is.

Just a thought.

 

[thesage]

Have you guys found any combos with djc'ing? I think uair needs to be reworked for djc to have combos =/. The only reason I want to see this in is cuz I like djc and the game should be more technical. I think Ness is viable without djc'ing...

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

i've found that its too too easy to djc too close to the ground and have your aerials not come out

 

[CountKaiser]

Really?

I don't think I've ever done that yet. For me, the hitbox would always come out, with the exception of dair.

Shanus is working on other stuff, like ATs, and I'm working on JC+ Grabs.

 

[shanus]

Got some time to test it out yesterday.

So, DJC I think the timing is fine. Takes a little to get used to it, but it offers more hangtime than my previous versoin so everything felt like a cakewalk for the DJC timing.

Kaiser, your 1x hitlag fair seems a bit too hitlaggy. Maybe bring up the SDI to 1.25, and hitlag to .75x for still more difficult SDI and less 10minute hitlag window. Also, with the DJC it seems really good. I think for the initial hits, drop the 10% size boost except for the last hit, that way it can be too abused for spacing. Rest of it seemed good.

BTW, you can do frame speed changes now in PSA so that might help with JC+ & moving your speed changes in. (That or just lower the start up frame times manually)

 

[PKNintendo]

Finalllllllly!
Your compromise on fair seems fair.
Sweet. That means you liked the yo-yo's and the PK flash change?

 

[shanus]

PK flash def. didnt need to be 2x, 1.5x is more than enough with that speed.

Yoyos were okay. I still didnt find them to be terribly useful, but they werent a big deal.

 

[Mattnumbers]

Leave some buff room for TP yoyo's.

 

[PKNintendo]

PK flash def. didnt need to be 2x, 1.5x is more than enough with that speed.

Yoyos were okay. I still didnt find them to be terribly useful, but they werent a big deal.

I could live with the 1.5 size as long as speed boost remains. Yo-yo confirmation is cool.
Awesome.

We can't do TP yet matt.

 

[CountKaiser]

So wait, what's the verdict on PK Flash? 1.5 hitbox, with all the speedups?

 

[PKNintendo]

Apparently so.

 

[CountKaiser]

Alright, seems fair. I'll get on that.

Expect a new Ness set tomorrow.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah should be 2x size with speed ups


.....the one thing i ask for and look forward to in a build

 

[Mattnumbers]

We can't do TP yet matt.

I know that's why I'm telling you to leave room

 

[CountKaiser]

The dsmash hitbox increase is a ghetto fix until tp yoyos come along.

 

[PKNintendo]

A ghetto fix that I really like.

Simna, I don't like the size nerf, but these changes are better than nothing.

 

[Lil'E]

I don't get it.

Almost everyone says "Ness is fine" or "He needs no changes"... but when a SA lolwind Magnet was added and when this potential DJC was announced everyone is jizzing their pants wanting it.

The hell?

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

 

[thesage]

I don't get it.

Almost everyone says "Ness is fine" or "He needs no changes"... but when a SA lolwind Magnet was added and when this potential DJC was announced everyone is jizzing their pants wanting it.

The hell?

I was fine with Ness after the buff to his wind magnet was added in. I still don't get why your loling about it since it can and does **** a lot of recoveries...

If djc is added in, Ness would have to be rebalanced if they want the djc to actually be used like it was in 64 and melee, cuz his aerials right now don't really work well with it IMO =/ Maybe I'm just used to 64 and melee djc'ing? Only one that feels right is bair...

 

[ChaosKnight]

i swear i have some good videos up of my ness they just arent up someone has to ask thunderhorse to send the videos to one of you guys that can upload

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

2x pk flash size

 

[[TSON]]

infinite pk1

 

[Alphatron]

Sparkle Ness from kittycorp.

And the way the word "needs" gets used should sometimes be taken lightly. Ness doesn't need the wind or DJC because he won't die of starvation w/o it. What he really needs is steak.



But seriously, why not accept new changes if they open up more options for him and can add depth to his game. Like Fox. He was fine before and after shine jump cancel(which I srsly can't do)

 

[shanus]

I was fine with Ness after the buff to his wind magnet was added in. I still don't get why your loling about it since it can and does **** a lot of recoveries...

If djc is added in, Ness would have to be rebalanced if they want the djc to actually be used like it was in 64 and melee, cuz his aerials right now don't really work well with it IMO =/ Maybe I'm just used to 64 and melee djc'ing? Only one that feels right is bair...

Works well for me. I thikn you just need to modify your playstyle.