Brawl+ (Competitive Hacks): Codes, Videos, and Discussion (THREAD OUT OF DATE)

[Wind Owl]

Kupo has taken over this project, so please refer to his thread here.

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Good Job =)

 

[R0cket]

Do the codes work for every Brawl version? i.e. EU,JP,US?

 

[Ryusuta]

I asked on another thread, but no one answered. These won't hurt anything online if you only use the codes offline, right?

 

[Ori_bro]

will try this all eventully but ill have to remember this thread

 

[Wind Owl]

Do the codes work for every Brawl version? i.e. EU,JP,US?

No. Unfortunately, as of now, these codes work only on the US version.

I asked on another thread, but no one answered. These won't hurt anything online if you only use the codes offline, right?

The codes WILL cause desynch if you attempt to use them online when the other party(s) do not have the exact same codes activated. However, you can disable them simply by restarting Brawl. So no, there is no permanent negative effect induced by using these codes.

 

[Ryusuta]

Oh, cool. So, that answers my second question, which is that you CAN use them online if everyone involved are using them. Nice.

 

[Chis]

Is this for all hacks or just one kind of hack?

 

[Wind Owl]

Is this for all hacks or just one kind of hack?

I'm not sure what you mean.


ALSO: Could someone get me the No Tripping Code? I want to put it in with these.
EDIT: Oh, and the creator's name is important as well. Original thread would be nice, too.

 

[Revven]

I uploaded one match (I still have more) of WD'ing with Makkun. It's not that great but, it shows some stuff.

0WN1N (Lucas) VS. Makkun (Marth) WD Match 1

Here Wind Owl.

No Tripping (Kirby is cool with help from Y.S)
0481CB34 C0220020
045A9340 00000000

 

[Ryusuta]

Sure thing.

0% Tripping Rate
0481CB34 C0220020
045A9340 00000000

 

[Wind Owl]

Thanks, guys. I have to go again, but I'll keep working on this later.

 

[Chis]

I'm not sure what you mean.


ALSO: Could someone get me the No Tripping Code? I want to put it in with these.
EDIT: Oh, and the creator's name is important as well. Original thread would be nice, too.

I mean like other hacks, e.g. 'super' hacks like this:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBJQ3pzXfw

Or making characters large ect.

 

[kr3wman]

Nice post/thread.

+rep if there was a rep system.

 

[Revven]

I mean like other hacks, e.g. 'super' hacks like this:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBJQ3pzXfw

Or making characters large ect.

Nahh, there's already a thread with those codes. I feel this thread is mostly for competitive-enhancing codes (if you want to think they enhance the competitive aspect anyway, you get what I mean ).

 

[Wind Owl]

Nahh, there's already a thread with those codes. I feel this thread is mostly for competitive-enhancing codes (if you want to think they enhance the competitive aspect anyway, you get what I mean ).

Yes. This.

Anyway, that's about all of the videos I can remember on my own. If you want your (or someone else's) video in the list, post it in the topic.

 

[Makkun]

I uploaded one match (I still have more) of WD'ing with Makkun. It's not that great but, it shows some stuff.

0WN1N (Lucas) VS. Makkun (Marth) WD Match 1

Here Wind Owl.

No Tripping (Kirby is cool with help from Y.S)
0481CB34 C0220020
045A9340 00000000

Ahaha! I had no idea you recorded any of the matches. We will have to play again soon. I understand how to do the perfect horizontal wavedashing and everything now. I was playing with my friends on Friday, so now the matches should be more even. >:3

(He owned me in almost every single match we played) (:

 

[-sonny-]

Sorry, but what's the difference between the shield cancelling and the L-cancel code?

 

[Revven]

Sorry, but what's the difference between the shield cancelling and the L-cancel code?

The L-Cancel code works kind of like Melee's L-Cancel except it has different timing and doesn't shave off enough landing lag frames for an aerial (it DOES shave off half but, that's not enough for SOME moves). Where as the Shield Cancel code allows you to put up your shield anytime during your aerial's landing lag, getting rid of ALL the landing lag off of ANY aerial.

 

[Wind Owl]

Shield canceling simply allows you to shield during aerial lag. L-canceling halves aerial lag. The end result is that with shield canceling, you have a set amount of lag after ALL aerials (or just their normal lag, if you choose) and with L-canceling it halves lag on aerials (like Melee). Watch the Ike vs Ike vid and then watch the Melee 2.0 Falcon vid to get an idea of the difference.

EDIT: Falco400, that's not exactly true about S-canceling. S-canceling DOES have lag, and it's more than certain attacks' lag, I believe, which is why you wouldn't see Metaknight S-canceling anything (it would actually ADD lag to his attacks) but Ike and Ganon would basically cancel all of their aerials.

 

[-sonny-]

The L-Cancel code works kind of like Melee's L-Cancel except it has different timing and doesn't shave off enough landing lag frames for an aerial (it DOES shave off half but, that's not enough for SOME moves). Where as the Shield Cancel code allows you to put up your shield anytime during your aerial's landing lag, getting rid of ALL the landing lag off of ANY aerial.

Ah. Thanks!

I think I'll stick with the L-cancel code then, because the shield canceling felt just a little too easy to use. xP

 

[Makkun]

Sorry, but what's the difference between the shield cancelling and the L-cancel code?

Shield-canceling is very similar to Z-canceling in SSB64, in that it COMPLETELY removes all lag from aerials. L-canceling in Melee cut the lag frames in half, I'm not positive how Phantom Wings made his code work, but it is more similar to Melee L-cancelling than SSB64 Z-canceling.

tl;dr - S-canceling = no lag. L-canceling = small amounts of lag.

Edit: Everyone beat me to it. XD

 

[Wind Owl]

Ok, that's it... I'm going to go look for how long a shield drop is. I KNOW it was on these boards somewhere. But it is NOT zero frames like in SSB64. It's just a very fast, constant speed.

EDIT: I knew it was 9 frames! (Or, apparently, at least for Sheik it is. It can't vary by more than 2 frames among characters.)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178230
<3 Ankoku


Now, let's look at what this means. Link's Dair has (I'm making this up) something like 30 frames of lag. By S-canceling, it has 9 frames (≈30%) of lag. By L-canceling, it has 15 frames (50%) of lag.
Metaknight's Uair has 4 frames of lag (again, making this up, but it's probably true) L-canceling (or at least in Melee) caps at a minimum of 4 frames, so Metaknight would not lose or gain anything from L-canceling his Uair (100%), however with Phantom Wings' L-canceling he would STILL HALVE THE LAG, causing MK to land with a nearly nonexistent 2 frames (1/30th of a second, people!) of lag This is LESS THAN HIS NORMAL JUMP LAG. By S-canceling it, he GAINS 5 frames (225%) of lag. Do you guys see the difference now? @_@

 

[Makkun]

Ok, that's it... I'm going to go look for how long a shield drop is. I KNOW it was on these boards somewhere. But it is NOT zero frames like in SSB64. It's just a very fast, constant speed.

EDIT: I knew it was 9 frames! (Or, apparently, at least for Sheik it is. It can't vary by more than 2 frames among characters.)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178230
<3 Ankoku


Now, let's look at what this means. Link's Dair has (I'm making this up) something like 30 frames of lag. By S-canceling, it has 9 frames (≈30%) of lag. By L-canceling, it has 15 frames (50%) of lag.
Metaknight's Uair has 4 frames of lag (again, making this up, but it's probably true) L-canceling (or at least in Melee) caps at a minimum of 4 frames, so Metaknight would not lose or gain anything from L-canceling his Uair (100%). By S-canceling it, he GAINS 5 frames (225%) of lag. Do you guys see the difference now? @_@

That makes much more sense to me. I was under the impression that S-canceling was an instant lag-cancel... and technically it IS, right? It's just that you have to wait for your shield to drop, since the lag-cancel is just your shield interrupting your aerial-landing lag.

 

[Canadian*Sniper]

thanks for adding one of my videos to the list. Here's another one: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_yZ1YSnsw

Also, im going to smashfest today so hopefully ill get some replays from some of BC's best using these codes

 

[Wind Owl]

That makes much more sense to me. I was under the impression that S-canceling was an instant lag-cancel... and technically it IS, right? It's just that you have to wait for your shield to drop, since the lag-cancel is just your shield interrupting your aerial-landing lag.

Correct.

thanks for adding one of my videos to the list. Here's another one: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_yZ1YSnsw

Okay, I'll add it.

Also, im going to smashfest today so hopefully ill get some replays from some of BC's best using these codes

Have fun, and come back with more videos

 

[What?]

I wonder if SW can reduce the amount of time you're immobile when you grab the ledge.

 

[Wind Owl]

You mean PW, Phantom Wings? He probably can, but we were lucky enough to get canceling out of him, lol.

 

[kupo15]

you forgot the no tripping code. Nice thread though

 

[Wind Owl]

I didn't forget it, I just haven't gotten around to adding it yet >__>;

EDIT: Added.

 

[kupo15]

k thanks. Can you also put an icon next to the thread? Its really hard finding the thread I want here lol

 

[Revven]

Here's two more WD'ing matches from me.

0WN1N (PT) VS. Makkun (CF) WD Match 2
0WN1N (Luigi) VS. Makkun (Snake) WD Match 3

 

[Makkun]

Here's two more WD'ing matches from me.

0WN1N (PT) VS. Makkun (CF) WD Match 2
0WN1N (Luigi) VS. Makkun (Snake) WD Match 3

Ahaha. We are gonna have to record some more matches. By the way, how do you record your matches? What kind of equipment do you have?

 

[Retroend]

i'm really impressed to see how wavedashing and l-cancel work with these hacks. if only brawl couldve been like this (not entirely melee 2.0 but some what of it.)

 

[kupo15]

the new air dodge code makes cpus unplayable lol.

 

[Vulcan55]

Two new

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hIpWZURsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O-w-cmmMR8

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

can someone try l cancel, no tripping, and wavedash online? see if you desynch?

 

[Heavyarms2050]

can someone try l cancel, no tripping, and wavedash online? see if you desynch?

according to testers, as long u both have the same exact code for everything, you will not desynch

 

[Someone7]

Rather than asking Phantom Wings to personally code any more stuff for Brawl, I think he should tell the Smash community exactly what he knows about the memory addresses and their associated hex values. Like, what address controls what aspect of the game. Once we know that stuff, experimentation would precede at a much faster pace.

 

[Makkun]

Rather than asking Phantom Wings to personally code any more stuff for Brawl, I think he should tell the Smash community exactly what he knows about the memory addresses and their associated hex values. Like, what address controls what aspect of the game. Once we know that stuff, experimentation would precede at a much faster pace.

I agree. Not to put even more pressure on Phantom Wings or try to take glory from him or anything... but it would be a lot easier on him and the Smash community if more people understood more about hacking Wii games. I, for one, would definitely buy a USB Gecko if I knew anything about hacking the games.