Brawl Back Room Updates

[DeLux]

I meant in the context that I didn't want you to see my post as a disrespect.

 

[Kewkky]

I meant in the context that I didn't want you to see my post as a disrespect.

Oh, don't you worry about me, man. I don't think I could ever get offended by anything in these boards, MUCH less a simple joke post. I thought it was pretty amusing, but it was amusing in the wrong place. Like bringing social discussion into the SS for example, it's funny but you shouldn't be doing that.

 

[BPx]

its working lmao

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

Nice, those are good people. I'm real glad John12346 and theboredone made it.

 

[BPx]

you've still got a ways to go though, *******

 

[Sinister Slush]

I've been banned

And it was the most hilarious way possible.
Censored humanized pony porn with your face on it.

Spoiler

DEAL WITH IT

Actually, contrary to popular belief, there is a purposely inserted joke question put it into every BBR application thread.

And I always answered them seriously the last three times, mostly cause I find them fun.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wanted some people who didn't make it to be let in tbh, Illmatic was one of my first picks and one I thought he deserved it since pros over cons, cons being infractions, it was far more worth it.

But not my call.

 

[Marc]

For example when you released that Matchup Chart it was useless to anyone already in the community. If the BBR is comprised of the best and/or most insightful people in the community, then why not release a high level matchup analysis for us?

Someone needs to write it and the game has ~700 matchups. The soon to be released updated MU Chart will have some writeups and I'm willing to add more over time, but there are limits to how much you can demand from people. Also note that the BBR asked for outside help on this iteration of the project and of those people not everyone did their part either. If the BBR is to do more, we need a community that is willing to do more first.

As for behavior, I see alot of purple names being silly or trolling on the boards and sometimes being complete *******s. Which honestly doesn't bother me if they are getting something done, but lets not pretend that BBR members hold themselves to a higher standard all the time.

To the extent that I know about it, we do warn people or even kick them out for bad public behaviour. Feel free to shoot me a PM whenever you see someone act out of line though.

This is understandable, but I'm rarely EVER banned.
I keep my infractions in check.

I don't really feel as though behavior should interfere with being admitted. Especially when considering the 3 "recent" ones are permanent infraction points from my past. I'm not telling the lead members of the BBR what to do, but it would be wise to take into consideration investigating why members received their infractions and contacting mods or other members of the BBR if certain said member's behavior will become an issue.

Like, I'm not some complete stranger to this community... lmao. I mean, maybe to you because you live in Europe... but most players in America know me.

I didn't make the calls alone and I know very well who you are. That jab aside, I can tell you that you have way more infractions than anyone we've ever let in and we have in fact booted people for getting infracted/banned too much. As for what the line is... I think anything more than 5 pages is troublesome, but you have over twice as much with a join date of 2010. I'm sorry, but you get infracted way too much no matter what the reason for each individual infraction is. Even if you micro-manage it, the call can simply be made at some point to permanently ban you. The BBR is not above the rules of the forum it's on and if some people can go 10 years with less than a page of infractions or none at all, I fail to see how getting infractions is essential to the online experience.

And I would DEFINITELY keep them in check if I were in a group that actually needed me (for example, I did not receive one infraction after being admitted into the Brawl Panel group).

You're supposed to show good behaviour before you get admitted, not after.

Take the application you use to judge people outside the BBR and fill it out yourself. How about all of you telling us why you would be in the BBR. Then we can tell you how you measure up. I'd love to see your resumes.

Most of the current membership actually has a resume up somewhere because we've been doing them for a while now. Your suggestion is utterly pointless though, especially considering you're already going in biased.

I understand what you're saying Marc, but that was exactly the point of the application. It's more or less proven that the process is at some level politically based and isn't truly measured in terms of objective values (which is what the principles are their to promote).

When is an application process ever 100% objective? It's not an exact science, all you can do is use the resources available. We had a topic where BBR members could give their input, four completely different decision-making people read every application, we have your tournament, post and infraction history and we have your application itself. I'm interested in the motivation for your troll application that you where to send to Shaya, but I hope you realize by now why it's a problem.

So...you have people in the BBR that don't care? Kick them out!
People aren't active? Kick them out!

We do that several times a year. >_>

Xyro has been admitted into the BBR before and he is FAR worse when it comes to infraction points / trolling than I am. He had the same amount of permanent infraction points as I currently have, yet he still was admitted.

I'm actually not sure where Xyro was at when we admitted him, but we ended up having to remove him because he was banned several times. It worked similarly for Inui, who at some point was permanently banned altogether. I do think we toughened up in terms of infraction history after this, but it's always been a consideration.

Marc as well as the others, why would you not let someone in to the Back Room who has strong credentials because of their behavior (which realistically would at worst keep them inactive to the discussion for a very brief period of time), but allow an inactive member stay in if they rarely contribute at all?

We don't. You keep thinking of infractions only in terms of how you can practically work with them, but that in itself is the problem and that's besides the point that you can't ride the lines forever.

The thing is, it's not real life.

You can JOKE around on the internet and get away with it easily.... If someone thought of that post as defiance of any form, they seriously need to calm down and get a reality check or just get off the internet entirely.

I will give you that the general attitude towards the internet has changed and most people use it as their personal garbage dump these days. However, if you want to join a room on the internet your behaviour on that same internet will be part of the consideration. There are very few emotions involved here, it's just site policy to keep controversial members out of elevated user groups unless they show they can clean up their act and go without infractions for prolonged periods of time.

You say that some people didn't get in for trolling or for not following forum rules, yet one of the people who commented on Lux's troll post (and got HOPEFULLY a warning about it like I did) got into the bbr. This person talks about alcohol enduced sexual stuff on social boards and trolls all the time. (btw I <3 this person's online personality, no hate to the unnamed person).

Link the posts, I don't know who/what you're talking about. As for your idea that getting into the BBR is some kind of popularity contest, rest assured that I hate everyone equally.

 

[Laem]

And it was the most hilarious way possible.
Censored humanized pony porn with your face on it.

looool

Spoiler

link me to that honestly XD

Anyway, cheers, and gratz to every1 else who got in.
I'd comment on the situation at hand but marc is beastin' enough.

 

[Flayl]

Well one more reason for me to take the BBR less seriously :D

Dem double standards. Good job anyways Laem.

 

[Zankoku]

Wow, quite a bit of talk in this thread.

As the director of admissions, while I did not have the final say on exactly who got in, I did have quite a bit of influence on it. If you're still not satisfied with the answers you were given and want to hear my thoughts, just let me know.

Same for grievances regarding the BBR in general; I'll try to answer them as best I can, but getting confrontational with me probably won't help.

Congratulations to those who made it in, though.

 

[Kewkky]

Well one more reason for me to take the BBR less seriously :D

Dem double standards. Good job anyways Laem.

What double standards? Infractions? Well, this is a group based around the SSBB boards, admitting the "best" and the brightest (or trying to, we mess up sometimes, it's only natural). Maybe infractions don't matter to you guys, but when deciding who the best are, we are obviously going to take your board experiences into consideration. Real life or not, I don't want to work with somebody who's got a bad reputation. Would you partner up with an irresponsible classmate for a project? Would you invite a known leecher to train with you in an MMO? What if they say "if you let me team up with you, I'll be a better person"? Would you change your mind?

Just saying. Still, showing that you can change for the best BEFORE applying for anything is a show of maturity, as well as respect for those who are going to be admitting you into their group of whatever they're doing. You could be a great player, but promising you'll be good after you join holds no weight in an interview/application (see: ADHD, best Diddy player and top player, applied and was admitted because of his credentials and not paying much attention to his behavior. A day or two later, kicked out because he made an *** of himself inside).


Edit: also, for "the people who are good at trolling and got in"... Maybe they never got infracted by the room mod? When we review infractions, we don't see every post ever made in their history, but only the ones that got infracted. If you break a rule or two and nobody notices (because they did a bad job, let it happen, or whatever), we can't help not knowing. We're not omnipotent, we're just people who devote more time to the online community than most others, while maintaining certain standards to make our experience as stressless as possible, that's all.

 

[Player-1]

Well I can't make my pages of infractions (like 80% of them are warnings anyway) get any lower so I guess there's no point in ever applying again, right.


ADHD said he applied and got admitted but thought it was dumb after seeing it and quit/ got kicked out on purpose

 

[Reizilla]

Denti should have made it in the backroom. This is bull****.

 

[z00ted]

That jab aside

I wasn't taking a jab at you.
At least not intentionally.

I can tell you that you have way more infractions than anyone we've ever let in and we have in fact booted people for getting infracted/banned too much. As for what the line is... I think anything more than 5 pages is troublesome, but you have over twice as much with a join date of 2010. I'm sorry, but you get infracted way too much no matter what the reason for each individual infraction is. Even if you micro-manage it, the call can simply be made at some point to permanently ban you. The BBR is not above the rules of the forum it's on and if some people can go 10 years with less than a page of infractions or none at all, I fail to see how getting infractions is essential to the online experience.

I've already said that this is understandable.

Honestly, this whole "feedback" thing is really appreciated and has helped inform me as well as a ton of others on what the BBR looks for in it's applications.

I can also mention one huge incident that happened with one of your members which caused him to lose his modship and it was far worse than any "minor spam" infraction I've ever received. In fact, he was permanently banned and had to repeal to get his account back. There are also tons of other cases, but I don't like to call people out. Anyways, do you just pick and choose what's "acceptable" for the BBR when considering the applicant and how well you know them? Because that's exactly what it seems like, and it's very hypocritical.

If anything, there should be a rule stating the maximum number of infractions a member needs to be below to WARN people who choose to apply for the BBR.

Seems to me like others as well as myself just wasted our time not knowing this on multiple instances.

 

[Kewkky]

Well I can't make my pages of infractions (like 80% of them are warnings anyway) get any lower so I guess there's no point in ever applying again, right.


ADHD said he applied and got admitted but thought it was dumb after seeing it and quit/ got kicked out on purpose

I can guarantee you that if you don't get any infractions (or a very few amount at max, can't expect perfection), next application you're a shoe-in. Same as Illmatic.

Dunno if it's my place to say such things, but those were the main reasons some people didn't get admitted. I look at myself, almost 4 years in SWF with 4 infractions (5, but 1 was reversed since I didn't deserve it), it's a ratio of 1 infraction per year, and I haven't gotten infracted in two years probably. It's doable, and unless I'm wrong and look like one myself for lack of perception, having little to no infractions don't make you look like a fool.

 

[Lord Chair]

What double standards? Infractions? Well, this is a group based around the SSBB boards, admitting the "best" and the brightest (or trying to, we mess up sometimes, it's only natural). Maybe infractions don't matter to you guys, but when deciding who the best are, we are obviously going to take your board experiences into consideration. Real life or not, I don't want to work with somebody who's got a bad reputation. Would you partner up with an irresponsible classmate for a project? Would you invite a known leecher to train with you in an MMO? What if they say "if you let me team up with you, I'll be a better person"? Would you change your mind?

Just saying. Still, showing that you can change for the best BEFORE applying for anything is a show of maturity, as well as respect for those who are going to be admitting you into their group of whatever they're doing. You could be a great player, but promising you'll be good after you join holds no weight in an interview/application (see: ADHD, best Diddy player and top player, applied and was admitted because of his credentials and not paying much attention to his behavior. A day or two later, kicked out because he made an *** of himself inside).

This doesn't make sense. You're saying you don't want to cooperate with someone with a bad reputation, but having had a wall of infractions doesn't mean you have a bad reputation.

I didn't get admitted because I was almost permabanned once for posting suggestive material. Do I have a bad reputation? I don't think so. In fact, as far as I know my presence on this site is appreciated generally. Having had infractions doesn't make you a bad person, you can get infractions for the silliest of things and none of those things have to be bad per se. This fake 'reputation' you claim people to have based on their record of infractions is only known to moderators even.

Someone's reputation is based on what he posts and how he posts it. I'm sure I could've had 0 infractions posting nigh all the posts that are part of my post record bar 5 or 6, most of them containing a tad bit of nudity. Of course, you are allowed to view me as an immoral and evil person because of that, in which case I'd say you are fairly narrow-minded.

 

[Reizilla]

Oh ****. Chair had like literally the best application in the thread. There's something wrong with you people.

 

[Kewkky]

This doesn't make sense. You're saying you don't want to cooperate with someone with a bad reputation, but having had a wall of infractions doesn't mean you have a bad reputation.

I didn't get admitted because I was almost permabanned once for posting suggestive material. Do I have a bad reputation? I don't think so. In fact, as far as I know my presence on this site is appreciated generally. Having had infractions doesn't make you a bad person, you can get infractions for the silliest of things and none of those things have to be bad per se. This fake 'reputation' you claim people to have based on their record of infractions is only known to moderators even.

Someone's reputation is based on what he posts and how he posts it. I'm sure I could've had 0 infractions posting nigh all the posts that are part of my post record bar 5 or 6, most of them containing a tad bit of nudity. Of course, you are allowed to view me as an immoral and evil person because of that, in which case I'd say you are fairly narrow-minded.

Why did you assume your reasons were the same as Ill's and P-1's? You never asked, we never told you.

Either way, having a bad history and changing for the better is worth more than someone with an okay history and not willing to change for the better.

 

[Lord Chair]

I knew because I actually asked someone from the admission panel lol.

 

[Strong Badam]

However:
The non-admittance of Strong Bad is a travesty if the BBR is being consistent and weighing admittance heavily based on applications, which I assume is the case if you're going to publicly cite my troll application as a reason to why I was not admitted.

He easily had the strongest application by far and tack on that he is an extremely high level player, and I'm left with a real head-scratcher.

I am in complete agreement with you DeLux.

I'm down for feedback assuming I still play this game by the time the next application thread is up, but I'm pretty sure I know the main reasons lol.

 

[Kewkky]

I knew because I actually asked someone from the admission panel lol.

Well I dunno, it wasn't unanimous. I only picked 5 people, and since it's not leaking for me to disclose who I myself voted for...

John12346, DeLux, Player-1, Technical Chase, Mink

Those were my choices. Why?

John = no explanation needed.
DeLux = quite sure he would only bring constructive discussion into the BBR. Being a staff member, Smash Lab member, and URC member shows devotion to the community.
Player-1 = I haven't seen him being a bad member of the boards myself, and I personally didn't weigh infraction history too much, but I understand why others would. He seemed like a person who would bring much-needed Diddy input to the table, and is part of the URC, also shows devotion.
Technical Chase = Never seen him be a bad example, seen him post around respectfully, and devotes time to the community as a URC member.
Mink = oh Lord do we need Jiggs rep! Jokes aside, his behavior and sense of responsibility in the MU Chart project kinda made him a shoe-in for me. He took the Jiggs panel all by himself practically, and was finished before every other panel as well. He also doesn't have a bazillion infractions.

 

[Player-1]

I can guarantee you that if you don't get any infractions (or a very few amount at max, can't expect perfection), next application you're a shoe-in. Same as Illmatic.

Dunno if it's my place to say such things, but those were the main reasons some people didn't get admitted. I look at myself, almost 4 years in SWF with 4 infractions (5, but 1 was reversed since I didn't deserve it), it's a ratio of 1 infraction per year, and I haven't gotten infracted in two years probably. It's doable, and unless I'm wrong and look like one myself for lack of perception, having little to no infractions don't make you look like a fool.

wouldn't it be more practical to cite how many infractions we've gotten since the last BBR app than it would to cite how many pages of infractions we've had total?

Also, are all of the admission panel moderators or something? I'm not sure how you'd be able to even discuss the amount of infractions someone has if not everyone is a moderator and has that as viewable content since I'm pretty sure saying how many infractions someone has would be against the site policy or something so it wouldn't really be a fair discussion if not everyone has the access to view and discuss such content.

 

[Kewkky]

Nope, not everyone knew about infractions. I guess you could say mods have a higher standard, since it IS our job to keep the site user-friendly and stuff, we're kinda like judges in that sense alone. We also had people saying things like "this person may be butt online, but I know him offline and he's a freaking nice person, so come on guys, vote him in!", to summarize all of their posts into one sentence. There was no solid criteria up for everyone to see, it was just like winning the election in that you had to be the one to please everyone the most. Being a good example everywhere and every time (to be fair, just the majority of the time) practically guarantees your admittance into anything. Just look at john12346, his admittance was literally unanimous, and what kind of person is he? He even kept his cool when trying to explain his data to Jebus, and that takes a lot of patience.

 

[Marc]

(see: ADHD, best Diddy player and top player, applied and was admitted because of his credentials and not paying much attention to his behavior. A day or two later, kicked out because he made an *** of himself inside).

ADHD said he applied and got admitted but thought it was dumb after seeing it and quit/ got kicked out on purpose

You're both wrong, sort of. ADHD was admitted, but quickly butted heads with people and decided the room wasn't for him, meaning he left on his own accord. Later on he applied again and was denied that time.

I can also mention one huge incident that happened with one of your members which caused him to lose his modship and it was far worse than any "minor spam" infraction I've ever received. In fact, he was permanently banned and had to repeal to get his account back. There are also tons of other cases, but I don't like to call people out.

You're already doing it though. If you want that sort of example to matter, fully explain it so everyone knows what you're talking about or don't bother. I can't address things like that if people are being vague about them.

If anything, there should be a rule stating the maximum number of infractions a member needs to be below to WARN people who choose to apply for the BBR.

Seems to me like others as well as myself just wasted our time not knowing this on multiple instances.

There's no such thing as a clear maximum, because you also have to consider how recent they are and how long someone has been a member. I fail to see how anyone could think infractions don't matter beyond a certain point though, are you that unaware of how many you get as opposed to other people? =/ If you think you can't change and therefore will never get in, that's really on you, no one is saying that.

Also, are all of the admission panel moderators or something? I'm not sure how you'd be able to even discuss the amount of infractions someone has if not everyone is a moderator and has that as viewable content since I'm pretty sure saying how many infractions someone has would be against the site policy or something so it wouldn't really be a fair discussion if not everyone has the access to view and discuss such content.

Three Senators and a Moderator (we need to get Shaya promoted some day, lol).

 

[Lord Chair]

I like how all of my arguments are skipped.

 

[z00ted]

You're already doing it though. If you want that sort of example to matter, fully explain it so everyone knows what you're talking about or don't bother. I can't address things like that if people are being vague about them.

Not even going to bother.

It's not worth ruining somewhat of a friendship I have with multiple people by mentioning their actions in spite of my dissatisfaction of how the BBR admits and sustains it's members regarding behavior.. especially if you're going to play the "I can't address things like that if people are being vague about them" when you clearly know what I'm talking about.

Let's put it this way:

Hypothetically, a member of the BBR and a moderator of smashboards posts porn on the website.

They are removed of their modship and are permanently banned.
Later they repeal their ban and it is accepted, yet they remain in the BBR (despite a PERMANENT ban).

Meanwhile, the BBR doesn't admit players who get infracted for "minor spam".

See where it's getting hypocritical?

 

[Kewkky]

Not even going to bother.

It's not worth ruining somewhat of a friendship I have with multiple people by mentioning their actions in spite of my dissatisfaction of how the BBR admits and sustains it's members regarding behavior.. especially if you're going to play the "I can't address things like that if people are being vague about them" when you clearly know what I'm talking about.

Let's put it this way:

Hypothetically, a member of the BBR and a moderator of smashboards posts porn on the website.

They are removed of their modship and are permanently banned.
Later they repeal their ban and it is accepted, yet they remain in the BBR (despite a PERMANENT ban).

Meanwhile, the BBR doesn't admit players who get infracted for "minor spam".

See where it's getting hypocritical?

I honestly have no idea who you're talking about. I thought I knew, but after you said "posted porn", you lost me. :/

And YOU should stop assuming that we know what you're talking about. We're freaking people, not machines. If we say we don't know because you're being vague, then stop being vague instead of saying "whatever, I know you know so HA" and help us out... Geez, then people wonder why the BBR 'doesn't try to change' according to what the public thinks they should change, maybe it's because examples like Illmatic's post don't give us the feedback we want.

Seriously, the ideals behind 'friendship' are overrated. It's easier not doing anything than doing the right thing, and I will never know why.


You should also stop voicing around your most recent infraction as if it was the only one you got. Why don't you try counting from the last admission thread til this one? What about your active ones? You're looking at the ice cream you have in front of you and saying you don't like it because the cherry has a pit.

 

[Marc]

Chair, what exactly do you want me to address? You weren't let in for several reasons:
-Some BBR members spoke up against you, having had bad experiences with you. I'm obviously not going to say who said what, but there have been instances where you were unnecessarily rude and you probably know this. In some ways you do have a bad reputation, but it's more of a social thing that is easy to fix.
-Shaky history, though I have to say your infraction history isn't even that shocking. It's mostly that the nudity incident you mentioned almost got you perma-banned. This won't be held against you forever, but it's not even like it was that long ago.
-Your application was rather negative and demonstrated a lack of knowledge on the BBR. We don't like people who assume and if you only list problems and no solutions, that ultimately makes people wonder what your ambitions are.

Finally, if your argument is that infractions shouldn't matter, then that's not so much an argument as an opinion. Be aware that the people we refuse on the basis of that are in rather extreme positions and consistently ride the lines until the inevitable staff hammer falls. If you have 10+ pages, you're doing something wrong (I know you don't have that, but some people we should supposedly excuse do).

Illmatic: If you don't want to put people on blast publicly, then talk to me/other staff about it in private. I actually, in general, don't always know what people are referring to this time because on a daily basis I see tons of incidents like that. PM me the name of the person and I'll dig into the case for you, because if he was unbanned that probably means there was something you don't know about and was dealt with behind closed doors. Being demodded in itself is sort of a strike against you, but at the same time it's moreso like being a mod is a plus and you'll have to **** up big time for your history in that capacity to be held against you. You're also acting like a single "minor spam" infraction is what holds you back, but your record is really not normal. I honestly don't give a **** about a few minor infractions, but if there's like 50 it raises a red flag.

 

[z00ted]

I honestly have no idea who you're talking about. I thought I knew, but after you said "posted porn", you lost me. :/

And YOU should stop assuming that we know what you're talking about. We're freaking people, not machines. If we say we don't know because you're being vague, then stop being vague instead of saying "whatever, I know you know so HA" and help us out... Geez, then people wonder why the BBR 'doesn't try to change' according to what the public thinks they should change, maybe it's because examples like Illmatic's post don't give us the feedback we want.

You should also stop voicing around your most recent infraction as if it was the only one you got. Why don't you try counting from the last admission thread til this one? What about your active ones? You're looking at the ice cream you have in front of you and saying you don't like it because the cherry has a pit.

I don't know what he posted, but I know it got him banned immediately and it made him lose his modship.

If I know about something, I pretty much assume that a MODERATOR knows about what happened. Especially considering how rarely that particular kind of event happens.

I did count the last admission thread until this one.
Not many infractions in total.

Illmatic: If you don't want to put people on blast publicly, then talk to me/other staff about it in private. I actually, in general, don't always know what people are referring to this time because on a daily basis I see tons of incidents like that. PM me the name of the person and I'll dig into the case for you, because if he was unbanned that probably means there was something you don't know about and was dealt with behind closed doors. Being demodded in itself is sort of a strike against you, but at the same time it's moreso like being a mod is a plus and you'll have to **** up big time for your history in that capacity to be held against you. You're also acting like a single "minor spam" infraction is what holds you back, but your record is really not normal. I honestly don't give a **** about a few minor infractions, but if there's like 50 it raises a red flag.

Private messaging doesn't even really matter, because I don't want you to investigate it. I knew that's exactly how you would respond, Marc. Like you said, things probably were managed behind closed doors.

Although I'm not really pleased with how you manage certain things in the BBR, I know what is expected of it's members and I will try to abide by that if I apply again in the future.

I'm not posting anymore, lmao.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Well I dunno, it wasn't unanimous. I only picked 5 people, and since it's not leaking for me to disclose who I myself voted for...

John12346, DeLux, Player-1, Technical Chase, Mink

Those were my choices. Why?

John = no explanation needed.
DeLux = quite sure he would only bring constructive discussion into the BBR. Being a staff member, Smash Lab member, and URC member shows devotion to the community.
Player-1 = I haven't seen him being a bad member of the boards myself, and I personally didn't weigh infraction history too much, but I understand why others would. He seemed like a person who would bring much-needed Diddy input to the table, and is part of the URC, also shows devotion.
Technical Chase = Never seen him be a bad example, seen him post around respectfully, and devotes time to the community as a URC member.
Mink = oh Lord do we need Jiggs rep! Jokes aside, his behavior and sense of responsibility in the MU Chart project kinda made him a shoe-in for me. He took the Jiggs panel all by himself practically, and was finished before every other panel as well. He also doesn't have a bazillion infractions.

Though I've never really talked to you...I just want to say thank you very much for voting for me. I really appreciate every and any vote I got (that goes to everyone who voted for me in the admissions process)!

 

[Player-1]

Again, I don't see what number of pages of infractions have to do with anything if I'm a "shoe-in" if I apply next time with little infractions. I'll still have the same number of pages. Shouldn't you be citing how many recent infractions someone has received instead?

 

[Deleted member]

Marc, anything I need to improve on outside of what Shaya already posted?

 

[Zankoku]

Again, I don't see what number of pages of infractions have to do with anything if I'm a "shoe-in" if I apply next time with little infractions. I'll still have the same number of pages. Shouldn't you be citing how many recent infractions someone has received instead?

If I were to view a member's infraction history and see a stream of infractions issued over the past three months then it is pretty much just as bad as someone who has a history of getting temp-banned - the only difference being that one of you is better at beating the system with the power of math.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Chair, what exactly do you want me to address? You weren't let in for several reasons:
-Some BBR members spoke up against you, having had bad experiences with you. I'm obviously not going to say who said what, but there have been instances where you were unnecessarily rude and you probably know this. In some ways you do have a bad reputation, but it's more of a social thing that is easy to fix.
-Shaky history, though I have to say your infraction history isn't even that shocking. It's mostly that the nudity incident you mentioned almost got you perma-banned. This won't be held against you forever, but it's not even like it was that long ago.
-Your application was rather negative and demonstrated a lack of knowledge on the BBR. We don't like people who assume and if you only list problems and no solutions, that ultimately makes people wonder what your ambitions are.

OH OH DO ME NEXT!

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Austin, if you want some advice about what you can do to improve your status you can PM me.

Last time I applied, I had virtually nothing to show outside a couple of threads in the D3 boards and the fact I was the main MI TO.

And in those 7 months..I decided that I was going to make everything happen. Now I'm PRed in MI, a member of the URC, a Brawl Panelist for D3, and I pretty much run those boards. Get in the epicenter of everything you involve yourself in and people will see your efforts! I was in a very similar spot as you are in now Austin and now.....I'm getting somewhere lol. If you ever want advice holler at me! I'm more than happy to help.

^ Slush: WTF?? LOL

 

[Kewkky]

To me, it's a 'progression' thing. Are you putting in the work to try and get selected? Did you stop being a bad example? Are you all words and no action, saying you'll reapply next time but still being an *** in the website whenever an opportunity presents itself? It's not just about the pages' worth of infractions, it's about how you're trying to be viewed as. Some helpful individual that we feel deserves more, or some normal member who dances around infractions just to be the funny guy/can't control his temper?

At least, that's what I'm assuming the main panel considered.

 

[Player-1]

If I were to view a member's infraction history and see a stream of infractions issued over the past three months then it is pretty much just as bad as someone who has a history of getting temp-banned - the only difference being that one of you is better at beating the system with the power of math.

Then why not make infraction expiration dates end later...? If you think a stream of infractions over the past 3 months is as bad as someone with a temp ban then why not temp ban that person? Why not fix the system instead?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Well I dunno, it wasn't unanimous. I only picked 5 people, and since it's not leaking for me to disclose who I myself voted for...

John12346, DeLux, Player-1, Technical Chase, Mink

Those were my choices. Why?

John = no explanation needed.
DeLux = quite sure he would only bring constructive discussion into the BBR. Being a staff member, Smash Lab member, and URC member shows devotion to the community.
Player-1 = I haven't seen him being a bad member of the boards myself, and I personally didn't weigh infraction history too much, but I understand why others would. He seemed like a person who would bring much-needed Diddy input to the table, and is part of the URC, also shows devotion.
Technical Chase = Never seen him be a bad example, seen him post around respectfully, and devotes time to the community as a URC member.
Mink = oh Lord do we need Jiggs rep! Jokes aside, his behavior and sense of responsibility in the MU Chart project kinda made him a shoe-in for me. He took the Jiggs panel all by himself practically, and was finished before every other panel as well. He also doesn't have a bazillion infractions.

That made me feel very good

Thank you Kewkky

 

[Kewkky]

People will keep doing the same thing regardless, posting until they're about to get banned, then be good kids until their infractions expire. We've discussed revamping the infraction system before though, believe me. I forgot what the conclusion was, but I don't think I should disclose that information, staff's eyes only.