Brawl-: 1.5-1.6 thread archive. 2.0 is stickied

[Budget Player Cadet_]

The first of the changelists in the second post.

 

[Zander6669]

I really wanna play with others anyone know a place to get friend number of other people playing this?

 

[SpongeJordan]

I really wanna play with others anyone know a place to get friend number of other people playing this?

Wifi doesn't work for some unknown reason.

 

[Revven]

Actually, it does, I played a few matches with Guy today and the only desync we had was when I picked Snake and because he didn't have the common3.pac (needed for Snake's grenade changes) we desynced. It should work just fine as long as you have all the files necessary. If you get one or two desyncs but can play a ton of matches total, then there's nothing too much to worry about other than that they are trying to find the problem code that may be causing those 1 or 2 desyncs.

 

[Zander6669]

So stay tuned until the desync issue is solved?

 

[Zwarm]

Xyless and I just finished playing and we only desynched twice, the first time was because he was being Kirby and stole my ROB's power. He beeped too much or something. =P The second was just randomly at the start of a GW vs. ZSS match.

 

[Moseythepirate]

Thoughts on Bowser...

I main Bowser, and love what was done with him, but he is rather overpowered, mostly because of his super-armor. I completely destroy most characters without effort, and Brawl- really shouldn't be about character matchups. I'm thinking that to balance him against everyone, while maintaining his inherent Bowser-ness, the super armor should change depending on what he's doing. I'm thinking that giving him 10% super armor while standing, moving, or in the air, 5% super armor while attacking, and 20% super armor while using the Whirling Fortress would be really, really cool.

 

[SpongeJordan]

Thoughts on Bowser...

I main Bowser, and love what was done with him, but he is rather overpowered, mostly because of his super-armor. I completely destroy most characters without effort, and Brawl- really shouldn't be about character matchups. I'm thinking that to balance him against everyone, while maintaining his inherent Bowser-ness, the super armor should change depending on what he's doing. I'm thinking that giving him 10% super armor while standing, moving, or in the air, 5% super armor while attacking, and 20% super armor while using the Whirling Fortress would be really, really cool.

He's not overpowered, we've been over this repeatedly, he's just the noob-rapist.

Dsmash is pretty beast, though.

 

[The Sex Puma]

Finally got to play.

 

[comboking]

Anyone want to play Brawl Minus online tomorrow?
Is Ike's sword supposed to be on fire?

 

[Revven]

When he fully charges Eruption and you hold shield to keep the charge, yes.

 

[Xyless]

He always starts with Eruption charged in Training Mode and WiFi Waiting Room I think.

 

[comboking]

Ok thats why his sword was on fire the whole time. Unless the sword is black I believe.

 

[Zander6669]

Only when you charge it up neutral A can be charged with shield cancel. Also charge stays after death so can come back with a 1 hit ko.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

He always starts with Eruption charged in Training Mode and WiFi Waiting Room I think.

WWR when you're waiting for wifi to start, or in general?

 

[SpongeJordan]

Anyone want to play Brawl Minus online tomorrow?
Is Ike's sword supposed to be on fire?

It signifies you have a full charge of Volcano. Think of it like Lucario's flashing to imply he has a full aura sphere.

Guess this was answered a good 4 times before I actually posted

 

[theunabletable]

Hey, so after playing some more today, mind if I have a few suggestions for Fox?

Is there any way to make Fox's lasers go further?
Also Imo he should be a little bit faster falling so he can SHDL like Melee (I mean if you're already giving him back his Waveshine, why not keep going and make him feel like Melee with a few more tricks?). And it'd be really cool if you could give Fox L-cancelling, imo.

Oh and can you add the handicap = buffer code? There really isn't any downside to adding it, and it'd make characters like Fox feel way better without having to worry about accidently buffering a shield or roll or something after the wavedash (doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough for me to want to lower my buffer lol).

Other than those things, I love, love, love it!

 

[[TSON]]

lol do you really think something like that would slide by bpc

 

[theunabletable]

^The Fox thing is just a loose suggestion. After playing him a lot I was thinking the whole time it'd be a lot cooler if he was a little more Melee-ish, since he already has some of his tricks back (like waveshining). Just think that he'd feel a lot better with adding his fast SHDL again and L-cancelling.

But I don't see any problem with the handicap = buffer thing...

 

[Remzi]

Yes, it can. Also, it can't be regrabbed out of.

What I meant was Dthrow>shine. The shine jab locks. You can just keep pivot grabbing off of that for an infinite. I'm pretty sure the shine is guaranteed, you can't tech until after...

 

[[TSON]]

Sorry, you misunderstood me. I was responding to BPC's post.

Is there any way to make Fox's lasers go further?

Yep.

Also Imo he should be a little bit faster falling so he can SHDL like Melee (I mean if you're already giving him back his Waveshine, why not keep going and make him feel like Melee with a few more tricks?).

I thought he can SHDL?

And it'd be really cool if you could give Fox L-cancelling, imo.

I'll see what I can do.

Oh and can you add the handicap = buffer code? There really isn't any downside to adding it, and it'd make characters like Fox feel way better without having to worry about accidently buffering a shield or roll or something after the wavedash (doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough for me to want to lower my buffer lol).

Other than those things, I love, love, love it!

If we add it, it won't default to 0, and it also won't be in the main menu to avoid confusing casuals and noobs.

What I meant was Dthrow>shine. The shine jab locks. You can just keep pivot grabbing off of that for an infinite. I'm pretty sure the shine is guaranteed, you can't tech until after...

O_O?! Can someone make a video of this so I can see what we're dealing with...?

 

[Xyless]

WWR when you're waiting for wifi to start, or in general?

Just waiting for wifi. Basically, any mode that is more or less single player.

 

[theunabletable]

I thought he can SHDL?

He can, but not nearly as fast as Melee.

If we add it, it won't default to 0, and it also won't be in the main menu to avoid confusing casuals and noobs.

You could go the way of Brawl+ and have it explain buffering in the opening screen or w/e you call it.

 

[[TSON]]

Even explaining it would ruin wifi matches even worse than they already are lol

 

[Z'zgashi]

Does the download come with gecko or do we have to download that separately

 

[UTDZac]

Is there an official changelist for the beta? When I post my new tourney thread I want to show off all the changes of Brawl Minus... you know... since I'll be hosting it as the side event.

 

[[TSON]]

A full one? Not yet.

What we do have is in the OP.

 

[peril1337]

Charizard feels pretty meh, he lacks the power most other characters have and unless I'm missing something he has no unique tricks, except for down smash grounding opponents. Everything else is great.

 

[Zwarm]

^ Charizard has a better glide attack, 5 jumps, and super armor on his f-smash. His bair is no joke, either.

 

[[TSON]]

Land during the beginning of his dair

 

[Kirk]

Changelists are in the works.

Charizard has ridiculous power.

Fox's lasers already travel farther. And he can already SHDL without fast falling.

Fox Dthrow > shine "locks" and forces a getup, yes. But it CAN be teched before the shine. Wouldn't have kept it like it is if it wasn't escapable.

 

[Revven]

It's basically Fox's Melee Dthrow, which could also be teched out of. Here it's pretty different because it's actually a bit harder to tech than in Melee but, it's still possible to tech every time if you get the timing down and play the MU a lot.

 

[Rkey]

There's so much feedback now, which is great!

Am I the only one feeling that this is the real beginning of the project?

 

[Nelo Vergil]

Would any number of people like to wifi a bit later, Id like to try Ike and Link in a number of different match up's.

Speaking of Link, Ive been slightly irked by something, is it still possible to item DACUS (while he's holding a bomb, or even a deku nut), I can Up-smash DACUS no problem,. but whenever I try to Bomb Slide, rarely I can get him to move a few inches, but all I ever get is either a self bomb explosion, or I slide an inch or two, and lob the bomb forward way off stage, so Im figuring the Up-angled throw (let alone the reverse, which I had enough problems doing in normal Brawl) are either harder, or just not possible. Can anyone confirm this

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Hey, so after playing some more today, mind if I have a few suggestions for Fox?

Is there any way to make Fox's lasers go further?
Also Imo he should be a little bit faster falling so he can SHDL like Melee (I mean if you're already giving him back his Waveshine, why not keep going and make him feel like Melee with a few more tricks?). And it'd be really cool if you could give Fox L-cancelling, imo.

This stuff is good. However, I'd honestly sooner recommend Z-cancelling. :V

Oh and can you add the handicap = buffer code? There really isn't any downside to adding it, and it'd make characters like Fox feel way better without having to worry about accidently buffering a shield or roll or something after the wavedash (doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough for me to want to lower my buffer lol).

I said it again and again-ADD THIS CODE. >.> We'll add it in the next update, I guess...

lol do you really think something like that would slide by bpc

Whoops...

Does the download come with gecko or do we have to download that separately

Need to DL on your own, sorry.

Is there an official changelist for the beta? When I post my new tourney thread I want to show off all the changes of Brawl Minus... you know... since I'll be hosting it as the side event.

We are working on a complete changelist. But for right now, what's in the second post is what we have, AFAIK.

 

[Xyless]

There's so much feedback now, which is great!

Am I the only one feeling that this is the real beginning of the project?

Pretty much! Nothing like unbiased feedback, EH?

 

[Jam Stunna]

I second posting Ike's changelist, please.

 

[blakinola]

Brawl- is the funnest thing I've played in a while!

Will be hosting side events, kthxbye!

 

[Azurie]

I noticed Mario is missing his infinite fludd. Was this a decision of balance or did you guys just forget to put the code into the gct... ... again.

 

[Xyless]

Just going to ask people to check something for me. I believe Lucario might be one of the main desynching characters (just for being there). Could more people test this to find out?