• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

Bowser's Keep - Bowser Video Archive

KingKong_ad

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2009
Messages
542
I went to a tournament at Ottawa 2 weeks ago and I have the videos now.

KingKong against Classic (PacMan) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP1rKbTukko&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&index=14

KingKong against Boreal_Holy (ROB) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb8XbXBCTms&index=7&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB

I was before the tourney I got 2nd but still, I feel I did better in this set against Holy.

Btw Im posting my sets to receive feedback cuz even if I can see of my errors its always good tohave a feedback from someone else. And so far you are showing me things I didnt see. Thanks everyone. Btw, if it helps people at the same time nice :)

Even if I dont answer back each time, I do read what you wrote and take it into consideration !
 

LIQUID12A

Smash Modder
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Messages
16,477
Location
South Florida
NNID
LIQUID12A
3DS FC
0877-1606-0815
It's been too long since I posted a video.


This Ryu was brutal. I think I have the basics down for fighting him, though. I welcome criticism.
 
Last edited:

KingKong_ad

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2009
Messages
542
Videos from my last weekly

Winners Quarters: KingKong vs AoD_Luffy (Ness,Mario) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQOY1D8yAzg&index=16&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB Dair breaks at 2:40-2:46 and 4:49-4:52

Winners Semis: KingKong vs Aigachu (Zss,Lucina) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaX9v5HVLFw&index=17&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB

Winners Finals: KingKong vs Boreal_Holy (ROB) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhgJjv1kLDM&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&index=18 Fair to Grab combo at 2:52-2:55

Losers Finales: KingKong vs Boreal_DooM (Greninja) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csLEMC4obGM&index=19&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB Dair breaks at 9:38-9:42


I did so many errors.... I need to work on my edgeguard like seriously ( and a lot of other things)
 

Hitman JT

The Infinite One
Joined
Nov 9, 2008
Messages
1,120
Location
The Gates of Hell
NNID
JT.Hitman
3DS FC
1435-5432-6684
Huh. D-air gets you out of Mario's d-throw at low percents for free like that? That's new
 

KromosomY

Smash Cadet
Joined
Oct 12, 2015
Messages
28
Sorry guys. I know I'm offering little to none posting these FG videos. I'm hitting a cap with the meta I have access to, which is just Singapore and a few guys here & there from South East Asia. There's a lack of interesting battles for me further work on my Bowser play.

In the meantime, if there's small things for me to work in optimization and fundamentals, mistakes in details such as ruinous follow-ups. Do let me know!

 

Cronoc

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jan 14, 2015
Messages
211
Location
California
NNID
Cronoc

Damn, I didn't know Bowser's super armor was THAT good.
Mac is one of the very few matchups where tough guy can help Bowser... LM should know better than to use jabs on us. Lucky that he mistimed the knockout punch. If he'd waited a moment longer to hit the ground he'd have hit you with the killing version of it.
 

KromosomY

Smash Cadet
Joined
Oct 12, 2015
Messages
28

Damn, I didn't know Bowser's super armor was THAT good.
I wouldn't say that Mac was playing appropriately in that matchup. Lil Mac and Pikachu's Jab spam are pretty useless on Bowser's Tough Guy, up to 60%. My guess is that either the Lil Mac had no idea that would happen, or that he/she may have accidentally hit one way too many As for some reason.

A Mac who knows this matchup would never use Jab that way on bowser, on-stage <60%. However Mac's Jab spam has usefulness edge-guarding on the rare occasion Bowser tries recovering/retaliating at stage height.
 

Hitman JT

The Infinite One
Joined
Nov 9, 2008
Messages
1,120
Location
The Gates of Hell
NNID
JT.Hitman
3DS FC
1435-5432-6684
Big Sean Big Sean Gotta work on not getting ledge trumped like the commentators said. Not much else to say about the first match...it's ZSS and she's terrible for us. Although that guy was throwing out grabs left and you kept getting caught. Against Mario it just looks like you panicked and became impatient. You did fine for a while with powershielding fireballs and punishing rolls but it all went downhill when you got grabbed, juggled, then yolo down-aired or down B'd. Lots of grab whiffs when you were a stock behind too. Can't over-commit against characters like Mario or you'll be back in the air getting juggled again. That guy really wasn't doing anything special, you just let yourself get frustrated.
 

KingKong_ad

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2009
Messages
542
I got 4th of 67 last weekly, behing Ally, Holy and SuperGirlKels who are also the 3 sponsored player of my region >.>

KingKong vs AD (Roy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzo...pKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&spfreload=10
KingKong vs Sills (Lucina, Megaman): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZkJDBF01Q&index=21&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB
KingKong vs wtt/wawassi (Luigi): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQVbLhrIo8&index=22&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB
KingKong vs Boreal_Ally (Mario): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJmHrE7HuCc&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&index=23 I got rekt enough said. Will do better next time.
KingKong vs Boreal_Holy (R.O.B): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W911qD2QsOI&index=24&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB

I still didnt play SuperGirlKels once :/
 

Jerodak

Smash Lord
Joined
Feb 10, 2013
Messages
1,098
Location
North Carolina
NNID
Jerodak
3DS FC
1633-5601-9085
KingKong_ad KingKong_ad

I've noticed from watching vs Ally and vs Holy that you seem to have a habit of doing a run back and forth from and to the ledge when you get your opponents offstage.

I'm not sure why you're doing it, but it's costing you a lot of pressure when your opponent is recovering. Especially in game one vs Holy at around 1:00 where he's sent offstage, and you have the Gyro.

That was a very powerful position to be in, especially with Rob recovering low. However, you gave up any opportunity to capitalize by running away from the ledge. Then by the time he ledge grabbed you're up in the air tossing the gyro up, at which point you get ledge jump forward aired. This led to you losing the gyro and gave Rob all of the momentum which led to the first stock you lost.

You went from being in a prime position to gimp Rob to losing all your momentum, and eventually your first stock, just like that. Sometimes I noticed you would walk away from the ledge instead. That's much better, but you still weren't really applying much pressure on Rob's recovery or ledge options.

I also noticed that you were a little too eager to throw the gyro a few times. Sometimes it's better to hold it, since you can create pressure simply by hanging onto it. It can also help you get in on rob a little easier, which is ultimately the goal of neutral in this match-up.

Now, I'm going to go on a bit of a tangent here, but it's somewhat relevant and might be useful to newer players.

Bowser's strongest areas, in my experience, are, in no particular order, when the opponent is "in the corner", when your opponent is on a platform with you under them especially if knocked prone, when he's covering an opponent's landing, when the opponent is coming back to the stage especially during low recovery, and when the opponent is in the process of grabbing the ledge, or has already grabbed it and is attempting to get up.

These are the areas where Bowser can exert the most dominance, he can apply a lot of pressure and really make the other player feel his presence.


Getting back to the point, for the ledge specifically; when your opponent snaps to the ledge, just between ledge trumping and fortress, you have a workable 50/50 on basically everyone. You can also substitute up smash or down smash in place of fortress and have a k.o mix up. You could also possibly try a retreating n-air for a safer option than fortress just in case, it should work as long as you get the launch, and 20 frames is not easy for most characters to punish from the ledge.

During non-tether snaps, there's a 20 frame window where you have to wait on the ledge before you can do anything, timing a variable burst of firebreath (it starts up on frame 23) with the opponent's ledge snap can be used as a safe way to cover multiple options. Also, because firebreath is a decent cornering option, you may get your opponent back offstage in the drop zone.

You can also time jab 1 with a ledge snap (because it takes 21 frames to complete) and use it to time an attack against their ledge options. This tactic is most effective if they like to get off the ledge right away. So it's a possible method to condition your opponent into waiting, where ledge trumping becomes more effective.

Hopefully none of this was too basic or boring for you, but I felt like giving you a few simple ideas for set-ups at the ledge might help you to pick up at least a few more edge guards.

Keep up the great work, looking forward to seeing you take first place.
 

KingKong_ad

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2009
Messages
542
Thanks for all the tips!! I really appreciated them.

For the habit close to the ledge, I notice it the other day and you are right. There is no reason for me to do it. I just think Im afraid of my opponent when he is on the ledge since I fail a lot of my punishes there. I took notes of what you said about the pressure I can do when my opponent is on the ledge. I feel my really weak point is on that exxact situation. I gotta work on it.

Ima be first soon ;)
 

S_B

Too Drunk to Smash
Joined
Aug 11, 2006
Messages
3,977
Location
NH, Discord: SB#6077
Switch FC
SW 5369-1969-6280
I got 4th of 67 last weekly, behing Ally, Holy and SuperGirlKels who are also the 3 sponsored player of my region >.>

KingKong vs AD (Roy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzo...pKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&spfreload=10
KingKong vs Sills (Lucina, Megaman): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZkJDBF01Q&index=21&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB
KingKong vs wtt/wawassi (Luigi): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQVbLhrIo8&index=22&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB
KingKong vs Boreal_Ally (Mario): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJmHrE7HuCc&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&index=23 I got rekt enough said. Will do better next time.
KingKong vs Boreal_Holy (R.O.B): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W911qD2QsOI&index=24&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB

I still didnt play SuperGirlKels once :/
Great matches, man.

I'm confused as to why Wawassi didn't up+B you when he had the chance, though. Last I checked, they buffed the flaming uppercut hitbox, right?
 

KingKong_ad

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2009
Messages
542
Thanks !

I was also wondering about that, my guess is he wasnt sure if I could shield it in time. So he probably prefered to play safe at that time. Also, the pressure can make you do mistakes. Might be it too.
 

theONEjanitor

Smash Champion
Joined
May 31, 2006
Messages
2,497
Location
Birmingham, AL
NNID
the1janitor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NK1qrkxHQc
here are some For Glory matches, the competition isn't that steep because it's For Glory but still would like some feedback if there's any to give. I do get wrecked by a Megaman a couple times though (seems like a really hard matchup for Bowza), so if you'd like to critique those matches in particular, they start at 10:50
 

Big Sean

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jun 3, 2003
Messages
484
Location
Berkeley
got some videos of my sets at the major i recently attended, specifically my pools games (i have one bracket set i need to find and upload tho)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftRdmLcKVY vs donkey kong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eig8AySHgMQ vs rosalina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV-OTIfz-Ek vs donkey kong (again, shoutouts to bracket pools)
Damn man you are really good. I really love your movement, that's currently something i've been incorporating into my game and finding great success with. One thing I don't do yet is the downward tilted ftilt to catch regrabbers. Instead I use dtilt. Is there a benefit? Maybe the ftilt catches the 2 frame window and dtilt doesn't or something?

I hope to see more videos against people that are more at your level next time lol
 
Last edited:

S_B

Too Drunk to Smash
Joined
Aug 11, 2006
Messages
3,977
Location
NH, Discord: SB#6077
Switch FC
SW 5369-1969-6280
got some videos of my sets at the major i recently attended, specifically my pools games (i have one bracket set i need to find and upload tho)
Yeah, I love the near constant movement.

A lot of people say to keep Bowser grounded but you make a pretty good argument for using fading Fairs against the right characters...
 

S_B

Too Drunk to Smash
Joined
Aug 11, 2006
Messages
3,977
Location
NH, Discord: SB#6077
Switch FC
SW 5369-1969-6280
True, but it won't catch many jumps.

Also, not an example of good Bowser play, but still think it's funny when this happens:
(I'm still training my muscle memory to squeeze the trigger to jump while using fortress OoS, which results in a lot of accidental rolls, sigh...)

Also also, I had no idea get up attack could do this...
 
Last edited:

Big Sean

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jun 3, 2003
Messages
484
Location
Berkeley
S_B S_B oh yeah i've had the stage spike thing happen a few times in tournament. When they look at me with this salty "WTF?!" face I always tell them the same thing. "Look man I didn't program the game, I just play it"
 

Boozer

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Aug 9, 2008
Messages
88
Location
australia
NNID
DevilBoozer
3DS FC
4124-5214-3831
Damn man you are really good. I really love your movement, that's currently something i've been incorporating into my game and finding great success with. One thing I don't do yet is the downward tilted ftilt to catch regrabbers. Instead I use dtilt. Is there a benefit? Maybe the ftilt catches the 2 frame window and dtilt doesn't or something?

I hope to see more videos against people that are more at your level next time lol
yeah, what aero said. much easier to catch the 2 frame with ftilt than dtilt imo (dog)

i've uploaded the bracket set i had recorded. unfortunately i had to play against the same person i lost to in pools due to not 10/10 seeding, but oh well~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo9k2FGcns
 

KuroganeHammer

It's ya boy
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
15,985
Location
Australia
NNID
Aerodrome
I won't lie, it's slightly amusing that you played 4 matches but only played the same 2 people in all 4 of them
 

BarSoapSoup

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Nov 16, 2015
Messages
353
Location
LV-426
Videos from my last weekly

Winners Quarters: KingKong vs AoD_Luffy (Ness,Mario) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQOY1D8yAzg&index=16&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB Dair breaks at 2:40-2:46 and 4:49-4:52

Winners Semis: KingKong vs Aigachu (Zss,Lucina) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaX9v5HVLFw&index=17&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB

Winners Finals: KingKong vs Boreal_Holy (ROB) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhgJjv1kLDM&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB&index=18 Fair to Grab combo at 2:52-2:55

Losers Finales: KingKong vs Boreal_DooM (Greninja) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csLEMC4obGM&index=19&list=PLpKmc35BaFbe_Lk2cchtQB-qfbShapeOB Dair breaks at 9:38-9:42


I did so many errors.... I need to work on my edgeguard like seriously ( and a lot of other things)
I actually really enjoyed watching you play. :) Congrats on getting all the way to Winners Finals
 

MagiusNecros

Smash Master
Joined
Nov 16, 2014
Messages
3,176
Yeah, I love the near constant movement.

A lot of people say to keep Bowser grounded but you make a pretty good argument for using fading Fairs against the right characters...
If anything the Bowser should never dbl jump. Which he never did so I won't yell at him.
 

KuroganeHammer

It's ya boy
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 15, 2012
Messages
15,985
Location
Australia
NNID
Aerodrome
People use double jumps to bait all the time. It's especially good with characters that have multiple jumps but that doesn't mean Bowser can't do it.
 

Jerodak

Smash Lord
Joined
Feb 10, 2013
Messages
1,098
Location
North Carolina
NNID
Jerodak
3DS FC
1633-5601-9085
Bowser can definitely use double jumping for baiting. Don't abuse it, obviously but you really have no reason to stay on the ground 100% of the time. If you never jump at all, your opponent never has to think about any of your air options in neutral.
 
Last edited:

Cassius.

you're deadMEAT.
Joined
Feb 23, 2009
Messages
2,672
Location
Bronx, NY
NNID
CVSSIUS
3DS FC
3239-3108-0529
http://www.twitch.tv/smashtheroc/v/28440326 Doubles set from the tournament I went to this past weekend @ the 57 second mark; teamed with the best player in Syracuse/my static for this semester. I'm like 99% sure the sound is out of sync, but whatever. Lots of dropkicks lmao

No real singles sets of Bowser to show off because I didn't really use him in Singles aside from pools/part of loser's bracket, which didn't happen on stream.

edit: this isn't watchable; the capture card ****s itself every 2 seconds
 
Last edited:

Ffamran

The Smooth Devil Mod
Joined
Aug 25, 2014
Messages
14,629
KingKong? More like KingKoopa! Actually, I only watched his set against Fwed's Fox, so I don't really know how well he did nor do I know much about Bowser. Still, some of his sets were uploaded on YouTube. Apparently, he took 5th: http://smashloft.challonge.com/sm4shmtl50. Anyway, watch, enjoy, and critique away.

KingKong's Bowser vs. NT.Barber's Toon Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn1V8MO4C84.

KingKong vs. Fwed's Fox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOH0QgU1DPw.

KingKong vs. SuperGirlKels's Sonic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLqae2_grog.

KingKong vs. DooM's Greninja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqq-tuh93Q.
 
Top Bottom