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Yeah, 0-death'ing Fox is hilariously easy.
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Bowser MU discussion
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Chaos_Blasta
Smash Journeyman
Bowser-Zelda can be at Bowser's advantage imo
and it's not hilariously easy to get a starting hit on fox lol
and it's not hilariously easy to get a starting hit on fox lol
9Kplus1
Smash Master
This^
as mentioned, getting a hold of Fox is absurdly hard if the Fox knows what to do. They don't even have to play perfectly; proper dash dancing is more than enough to keep Bowser in his place.
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Just gotta outfox the Fox
Chaos_Blasta
Smash Journeyman
If you weren't a fatass with absolutely horrid endlag on basically everything and horrible frame data overall maybe that would be feasible
enjoy lasers
enjoy lasers
So, what do you think the ratio is then?
Chaos_Blasta
Smash Journeyman
IDK. The biggest problem vs Zelda is that she can zone you out hard with dins if you let her have any breathing room at all. You have to be agressive, being mindful that she has fairly good frame data and can almost always dodge things, and just try to get the simple hits in until you build a good amount of %. I've killed her with Uair at around 60% lmao.
Frost | Odds
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Link hoses Bowser really hard, unless it's on Warioware or Yoshi's basically.
It's not impossible, but probably 70/30. I think it's Bowser's worst MU.
It's not impossible, but probably 70/30. I think it's Bowser's worst MU.
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Well, yeah, you're Bowser.
She might be really good too. No good ZSS in Calgary so idk
GoblinGamerKid
Smash Cadet
I agree link could beat boozer
Does anyone have some ideas/strats for Bowser vs Ike mu?
Does anyone have some ideas/strats for Bowser vs Ike mu?
Thane of Blue Flames
Fire is catching.
Roy v/s Bowser can be summed up by this.
Roy:
a) Crouch at edge
b) D-tilt
c) F-Smash
Roy:
a) Crouch at edge
b) D-tilt
c) F-Smash
GeZ
Smash Lord
Bowser vs Ike is pretty straight forward. What part of it gives you trouble?
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
Bowser has always seemed to me like a all or nothing character. If he gets momentum there is almost no stopping him, but if he's pressured it's over (almost).
I feel that the Ike v Bowser MU is fairly easy for Bowser to capitalize on. Ike's combo game just isn't suited to deal with Bowser's armor. One Nair and the match is reset and Ike's side be for approach is defeated by Flame Breath.
I feel that the Ike v Bowser MU is fairly easy for Bowser to capitalize on. Ike's combo game just isn't suited to deal with Bowser's armor. One Nair and the match is reset and Ike's side be for approach is defeated by Flame Breath.
Chaos_Blasta
Smash Journeyman
Bowser-Ike is fairly easy.
The biggest problem is recoering, because you can easily get hit by aerials or even by an Fsmash depending on how you are recovering. It's usually safe as long as you recover very high or if you sweetspot the ledge (Although obviously Down B ledgegrab is still the best option)
The biggest problem is recoering, because you can easily get hit by aerials or even by an Fsmash depending on how you are recovering. It's usually safe as long as you recover very high or if you sweetspot the ledge (Although obviously Down B ledgegrab is still the best option)
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
I don't think that it's one sided. Ike's range definitely gives Bowser pause, but I think that King Koopa has the advantage here.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
I'm making a MU chart and I'm on Bowser right now so I will need your help with the MUs. First off, I already got CF and Zard, now I need Diddy Kong. Thoughts?
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Diddy should poop on bowser if he knows how to play remotely defensively. Bowser can't really get through the projectiles or the command grab, and is super vulnerable to Diddy's meteor (and command grab spike).
deadjames
Smash Lord
Yeah I haven't actually played the MU from Bowser's point of view, but I definitely think it's in Diddy's favor. It's interesting to note that Bowser can armor through bananas and not slip though.
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Regardless, if he attempts to traverse a banana by any means, he gonna get grabbed/peanutted/whatever
deadjames
Smash Lord
No I meant he can armor through them when Diddy throws them at him.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
Yes but to what end? Diddy could just take advantage of his poor approach. Also ICs?
deadjames
Smash Lord
Let's say Diddy tries to approach by glide tossing a banana, Bowser can dash attack and not slip on said banana thus punishing Diddy's approach, or you could Koopa Klaw through the 'nana and grab him etc.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
Or he could glide toss a retreat and then hit your dash attack with a side b. I think that he has the advantage here, but it's not a huge advantage. I'm really sorry to rush you guys, but I have 1681 MUs to research. Sorry if you feel pressured.
I'm on Ike, Ivy, and Jiggs right now. I think Bowser has an advantage against Ike and Ivy.
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deadjames
Smash Lord
If he does a retreating glide toss he'll be too far away to command grab and the side-b attack has an even shorter distance, I'm not saying Bowser wins the MU, I'm just saying bananas aren't as annoying for him as they are for some characters. Ike is even and Ivy beats Bowser imo. Oh and I have no idea about ICs, but any character with a solid grab game should destroy Bowser in theory.
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DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
I saw a high level match between a Bowser and Ivy, Bowser seemed to have the upper hand. Also Ike seems to be losing against King Koopa as well, nair or grounded up-b really kill Ike's combo game. Am I wrong?
deadjames
Smash Lord
The Bowser player probably had a better handle on the MU than the Ivy player did, Ivy has a lot of tools that can shut Bowser down, razor leaf, seed bomb zone him out and if Bowser does manage to get in Ivy can just shield grab him and combo him to death, that said if Ivy plays too recklessly Bowser can kill him ridiculously early since he's so floaty. As for Ike, cmart explained why it was even a couple pages back.
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DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
Ike even? Got it, if Cmart says it's even I'll take his word for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E5H08jkOLc
Sweet vs. 9K+1
deadjames
Smash Lord
That video is 2.6. Bowser and Ivy have both changed quite a bit post 3.0, specifically a lot of the offstage stuff 9K+1 was doing doesn't work anymore since Bowser's bair has later IASA frames now. Also just because you see someone win a MU doesn't necessarily mean it's in their character's favor. For example I bop a lot of the Marth players in my area with Mario, but that MU still sucks for Mario they just get outplayed because I'm more well-versed in the MU.
Edit: Ivy's fthrow also doesn't kill until really high percents now.
Edit: Ivy's fthrow also doesn't kill until really high percents now.
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Jacob29
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Ah yeah, back when BAir really good vs Ivy off-stage.
Still good ofc, but man the timing on it is harsh now.
I think if Ivy spaces correctly its extremly hard for bowser to approach. The range of her Fair and Bair stops Bowser from being careless. But Bowser can kill Ivy pretty easily.
Overall i'd say Ivy is slightly favoured though.
Still good ofc, but man the timing on it is harsh now.
I think if Ivy spaces correctly its extremly hard for bowser to approach. The range of her Fair and Bair stops Bowser from being careless. But Bowser can kill Ivy pretty easily.
Overall i'd say Ivy is slightly favoured though.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
I didn't draw the conclusion based on this one match, but I get what you're saying.
noob question: why do people say Ivy is a girl when it obviously has a guys voice?
Slightly favored got it.
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You're mad. This is easily one of Bowser's worst matchups. The ivy in the video you referred to was probably pretty clueless about the MU.
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deadjames
Smash Lord
The PMBR insists that the Ivysaur in their game is a girl even though there is no visual distinction between genders in Ivysaurs, but canonically it is a species that is predominantly male.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
Actually I just don't main the character, so I am kinda mad. lol
Why PMBR? WHY!!
I'm trying not to be biased against Bowser, that's why I see better MUs for him than he actually has, and because I legit thought he was okay against Ivy. From all the MUs you guys have helped me with, it looks horrible for him, does he have any good MUs? In Melee, his MU with Jiggs is -2, which is strange because he is in a tier of consistent -3 match-ups with Jigglypuff. With his buffs in PM and the Jiggernaught being the same, how has the match-up changed?
Well, in the JPN version, Ivysaur has a very feminine voice. Thus, is likely a girl.
It could still be argued that that doesn't matter and that Ivy is a guy in US versions though. It's personal opinion. I think of Ivy as a female, although I do occasionally mess up and call Ivy a guy.
It could still be argued that that doesn't matter and that Ivy is a guy in US versions though. It's personal opinion. I think of Ivy as a female, although I do occasionally mess up and call Ivy a guy.