BloodBowler Presents: AR2: August 11th!

[Cpt.Zeppo]

Yeah Anon is definitely good enough for the low seed.

 

[BloodBowler]

That was an oversight, I didn't see notice Anon's name not in the list. If we were to adopt Kone's method. I would add Anon to the Low Seed and Lord Rust to the Mid Seed.

Why can't we just get every player in the UK to turn up so then we can have a 32 man bracket and make this a lot less hassle >_<

 

[grayfox]

I don't see the need in a 4 tier system.

The community isn't large enough nor has such a wide range of skill levels that it needs to be split into 4 subgroups.

 

[Kone]

As theres a major argument over the last 8 seeds, its not that complicated if you look at it man U__U. its what happens during making pools anyway!!!!

 

[Kone]

Allan above bb or ouch then.

 

[Fuzzyness]

lol BB you expect me to somehow come from my holiday to the UK? XD

 

[BloodBowler]

You know what Charles? You're excused, you can stay in Madagascar.

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

The fact about Coey and OwnA is,that despite beating Phil and Ed,that doesnt warrant them a seed because players of their same level are better than them,and have proven that.The seeds were fine before I think,but whatever.

 

[grayfox]

I know it isn't complicated, it isn't in the slightest, i just feel its unnecessary. 2 groups would'a done fine. If we are doing 4 though i wanna be in high seed lol, i've beaten frostbyte and bigman without losing a game in tourney matches and haven't played the others in the group outside of free play.

 

[BloodBowler]

For the next part, I'd like to ask that everyone that will be attending this tournament please confirm it with myself, either through MSN, email, posting here or PM'ing me. I want to get the pools done ASAP.

If you're coming or if you can tell me how many in your crew/group of friends are coming, please say so.

 

[SnareRush]

I'm almost definitely coming to this. I've still to get to my first smashfest (tomorow), so this'll be my first tourney (more cannon fodder for you guys )
I can't 100% confirm, but really it's just a matter of sorting out travel. Hope to cy'all there ^^

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

I've been thinking about it and I think Kones method is the best.Though I think Ryan should be high seed lol,makes sense.

Anyway since there is alot of debate that is at this moment unproven(ie. Davemans being good) I think its a good way of sorting it out.

 

[Davemans]

Looking at Kones method and the seeds as they are, you could end up having some pools looking like this

Jam, Davemans, Coey, Monty, Kman
Zeppo, Sos, Owna, JO3, Bullet Bill

Maybe the lower players need to be separated out more

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

Aight I have came up with an evolved version of Ed's method.The seeds I name however are not set in stone,this is just an example.

Top:
Cpt Zeppo
Jam5
Reacher
DSD9
Mr P
GEEK
Ogre
Kone

High seed:

Ryan
Lord Rust
Darvor
Frostbyte

Mid seed:

Davemans
Spam
SOS
Bigman

Low seed:

OwnA
Coey
Anon
Ouch

Bottom seed:

J03
BB
Monty
Kman

The way this would work would be;

4 of the pools have:

1 top seed
1 high seed
1 bottom seed

and the other 4 pools have:

1 top seed
1 mid seed
1 low seed

This seems to be the fairest way to work it.The seeds themselves in bottom and low were BB's choices.

Opinions?

 

[J03]

lol, how did i get a seed, i dont deserve one imo, if i get out of pools at ar364 then i do

 

[DevMBC]

You're the don of internet b-boys!

 

[Aiko]

Maybe we need bigger pools if there are too many seeds :/

 

[BloodBowler]

Aiko: The size of the pool depends on the turnout, if more people show up, the pools will be invariably larger. I think you mean we may need MORE pools.

The only problem with more pools is it can unbalance the bracket and the rankings. With more or less than 16 going through, we end up with different placements altogether. The only way it progresses smoothly and without the complications of 'Byes' and arguments of equality in the brackets, is if we have a 32 man bracket. I will not do this unless we get a very large turnout (60+).

 

[Davemans]

The way this would work would be;

4 of the pools have:

1 top seed
1 high seed
1 bottom seed

and the other 4 pools have:

1 top seed
1 mid seed
1 low seed

This seems to be the fairest way to work it.The seeds themselves in bottom and low were BB's choices.

Opinions?

That method seems a good way of doing it although would it not be better if it was

1 top seed, 1 high seed, 1 low seed
1 top seed, 1 mid seed, 1 bottom seed

what do you think?

 

[Kone]

I dont see what was wrong with my method ? why throw in more unecessary players ? put ryan where stevie was, i was only pissing ryan of =p (took a while for ppl to point that out). Replace ouch with anon and voila!!! joe cant be seeded, no offence, as then ill toss in the fact richy, neil and stu are on his level :/

 

[Kone]

DAVEMANS ->

Jam, Davemans, Coey, Monty, Kman
Zeppo, Sos, Owna, JO3, Bullet Bill

Ill just point out something that you maybe unaware of. At most tournaments ive done the pools in conjunction with the host or I was the host. Outisde of those normally seeded 1st group or second I use my common sense to split the rest between 'the better players' and 'new players'. Hence, with the 30ish players we get at tournaments you wouldnt see pools like you just posted. Monty and kman wouldnt be together, nor joe and bill. (tho arguing again, theres nout wrong with bill or joe being in that pool).

 

[Davemans]

DAVEMANS ->

Jam, Davemans, Coey, Monty, Kman
Zeppo, Sos, Owna, JO3, Bullet Bill

Ill just point out something that you maybe unaware of. At most tournaments ive done the pools in conjunction with the host or I was the host. Outisde of those normally seeded 1st group or second I use my common sense to split the rest between 'the better players' and 'new players'. Hence, with the 30ish players we get at tournaments you wouldnt see pools like you just posted. Monty and kman wouldnt be together, nor joe and bill. (tho arguing again, theres nout wrong with bill or joe being in that pool).

hmm ok that makes sense, id say that your method would probably be the best so far then, but theyre both kinda similar

 

[Kone]

Zs is adding another level of seeded players on that imo is all abit silly. They arent really in contest for a seed (monty or kman).

it shud be between ouch , bb and allan for last two seeds. ( bb got beat by allan last tourney, bb is ranked above allan in rankings, ouch is above both allan and bb in rankings =x)

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

My method was just to avoid cluttering pools with the same level of players.But I'm not bothered about how you do it lol.

 

[Kone]

Your not tho :

eg pool a : Z , Frostbyte (two others)

pool b : Kone, Spam, Coey

Its not cluttering, just four pools would have two players that we cant decide should be second seeds or not. That way they can play each other and decide for themselves. They usually happens during making pools anyway, but were ctually discussing it more in depth.

 

[J03]

this is mega, theres nothing wrong witht the way thigs were imo, when we get a turnout of like 60+ then all this maybe needed, but lets face it, its not really that important, it doesnt matter whose with who, in the end the top 16 will go through =/

 

[BloodBowler]

Okay, I've decided that if we keep following this path, eventually everyone will be seeded and it'll take far too long to work it all out if any seed disaapears on the day. So I'm going back to the original Two Seed lists: Top Seed and High Seed. Myself and Reacher have discussed this and done a lot of research into the players, past tournament results, opponents they've beaten in the brackets and so on. Here is the new seed list:


Top Seed
----------

Kone
JAM5
OGRE
Capt. Zeppo
Reacher
Mr P.
GEEK28
DSD9


High Seed
-----------

Frostbyte
Spam
Ryan
Bigman
Lord rust
Darvor
C03Y
OwnA

I know a fair few people will disagree with some of this, so I'll take a few lines here to explain these choices.

Davemans

Whilst I don't doubt that Davemans is very good, we feel it's not right and not fair on those that have earned a seeding place to give one to someone who's never been to a tournament. I'm not going to give a seed to someone because they have skills, I'm going to give a seed to someone who's proven themselves in a tournament environment. This is nothing personal, I just don't think it's right to seed someone who hasn't been to a tournament and proven themselves.

Shine of Scott

His last decent placement in the brackets was Anarchy Rules where he placed 7th. Since then the only other tournament he's placed at was Edster where he placed 13th. This represents a big drop in skill or practise. Also at Edster he mentioned he would not be practising much. Thus I've dropped him to make way for players who I feel are more deserving.

Ac_Anon

Highest placement: 13th. Never beaten a top seed. Good but just short of a seed.

C03Y

Placed 5th at the most recent tournament and took out a top seed along the way. However you put it, whatever else you factor in. That is factual. He's practised hard, placed well and we believe has earned his high seed.

OwnA

OwnA has placed fairly consistently since AR2. Put a Top Seed out at TNJ2 and it's fairly obvious he's put a lot of work into smash and we feel he has earned and deserves his seed.

Regarding other players

I'm not going to sprinkle everyone about in the pools at complete random. I will be spreading and seperating players according to rough skill level and crew. I will try and make sure that no two people from the same crew play each other in the pools.

I will be going over these players many times, I also ask again that everyone reading this and coming to this tournament confirm with myself that you are arriving as I will be doing skeleton pools long before the tournament itself.

Discuss.

 

[grayfox]

Cool, thats fine by me

 

[DevMBC]

Regardless allan's still one of my most feared match-ups in the UK an Scott's always gonna be a beast imo =x I say we give me my own private pool an the rest of y'all can go swim somewhyur else.

srsly tho it all looks gravy - How is it debates about everything still rage in every thread in every forum? We need fchan back - Smash Glasgow was run without a hitch lol.

edit: efffchhaaahhhhnnnnnnnnnn

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

I hate to keep arguing this on,but:

That method is basically still the same as Ed's.
"I'm not going to sprinkle everyone about in the pools at complete random. I will be spreading and seperating players according to rough skill level and crew. I will try and make sure that no two people from the same crew play each other in the pools."

That is seeding.Separating crew players is seeding,separating different skills of players is seeding.At the end of the day,would you put Davemans in with Frostbyte?Or SoS in with Darvor?No,because there are other High seeds that SoS and Davemans are perhaps better than,and therefore that would be unjustified.Thus Ed's idea comes into place,which as he said is what you do for pools anyway,we were just discussing it.

Also hard work doesnt come into it lol.Jim down the street has practiced 1 billion hours so I think he should be seeded above Ken.

Thats hopefully the last post I make on this subject lol.

 

[Kone]

Uhm, try hard not to have two people from the same crew in one pool? LOL ive never had this happen in any tournament ive helped run. That comment is pure ridiculous.

I hope scott ****s on you all.

 

[GEEK28]

'srsly tho it all looks gravy - How is it debates about everything still rage in every thread in every forum? We need fchan back - Smash Glasgow was run without a hitch lol.'

i miss F-ledgend to =[ not so fun anymore with all this redicules compition and this split divide through the uk =/
abit of frendly compition is fine but...

 

[Aiko]

I hate to keep arguing this on,but:

That method is basically still the same as Ed's.
"I'm not going to sprinkle everyone about in the pools at complete random. I will be spreading and seperating players according to rough skill level and crew. I will try and make sure that no two people from the same crew play each other in the pools."

That is seeding.Separating crew players is seeding,separating different skills of players is seeding.At the end of the day,would you put Davemans in with Frostbyte?Or SoS in with Darvor?No,because there are other High seeds that SoS and Davemans are perhaps better than,and therefore that would be unjustified.Thus Ed's idea comes into place,which as he said is what you do for pools anyway,we were just discussing it.

Also hard work doesnt come into it lol.Jim down the street has practiced 1 billion hours so I think he should be seeded above Ken.

Thats hopefully the last post I make on this subject lol.

But Jim down the street didn't make a single tournament appearance, let alone beat any level seed. Plus he only plays against level 9 ganon.

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

Hes worked really hard though.It would only be fair.

 

[grayfox]

Meh lets just leave it for the day. It's not like your seed determines how well your gonna do in the pool. At the end of the day your wins determine your place and if people are as good as they say they should be then they will get through.

Seedings are in place so no one gets heavily ****ed with an unfair pool in which they couldve gotten through in another. I feel 2 seed tiers per pool is good enough for that. Either way, the 2 places WILL be determined by the players, not their seeds.

>_O tis why i'll get top of my pool as always and show all you top seed nubs how l33t i am lol. Davemans will also get through pools, i guarentee it

 

[Aiko]

At the end of the day, its BB's tournament, and hes doing the best he can despite all the problems/ideologies that can present themselves. Lets just let him sort it out as in a worst case scenario, a few high seeds wont make it past pools, meaning that position was debateable in the first place. If davemans makes regular appearances, he'll earn his seeding, instead of screwing up the whole ranking/seeding system. Its pretty much the same as how we try to gradually erase dougs influence on our rankings after he moved.

 

[Khaine]

to my knowledge, there's not been a major major issue with the two tier seeding thats been used before, and its what BB wants to go with.

its his tournement, ergo, he can go with it.

and to reiterate Aiko's point (which used Davemans as an example): if you're good enough, you're through pools regardless of your seeding. and if you're good enough and attend enough, you've got your seeding.

-x-

 

[Bullet Bill]

I think the seeds look fine. They may not be 100% perfectly representative of each players skill and rank etc but it's near enough

 

[J03]

yur the seeds are nice atm

 

[J03]

leave the poor seeds alone