BBR Weekly Character Discussion #3: Falco

[M@v]

Fsmash's hitbox too good.

 

[swordsaint]

Icys are the only ones I always switch to mk for atm...who knows if I can get better at the MU maybe I can go Falco vs everyone from now on.

I'd advise against this. You don't want to take on a hard matchup like Ice Climbers before knowing the matchup. Keep to MK for Ice Climbers in tournaments, and gradually learn the match up by playing friendlies and asking about it. Then when you're confident whip out your bird.

I want to clarify one thing that people should understand. A HARD matchup isn't necessarily a BAD match up. A hard matchup can just mean that the things that even out the matchup are awkward and difficult to pull off. This doesn't mean the match up is bad. A bad matchup is when our options are limited to such an extent our character get's beat outright. This isn't the case for Ice Climbers. For sure it's a hard match up, but not a bad one when you know your little tricks and can perform them with decent consistency.

Derp. Misread your post. 3am johns. Yeah, you're right, learn the IC match up before taking those incestuous teabags on.

 

[Denzi]

I want to clarify one thing that people should understand. A HARD matchup isn't necessarily a BAD match up. A hard matchup can just mean that the things that even out the matchup are awkward and difficult to pull off. This doesn't mean the match up is bad. A bad matchup is when our options are limited to such an extent our character get's beat outright. This isn't the case for Ice Climbers. For sure it's a hard match up, but not a bad one when you know your little tricks and can perform them with decent consistency.

I have to say I agree with this 100%. That's basically the point I was trying to make in whichever other thread people were arguing IC's and Pika in.

 

[M@v]

Then when you're confident whip out your bird.

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Read that again it sounds so akward.

 

[Denzi]

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Read that again it sounds so akward.

I noticed it too, I figured it was on purpose.

 

[OverLade]

Stupid F-smash at 90% >_>

Shoulda switched to African DI

 

[Shaya]

lasering/reflecting their squal hammer

nana rubberbands on falco's dthrow which is hilarious and results in 1hko on popo

desyncs are unsafe

crossups are fairly safe

nana dies too easy when they get seperated

ice climbers are generally unsafe below a platform camping falco. lol oos options.

You still go mk solely for ics ;\

 

[swordsaint]

You still go mk solely for ics ;\

Last tournament I went to was a few weeks ago. I've only really started looking at and listening to dehfs advice on ice climbers within a week or two. I've been practicing the ice climbers matchup at teds meets and that's how i know that these things are effective.

So when I come to another one I'll probably use Falco on whatever Ice Climbers want's to take me on. ;D

 

[Shaya]

You listen to DEHF but not me?
BLAST MAN. BLAST.

 

[Attila_]

doesnt toby use pika? or doesnt he come to tournies anymore? that should be your reason for using mk, scoot.

 

[swordsaint]

doesnt toby use pika? or doesnt he come to tournies anymore? that should be your reason for using mk, scoot.

Last time I played Toby in tournament I two stocked his MK and Pika.

 

[Shaya]

now he'll 2 stock you with marth

 

[DEHF]

PSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH Marth xD

 

[swordsaint]

now he'll 2 stock you with marth

nah you just suck that's why you lost to his marth

hey

EA BEAT HIS MARTH

HAHAHAHAHA

ps. you suck <3

 

[Attila_]

hang on, did shaya lose the marth ditto to toby? he also loses to cao's marth. what a scrub.

 

[Shaya]

I don't think I ever lost to cao's marth before? oh well
Toby beat me in marth dittos in pools one tournament .

And ice climbers is an annoying match up if you don't know what to do with marf.

 

[swordsaint]

I don't think I ever lost to cao's marth before? oh well
Toby beat me in marth dittos in pools one tournament .

And ice climbers is an annoying match up if you don't know what to do with marf.

**** platforms, full hop fair and sdi blizzard > fair

oooh it's sooooo hard.

 

[Shaya]

Oh, so you're going to be using marth next tournament against EA's ICs?

It's sooooo easy.
Yet you absolutely failed to ever try Falco vs ICs because it was sooooooo hard.
Yet my Falco, who at best I used as a secondary a year and a half ago was able to win half or more.

 

[swordsaint]

*before ea got decent
*it was ages ago
*giving me false info on the matchup

k.

 

[Megavitamins]

Marth vs ICs is not easy at all shaya its ********...

 

[Shaya]

I never said it was easy lol.

 

[Megavitamins]

Misread, sorry

 

[swordsaint]

way easier than falco

marth has advantage </3

screw your spacing

 

[Denzi]

It's funny because this is the Falco character discussion. I expected to see some sort of discussion about Falco.

 

[swordsaint]

most of what can be said can be said in already existing threads, and because the backroom kept it to themselves for so long, most of what CAN be said already has been imo

 

[Shaya]

Look it's pretty obvious that Marth and Falco are true brothers and rivals in trying to be the best Melee [original] character in brawl.

(stupid broken new characters)

 

[swordsaint]

Hey, it's your loss. You're siblings with a bird. WTF were you parents doing?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Look it's pretty obvious that Marth and Falco are true brothers and rivals in trying to be the best Melee [original] character in brawl.

(stupid broken new characters)

Implying that Marth is even close to Falco ... LOL

 

[M@v]

Implying that Marth is even close to Falco ... LOL

<_<



anyway, They are close, but I don't see marth ever passing falco in terms of tier list.

 

[Anxiety]

And Larry don't you still need to switch your controls so you can charge it for the kill? it comes out too early otherwise (in most cases) so it's either that or claw.

iPlay Claw. >

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Falco can in no way be 2nd best as of right now. If anyone has contributed or read the entire discussion regarding Snake you can see why.

MK is undeniably the best. Snake and Falco are in the same boat of being in the top tier, but their placement is reliant on other things. Of Falco and Snake, both have some very good match-up results. Snake has little doubt that he has only soft counters and no hard ones. Falco on the other hand has one good hard counter, and one other possible hard counter. Falco also has the downfall of being countered by stages such as brinstar or RC. Since the current ruling also does not have a thing list against planking, Falco will fall prey to planking attempts.

Snake is a character that is indeed (no pun intended) a very solid character. His faults are made up for by his other strengths. Falco on the other hand has a number of weaknesses (planking and CPing) that ruins him while Snake does no get crippled by these weaknesses. He does well on CP stages and can deal with planking in a way. Due to this Snake will be staying in his spot causing Falco to have to fall back to 3rd or 4th.

Unless the ruleset changes in anyway to favor Falco with better stages or limit planking, he cannot rise any further than 3rd on the tier list.

 

[swordsaint]

I think Falco's an oddball. He fits almost anywhere in top tier under Metaknight.

it's like he's tied with all characters from 2-7 while the characters in 2-7 still have seperate rankings.

 

[Notra]

finally finished reading this. Well my gf is going to hongkong for a month. i think ima try at brawl again. like more than for money. Got bdacus down consistenly today. now to apply it

See ya soon Shugo, shame. Same region nvr met. Im sadly still only michigan falco worth mentioning......nvr passed a torch.

need to leave michigan. theres a new good icee every week, i can beat them all but ****it not lain. And anther i dont wanna talk about....

ALSO BEWARE FALCOS, played lain at a smashfest last thursday. hes come up with new trixies. Like some potentially meta game breaking for icees. **** was a nightmare, i stopped playing the rest of the night after. I was rusty, but theres no excuse.

 

[M@v]

Honestly what is holding falco back from 4th imo is the fact his 2 bad matchups are worse than other top tiers worst matchups.

Example: Icys/pika vs falco is worse than DDD vs snake, Falco vs diddy, and I'd even say Mk vs marth. I know thats a bad one too, but at least Marth doesnt have to worry about any ******** chaingrabs in his worst MU.

 

[Notra]

Honestly what is holding falco back from 4th imo is the fact his 2 bad matchups are worse than other top tiers worst matchups.

Example: Icys/pika vs falco is worse than DDD vs snake, Falco vs diddy, and I'd even say Mk vs marth. I know thats a bad one too, but at least Marth doesnt have to worry about any ******** chaingrabs in his worst MU.

just a flying Pegasus jousting with a long *** lance vs. a boy on the ground(maybe a girl) with a knife.

in other words flying longer range vs non flying not as long range.

 

[Shugo-Chan]

Haha it rly is a shame that we havent met yet notra we're only a state apart lol. i used mk on lain id never use falco :/ i hate the matchup so much. f*** ics and pika o:

 

[OverLade]

Honestly what is holding falco back from 4th imo is the fact his 2 bad matchups are worse than other top tiers worst matchups.

Example: Icys/pika vs falco is worse than DDD vs snake, Falco vs diddy, and I'd even say Mk vs marth. I know thats a bad one too, but at least Marth doesnt have to worry about any ******** chaingrabs in his worst MU.

Falco is better than Snake because nobody plays ICs and Pikachu. Snakes bad matchups are all extremely common. It doesn't matter if you have two crippling matchups if nobody plays them because of the current metagame...

 

[M@v]

Not too many people play pika I agree. But there is a good chance you are going to run into one or two ice climbers in tourney. And thats where its the end of the line for a lot of falco players since not many know the MU/secondary isnt good enough.



Regardless though, only needing a secondary for one MAYBE 2 characters is still extremely solid, especially when one of the characters is very rare(pika)

 

[Nidtendofreak]

If you want to go by tournament results for just the worse MU for both characters: there are more IC results then D3 results currently. That's before adding in Pikachu as well if you consider those two MUs equally bad for Falco.

 

[OverLade]

Not too many people play pika I agree. But there is a good chance you are going to run into one or two ice climbers in tourney. And thats where its the end of the line for a lot of falco players since not many know the MU/secondary isnt good enough.



Regardless though, only needing a secondary for one MAYBE 2 characters is still extremely solid, especially when one of the characters is very rare(pika)

There isn't a good chance you'll run into ICs in any region except the midwest. Everywhere else theres are plenty of other players who could beat said ICs player, and you won't NEED a secondary. That's like saying Afro needs a secondary for CO18's dedede. He doesn't, the likelyhood he'll play against him isn't huge.