BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[adumbrodeus]

Might as well answer this since it's easy to answer and saves time.

1.) who did u replace i forge

Fiction, who in turn replaced dark musician (profile: very hesitant and unsure of himself, also pretty inactive)

 

[Omni]

Why am I still compared to Reflex, I'm not as inactive.

i just find u a bit scummy for reasons explained before

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Oh, that's where darkmusician went lol some reason i thought he was still in the game

yeah let's do this Vote: Reflex

 

[Red Arremer]

i just find u a bit scummy for reasons explained before

Because I'm bored being ignored or brushed off? <_<

 

[Marc]

Okay, I'm back. I have some catching up to do, but expect more in a bit.

 

[Marc]

Reflex still hasn't been that helpful (not to mention he edited his post this late into the game D: ), but I'd prefer to lynch adombrodeus or BardulL over him. I agree that Shaya blends in too well, but there's not really a case to be made against him. Joel hasn't been helpful toDay and should start making up for it if he doesn't want to be the next Reflex.

Most players have commented on adumbrodeus, meaning lynching him will give us a lot more insight in other players regardless of the flip. Who defended him, who attacked him, who ignored him... I also foresee him taking the spotlight on yet another Day, which isn't a very healthy situation. We don't want to keep discussing the same player all the time. BardulL made an interesting claim, but he has a point in that attacks on him are mostly based on meta and ideas on how to play the game. I still don't like the way he presented his defense (overly aggressive) though.

Both Omni and Hilt said they feel I'm somewhat off. I have responded to this before, but unless you can verbalize it better there's not much I can say to that. I'm trying to help to the best of my ability, but as long as we need a decisive majority for every lynch and not everyone sees the game like I do, I am somewhat restricted. Other than that I just have a busy life right now.

I will vote Reflex if that's the only way to get a lynch, but I prefer adumbrodeus.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Lol, SL you probably should've paid a bit more attention to the specifics of my comments, as well as what a Bandwagon actually is.

brushing it off?
Tsk tsk. I asked you the reason for the bandwagon idea.Bandwagons in themselves pressure another player, to make them cough up information.

Again, you really need to read... I meant next game day.

Then you wrote poorly.

What? No. Reread.

I'll re-read in a bit. Ugh, feels like a bomb went off in my stomach.

Of course, but I'm saying that if it's suspicious it's because of the initial claim, not because he keeps bringing it up again and again and again. Similar to how people keep forcing me to defend my calculations, people just keep bringing up the topic and forcing him to defend himself, and while I disagree strongly with his position, and I still consider him suspicious, applying additional suspicion because he seems hellbent on lynching chibo is... foolish.

I don't believe he actually wants Chibo lynched as in he does not want Chibo around for Lylo.
Regardless, if you know the purpose of the questioning why get in the way?

I'm a double's genius

 

[adumbrodeus]

brushing it off?
Tsk tsk. I asked you the reason for the bandwagon idea.Bandwagons in themselves pressure another player, to make them cough up information.

You haven't been particularly active and what you have done lacks content.

So... pretty much what I said when I brought you up first.

Then you wrote poorly.

I'll start a bandwagon against SL next game day (should give him time to recover).

Seems pretty obvious to me.

I'll re-read in a bit. Ugh, feels like a bomb went off in my stomach.

Reread it next game day, right now, go back to sleep.

I don't believe he actually wants Chibo lynched as in he does not want Chibo around for Lylo.

That's Omni, Bardull is unconvinced that Chibo is confirmed town, he believes the message upon swordgard's death was from swordgard himself, and not an alignment confirmation from the mod, furthermore, he believes that there's no reason to believe that swordgard would know his partner's alignment (hence why he claimed mason himself) and that the message from swordgard conveyed belief not absolute knowledge.

Regardless, if you know the purpose of the questioning why get in the way?

Huh, what?

I'm just pointing out that if you wanna take him to task for the mason claim, fine. If you wanna take him to task for the massive number of assumptions he made in order to suggest that chibo isn't out of the woods yet, fine. If you wanna take him to task for actions he made previously, fine.


But suggesting that the fact that he keeps bringing it up is suspicious is a little.... idiotic. He's not bringing it up, other people are.

Reflex still hasn't been that helpful (not to mention he edited his post this late into the game D: ), but I'd prefer to lynch adombrodeus or BardulL over him. I agree that Shaya blends in too well, but there's not really a case to be made against him. Joel hasn't been helpful toDay and should start making up for it if he doesn't want to be the next Reflex.

Most players have commented on adumbrodeus, meaning lynching him will give us a lot more insight in other players regardless of the flip. Who defended him, who attacked him, who ignored him... I also foresee him taking the spotlight on yet another Day, which isn't a very healthy situation. We don't want to keep discussing the same player all the time. BardulL made an interesting claim, but he has a point in that attacks on him are mostly based on meta and ideas on how to play the game. I still don't like the way he presented his defense (overly aggressive) though.

Both Omni and Hilt said they feel I'm somewhat off. I have responded to this before, but unless you can verbalize it better there's not much I can say to that. I'm trying to help to the best of my ability, but as long as we need a decisive majority for every lynch and not everyone sees the game like I do, I am somewhat restricted. Other than that I just have a busy life right now.

I will vote Reflex if that's the only way to get a lynch, but I prefer adumbrodeus.

If you wanna go after me tomorrow, be my guest, we'll deal with that then, but for right now, we need a lynch, and it's less then 24 hours from the deadline with very little chance of getting anyone else.

 

[Marc]

I'll be around. I just don't want to hammer early.

Overswarm, can we get a votecount?

 

[Omni]

might as well. this day has run its toll

 

[Pierce7d]

yea uh @ pierce

1.) who did u replace i forget
2.) what about marc's insight are you interested in
3.) why are u voting marc over other players like reflex or .joel
4.) finally, votes are suppose to be in bold in order for it to count
5.) who are ur scum partners

1) Has been answer. Fiction/DarkMusician
2) It has been said that Marc posts rarely but with good insight. He didn't post in the last few pages but everyone else did, and I was interested to see why he wasn't voting Reflex since we seem to need a lynch. I was going to go down the list, and he was at top. His reasons are satisfactory, but we need to lynch someone, and Reflex is readily available.
3) Simply putting on pressure to get a response. I suppose it's rather irrelevant. I'm definitely about to hop on this bandwagon, and hopefully he is too.
4) Oh, good looking out.
unvote
Vote: Reflex
5) I'm not scum, but lol.

Reflex still hasn't been that helpful (not to mention he edited his post this late into the game D: ), but I'd prefer to lynch adombrodeus or BardulL over him. I agree that Shaya blends in too well, but there's not really a case to be made against him. Joel hasn't been helpful toDay and should start making up for it if he doesn't want to be the next Reflex.

Most players have commented on adumbrodeus, meaning lynching him will give us a lot more insight in other players regardless of the flip. Who defended him, who attacked him, who ignored him... I also foresee him taking the spotlight on yet another Day, which isn't a very healthy situation. We don't want to keep discussing the same player all the time. BardulL made an interesting claim, but he has a point in that attacks on him are mostly based on meta and ideas on how to play the game. I still don't like the way he presented his defense (overly aggressive) though.

Both Omni and Hilt said they feel I'm somewhat off. I have responded to this before, but unless you can verbalize it better there's not much I can say to that. I'm trying to help to the best of my ability, but as long as we need a decisive majority for every lynch and not everyone sees the game like I do, I am somewhat restricted. Other than that I just have a busy life right now.

I will vote Reflex if that's the only way to get a lynch, but I prefer adumbrodeus.

And this is enlightening information I'm glad I heard. Thank you. Perhaps Adam is the better lynch (you can probably tell better than me, since I just hopped in this game, and you probably have more experience), but for the time being, it seems like Reflex is the most reliable way to go. We need 7 to lynch, and judging by the history of this game, getting 7 people online and ready to lynch in the next 6 hours or so is dumb.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Reflex - ShadowLink84, Omni, Adumbrodeus, .joel
Marc - BarDulL
BarDulL- Reflex, Chibo
.joel- Edrees
Adumbrodeus- Marc


Deadline is set for Monday, May 3rd at 3:00 PM EST
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

4

Not much time to contribute until monday.

Unvote
Vote: Reflex

5

Oh, that's where darkmusician went lol some reason i thought he was still in the game

yeah let's do this Vote: Reflex

6

1) Has been answer. Fiction/DarkMusician
2) It has been said that Marc posts rarely but with good insight. He didn't post in the last few pages but everyone else did, and I was interested to see why he wasn't voting Reflex since we seem to need a lynch. I was going to go down the list, and he was at top. His reasons are satisfactory, but we need to lynch someone, and Reflex is readily available.
3) Simply putting on pressure to get a response. I suppose it's rather irrelevant. I'm definitely about to hop on this bandwagon, and hopefully he is too.
4) Oh, good looking out.
unvote
Vote: Reflex
5) I'm not scum, but lol.



And this is enlightening information I'm glad I heard. Thank you. Perhaps Adam is the better lynch (you can probably tell better than me, since I just hopped in this game, and you probably have more experience), but for the time being, it seems like Reflex is the most reliable way to go. We need 7 to lynch, and judging by the history of this game, getting 7 people online and ready to lynch in the next 6 hours or so is dumb.

7




First lynch finally.


Honestly, I'm interested in seeing what he turns out to be, the possibility of him being chainsawed exists, but it will probably decrease my suspicion of Hilt and a few others, whereas increase my suspicion of the people who chose not to vote for him.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'll talk about strategy for next lynch when OS acknowledges the successful lynch, assuming there wasn't any issue.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I'm going to collect a bunch of information together here so after Reflex's alignment is revealed, we can all think about it more focused during the night phase. So to help us be prepared if he does turn up scum:

Final Vote Count: Day 1

Swordgard (2) - Dastrn, Scamp,
Chibo Sempai (1) - BarDull
Reflex (6) - ChiboSempai, Marc, adumbrodeus, swordgard, Shaya, .joel

Not Voting:

TheReflexWonder, Edrees, DarkMusician, Omni (snare), Shadowlink, Hilt,

there was another time, earlier this week (beginning of Day 3) where we almost lynched reflex. Look at this post: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10136886&postcount=715 for a summary when we were close. Note that i counted wrong in that post, we only had 6 since Hilt's vote already counted.

Summarizing that post:
Voted for Reflex: Shadowlink, Hilt, Edrees, Joel, Omni, adumbrodeus
Didn't vote for Reflex: Bardull, Shaya, Chibo, Marc, Pierce/DarkMusician

Thus, in summary, excluding our 3 dead townies Scamp, Swordgard, and Dastrn, here is a voting summary on Reflex:

Those who did not vote for Reflex at the end of Day 3

Bardull, Chibo, Marc, Shaya

Those who did not vote for Reflex by the end of Day 1:
Bardull, Edrees, ShadowLink

Those who did not ever vote for Reflex at any point in time when he was close to being lynched:
Bardull

I hope I didn't make any mistakes here. I had to go back and look at posts slooowwly and carefully. I'm not making any conclusions yet here, but I think this sumary will be helpful once his alignment is revealed by OS shortly.

 

[Marc]

Vote: Reflex

In case someone decides to block votes again. =X

 

[BarDulL]

Vote: Reflex

In case someone decides to block votes again. =X

Wouldn't it have been better to wait and see if someone did that?

 

[BarDulL]

Wouldn't it have been better to wait and see if someone did that?

It would be great to hear their reasoning, is what I mean.

Edrees, I have not voted for Reflex, not once. I chose not to vote for him because most cases against him stemmed from "inactivity" (or all of them, I'd have to take a look again.)

In the event that Reflex flips Town, everyone who voted for Reflex will just use the excuse "but he was 'inactive'," and virtually no information will be gained from this lynch because we can't distinguish whether or not Scum voted.

If he flips Scum...it's definitely reasonable to think those who did not vote for him are suspicious. I've been against inactive votes since the beginning, though, so IDK, that's open to interpretation.

If he flips Indy (assuming they exist), he flips Indy. Dunno what that means.

 

[Marc]

My reasoning is that I'm about to head out for work and won't be back before the deadline, most likely.

 

[Overswarm]

For future reference, you are unable to vote during twilight. Once a lynch is cast, there's no going back; the voting phase is finished. Any votes would "fizzle" and just be counted as standard text.

DAY 3 FINAL VOTE COUNT:
Reflex - ShadowLink84, Omni, Adumbrodeus, .joel, EdreesesPieces, Hilt, Pierce7D
Marc - BarDulL
BarDulL- Reflex, Chibo
.joel- Edrees
Adumbrodeus- Marc


Why the heroes democratically decided to end the life of an unsuspecting little girl is something most couldn't comprehend. Perhaps it was Relm's sketch powers? Her ability to throw an attack back at someone using only a paintbrush was always quite mysterious. Perhaps it was her quiet, aloof attitude at the atrocities going on around her?

Either way, Reflex, (Relm, Town Ability-Copier) has been lynched.

Night 3 begins!

Get me your Night actions by Wednesday, May 5th, 3 PM EST.


THERE IS NO POSTING DURING THE NIGHT PHASE. Warning time is over.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I wish you all the best, everyone. I really do.

 

[Overswarm]

Pierce7D has broken a restriction and has been given a punishment.

Pierce is also staying in the game.

 

[Overswarm]

Setzer has always been a gambling man, so he should know better than anyone: sometimes you win, sometimes you get murdered in your sleep by an unknown villain. The latter was Setzer's fate, but it wasn't chance... this was a deliberate murder. Omni, (Setzer, town gambler) is dead.

Setzer wasn't the only corpse found that night. Shaya (Kappa, town knowledgeable miller) was found with several shurikens piercing his back. The death of this Imp is the work of Shadow the assassin... but how or why this happened is still unknown.

Town's numbers are quickly dwindling... will they find those responsible before its too late?

DAY 4 BEGINS
Deadline is set for Friday, May 14th at 3:00 PM EST
With 9 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

After Day 1 events of them bumping heads, this only makes me think worse of Bardull now...

Vote: Bardull

 

[Marc]

Two kills now? We're getting mauled. =/

Omni was fairly quiet on Day 3 if I were to look for a pattern. I don't know what a Gambler does (I guess I'll see if I can find the role online), but it seems like another (minor) power role. A Miller turns up guilty in all investigations, but I'm not sure what the "knowledgeable" part of Shaya's role entailed.

Shadow is either an independent Serial Killer or a Vigilante. Independent makes more sense with the character, but I can see Town motivation in the kill considering Shaya being a suspect. A Serial Killer can kill every night typically, while this is the first Night with two kills. Right now I'm going to say Town Vigilante who may or may not be limited in his shots.

It's been really frustrating for me so far how no lynch happened so far that I preferred to happen. This doesn't mean you should blindly follow me, but I feel somewhat ignored. I'll gather my thoughts and post more later, in any case.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

What lynch would you prefer to happen?

 

[Red Arremer]

Overswarm: Can we get the abilities of the dead players?

Also, 2 kills. That's pretty upsetting.

@Marc:
I would think that he knew either the roles and their characters/alignments, or the alignment/role of a certain player.

As for the gambler, I have no idea as well.

Vive la France!

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!


Yes, new posting restriction.




No, gambler is not a power role, it's what the character is (like swordgard's character was a berserk sasquatch).


Since no power roles were hit last night (miller doesn't count) most likely that puts us at 3/3, and that was most likely a town virg.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm: Can we get the abilities of the dead players?

No. 10 Nos.

 

[Marc]

France, really?

Hilt, I was in favour of an adumbrodeus lynch on Day 3 and I am still doubting BarDulL. I'm going to read back and see if that changes.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

How do you know what gambler does, adum?

 

[Red Arremer]

I agree with Hilt - how do you know what a gambler's powers are or that they have no power role?
Smells fishy to me.

@Overswarm: Alright, thanks anyway.

Vive la France!

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Or rather, what makes you think that it does or doesn't do anything?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!


Anyway, as promised: Vote: Shadowlink



You've been awfully quiet with little content.





I dunno, if we hadn't got omni's name I would've suspected him as the most likely virg, who else was pressuring Shaya a lot back there?

Regardless, for lynch for today, gonna take a "wait and see attitude".



Thinking about the kill on omni, he was relatively quiet that day, maybe they chose that moment to isolate themselves from suspicion because they had previous interaction with him that was suspicious.





As for the gambler, because it's not a name for an existing power role, but it is what the character is in game.



Notice how when they're a traditional power role, OS always called them by the role's name, and it was different from the character's role in the game (Gau was not a cop in FF6, ditto for Cyan as a roleblocker, etc). However, if it was a "normal townie', it got called by the role it had in game, (berserk sasquatch, copier, gambler, etc).


Yeah, omni was a "normal townie".

 

[Red Arremer]

As for the gambler, because it's not a name for an existing power role, but it is what the character is in game.


Notice how when they're a traditional power role, OS always called them by the role's name, and it was different from the character's role in the game (Gau was not a cop in FF6, ditto for Cyan as a roleblocker, etc). However, if it was a "normal townie', it got called by the role it had in game, (berserk sasquatch, copier, gambler, etc).


Yeah, omni was a "normal townie".

That's merely flavor, and you should not use this as evidence.

To answer your question about who was saying Shaya was suspicious, it was Omni, Edrees and myself; possible that I'm forgetting someone.

Vive la France!

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

That's merely flavor, and you should not use this as evidence.

To answer your question about who was saying Shaya was suspicious, it was Omni, Edrees and myself; possible that I'm forgetting someone.

Vive la France!

I disagree, role names aren't flavor, they're the character's FUNCTION in the game, they're only flavor if they're not a power role (town cop = flavor? really?).


Also, they're relatively standardized as far as their functions, if their names aren't being used, they get defined (ex. Male frog = doctor, zen stone = mafia), though many roles have multiple names.



Here's the list.



The fact that for every role so far, OS used the term (miller, cop, roleblocker), that says that he's a "vanilla townie".

 

[ShadowLink84]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

...
...
...

I might just cry.

You've been awfully quiet with little content.

Lies are bad.
By that logic what does that make those whose post numbers are below mine?
Let alone I have provided my opinion on many occasions while you ran around like a chicken with its head cut off with baseless assumptions.

Simply because you feign support, doesn't mean you actually are providing it.

Thinking about the kill on omni, he was relatively quiet that day, maybe they chose that moment to isolate themselves from suspicion because they had previous interaction with him that was suspicious.

That makes no sense.
He was quiet on day 3?
Not really, he has been the most vocal and has been one of the most active.

I can see inactivity for their last kills, all of those members were relatively inactive, but for them to target Omni?

We surely must have missed something along the way.


*goes to re-read everything*

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Just because gambler isn't on that list, doesn't mean it isn't a power role. OS is free to make up roles as he pleases.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

You make way too many assumptions, adum. Also, omni wasn't quiet D3 what the hell are you talking about

 

[Red Arremer]

Yes.

The best example for that would be the "Raging Yeti" Swordgard was. He had at the very least a posting restriction (switching vote in every posting), and most likely a power to compensate for that.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Makes me realize that you have no idea if swordgard had an ability or not with his restriction, you're just assuming he doesn't, adum.