BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[EdreesesPieces]

Adumbrodeus - I'm still not sure what you are getting at by saying I shouldn't have grouped you with Chibo. Irregardless , as you said I don't think its too important. I think arguing with me over that is trivial - okay, fine lets say I was indeed wrong to group Chibo with you - you are then the only one with that kind of behavior I outlined before I made my "retraction" . I mean, this quote:

"Currently Pierce is the only living player with fewer posts on this thread then Chibo, Chibo also has contributed very little content as far as his posts, short posts, little theory, no scumhunting. It strikes me as he's always been doing the minimum to get by."

You've actually convinced me that indeed, I was wrong to group Chibo into that behavior. When I wrote that post, going by memory I felt like after you, he was the next person to follow that type of behavior. But you are right- I was wrong, I erred. That's not the type of behevior he has really been having, now that I review the thread and look more carefully for his posts. My bad. And now, that doesn't change the fact that I thought you had this type of behavior.

Are you trying to get yourself lynched at this point? I essentially accused you both of being suspicious and listed the suspicious behavior that bugged me, and all you've done is convince me I wrong to suspect Chibo , that you were the only one exhibiting this type of behavior.

Whatever, I think going off on this aside is kind of a waste of time at this point, we've both said what we need to say, I'm gonna turn my attention on others for now.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Shadowlink - Who do you think is the most scummy player right now? Do you think it's Pierce?
Pierce - I'm curious if you have gone back to read through the read. I know it's a long read, but I don't think you'll be able to participate solidly unless you have all the background of the game under your belt. I get the feeling you haven't yet just from reading your posts and who you are accusing and voting for.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

read the thread*

 

[BarDulL]

 

[BarDulL]

What tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive. Hah!

 

[ShadowLink84]

Shadowlink - Who do you think is the most scummy player right now? Do you think it's Pierce?

Possibly.
Currently, as you said, the mafia appeared to have targeted those members so as to avoid any possible trails.
if this is true, then it is possible that the mafia are some of the more quiet members.

I also find it disturbing that Adumbrodeus KNOWS his behavior makes him a lynch target, but hasn't really pointed out as to why he isn't scum.


I'm a double's genius

 

[ShadowLink84]

D=

OMG I MISSED A FRIGGIN BRAKET!?

I'm a double's genius

 

[Overswarm]

Shadowlink has messed up his posting restriction and has received punishment.

Final Vote Count

Bardull - Chibo
Shadowlink- adumbrodeus, posting punishment (1), posting punishment (1), posting punishment (1), hated (1)
Adumbrodeus- Edrees, .joel
Chibo- Pierce7D
Pierce7D- Shadowlink


Shadowlink (Strago, mafia hated blue mage) has been lynched.

It was almost by accident that Strago was killed. A few harsh words and he fell apart. This turned out to be quite lucky for the heroes when they discovered he was one of those responsible for the hardships they've been forced to go through. The heroes can celebrate the death of this scum, but only momentarily... there's more out there and it is certain they'll strike again.

NIGHT 4 BEGINS!
Get me your Night Actions by 3 p.m. on Monday, May 10th


Note: send me your night actions whenever you can; you have the entire time frame but I can end the night early if I get them early.

 

[ShadowLink84]

=<


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

 

[Overswarm]

This is something no one saw coming. Gogo, the master mimic, was found slain in the night. The room showed signs of a tremendous struggle, but the loser of this exchange was painfully obvious. Curiosity got the better of the remaining heroes, and they decided to remove the layers of clothing hiding Gogo's face...

To find Kefka had somehow survived and took his place in the party, undetected.

Hilt, (Kefka, Independent Manipulator) is dead.

Is this a lucky break for our heroes? Who knows what destruction Kefka could have brought about if left unchecked... but with Kefka killed in the night, it surely means the scum remaining is powerful indeed.

Day 5 Begins
With 7 Players remaining, it takes 4 to lynch
Day 5 will end on Thursday, May 20th at 3 p.m. EST

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!


To start off...


I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. SL and Hilt, both people I pegged as suspicious because of their calculated inactivity. One was scum, the other was an independent that it I doubt can win with the town at all, also doubtful he's a serial killer, judging by the second kill patterns.

So my gambit paid off a lot better then I could've anticipated, thanks SL!



This pretty much confirms that shadow killing somebody was an ability that reflex had on lynch that allowed him to kill somebody who voted for him or a 1 shot vig but either way it doesn't matter cause it's gone now (unless the vig is playing stupid). A continuous vig would've been nice, but too bad.


Most likely two mafia left, chibo's still alive, so looks like we're lylo -1 with 1/6 chance of catching scum today with pure randomness.


Also, I noticed something wierd.


Maybe I was wrong about role-checker, cause I noticed that right after scamp said he didn't like any of Joel's posts, he died.

Right after Omni said he found Joel a bit scummy.


Bit of a pattern? It might be scum trying to confuse us, but it's worth checking out.


Vote: .Joel

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!


Also, a bit of metagaming, seems a weird time for OS to receive the last night action if it was a US player (the majority, he got it at 10 at earliest, since most of us are college kids, and the closer to the West Coast you get, the earlier it gets. Now, me personally, I got woken up when Joel shot me an IM about the game deal he was pushing for charity (bed right near comp and I feel asleep working on a project).


On the other hand, in Germany it happened to be 4 in the afternoon, a much more reasonable time to send in a night action. Makes me suspect that at least 1 of the Europeans have a night action, which combined with my standing suspicion of Joel atm, gives it a bit more weight imo.

 

[Red Arremer]

I never really got a specific statement as to why Scamp, as he put it, "didn't like my posts".

Omni was suspecting me to be scum on Day 3 because I wasn't posting much and not actively "helping" scumhunting, however, I explained my reason for that. You even defended me.

That they died was either coincidence or it could've been a scum strategy to cast suspicion onto me, just as well, though.

Lastly, you only suspected SL and Hilt cause they were semi-active. You also suspected Reflex, who in the end flipped town. You suspected Swordgard who flipped town. You suspected Omni who flipped town. If I remember correctly, you also suspected Chibo who is confirmed being town.
So your ratio is not very high. 4 townies to 2 scum.

That said, I stand by my points of Day 3 about you.

Vote: adumbrodeus

 

[Red Arremer]

The time zones don't matter at all. Overswarm was online at that point, hence he posted this at 4 PM (European time). Overswarm has a random pattern of being awake, he's OS after all.

Also, bit off-topic, but: Excuse me, but we're not 70 years ago that Vienna is part of Germany.

 

[Red Arremer]

Also, to add in:
- Night actions =/= scum (see vigilante, cop, doctor, etc.)
- I usually go to bed between 2 and 4 AM MET, so IF I had night actions, I would answer OS' PM as soon as I got it.

 

[CT Chia]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!


Also, a bit of metagaming, seems a weird time for OS to receive the last night action if it was a US player (the majority, he got it at 10 at earliest, since most of us are college kids, and the closer to the West Coast you get, the earlier it gets. Now, me personally, I got woken up when Joel shot me an IM about the game deal he was pushing for charity (bed right near comp and I feel asleep working on a project).


On the other hand, in Germany it happened to be 4 in the afternoon, a much more reasonable time to send in a night action. Makes me suspect that at least 1 of the Europeans have a night action, which combined with my standing suspicion of Joel atm, gives it a bit more weight imo.

kupo!

OS could have received it over night and he did that when he woke up, which would have been around 9am for him whcih seems reasonable.

I'm going to be done all my schoolwork (that I've been plagued with for a while now) tonight so I will catch up a lot really soon.

Just so I don't miss it, didn't someone claim one or two Days ago? adumbro right? Cans someone point me to the post? Also wondering about the crystal power things.

I'm surprised Bardul is still lurking around.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

I never really got a specific statement as to why Scamp, as he put it, "didn't like my posts".

Omni was suspecting me to be scum on Day 3 because I wasn't posting much and not actively "helping" scumhunting, however, I explained my reason for that. You even defended me.

That they died was either coincidence or it could've been a scum strategy to cast suspicion onto me, just as well, though.

My suggestion was that it was suspicious that they died right after saying they were suspicious of you, not that the actions that caused them to do so were particularly suspicious in and of themselves.


Again, this is not a confirmation, this is a suspicion, as of now, you're my "seem scummy" candidate for the moment.

Lastly, you only suspected SL and Hilt cause they were semi-active. You also suspected Reflex, who in the end flipped town. You suspected Swordgard who flipped town. You suspected Omni who flipped town. If I remember correctly, you also suspected Chibo who is confirmed being town.
So your ratio is not very high. 4 townies to 2 scum.

That said, I stand by my points of Day 3 about you.

Vote: adumbrodeus

You misunderstand, I was suspicious of them because of CALCULATED inactivity, not so much inactivity. I wasn't that suspicious of reflex either, killing him was just a numbers game and he was useless to the town, we don't lynch, we're guarenteed a loss. Better to kill off a random that day that lose the (arbitrary number coming up cause I didn't calculate it) 14% additional chance of catching the scum throughout the game.



So, 2 scum to 3 town, considering that only 1/5 of the powers are scum, that's a very good ratio so far.

The time zones don't matter at all. Overswarm was online at that point, hence he posted this at 4 PM (European time). Overswarm has a random pattern of being awake, he's OS after all.

Also, bit off-topic, but: Excuse me, but we're not 70 years ago that Vienna is part of Germany.

Germany was arbitrary dude, Marc's here too (though the fact that he hasn't been on since 12:20 tends to exonerate him from this case of metagaming), I could've just as easily posted any country in Europe.


So, I did a little more digging.


OS got on at around 9:19 (his first post), since I doubt it took him a full 40 minutes to set up the lynch scene, the odds are high that he received the final night action PM some time in that window.

Who was on then? Well, Bardull, Edrees, and Pierce were on late (4, 6, and 8 EST respective, this is rounded, and I do have pictures available). Oddly enough, Marc's last action was around the time of OS's last night post.


Myself, I got up early (explained why earlier), Chibo was definitely on during the timeframe by his poststamps, Hilt's last action was right before the timeframe (got a pic).

Also, to add in:
- Night actions =/= scum (see vigilante, cop, doctor, etc.)
- I usually go to bed between 2 and 4 AM MET, so IF I had night actions, I would answer OS' PM as soon as I got it.

I never suggested otherwise, this wouldn't be here if I wasn't already suspicious of you.


As for you're answer, I sincerely doubt that any scum would decide on a night action before talking it out with their buddies, and what reason could they possibly have to not take as much of the night phase as they could?



Eh, I don't wanna drag this metagaming too far, cause it's not intended to be the last nail in the coffin, combined with my existing suspicions, it seems to make him suspicious.

OS could have received it over night and he did that when he woke up, which would have been around 9am for him whcih seems reasonable.

Doubt he took 40 minutes to do the lynch scene, have you seen that guy post? He must type at 100+ wpm. He also said that he would end the night as soon as he got all actions.

Just so I don't miss it, didn't someone claim one or two Days ago? adumbro right? Cans someone point me to the post? Also wondering about the crystal power things.

Claim what?

Mercury Crystal Power up is a Sailor moon reference (I searched it after SL said it was gay) that I got as a posting restriction day 2.

I'm surprised Bardul is still lurking around.

I still don't like Bardull's play, but atm I think Joel has more to go on atm, at the very least I wanna see if I can get anything useful from him.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

First things first - lol, VERY fortunate for Shadowlink to get modkilled and turning mafia. Huge swing of momentum here. We have now one detected scum and can go back, see all his interactions, tracing us to the scum buddies.

And now, I I gotta apologize to Adumbrodeus...he was right about Shadowlink. Also, if you go back and re read the thread..Shadowlink was very rarely thrown onto suspicion. Somewhat disturbing that we totally didn't catch onto him.

Personally, I find Bardull the most suspicious still. He has been very inactive as of late (YesterDay had almost no contribution) and just jumped into the game with Godot images and quotes. Bardull, can you answer me this - who do you find most scummy as of right now? Can you give us a vote?

And yeah I was online pretty late. I came to check to see if anything happened. If you haven't noticed I'm pretty into this game.

Also, I wonder what kefka's win conditions were. Hilt's activity was on and off, and I was suspicious of him at one point in the game, but only for mere inactivity.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Almost forgot
Vote: Bardull

 

[BarDulL]

It seems the spider...has been tangled in his own web! A fitting end.

Wow, and an independent. Well, this is interesting!

Class. I'll be back around 3:00pm PST. Please hold off all obnoxious tunneling until then, haha.

 

[BarDulL]

Edrees, don't think you've escaped YesterDay's events. I'll be saving my 17th cup of coffee, just for you.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

And now, I I gotta apologize to Adumbrodeus...he was right about Shadowlink. Also, if you go back and re read the thread..Shadowlink was very rarely thrown onto suspicion. Somewhat disturbing that we totally didn't catch onto him.

Again, strategic was what really got me with SL, just like Hilt.


Now that the day's past, since I recognized that I was the most likely lynch my goal was to stir up enough information to pick out a real scum with the maneuver and hopefully shift the bandwagon away from me. That's why I made a dramatic play, cause I wanted to create as much info as possible.

If I failed to develop what could draw the lynch away from me, I wanted to develop and give a good read on who was and who wasn't scum and pass it on before I died, so at the very least it would be confirmed as a town condition, my reasoning for this was that if I'm already destined to die, using my last gasps to stir the pot and see what floats up was the best use of it.


So, organizing a bandwagon on myself actually worked for town, thanks SL! And also thank you for the Darth Vader no, making it extremely unlikely you're a death miller.

Personally, I find Bardull the most suspicious still. He has been very inactive as of late (YesterDay had almost no contribution) and just jumped into the game with Godot images and quotes. Bardull, can you answer me this - who do you find most scummy as of right now? Can you give us a vote?

I THINK that's a posting restriction on his part, he's still using Godot quotes, so I think OS just gave him them.

And yeah I was online pretty late. I came to check to see if anything happened. If you haven't noticed I'm pretty into this game.

You weren't in the timeframe, it's unlikely you were the last night action.

Also, I wonder what kefka's win conditions were. Hilt's activity was on and off, and I was suspicious of him at one point in the game, but only for mere inactivity.

Not worth worrying about it right now, point is, nontown that probably couldn't win with us is now dead, that's good, just be happy about it for now. SCUM-HUNTING TIME!





Still waiting on your response Joel.

 

[Red Arremer]

My suggestion was that it was suspicious that they died right after saying they were suspicious of you, not that the actions that caused them to do so were particularly suspicious in and of themselves.

As said: Scamp only mentioned that once. I had hardly anything to do with him, and I don't even know why he would say he didn't like my posts. Since your suspicion ratio is likely to fail, and scum probably knows that you are being very quick and tend to be wrong with most of your theories, they perhaps knew this and killed off Omni.

Again, this is not a confirmation, this is a suspicion, as of now, you're my "seem scummy" candidate for the moment.

Since you kept on suspecting Omni till the very last moment, I would say that even if I could completely prove that I was a townie, you would still say I was lying. So I don't care if you say I seem scummy.

Your case is only based on indicative evidence, and again, as you've shown with your "big case" against Omni, Swordgard and Bardull, it is likely that your conclusions are wrong.

You misunderstand, I was suspicious of them because of CALCULATED inactivity, not so much inactivity. I wasn't that suspicious of reflex either, killing him was just a numbers game and he was useless to the town, we don't lynch, we're guarenteed a loss. Better to kill off a random that day that lose the (arbitrary number coming up cause I didn't calculate it) 14% additional chance of catching the scum throughout the game.

So, 2 scum to 3 town, considering that only 1/5 of the powers are scum, that's a very good ratio so far.

That's still 60% of your cases being wrong, not to mention that your major case (Omni, Swordgard, Bardull) failed. We don't know it about Bardull, but yea.

So, I did a little more digging.

OS got on at around 9:19 (his first post), since I doubt it took him a full 40 minutes to set up the lynch scene, the odds are high that he received the final night action PM some time in that window.

You know that he could've been busy otherwise? Who says that from that post on he went to write the scene? That's no evidence at all.
It's stupid to assume that OS would only or primarily pay attention to this game.

I repeat, there's absolutely no evidence at all that I was sending him a PM about a night action. You have no proof for that, and all this assumption is based on is your "OMG JOEL IS SCUM HE HAS TO DIE NOW", and you aren't even considering there's other possibilities of what happened.

As for you're answer, I sincerely doubt that any scum would decide on a night action before talking it out with their buddies, and what reason could they possibly have to not take as much of the night phase as they could?

What if they talked it out with their buddies before the night? Or as soon as night fell? Discussions don't have to take particularly long. I've been scum in mafia games before, the decisions on whom to kill usually took the least time.

You are saying I am scum based on these "facts":
- Omni and Scamp both said they didn't "like my play", and they both died.
Granted, that might look strange, but if I was mafia, I wouldn't play that obviously, cause then some noob townie could do exactly that - accuse the townie that was mentioned. Seems like a strategy scum would take to cast suspicion on someone else. However, since you are close-minded, you would never take into consideration that mafia had other reasons for killing them, cause "OMG JOEL IS SCUM".

- I am in the European time zone, and OS didn't create a response until 4 PM MET.
I mean, what the hell is that? That's absolutely no piece of evidence cause it doesn't prove ANYTHING. You don't know what OS was doing in that time between when he got on and when he posted.

And that's your case. Wow. I sure am proven to be scum! Those 2 arguments have little to do with each other and making a connection between them is stupid. I repeat, even IF I had a night action, it STILL would NOT make me scum.

I still don't like Bardull's play, but atm I think Joel has more to go on atm, at the very least I wanna see if I can get anything useful from him.

I don't know what's "useful" for you. In any case, you are wrong. I am not scum. But whatever I'd do, you're so stubborn and locked in your silly accusations that you will never ever stop saying I'm scum.

 

[Marc]

Pretty lame way to find scum, but sometimes you have to get lucky. Strago as Mafia is surprising… I have a tough time thinking of why at least. We can also see in Overswarm’s post that he had the Hated attribute (takes one less vote to lynch) and possibly something to do with blue magic. If I’m not mistaken that’s the copying of enemy abilities. The punishment for messing up a post restriction seems to be that you get a vote against you, so be careful if you get one slapped upon you (it seems to change every Day, might even be completely random). This late in the game it can decide the lynch easily and while we got some breathing room, we’re far from done.

Hilt as independent doesn’t seem too surprising. I wasn’t feeling too well about him, but at the same time I couldn’t really formulate a good case against him. It’s more of a surprise for Kefka to not be Mafia.

I have a few things that don’t sit well with me. First of all, if Chibo is a cleared Townie, why does the Mafia leave him be completely? It’s a rule of thumb to get rid of players who won’t get lynched, not to mention he would fit with their earlier victims.

Secondly, ShadowLink coasted through the game and wasn’t really noticed by anyone. Basically he was in a pool of non-factors along with people like Chibo and Pierce and was only singled out by one person to the extent of a vote: adumbrodeus. When I asked him why he so deliberately picked ShadowLink from a group of similar players, I didn’t get a response (probably because the Day ended soon after though). He still hasn't gotten back to this, unless I missed it.

I don’t have a hard time seeing yesterDay’s proceedings as a plan for adumbrodeus to either survive by seeming willing to be a sacrifice and bussing a scumbuddy or to leave us with a very confusing vote upon death, quite possibly leading to us suspecting ShadowLink less. The flaw was that ShadowLink got himself killed before adumbrodeus could build up a believable case against him, which leaves us with a seemingly random vote on a quiet Mafia member from the Day’s most likely lynch target.

Vote: adumbrodeus

I don’t think my theory is unreasonable as I’ve seen similar things happen before and even decide games. I also haven’t forgotten how adumbrodeus dominated discussion most of the time, got us on tangents and posted a lot of “theory” for the sake of seeming active. Even his latest case against Joel seems mostly based on meta (time zones, really?). That’s how I perceive him at least.

Finally, I think BarDulL could very well be faking a post restriction to get by without having to say much.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

As said: Scamp only mentioned that once. I had hardly anything to do with him, and I don't even know why he would say he didn't like my posts. Since your suspicion ratio is likely to fail, and scum probably knows that you are being very quick and tend to be wrong with most of your theories, they perhaps knew this and killed off Omni.



Since you kept on suspecting Omni till the very last moment, I would say that even if I could completely prove that I was a townie, you would still say I was lying. So I don't care if you say I seem scummy.

Your case is only based on indicative evidence, and again, as you've shown with your "big case" against Omni, Swordgard and Bardull, it is likely that your conclusions are wrong.




That's still 60% of your cases being wrong, not to mention that your major case (Omni, Swordgard, Bardull) failed. We don't know it about Bardull, but yea.



You know that he could've been busy otherwise? Who says that from that post on he went to write the scene? That's no evidence at all.
It's stupid to assume that OS would only or primarily pay attention to this game.

I repeat, there's absolutely no evidence at all that I was sending him a PM about a night action. You have no proof for that, and all this assumption is based on is your "OMG JOEL IS SCUM HE HAS TO DIE NOW", and you aren't even considering there's other possibilities of what happened.



What if they talked it out with their buddies before the night? Or as soon as night fell? Discussions don't have to take particularly long. I've been scum in mafia games before, the decisions on whom to kill usually took the least time.

You are saying I am scum based on these "facts":
- Omni and Scamp both said they didn't "like my play", and they both died.
Granted, that might look strange, but if I was mafia, I wouldn't play that obviously, cause then some noob townie could do exactly that - accuse the townie that was mentioned. Seems like a strategy scum would take to cast suspicion on someone else. However, since you are close-minded, you would never take into consideration that mafia had other reasons for killing them, cause "OMG JOEL IS SCUM".

- I am in the European time zone, and OS didn't create a response until 4 PM MET.
I mean, what the hell is that? That's absolutely no piece of evidence cause it doesn't prove ANYTHING. You don't know what OS was doing in that time between when he got on and when he posted.

And that's your case. Wow. I sure am proven to be scum! Those 2 arguments have little to do with each other and making a connection between them is stupid. I repeat, even IF I had a night action, it STILL would NOT make me scum.



I don't know what's "useful" for you. In any case, you are wrong. I am not scum. But whatever I'd do, you're so stubborn and locked in your silly accusations that you will never ever stop saying I'm scum.

Heh heh, you're taking a minor supposition extremely seriously, a great deal too seriously for my tastes.


This is nothing firm, if I wanted to make a major case against you, I'm sure I'll have a great deal more to go on then this. It was just SUSPICION, a combination of metagaming, bringing up information that seemed scummy that made me suspicious of you, and I wanted to see how you would react.


For right now, I've prodded and I'll come back to you if/when it's necessary.


Unvote

Vote: Bardull




I'm feeling this bandwagon atm, and I'm interested in seeing your response.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I was suspicious of Joel earlier in the game, but he was low on my priority list. However, now that Adumbrodeus is on his case, I'd like to point out a few things from the past few Days:

Sick with the flu. I'll post later when I recover

So, Shadowlink, mafia, made a post just to say he couldn't post and said that he has the flu. Nevermind that people who have the flu aren't going to worry about their status on an internet message forum, especially if they were town, you'd be busy sleeping and trying to get better. I honestly don't think he had a flu, or he had one and really was scared of getting lyched while out - because he had reason to be. So this carries us...

He posted about his flu yesterday. A flu usually can take more than 2 days to recover.

Joel defended him on the whole flu thing. Just a reminder. Then...

Just for the record, I am still around, and I am following this thread, I just feel like I cannot add anything at the moment.

He actually, at one point, did the exact same thing. Made a post to let people know he's still there, just for the sake of it. Exhibiting the same behavior as Shadowlink, a confirmed scum.

I know it's anti-town, but everything I would say is already said by someone else, and I really have actually nobody I'd suspect to be scum right now. I guess I ran a bit dry after the first two days being super-active.

Unvote by the way.

Joel admits that he exhibits anti town behavior.

Well, I guessed that would happen. I don't know what to say right now, and I suppose anything I'd do now would count as me trying to fend off the votes.

What do you expect me to do now?

He's in no rush to defend himself though. I still wasn't sure what to make of this and still am not.

Just for the record: Any suspicions I've thrown into the game were brushed off as silly or such. I guess this fact kinda made me sore to be as enthusiastic and bring up possibilities of suspects.

Sore? Your only chance to win the game is to keep those accusations going, whether people followed them or not. A lack of motivation to find scum....is a fishy behavior to have.

Basically, I took a look at Shadowlink's behavior..he was pointing out scum, making suggestions and helping out a bit - but he didn't have any real drive to get up on people's ***** about being scum. I think Joel is acting the same way. But at least Joel is posting and defending himself, so for now he only gets the FoS from me, and I keep my vote on Bardull who has yet to defend himself.

FoS: .joel

 

[EdreesesPieces]

More:

I would not rule out the vig still existing. Maybe he's worried to kill more townies? Maybe he is limited in uses for some reason? Maybe he also tried to kill Hilt? You never know what happens, I don't think you can draw a conclusion that it definitely was Reflex's ability to draw out Shadow from his Death. I know I brought that idea up, but it's not confirmed yet...there are too many reasons for him not to kill again.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

The above post was a response to this:

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

This pretty much confirms that shadow killing somebody was an ability that reflex had on lynch that allowed him to kill somebody who voted for him or a 1 shot vig but either way it doesn't matter cause it's gone now (unless the vig is playing stupid). A continuous vig would've been nice, but too bad.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mercury Crystal Power, Make Up!

I have a few things that don’t sit well with me. First of all, if Chibo is a cleared Townie, why does the Mafia leave him be completely? It’s a rule of thumb to get rid of players who won’t get lynched, not to mention he would fit with their earlier victims.

Probably because he's being useless to the town, hopefully mafia is gambling on him being useless enough in lylo that they're better off not killing him.

Secondly, ShadowLink coasted through the game and wasn’t really noticed by anyone. Basically he was in a pool of non-factors along with people like Chibo and Pierce and was only singled out by one person to the extent of a vote: adumbrodeus. When I asked him why he so deliberately picked ShadowLink from a group of similar players, I didn’t get a response (probably because the Day ended soon after though). He still hasn't gotten back to this, unless I missed it.

You did, pretty flagrantly I might add.

It also fit with my pattern because I accused Hilt of the exact same thing. Strategic inactivity was what got me, namely he was around to attack targets that everybody was after, and he defended himself promptly when people attacked him, but he devoted no real effort to scumhunting and generally stayed in the background as much as possible. This made it obvious that he was following the thread but choosing low participation, most likely on purpose.


This smelled as far I was concerned, I called it as scummy on him and Hilt, and Edrees is right, Bardull is acting very similarly now, so that's worth checking into.


Re-read my back posts, I referred to it constantly.

I don’t have a hard time seeing yesterDay’s proceedings as a plan for adumbrodeus to either survive by seeming willing to be a sacrifice and bussing a scumbuddy or to leave us with a very confusing vote upon death, quite possibly leading to us suspecting ShadowLink less. The flaw was that ShadowLink got himself killed before adumbrodeus could build up a believable case against him, which leaves us with a seemingly random vote on a quiet Mafia member from the Day’s most likely lynch target.

Vote: adumbrodeus

And WHY IN GOD'S GOOD NAME WOULD SL DRAW ATTENTION TO HIMSELF? Seriously, taking that take was asking for himself to get accused of busing if I flipped mafia. He could've just cruised through to lylo and we'd have no info on him.


There has to be somebody relatively active that was in the mafia that nobody would bat and eyelash at leading the charge against me, so why SL?



It contradicts his entire theory of play up to that moment, at the time the only reason he had to go for me was because I was pressuring him.



No, just no.

I don’t think my theory is unreasonable as I’ve seen similar things happen before and even decide games. I also haven’t forgotten how adumbrodeus dominated discussion most of the time, got us on tangents and posted a lot of “theory” for the sake of seeming active. Even his latest case against Joel seems mostly based on meta (time zones, really?). That’s how I perceive him at least.

I was a combination of game and meta, but that wasn't a major case, I wanted to prod Joel, see what the results were, you know, produce information, aka scumhunting. Somebody needs to take Omni's role and pressure people, otherwise we'll never get what we need to convict scum.


Also, note that I dropped time zones and checked who was actually on, hence why you weren't included in the meta.

More:

I would not rule out the vig still existing. Maybe he's worried to kill more townies? Maybe he is limited in uses for some reason? Maybe he also tried to kill Hilt? You never know what happens, I don't think you can draw a conclusion that it definitely was Reflex's ability to draw out Shadow from his Death. I know I brought that idea up, but it's not confirmed yet...there are too many reasons for him not to kill again.

You're right, it's possible he targeted Hilt, and I mentioned the possibility that he's simply a stupid virg (atm, we need all the kill attempts we can get) or 1 shot. Can't be too hasty.


But no second kill now means no lylo, which is what really matters.

 

[Marc]

Could you please quote all instances of your case against SL you claim I have missed? I know you claim it's because of "strategic inactivity", which was there, but it still doesn't answer my question of why you went after SL in particular. I could maybe write it off as you desperately looking to save your own skin and getting lucky, but eh... It concerns me that someone like Edrees is willing to instantly clear you from it.

Patterns don't mean much. The interaction between you and SL looked forced to me and it seemed clear for all parties involved that the Day ended prematurely. It would have been a good Mafia strategy, because they would have lost you (assuming I'm right) anyway. Why not capitalize on that by putting another member in a better position or even have you survive like what is happening now? I still stand by my opinion that you at several instances wasted discussion time and apply meta pressure that you seem to backpedal out of somewhat by saying you want to be the new Omni. Omni's pressure is completely different, because he doesn't write up full cases. He just votes and doesn't go for the lynch until he's more certain. I get a different feeling from you. You also keep insisting this isn't lylo, but to what end?

 

[Overswarm]

adumbrodeus- .joel, Marc
bardull- Edrees, adumbrodeus


With 7 Players remaining, it takes 4 to lynch
Day 5 will end on Thursday, May 20th at 3 p.m. EST

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

I really want to vote Bardull but feel that I need to spend more time reading though before I make the final decision.

His Day 1 play just really didn't feel good to me and the whole thing about him still suspecting me despite being confirmed really doesn't sitwell with me.

 

[Marc]

Unvote

Adumbrodeus, I'll give you a chance to convince me.

BarDulL, I don't buy your convenient post restriction when the heat is on for a second. You have been eerily quiet and there's still the problem of the claims.

Vote: BardulL

You really need to step it up. I don’t mind you going.

Away for games and work now. Will post more tomorrow.

 

[Red Arremer]

Heh heh, you're taking a minor supposition extremely seriously, a great deal too seriously for my tastes.

No, I'm trying to explain to you how stupid your timezone sillyness is.

For right now, I've prodded and I'll come back to you if/when it's necessary.

I wasn't even inactive, even on that Day I said I was posting a bit less? O_o

So, Shadowlink, mafia, made a post just to say he couldn't post and said that he has the flu. Nevermind that people who have the flu aren't going to worry about their status on an internet message forum, especially if they were town, you'd be busy sleeping and trying to get better. I honestly don't think he had a flu, or he had one and really was scared of getting lyched while out - because he had reason to be. So this carries us...

A flu is not THAT bad when it comes to being sick. When I have flu, I usually check stuff that interests me, too, at least when I'm feeling a bit better and bored.

Joel defended him on the whole flu thing. Just a reminder. Then...

That was BEFORE SL posted his flu thing, don't lie please.

He actually, at one point, did the exact same thing. Made a post to let people know he's still there, just for the sake of it. Exhibiting the same behavior as Shadowlink, a confirmed scum.

Shaya was having the same behaviour and he was flipped town when he was killed by the vig.

Joel admits that he exhibits anti town behavior.

So did adumbrodeus.

He's in no rush to defend himself though. I still wasn't sure what to make of this and still am not.

Because I already said that I knew that I was being anti-town, but I wasn't very motivated on that Day. I've been trying to be very active and such the past Days.

Sore? Your only chance to win the game is to keep those accusations going, whether people followed them or not. A lack of motivation to find scum....is a fishy behavior to have.

I know, but being ignored isn't fun, even when I'm doing the right thing.

Basically, I took a look at Shadowlink's behavior..he was pointing out scum, making suggestions and helping out a bit - but he didn't have any real drive to get up on people's ***** about being scum. I think Joel is acting the same way. [/QUOTE]

I don't, because I'm WAY more active than SL. Comparing me to him is silly, I've always been more active than SL.

More:

I would not rule out the vig still existing. Maybe he's worried to kill more townies? Maybe he is limited in uses for some reason? Maybe he also tried to kill Hilt? You never know what happens, I don't think you can draw a conclusion that it definitely was Reflex's ability to draw out Shadow from his Death. I know I brought that idea up, but it's not confirmed yet...there are too many reasons for him not to kill again.

I agree with this.

Also, aside from defending myself, I've reviewed pretty much all of Bardull's postings. He has only been really active in the first 2 Days and wasn't specifically helpful. He kept on clashing with Omni, and after that he went almost completely silent. In the last 2 or 3 Days he didn't even say ANYTHING useful, and only posted silly Phoenix Wright quotes and gifs (Inuification much?)

Therefore I agree with Edrees and adumbrodeus on him and:
Unvote
Vote: Bardull

 

[EdreesesPieces]

joel - sorry about "lying" i went back and multiquoted a bunch of posts and I seem to have quoted things out of order. My mistake. Pretty satisfied with your defenses though.

Uh...bardull has just been lynched? that's 4. ****. I was only trying to get more information out of him. I was hoping we could use this entire day to draw as much information as possible, ans save the lynch on him for later, and now suddenly the Day is over and we didn't wait to see his responses.

 

[Red Arremer]

Well, it seems Marc posted while I made my bigger post. :x

I wanted only to pressure Bardull as well.

 

[Overswarm]

bardull- Edrees, adumbrodeus, Marc, .joel

With 4 votes total....

The heroes suspicions came quickly... after the arrival of Kefka's corpse, they wasted no time in hunting for the scum they knew was hiding amongst them.


However... their panicky assault couldn't have picked a worse target.

Bardull, (Celes, town mason & mass roleblocker) has been lynched.

Can the heroes still make it through? With so many of their numbers missing, it's looking grim.


Night 5 begins!

Send me your night abilities ASAP.

Night 5 will end Wednesday, May 12th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

 

[Overswarm]

A player has failed to complete a restriction during Day 5

His pre-defined punishment:

Locke Cole

Active Abilities

Protect : Each Night, you can send me the PM of one player you wish to protect from a mafia kill. You are not able to protect yourself. Should you protect the victim, it will be announced publicly that Locke Cole protected the victim.

Passive Abilities

True Love: You are able to communicate freely with BarDull, Celes Chere. You may communicate through IMs, PMs, e-mail, etc., but must send me transcripts of all your conversations.

Locke Cole is town-aligned.

 

[BarDulL]

GGs

10 GGs

 

[Overswarm]

Night 5 will end Wednesday, May 12th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

That's three hours and ten minutes from now, get your night actions in!