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Cool, I'd Like to buy a Cartridge Shelf.
I never knew these existed till now.
I feel you on all of this. Their playstyle was actually a bit less intuitive than I would've thought given their relatively simple moveset design and there's a lot more complexity and mix ups you can use with Banjo than meets the eye. But people love to hate on "zoner" characters (especially American players) because they're "too campy" (when properly utilizing all of their tools, these assessments are both ones I disagree with) but quickplay has unfortunately created a good portion of this stigma because of how often you run into banjo players who play lame and literally never approach. People also tend to want to play a character only if a high/top level competitive player they like plays them, and there's very few players at these skill levels investing time into the bear and bird. That being said, I think they're great all around and I'm definitely doing my part to explore the depths and intricacies of the character more in this game. Plus they're just so much fun regardless.
I could not have said this better myself.
I agree as well, they're pretty much what I expected from Banjo & Kazooie in Smash, and more. Usually with Smash characters, it takes me a long time to get used to character's moves ("Wait, down b does that? Why? How do I recover, this is complicated"), whereas Banjo & Kazooie were a perfect fit for me. Particularly their recovery, being able to do stuff out of the shock spring jump really makes them feel at home with their platformer roots. While they're not perfect--I feel like they could have squeezed in more of their in-game abilities for a more complete moveset--they did pretty much everything I expected (eggs, talon trot, wonderwing, even breegull bash!) as well as stuff I didn't expect, but now couldn't see being without (they really went all-in on their stage, pretty much recreating all the little details of Spiral Mountain--and I did not expect them to get Grant's involvement, to me that showed me how important it was). I don't get people's frustrations with the characters--"They suck they're like... high mid-tier"--but it's mainly those from the competitive scene, and I'm a casual player myself, and so while I'd love to see Banjo & Kazooie getting played by the heavy hitters (or really, any Smash let's players), I don't care and don't have to watch competitive matches (Tweek and Nairo's switch from hype to disappointment did hurt a bit, though).
I agree 100% and I do think another group that hates the bear and bird duo are the hardcore competitive players that will literally hate on any character and say they suck if they aren't at least high tier. That is why I like to stay away from tier list videos and stuff like that. I don't wanna feel like the competitive scene is telling me who I should and should not play with. As long as I love the characters and franchises in general, that is enough for me to main them and definitely give them an edge over other characters. Its almost been a year and I am still in shock that they actually made it in.
Exactly lol I seen those. Don't get me wrong, I respect the competitive scene and I really do appreciate top players from all over the world playing Smash together, but the little things like tier lists rubs me the wrong way and I hate feeling like I am being told who I should play with.
Exactly! We should only play as characters we love and enjoy not just characters who competitive players see as reliable or the best.
Then again, Terry got hate for being 'Ken'. He got flank of being 'a Ken wannbe' and is overshadowed by 'Sans' who is THERE with the bear and bird duo. I hate that 'who?' means that they shouldn't come in Smash. Also, the duo is hella fun.
Pretty much this right here. People tend to put way too much stock into tier lists across all levels, and the biggest problem with them is that they're so subjective: what factors and criteria are most relevant to that player? Is it just results, or are they also factoring in what they think are the fundamental strengths and weaknesses of characters? Do they consider under-representation or over-saturation of certain characters over others and how that affects perception of tier placements and viability? Not to mention that I think many top players most likely don't like going against the grain of popular opinions among their peers when making these tier lists and explaining their reasoning for the specific placement of characters within it (particularly if the character's design or gimmick is controversial or if the popular opinion is strong one way or another for any number of reasons) in order to maintain their brand and keep their viewers/subs/fans.
Seriously, I mean the latest tourney thread has, as of this writing, most of the posts be from either Kirby haters or those who dismiss him because of tier.
I believe it's a high possibility due to Covid-19 possibly shutting down Japan befere than. But I hope that isn't the case.
Nintendo Directs are planned months in advance. They have to coordinate with NOA and NOE, their third party and indie partners. There's a lot of planning that happens beforehand, then the time it takes to shoot, edit, and make changes if need be. NateDrake was mentioning that on the SpawnCast, which confirmed my suspicions on how it worked.
Alright, that's what I thought. I'm not the most familiar on how things are being handled with Corona virus in Japan these days, but I have to imagine that there will be a Nintendo direct of some kind over the summer even with the way things are/have been (especially with such advanced planning as you described). They're still a business that needs to advertise and promote their new products/games while creating relevance and hype for ones coming down the pipeline, after all.
Yeah, apparently Japanese companies like Nintendo are not adjusting well to work at home, which has led to delays (apparently Smash is an exception, as everything I've heard shows Sakurai thinks things are going smoothly given the circumstances). I think given everything I've read a Summer direct is really unlikely, and what's more likely to happen is Nintendo will let third party developers announce their games when they're ready, and Nintendo will release info on their games, either through Twitter or short announcements (their financial briefing is a likely place to put a lot of information), rather than highly edited and polished video productions, for the time being, and that would likely resume in the Fall as they find their footing.
Hmm, I see. Not that I'm holding my breath for it, but particularly after all of this blows over (for the most part, anyway), I really hope Nintendo improves on their advertising practices and just communicates more in general. Waiting 6.5 months for a random as hell "direct-mini" at the end of March with easily the weakest way to "present" a new smash character was kind of BS (and personally, XC:DE was really the only thing I got remotely excited about). A lot of people will just stop caring or forget about smash/other games if they continue to wait so long between their announcements, especially if they keep trying to do that shadow-drop method they last several weeks ago. Sometimes I just don't understand Nintendo's thought process and methods are when it comes to business lol.
...Dude, unless it was directly stated (or there's significant evidence) that the ones responsible for this were from other companies, then Nintendo has no reason to distrust other video game companies.Anyone else heard of that major leak of the Wii's source code and other things from Nintendo? I hope this won't affect their trust with other companies...and we never get a new Banjo-Kazooie game on a Nintendo console...
Sorry...I just get worried...
Just watched it.
Ah Poor Kermit, NOHOHOHOHOHO
The animations feel a bit wonky, but I do think I like the Down Smash, Fair and Bair more.
I love the usage of Pack Wack and Flight in the moveset.
It's really interesting to now see two different takes on Banjo & Kazooie's moveset come to life. In particular, it's made me appreciate even more how I'm shocked and pleasantly surprised on what Ultimate's team came up with, and references to aspects of the games I wasn't sure they would be okay with incorporating, but they did. On the other hand, Project M's seems to stay a bit more true to the original games, though in many ways I feel like Ultimate did a better job. That being said, obviously Project M is done by fans, with limited resources and on their own time, so any critique I have includes the disclaimer that they did an amazing job given the resources they have, and visually look a lot more remarkable than I assumed a fan version can look like (particularly given the--lackluster fan mods that have preceded it). And despite Banjo & Kazooie being in Ultimate, I feel like if they can find the motivation, I'd love to see it completed as there's still a niche for a non-Ultimate style Banjo & Kazooie Smash fighter, and I'd love to see what they ultimately do with it.
Just gonna comment on a few of these that resonated with me the most. I totally agree with you regarding the project M version of BK's up smash. First off, the obvious: it's supposed to be a smash attack, so more faithful to their abilities from their series or not, it makes no sense whatsoever that it is just a glorified jump and not any kind of offensive move to use. Lastly, I also agree with you that representing characters' movesets too faithfully from their games can actually end up being disappointing because certain moves just might not feel right even if every animation and attack is "accurate" to the source material they come from. A lot of the charm of characters in Smash is derived from the creative liberties the dev team uses when designing them and their movesets/animations while also staying sufficiently loyal to the abilities used within the games they originate from (so that they can feel both familiar enough yet also novel to allow for a fun and exciting character to play as). Ultimate did a great job overall with this balance in designing Banjo & Kazooie.
Indeed, it's still hard for me to believe, it has been a dream for me practically my whole life. Seeing Banjo fight Mario, DK, Mega Man, Yoshi, Cloud & lots of other of my video game favorites; just right outside of his house where I spent many, many treasured hours playing his games is still hard for me to wrap my head around.
I still feel the same way from time to time, bro. Though for me, I've mostly moved from a state of shock and jovial disbelief that they're actually playable in Smash to feeling like they fit in so well that it seems they've been part of the roster for much longer than they actually have been. My complete joy playing as them still hasn't faded away one bit, though.
Dreams do come true, in this case, Project Dream heh. Sometimes you have to pinch yourself seeing them on the roster with other favourites, heavy hitters and all stars. Truly feels like the Ultimate Smash title.