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I understand where you are coming from with this line of logic but it is wrong. KH isn't just a Disney vehicle it's a good video game series first and licensing miracle second. It is more than the sum of its parts. Yes, the Disney x Square crossover was a big selling point for the game initially and a big hook for the casuals but the original aspects of the games are what make it special. People didn't wait 10+ years for 3 because it was a Disney game. They waited because of its contribution as a game. KH fans don't want Disney represented Smash what they want is KH represented in Smash and you don't need any Disney characters for that. When people say Sakurai doesn't have to include Disney characters it isn't meant to be as a caveat to solve a potential issue but because fans know that the original portions are what give the KH series it's soul. They don't need Disney characters as spirits nor do they need Disney locations for stages. I'm sure Sakurai who keeps up with the fans will know that what the fans want to see in Smash isn't what the Mouse can bring but the core aspect of KH the original content. And sure some fans of the series may only like KH for the Disney and not like or care about the original stuff but they aren't going to be the ones supporting Sora anyways.
Really the only way this argument has any water is if one claims Disney would demand Disney characters be included with Sora as well since Smash is just such a great advertising platform. Disney can be rather fierce with its IPs and likely wouldn't negotiate on that front but there's no way to know for us to know if that's what they would do. As for saying KH needs it's Disney content to be represented at all that's just false.
Of course fans aren't interested in Kingdom Hearts 3 just for the Disney content now because the series has already been established at this point but like I said, Disney content is the reason for it's interest in the first place and will continue to be the interest for people new to the series. If Sora is to be added, Disney content should be added as it is an integral part of the series identity. As far as I know, there hasn't been a single Kingdom Hearts game that doesn't have a Disney character or area within it.

Kingdom Hearts itself does have original content without Disney or Square Enix and there are games that put them into the centre of attention. That's fine and all for the fans but that's not going to give newer players any context to what the series represents as a whole. Sure you can apply this to Final Fantasy in Super Smash Bros but at least Midgar has the most reoccurring summons from the series such as Ifrit, Ramuh, Leviathan, Odin and Bahamut.

There is a reason for not wanting 4th party characters in Super Smash Bros but there should at least be a small exception for Sora. 4th Party characters should at least have a very successful video game presence to at the very least be able to be referenced in the background or as a spirit. I know it brings up a case for Goku and other non-video game characters but Kingdom Hearts isn't Kingdom Hearts without the Disney aspect to it. The closest we have seen the Super Smash Bros series take things from outside of the video game world is the Proximity Mine in Melee as it's loosely based off from the Remote Mine from the Goldeneye movie.
 
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Sora without Donald and Goofy in some form loses a lot of what makes Sora, well Sora.

On that note, if Sora got in and Donald and Goofy came along as spirits. A black furred Banjo and white feathered Kazooie with a magic wand and that reflector shield would be a perfect spirit battle for a Donald and Goofy spirit.
 
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/https://www.dualshockers.com/banjo-kazooie-composer-new-game-thoughts/

Grant Kirkhope thinks the only way there will be a new Banjo game is if another studio takes on the project. *cough* *RETRO* *cough*
Yeah, he's got the right stance on this. Current Rare is too busy with their pirate fetish to do anything else, so an outsider seems like the right way to go with.

However, Retro's super-busy with MP4 and presumably the next DKC, so I'm not sure if they'd be assigned to that at all.
 
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I'd rather you didn't bring that conversation to this thread. There's a Pokémon thread in the general Gaming section we have that would be better suited.
Nice job handling it, but I'll take partial blame there too. A few pages back the topic did ere towards Pokémon, albeit it a way that it was brought up in a tangentially related topic and a few others users (myself included) chimed in with thoughts on the recent Sword and Shield controversies. Banjoisawesome2020 Banjoisawesome2020 even apologized for accidentally starting a Pokémon topic, and I assured him it was cool since many of us were partaking and nobody was complaining about going off topic for about a quarter to a half of a page. After that the topic drifted back to Banjo again.
 

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My two cents on the Sora situation: I still think Sora could very well be one of the two remaining DLC Fighters. He could be a unique fighter, and as others have pointed out, there's plenty of original content in the series to not have to bring in direct references to Disney properties, and Sakurai is aware of the KH series and its popularity. Really, the only issue I can see is if Disney actually tries to push their properties into the game; THAT might be problematic, but nothing I've seen suggests that they would do that. And honestly, I could live with only the original content. Hell, one of the most popular characters in the series is Axel, a completely original character.
 

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/https://www.dualshockers.com/banjo-kazooie-composer-new-game-thoughts/

Grant Kirkhope thinks the only way there will be a new Banjo game is if another studio takes on the project. *cough* *RETRO* *cough*


I know everyone has their suspicion with Playtonic, but Honestly I genuinely believe they could redeem themselves if given the chance to work on a New Banjo game, Yooka-Laylee is its own thing, but they know what Banjo-Kazooie is so I say let them give it a go.

It'd be better than Microsoft's attempt at a new Banjo game at least.
 
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My two cents on the Sora situation: I still think Sora could very well be one of the two remaining DLC Fighters. He could be a unique fighter, and as others have pointed out, there's plenty of original content in the series to not have to bring in direct references to Disney properties, and Sakurai is aware of the KH series and its popularity. Really, the only issue I can see is if Disney actually tries to push their properties into the game; THAT might be problematic, but nothing I've seen suggests that they would do that. And honestly, I could live with only the original content. Hell, one of the most popular characters in the series is Axel, a completely original character.
I'm on the fence. On one hand, Kingdom Hearts as a franchise was objectively sold on the premise of being a bizarrely magical mash up between the Final Fantasy series and Disney IPs. Take half of that away and your left with a hypothetical Smash character that's standing in as essentially another FF Rep where we pretend the Disney aspect has no bearing on the series at all, which therefor might make it hard to make Sora look unique compared to all the other sword wielders and now multiple sword/magic combo users like Robin, Cloud, and Hero (And maybe Shulk to a far lesser extend, seeing as he has a glowy sword and a lot of airy slash moves that Sora would probably also have.). It could be done, but it'd be a tall order, and I do feel it's disingenuous to claim that the Disney influence isn't big enough in the series roots to completely ignore lest you betray part of what makes Kingdom Hearts, well, Kingdom Hearts. (The "Kingdoms" in the title literally referring to the Disney worlds.). Even if we had a stage that was purely created for the KH series, his spirits only reference Sora, Riku, the Organization, and other KH originals (Who all look very samey in the spiky haired anime swords guys department might I add. That is to say they might look a little bland mashed all together as the Kingdom Hearts representation.), All of Soras moves are KH originals (easy to do tbh.), I feel like there would almost have to be minimal Disney reference, such as Sora's Mickey Keychain, or Donald and Goofy showing up for a few seconds in the Final Smash, assuming the Smash team was so Disney averse they wouldn't even allow them to be background characters in the stage like Joker's Phantom Thieves.
 
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Nice job handling it, but I'll take partial blame there too. A few pages back the topic did ere towards Pokémon, albeit it a way that it was brought up in a tangentially related topic and a few others users (myself included) chimed in with thoughts on the recent Sword and Shield controversies. Banjoisawesome2020 Banjoisawesome2020 even apologized for accidentally starting a Pokémon topic, and I assured him it was cool since many of us were partaking and nobody was complaining about going off topic for about a quarter to a half of a page. After that the topic drifted back to Banjo again.
You are a nice person.
 

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I know everyone has their suspicion with Playtonic, but Honestly I genuinely believe they could redeem themselves if given the chance to work on a New Banjo game, Yooka-Laylee is its own thing, but they know what Banjo-Kazooie is so I say let them give it a go.

It'd be better than Microsoft's attempt at a new Banjo game at least.
Unfortunately I disagree. Playtonic was given the chance to make a modern sequel to Banjo-Tooie and instead they made.... an OK sequel to Kazooie if the current history/progression of 3D platformers didn't exist. It was like Playtonic learned nothing from Sunshine, Galaxy, Psychonauts, etc... even Tooie!

IMO, I'd want a hungry studio (like Gears For Breakfast who did Hat in Time) that learned from Odyssey and other revolutionary games to take a refreshed stab at the bear and bird's next adventure.
 
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So, since things are dead overall until Fall happens, if anyone wants custom icons, Krazy opened up his commissions again.

https://twitter.com/KrazyBonesTV

IMO, I'd want a hungry studio (like Gears For Breakfast who did Hat in Time) that learned from Odyssey and other revolutionary games to take a refreshed stab at the bear and bird's next adventure.
This person gets it. Hell, just look at Streets of Rage 4, none of that is done by any Sega-related companies, but a team up between the guys who did the Dragon's Trap remake and devs who did a beat 'em up on Xbox Live, of all things. And then there's WayForward working on the new River City/Kunio-Kun.
 
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion (which for what it's worth, I think Sora would still be super cool with or without Donald and Goofy), but I have some exciting news! I received a letter in my mailbox today from some little company called Nintendo regarding the fan letter that we mailed to them last month! (Full imgur album updated, https://imgur.com/a/wKJ7Pwe)

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While admittedly a part of me is bummed the letter doesn't mention Banjo-Kazooie by name, Nintendo doesn't own them, so maybe they can't. It's definitely not an automated response letter though as it specifically references the dreams put forth in the letter and comments on the artwork submitted with the letter. (Thanks again guys! Looks like your art might make some rounds at Nintendo! All four of you were credited in the letter and linked to your official pages, so maybe they'll reach out to you, or at least get your presence out there!) I'm overall super excited and pleased we got a letter in return!

In summary thus far:
- Grant Kirkhope has seen our letter digitally and seems extremely pleased with it all.
- Phil Spencer has seen our letter digitally and forwarded it to his contacts at Nintendo and Rare.
- Steve Mayles has seen our letter digitally.
- Nintendo has replied to the 200 page snail mail Thank You Letter.

All that's left is Microsoft or Rare's reply. I'll keep a look out in my mailbox!
 
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Sorry to interrupt the discussion (which for what it's worth, I think Sora would still be super cool with or without Donald and Goofy), but I have some exciting news! I received a letter in my mailbox today from some little company called Nintendo regarding the fan letter that we mailed to them last month! (Full imgur album updated, https://imgur.com/a/wKJ7Pwe)


While admittedly a part of me is bummed the letter doesn't mention Banjo-Kazooie by name, Nintendo doesn't own them, so maybe they can't. It's definitely not an automated response letter though as it specifically references the dreams put forth in the letter and comments on the artwork submitted with the letter. (Thanks again guys! Looks like your art might make some rounds at Nintendo! All four of you were credited in the letter and linked to your official pages, so maybe they'll reach out to you, or at least get your presence out there!) I'm overall super excited and pleased we got a letter in return!

In summary thus far:
- Grant Kirkhope has seen our letter digitally and seems extremely pleased with it all.
- Phil Spencer has seen our letter digitally and forwarded it to his contacts at Nintendo and Rare.
- Steve Mayles has seen our letter digitally.
- Nintendo has replied to the 200 page snail mail Thank You Letter.

All that's left is Microsoft or Rare's reply. I'll keep a look out in my mailbox!
Damn, that's awesome! I wouldn't have thought they'd actually reply, let alone with a hand written letter. It's also cool that they explicitly mentioned how they'll use the comments therein to make judgements on their plans for the future. If I'd have known they'd take it that seriously, my thank you probably would have been less automated myself. I would have put more heart and soul into it, and I totally wouldn't just copypasta the Navy SEAL copypasta into the comment section of the thank you and giggle to myself knowing that would be locked in a Nintendo vault forever.
 
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I received a letter in my mailbox today from some little company called Nintendo regarding the fan letter that we mailed to them last month! (Full imgur album updated, https://imgur.com/a/wKJ7Pwe)

*snip*

While admittedly a part of me is bummed the letter doesn't mention Banjo-Kazooie by name, Nintendo doesn't own them, so maybe they can't. It's definitely not an automated response letter though as it specifically references the dreams put forth in the letter and comments on the artwork submitted with the letter. (Thanks again guys! Looks like your art might make some rounds at Nintendo! All four of you were credited in the letter and linked to your official pages, so maybe they'll reach out to you, or at least get your presence out there!) I'm overall super excited and pleased we got a letter in return!

In summary thus far:
- Grant Kirkhope has seen our letter digitally and seems extremely pleased with it all.
- Phil Spencer has seen our letter digitally and forwarded it to his contacts at Nintendo and Rare.
- Steve Mayles has seen our letter digitally.
- Nintendo has replied to the 200 page snail mail Thank You Letter.

All that's left is Microsoft or Rare's reply. I'll keep a look out in my mailbox!
Thank you for posting this. It's nice to think that Krazy's art will become a part of official history now, so here's to hoping he'll be notified by them in the coming months.
 

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"Sakurai Said no 4th party characters in smash bros"

THEN EXPLAIN A 5TH PARTY CHARACTER AKA A REAL LIFE HUMAN PERSON WHO HAS BEEN IN SINCE BRAWL Dr Kawashima

You fool don't you understand? Dr. Kawashima has Ascended, he is no longer a Real person, he has become apart of the virtual world now.
 
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"Sakurai Said no 4th party characters in smash bros"

THEN EXPLAIN A 5TH PARTY CHARACTER AKA A REAL LIFE HUMAN PERSON WHO HAS BEEN IN SINCE BRAWL Dr Kawashima ! View attachment 231492 View attachment 231493
You fool don't you understand? Dr. Kawashima has Ascended, he is no longer a Real person, he has become apart of the virtual world now.
He gets around it by being the stylized video game version of himself.

Maybe.
"I don't get it
How can it be
If I'm sitting at home when I'm inside the screen?

But you're not you!
You're your digital you!
Virtually real, but controlled by real you!

But if he's not quite real, then I'm not real, too!
And your not real you is inside your real you!"

Boy, do I miss that show...

Terrydactyland post coming... tomorrow. Maybe. If I'm still real me by then.
 
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"I don't get it
How can it be
If I'm sitting at home when I'm inside the screen?

But you're not you!
You're your digital you!
Virtually real, but controlled by real you!

But if he's not quite real, then I'm not real, too!
And your not real you is inside your real you!"
You win, 10/10
 

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Have you played the games?
I haven't played the games but I have watched a full playthrough of Kingdom Hearts 1 and Kingdom Hearts 3. I can't play them because I don't have a PS4.

Evil Trapezium Evil Trapezium

"Sakurai Said no 4th party characters in smash bros"

THEN EXPLAIN A 5TH PARTY CHARACTER AKA A REAL LIFE HUMAN PERSON WHO HAS BEEN IN SINCE BRAWL Dr Kawashima ! View attachment 231492 View attachment 231493
G Guynamednelson then stylized video game version of himself mike tyson has a chance !
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He's from Nintendo published and developed games so he gets away with it. Mike Tyson is too but they'd have to go through licensing to use his likeness.
 

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IT IS DONE.

Well, as done as I think it can be! Thank you to everyone who showed interest in my Collab last month, I'm sorry for being so late (Life happens what can I say!) and I apologize if I missed you in the collab, with so many replies in a huge pool of hype I couldn't swim fast enough so to speak...

But anyway! even if you aren't present in the collab via an avatar, just remember that you were apart of this crazy Roller Coaster that was Banjo-Kazooie for Smash! And I'm glad I could of shared this moment with all of you! I hope this moment of Glory will forever be immortalized in this Piece of Bad Art!

Thanks again and once Autumn comes rolling in, It'll be time to train! GUH-HUH!

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