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I’m honestly starting to think we could be getting Erdrick and Banjo at E3. They’ve been teasing a lot of Dragon Quest stuff so it would make sense to use the opportunity to announce Erdrick. And then bam, hit ‘em with Banjo at the end to lead into all the Microsoft related stuff
Banjo & Kazooie are my 2nd most wanted character, but I'm not going to lie, there are tons of characters more iconic than Banjo & Kazooie.
That's really an opinion of imagination.
Goemon would have Impact which is this giant robot that can shoot lazer beams as his Final Smash. You can't deny that wouldn't be awesome.
Sparkster! To me and my circle of friends anyway...
It sounds pretty generic to me. Like one of the reasons many people dislike Avatar: The Legend of Korra season four.
I'll agree that there is still some bigger names than Banjo-Kazooie, But the one thing I will give the edge to BK over all other characters you mentioned is that they have origins and strong ties with Nintendo and have more meaning to the Smash and Nintendo fans.
I really can't get behind the idea that fan demand would prove anything other than pivotal in Banjo's inclusion. Characters that have been out of the limelight for so long are basically only kept alive by fans.
There aren't many gaming characters not in Smash that are bigger than Banjo? Can't say I agree with that.
Thank you for that, it made me giggle.
I don't think so. Banjo & Kazooie's biggest competition is Steve no matter how you slice it.
Both of you are wrong, Banjo & Kazooie's biggest obstacle is the flight distance between Japan and the UK.
Lol! So true. Good thing K. Rool and the Kongs live in Japan with Nintendo now right? Lol!
That's incorrect. Banjo will not be getting into Smash for any sort of impact he has had on gaming. He may be a big part of the N64 but if Nintendo and Sakurai are looking for legacy of any kind and you think they will pick Banjo over Master Chief or Steve then that's crazy. The absolute only thing Geno has is popularity and the absolute only thing Banjo has is popularity. And I should point out their respective impact in comparison to each other is unimportant it's their comparison to the other characters of the parent company that matters. So yes in comparison to Geno Banjo has his N64 legacy but it means nothing in the face of his Microsoft competitors. We literally are the Geno of Microsoft right now.
Because it doesn't. Hey I won't argue Banjo is great and I want his N64 heyday to matter for Smash but it doesn't. In the face of Master Chief and Steve, anything he's accomplished on the 64 means nothing. It's 100% just popularity that will get him anywhere.
That is true but it doesn't matter all that much. I'm not comparing which of the two deserves to be in Smash more. I'm talking about how they are in an extremely similar position which is they are relying 100% on fan pull to be given a place on the roster despite the abundance of much bigger names of the host company. And that Banjo fans giving examples of why a character like Geno's popularity shouldn't matter isn't good for us.
Just because it’s inconvenient doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Especially with Phil Spencer visiting so often lately
If there’s so much competition standing in Banjo’s way, why has Phil Spencer always advocated for Banjo rather the other two? It’s a collaborative effort between the two companies and they both know that Banjo is the character linking them together. There’s rumors of Master Chief Collection coming to switch as well as other Xbox games, is that not good enough for Microsoft? Does Smash have to be the basket where they put all their eggs?
And I assume you probably think that ''popularity" was the entire case for K. Rool, Ridley, and the Belmonts getting into the roster right? The Ballot is the reason they're in, but I don't think Sakurai chose them because they were in the top 5 or 10. Ridley and K. Rool are like the two most iconic Nintendo villains after Bowser and Ganondorf. Simon is a legendary gaming icon that's been around since the NES days.
No. I think popularity is the sole reason why K Rool and Ridley are here.
Because Banjo is the one the fans want because they are popular and I hope Sakurai thinks the same way which was my entire point. I'm saying if they pick characters solely on legacy we are screwed. I don't get how this even remotely deals with what I said.
No, it's not the entire reason. Them being DK and Samus's villains help them greatly to their inclusions.
Picking characters off of legacy is better than just picking nothing but new or obscure picks.
Steve is all but deconfirmed. Honestly, Banjo has more to worry from a Battletoad than Steve. If we’re getting a Microsoft rep, it’ll be Banjo. I’d say if Microsoft gets a character, 75% chance it’s gonna be Banjo and that’s a conservative guess.
Yeah, them being the villains definitely helped. That's why they were sidelined for so long.
So you think obscure RPG characters like Isaac and Geno deserved to get in just as much as K. Rool, Ridley, and Banjo & Kazooie? I don't think so.
I think you are misunderstanding something. I'm not debating the merits of Banjo versus other popular characters. I'm saying that Banjo is relying solely on popularity against the recognition and legacy of Halo and Minecraft and compared his situation to Geno's. A character whose claim to fame is just popularity against a bunch of characters who are more recognizable in the gaming scape. And that we as Banjo fans should want more Isaac's and Geno's in Smash because it shows characters who are popular can also be considered. And yes I do think Isaac deserves it because his popularity is just as big as theirs. I hold fast to the idea that if any three characters were added to Ultimate it should have been K Rool, Ridley, and Isacc. As for Geno I don't care in the slightest if he is ever added I just want popular picks to matter because it helps out Isaac and Banjo.
I don't think that whether or not a character is obscure (especially since that sort of thing is fairly subjective) means much; we know for a fact that Sakurai's wanted to put Geno in Smash since Brawl, and presumably, Square-Enix is the main thing standing in the way of that, so when it comes to the person making the decisions for who gets into Smash, a character's "obscurity" doesn't seem to mean a great deal on its own.
We don't know the results of the Smash Ballot. Bayonetta and the Belmonts probably did better than Isaac and Geno because they're in. Bayonetta and the Belmonts had no presence of their popularity felt online at all during the Ballot and yet they were Ballot winners.
I guess you got a point. But I was saying who deserves it more.
Welp they are gonna have to stock up on a lot of red feathers for that.
Didn’t Sakurai say he went with Simon and Richter because that’s who the fans wanted even though Alucard is the more relevant, popular character?
Yeah, a ballot of 2 million clearly had such an excess of players voting. And Bayonetta wasn't being worked on right after the ballot started. No, it was all popularity by some silent majority that totally exists guys.
So you're saying Sakurai is a liar? Because I trust him more than you or anybody else that has a opinion about how the Ballot went down.
Yep.
Spyro and Rayman never had a presence in Japan which is a key market. I love them both to death though. The others are accurate and bigger names than Banjo though. I didn't say they were the biggest, I said there weren't many names bigger.
But still, more people worldwide know who Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Rayman is.
I feel like if they can add Roy and Marth back in Melee despite the west having no idea who they were, they should do the same for the west with at least one or two characters. Sucks that we get the short end of the stick most of the time
Have a swell time!
Hey man that's fine believe what you want. Even if goes against things we can see for ourselves. My points about Banjo still stand.
