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PP really shouldn't be playable IMO, but I do think its moveset is one of the more interesting ones. If there wasn't a tight space for newcomers, a character like PP would be more excusable.
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Bandana Dee, the Legend of Dee - Our Star Ally as DeeLC?! (v(- ' ' -)>↑
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StormC
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I said this in the Dixie thread, but I feel like Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Toad are all in a similar spot: they aren't the protagonist or secondary lead of their franchises, they aren't the main villain, and they aren't a side character who Sakurai sees as having potential for a really cool moveset, so they fly under Sakurai's radar despite having impressive resumes in their own right. Not to mention Bandana Dee has to contend with Sakurai's focus on Super Star-era content, leaving us with a real conundrum. With Joker and Reggie's statement, I'm personally not expecting first party DLC and I'm definitely not expecting a second wave. So what does this mean for the future of Bandana Dee?
Going into the next Smash, I think Dee is going to be the most heavily speculated character, sort of like Ridley was for Smash 4. He's a popular character that's part of a classic Nintendo series and the more HAL uses him, the more his popularity will grow. Now with Piranha Plant, I think people who were on the fence about Dee are going to be drawn to him because the taboo against "generic" enemy species is now broken. Kirby not getting a new character since Brawl will definitely light the fire under a lot of fans, since unlike some other series, Kirby has quite a few options for that, but Dee the most obvious.
Dixie and Bandana Dee are basically my last (realistic) Nintendo character requests left. I really wished it could have worked out, and maybe it still will... but Dee will still be a strong contender as long as he is kept in the hearts of fans and he maintains his presence in the Kirby series. He's a real underdog and I hope that someday he'll get his chance to be cemented as a Nintendo All-Star. You guys deserve better.
I found this fanart on Google and one day, I hope we get to play it out for real:
Going into the next Smash, I think Dee is going to be the most heavily speculated character, sort of like Ridley was for Smash 4. He's a popular character that's part of a classic Nintendo series and the more HAL uses him, the more his popularity will grow. Now with Piranha Plant, I think people who were on the fence about Dee are going to be drawn to him because the taboo against "generic" enemy species is now broken. Kirby not getting a new character since Brawl will definitely light the fire under a lot of fans, since unlike some other series, Kirby has quite a few options for that, but Dee the most obvious.
Dixie and Bandana Dee are basically my last (realistic) Nintendo character requests left. I really wished it could have worked out, and maybe it still will... but Dee will still be a strong contender as long as he is kept in the hearts of fans and he maintains his presence in the Kirby series. He's a real underdog and I hope that someday he'll get his chance to be cemented as a Nintendo All-Star. You guys deserve better.
I found this fanart on Google and one day, I hope we get to play it out for real:
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Mogisthelioma
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On the day we get decent Kirby content from the post-Sakurai era, we can begin to speculate Dee. Magolor, etc. with more power. Until then....I said this in the Dixie thread, but I feel like Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Toad are all in a similar spot: they aren't the protagonist or secondary lead of their franchises, they aren't the main villain, and they aren't a side character who Sakurai sees as having potential for a really cool moveset, so they fly under Sakurai's radar despite having impressive resumes in their own right. Not to mention Bandana Dee has to contend with Sakurai's focus on Super Star-era content, leaving us with a real conundrum. With Joker and Reggie's statement, I'm personally not expecting first party DLC and I'm definitely not expecting a second wave. So what does this mean for the future of Bandana Dee?
Going into the next Smash, I think Dee is going to be the most heavily speculated character, sort of like Ridley was for Smash 4. He's a popular character that's part of a classic Nintendo series and the more HAL uses him, the more his popularity will grow. Now with Piranha Plant, I think people who were on the fence about Dee are going to be drawn to him because the taboo against "generic" enemy species is now broken. Kirby not getting a new character since Brawl will definitely light the fire under a lot of fans, since unlike some other series, Kirby has quite a few options for that, but Dee the most obvious.
Dixie and Bandana Dee are basically my last (realistic) Nintendo character requests left. I really wished it could have worked out, and maybe it still will... but Dee will still be a strong contender as long as he is kept in the hearts of fans and he maintains his presence in the Kirby series. He's a real underdog and I hope that someday he'll get his chance to be cemented as a Nintendo All-Star. You guys deserve better.
I found this fanart on Google and one day, I hope we get to play it out for real:
smashkirby
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Uh, guys? I got some bad news...
You know the Waddle Dee spirit? It apparently evolves into... B.W.D. Wow, I'm feeling REALLY conflicted over this...
Darktheumbreon
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If you think about, that's what actually happened though. Bandana Waddle Dee was a nobody at first who "evolved" into something great.
oh that reminds me i should level mine up
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The way I see it, Spirits confirm a character's viability for DLC about as much as trophies or stickers would - not at all. If he was an assist trophy, or a DLC Mii costume, then that would be a concern, but I'd like to think that the DLC would be a mix of ridiculous surprises and popular choices, and Bandanna Dee definitely seems to be popular (particularly in Japan - I think that, from Source Gaming's poll/research, he's the highest-ranked character that isn't in the game in some form).
JCKirbs
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I really hope that all three of them (Toad, Dixie, and Bandana Dee) join the battle someday. Although, I'm doubtful towards such inclusions as DLC, given that we now know what Sakurai/Nintendo are aiming for with the general scope of fighters, being "Unexpected", "Unique" and practically everything in between, using Joker as the primary example. I still have at least a glimmer of hope glistening for at least one of the three to join, but I have a feeling that we might have to wait till' the next entry in the series for them to have a chance, unfortunately.I said this in the Dixie thread, but I feel like Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Toad are all in a similar spot: they aren't the protagonist or secondary lead of their franchises, they aren't the main villain, and they aren't a side character who Sakurai sees as having potential for a really cool moveset, so they fly under Sakurai's radar despite having impressive resumes in their own right. Not to mention Bandana Dee has to contend with Sakurai's focus on Super Star-era content, leaving us with a real conundrum. With Joker and Reggie's statement, I'm personally not expecting first party DLC and I'm definitely not expecting a second wave. So what does this mean for the future of Bandana Dee?
Going into the next Smash, I think Dee is going to be the most heavily speculated character, sort of like Ridley was for Smash 4. He's a popular character that's part of a classic Nintendo series and the more HAL uses him, the more his popularity will grow. Now with Piranha Plant, I think people who were on the fence about Dee are going to be drawn to him because the taboo against "generic" enemy species is now broken. Kirby not getting a new character since Brawl will definitely light the fire under a lot of fans, since unlike some other series, Kirby has quite a few options for that, but Dee the most obvious.
Dixie and Bandana Dee are basically my last (realistic) Nintendo character requests left. I really wished it could have worked out, and maybe it still will... but Dee will still be a strong contender as long as he is kept in the hearts of fans and he maintains his presence in the Kirby series. He's a real underdog and I hope that someday he'll get his chance to be cemented as a Nintendo All-Star. You guys deserve better.
I found this fanart on Google and one day, I hope we get to play it out for real:
Mogisthelioma
Smash Master
I'd be surprised if we didn't get 1-2 fighters as DLC/newcomers in Smash 6 who aren't currently spirits.
KirbyWorshipper2465
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Yeah. I figure that they'll sneak in some first parties during the Nintendo Directs, since it would make sense to show off those there. Like I once said in another support thread, don't show your opponents your hand from the start, it's counterintuitive.
It still gets me that Sakurai didn't even put Paint Roller in the base game at all, yet Elline is the designated paint-based character.
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shocktarts17
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except they already said that Spirits are there to get characters in who wouldn't otherwise be in. I want BWD as much as you guys but you really need to adjust your expectations. For now until we get some sort of confirmation it is best to assume Spirits deconfirm because thats the only evidence we have with PP not having a spirit and being in as DLC.
If they do a second wave or we're talking about Smash 6 yeah I'm sure he has a shot but his chance for this first wave of DLC is probably in the low 10% range.
Mogisthelioma
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I think at this point it's safe to day a wave 2 can't be out of consideration, but right now I think Dee has a higher chance of being in the base game of Smash 6. So do Elma and Edelgard, etc.
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shocktarts17
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Yeah I'm personally not getting my hopes up for a wave 2 since they haven't said anything about doing it and the only reason people seem to think one is happening is "because Nintendo would be stupid not to" lol which doesn't mean anything.
Mogisthelioma
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Whilst I don't expect a wave 2 to happen, I don't think it's impossible. But I'm not banking on it. We should begin Smash 6 Dee speculation. You know, directing our own trailers, moveset ideas, would Dee be a newcomer alongside anyone else? Instead of hoping for DeeLC, we sould also be looking to the late future.
Smash 6 speculation: 25-40 fighters. Each series has no more than 4 fighters.
Impa Bandana Waddle Dee (Any 2 other Pokemon)(FE newcomer) and maybe Sum third parties.
I also made some newcomer splash ideas for Kirby characters. Some of them were made by other people:
Bandana Waddle Dee makes a legend!
Magolor hunts for victory!
Marx steals the show!
Adeline (and Ribbon?) show(s) her(their) colors!
Daroach sneaks in!
Susie gets sassy!
Taranza spins your doom!
QUeen Sectonia brings the royalty!
I couldn't come up with any for Gooey, Dark Meta Knight, Rick, Kine, and Coo, Galacta Kight, or Prince Fluff sadly.
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We talking smash 6? Cause personally I think Smash 6 will just be a port; maybe with a new story if they are feeling creative. The only cut's will be any Third Parties who wouldn't play ball. This Smash 6 will have it's own years of DLC support. I'd be fine with that.
Mogisthelioma
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I hope the only fighters that get cut are clones, Fire Emblem characters, useless pokemon and third parties.
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Echoes being well-received, and having all the assets to make Dark Pit if they made Pit, will make a couple of those hard.
Mogisthelioma
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Either they should declone them or remove them IMO.
shocktarts17
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Changes above in bold.Smash 6 speculation: 25-40 fighters. Each series has no more than 4 fighters.
[I would probably keep Olimar and maybe Little Mac as fighters with unique movesets]
[I would put Sonic and Mega Man in at least for 3rd parties.]
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im curious who do you think is a useless pokemon and why?
Darktheumbreon
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A decent amount of people don't really like that there's a starter pokemon per game.
i suppose givin the the timing of each games development sakurai doesnt have the chance to see who the most popular is and thinks a starter is one people would be happy with
Mogisthelioma
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I'm only holding on to Puff since she seems to have that "Original 12" immunity. They were going to remove her in Melee and Brawl, but they didn't. I'm not sold on Impa either, but I bet they'll have a fourth Zeda fighter who isn't a Link regardless. I was unsure about Ike since I doubt FE will have more than 3 fighters, unless there's no FE newcomer. I also personally lean toward Isabelle more than Villager. I kept WFT because she's the only joke fighter that both tangibly exists and doesn't borrow moves from other games. Olimar and Mac, maybe? And I just said "thrid parties" since they could be anyone.
shocktarts17
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Yeah I was just saying which third parties I would think make the most sense.
And I get that they haven't removed her yet because of "original 12" whatever but as someone who is 100% not relevant anymore in a series that has tons of options from 7 generations of Pokemon games getting a second 1st gen rep who isn't really even popular any more seems like a waste.
Mogisthelioma
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I agree. The only gen 1 rep we should have is Pikachu. Everyone else should be from like gen 6 or above.
shocktarts17
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Yeah as much as I love Pokemon Trainer and Mewtwo they really bloat the 1st gen.
Mogisthelioma
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It's really nice to see fighters like Greninja and Incineroar help rep the later gens. Although if Greninja seems a bit stale now, since with Ultimate we have 2 water type pokemon (and for that matter I would remove Pichu for the same reason, regardless of being a clone).
shocktarts17
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Yeah I don't think Pichu should stick around unless he makes the transition to echo.
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Typing=/=gameplay. Granted, most roster Thanoses don't care about gameplay.
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Mogisthelioma
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Which I'm surprised he didn't.
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His nair (which I honestly prefer over Pikachu's), weight, and self-damage all make him too different. Sakurai admits it's cheating to call Ken an echo.
shocktarts17
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Yeah but we do have another Ninja in Sheik so its not like he's filling some missing role there either.
I agree he is currently different but he really doesn't need to be, he could easily be a Pikachu echo without really loosing his character identity.
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Mogisthelioma
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One thing I think we should all take into account is that there really aren't that many people who actually have a stigma against Dee. People against Dee's inclusion are more of a vocal minority if anything
Fair enough.
Which is also probably the reason why we don't have Decidueye, who would just be another sneaky/swiftly fighting character.
shocktarts17
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Not to mention 5 different people with bows
Mogisthelioma
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Link, Yink, Tink, Pit and Dark ****. Although that's a lot, I wouldn't mind one more if it had some sort of creative twist. If Revali was ever added, maybe he could switch arrows from different arrow elements in BOTW for example.
DjinnandTonic
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It's a bit misleading to say '5 people with bows!' when they are all variants of only 2 people...
Incineroar is super-fun to play as, but I still would have been happier with my Ghost/Grass Archer Owl... Presumably Sakurai can make anything fun given enough time, so roster preference largely comes down to personal affection for a character.
Maybe whatever the Gen 8 Grass Starter is will be as cool as Decidueye...
Unless it wield a Grass-spear or something, in which case, it better not edge out Bandana Dee again. *sigh*
Incineroar is super-fun to play as, but I still would have been happier with my Ghost/Grass Archer Owl... Presumably Sakurai can make anything fun given enough time, so roster preference largely comes down to personal affection for a character.
Maybe whatever the Gen 8 Grass Starter is will be as cool as Decidueye...
Unless it wield a Grass-spear or something, in which case, it better not edge out Bandana Dee again. *sigh*
PeridotGX
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To be fair, all those characters merely use bows for one attack. Luigi would use bows for most to all his attacks. It's like how Megaman has projectiles for a ton of attacks, it's because he was added with less limitations.
Mogisthelioma
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Luigi? Bows?
FancySmash
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It does kinda suck that Pokemon and Fire Emblem seem to have the problem of having the dated characters later on. Even with Jigglypuff as my favorite Pokemon, I have to admit, the most going for her as of late was Fairy typing... Though I personally see her having more stardom than say Incineroar, whether that be because she's been around longer or what be the reason.
Mogisthelioma
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People like to take a crap on Incineroar since he's not Shadow, Isaac, Geno or whatever. I'm going to name my Incineroar amiibo "Geno."