Bad Idea Mafia Vol. 3 - Ovah!?

[KevinM]

Is meta a bad place to start?

Signs point to yes.

I am not telling you what to focus on because I'm not the town map. Focusing on Omni's posting style doesn't exactly help us out at all.

Chibo is doing his Chibo thing. Not contributing, not making any solid stances and afraid to bungle up because he is more worried about dying then he is moving the town forward. Null tell because he does this every game.

I chose not to answer your bomb question, still don't plan on it.

 

[Chuckie]

So far mentos has gravitated towards discussing mechanics or things not related to scum hunting. Omni said he's slow to start but I dislike the lack of content in his posts.

Sold is kind of similar, he's mainly talked about voting systems, meta and just asked questions. He said he was up for looking at Swiss but he hasn't really done so apart from asking him a question.

Want to see more stances from these two.

 

[Omni]

ag reed

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Back from V/LA, will be caught up and have a substantial post up by tomorrow.

 

[Xivii]

Signs point to yes.

I am not telling you what to focus on because I'm not the town map. Focusing on Omni's posting style doesn't exactly help us out at all.

Chibo is doing his Chibo thing. Not contributing, not making any solid stances and afraid to bungle up because he is more worried about dying then he is moving the town forward. Null tell because he does this every game.

I chose not to answer your bomb question, still don't plan on it.

Are you serious?

Zen: Omni why are you posting like that. It's just makes it harder to read your post.
Omni: No reason just feel like it.
Zen: But it just makes you and your posts harder to read.
Omni: I'm contributing more than a lot and I'm being direct.
Zen: Fine.

Ronike: Zen stop *****ing! Makes me think you're trying to find an easy lynch.
Zen: I've already dropped that. Nor have I ever said his posting made him scum.
Kevin: Zen is weird for focusing on unimportant things. Focusing on Omni's posting style doesn't help us at all.

You guys are completely portraying this as you want it to be. All I did was question him about it dropped it and I dropped it within 3 posts. I questioned him about it because I noticed a same kind of playstyle shift in Mario Kart when he was scum and when I pointed it out, he reverse psychod me into thinking it was nothing and that I was scummy for even pointing it out with his "do you think this is scummy, zen?". I haven't put focus on this at all. I simply asked him a question to get my feel on what he is about and dropped it after doing so. I never planned on persuing it as scummy unless of course something scummy actually came out of it which nothing did. The two of you are painting it as something it isn't.

 

[Xivii]

See, Swiss saying I'm scum seems like a town thing because he always sees me as scum. But he's really not pushing the issue at all.



Yeah, I realized my misunderstanding of your intent as I was reading today. It's part of the reason that I'm only an okay player because I read something and interpret it as something else.

So then what do do you think it says about them now?

You were weary because they only complained about holding your hand in NBC and felt they were likely town for fully offering their hand here.

Now that you know this isn't the case, do you still think they are likely town? Or are you as weary as before? Also do you only accept peoples hands when you think they are town? If so, why do you do it in the beginning?

 

[Omni]

i don't think i changed my playstyle during Mario Kart mafia
nothing to the extent of me just feeling lazy

i want to shoot mentos

 

[Xivii]

The way he handled the whole joke from Skype was really awkward. He could have easily played it off as a joke, which he still sort of it, but not really all the way, and it's incredibly loaded with wifom. Just read back to his earlier posts in the day about it, and I would rather not keep that wifom floating in place. We'll never know if he can kill or not if he keeps the act up, so we put him in the situation to either shoot or be shot.

So pretty much I want to clear up his ability as a gunslinger sooner than later to get rid of the questionable doubt I'm sure some of us have (I know I do), and it potentially helps rid town of a hazard. Either he's scummy in this whole mess and we control his NK + put cool down on the scum killer, or he's town and he add cooldown to his brash play. I know I don't want someone like him (needlessly aggressive) having the ability to shoot at the start of any day, it just somewhat prevents him from being a liability.

So you're saying that his style isn't scummy, but it's detrimental? And you wan't to get rid of that detriment?

Also you do realize that Swiss has been pressing pretty hard against quickshooters? So I'm not getting why your reasoning for wanting him to shoot is to prevent him from quickshooting. Agressive play isn't the same as impulsive and irrational play.

It seems illogical to me that you don't think his actions are scummy but you want him to be shot (or shoot. Emphasis on the be shot) because of WIFOM of whether he could shoot or not (which he would likely clear up later as both town and scum) and want him to shoot because he is agressive when it could out him as a cop if he can't shoot. I'd understand this reasoning if you felt he was scum, but you're not being clear on whether or not he is scummy to you or not.

 

[Xivii]

@Omni: You were so lurky when I was alive. Non-activist/agrro Omni which is what I've generally seen you as. You agreed with me in one post.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Man, I'm already behind. :/ I'll try to catch up sometime in the next couple days guys.

 

[Chuckie]

Imo Zen is incredibly justified to question Omni about his posting style. Obvious WIFOM, but nothing screams "HEY COP INVESTIGATE ME!" then a blatant play style change like that.

Ofc it's a small chance that Omni is the godfather and I'm by no means saying he is. Zen also said he doesn't think it's scummy and isn't pursuing it. And Omni has given more stances/content then most others in the game, so trying to lynch him on a thing like that is idiotic.

But to not even consider at least once that there might be a reason for Omni playing how he is... that's being narrow minded.

 

[Omni]

uh
there might be a reason. there might not. that's wifom.
but i've already said there wasn't
whether you believe me or not is another case
but unless you think i am playing scummy
there's no reason to look any further into it
especially if i'm still effectively scumhunting

investigating me on the stance that i changed my playstyle
is dumb
especially since i announced it from the get go
it would be another thing if my playstyle changed
unannounced

anyway, people still lingering on my different posting style...
really, really off track from more important topics
especially if people are having an issue with it now
as opposed to early in the game
when i announced that i'd be playing more lazy

 

[Chuckie]

Just saying, I can see why Zen would think the way he did. And it's not like he's only focusing on your posting style. Do you think he's scummy Omni?

 

[Omni]

i didn't say only, Chuckie.
him focusing on my posting style a few pages later in the game
after i had already claimed i was changing it early game
has been dully noted
but it doesn't strike a chord for me

right now
we should be threatening to kill one of these inactives
no free pass to coast, imo.
hate having those guys in lylo

actually
attn: really, really inactive players
imma shoot one of u if i get annoyed long enough

 

[CT Chia]

So you're saying that his style isn't scummy, but it's detrimental? And you wan't to get rid of that detriment?

Also you do realize that Swiss has been pressing pretty hard against quickshooters? So I'm not getting why your reasoning for wanting him to shoot is to prevent him from quickshooting. Agressive play isn't the same as impulsive and irrational play.

It seems illogical to me that you don't think his actions are scummy but you want him to be shot (or shoot. Emphasis on the be shot) because of WIFOM of whether he could shoot or not (which he would likely clear up later as both town and scum) and want him to shoot because he is agressive when it could out him as a cop if he can't shoot. I'd understand this reasoning if you felt he was scum, but you're not being clear on whether or not he is scummy to you or not.

My emphasis was more on him shooting obviously

The is shot scenario is if he's chosen since he can't shoot himself

 

[Rockin]

actually
attn: really, really inactive players
imma shoot one of u if i get annoyed long enough

Hey I wish I can contribute, but ftm, I don't see an area where I could. All I see are talks about your playstyle and how to handle the mechanics of the game. Both of wish I really don't want part of, especially I'm just gonna do my best to help out town.

 

[Tandora]

So then what do do you think it says about them now?

You were weary because they only complained about holding your hand in NBC and felt they were likely town for fully offering their hand here.

Now that you know this isn't the case, do you still think they are likely town? Or are you as weary as before? Also do you only accept peoples hands when you think they are town? If so, why do you do it in the beginning?

Null read so far on Chuckie. Obviously I misread their intent. Here's my train of thought:

Chuckie offered to be friends. Read as hand holding. Remembered NBC. Got suspicious. Thought about it, realized he offered first. Feel that's a townie thing. Offered to accept hand holding. Chuckie refused. A first, mad, but realized I screwed up. And honestly, if he is town, it makes more sense for him to play cautiously. Why should he want to hand hold when I've barely coasted in the game so far?

Yes, in general I will hand hold with people I believe to be town. Meaning, I could just offer to hand hold at the beginning of the game with no information of the other person, but if time passed and I thought they were scum, I'd reconsider. But I wouldn't hand hold with someone I already thought was irredeemably scummy.

In other news, there are no deadlines in this game. I have seen most games tend to need that deadline for a crunch. How do people feel about using a self imposed 10 day deadline? Why or why not?

 

[Tandora]

Oh yeah, also I think Zen is town.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hey I wish I can contribute, but ftm, I don't see an area where I could. All I see are talks about your playstyle and how to handle the mechanics of the game. Both of wish I really don't want part of, especially I'm just gonna do my best to help out town.

Then pick out something scummy (no matter how small) and start a case. Even if it's a bad one, it'll get some discussion going.

Null read so far on Chuckie. Obviously I misread their intent. Here's my train of thought:

Chuckie offered to be friends. Read as hand holding. Remembered NBC. Got suspicious. Thought about it, realized he offered first. Feel that's a townie thing. Offered to accept hand holding. Chuckie refused. A first, mad, but realized I screwed up. And honestly, if he is town, it makes more sense for him to play cautiously. Why should he want to hand hold when I've barely coasted in the game so far?

Aren't the bolded parts contradictory here?

 

[Omni]

look for scum at the least, Rockin

no johns. i will shoot u if i think you're avoiding the game too much

 

[Nicholas1024]

Omni, I don't want anyone shot without some VERY good justification behind it. I don't think inactivity (unless it's plainly avoiding a case or something like that) is good enough.

 

[Rockin]

Then pick out something scummy (no matter how small) and start a case. Even if it's a bad one, it'll get some discussion going.

And have you tunnel/shoot me to my death for psudo scum hunting? Naaaaah...XD

look for scum at the least, Rockin

no johns. i will shoot u if i think you're avoiding the game too much

Trying Omni, but eh. Everyone seems to be playing fine on my watch

 

[Omni]

Omni, I don't want anyone shot without some VERY good justification behind it. I don't think inactivity (unless it's plainly avoiding a case or something like that) is good enough.

uh, no
if i feel like someone isn't putting in enough
into the game
they're going to die

i'll give a heads up warning post tho
if i decide to shoot someone

Trying Omni, but eh. Everyone seems to be playing fine on my watch

no johns again, rockin
everyone has posted
and you know 3 of us can be mafia
do something
cuz sitting on your thumb waiting
gives mafia the same excuse to sit and wait

 

[Chuckie]

i didn't say only, Chuckie.
him focusing on my posting style a few pages later in the game
after i had already claimed i was changing it early game
has been dully noted
but it doesn't strike a chord for me

right now
we should be threatening to kill one of these inactives
no free pass to coast, imo.
hate having those guys in lylo

actually
attn: really, really inactive players
imma shoot one of u if i get annoyed long enough

Ok, but looking back Zen didn't post until #78 and brought it up to ask Swiss about it then, so he did bring it up in his first post.

I'm fine with the inactives dieing, but I'd rather you not be the one to shoot.

Mentos shoots Sold or vice versa is a good option imo.

Chibo/Rockin/Nich/Tan/Kevin who would you have shoot atm?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Chuckie
I'm not really sure yet. If I had to shoot right now, I'd probably pull an Omni and take out an inactive.

 

[Rockin]

Ok, but looking back Zen didn't post until #78 and brought it up to ask Swiss about it then, so he did bring it up in his first post.

I'm fine with the inactives dieing, but I'd rather you not be the one to shoot.

Mentos shoots Sold or vice versa is a good option imo.

Chibo/Rockin/Nich/Tan/Kevin who would you have shoot atm?

No one, atm. I have no one who I'd feel is scummy, therefore I have no one in mind. I also don't understand the point of the question. If there's someone they feel is scummy, I'm sure they would either pressure for more information, or just shoot them.

I don't understand why Mentos or Sold2 shoot or be shot. None of them has done anything scummy. Mind elaborating?

 

[Chuckie]

And have you tunnel/shoot me to my death for psudo scum hunting? Naaaaah...XD



Trying Omni, but eh. Everyone seems to be playing fine on my watch

Ok Rockin, what do you think of Swiss' #91? Does he seem panicky to you? Have you ever really seen swiss panic before?

What do you think of Riddles dislike of the Swiss 'wagon' yet not taking a stance on any of the players on the wagon, or even disagreeing that Swiss was playing weird to deserve dislike?

 

[Chuckie]

Ninja'd

@Rockin:

So far mentos has gravitated towards discussing mechanics or things not related to scum hunting. Omni said he's slow to start but I dislike the lack of content in his posts.

Sold is kind of similar, he's mainly talked about voting systems, meta and just asked questions. He said he was up for looking at Swiss but he hasn't really done so apart from asking him a question.

Want to see more stances from these two.

Also my question was meant to be "who would you have shot" as in, you want XXX to shoot YYY.

 

[Rockin]

Ok Rockin, what do you think of Swiss' #91? Does he seem panicky to you? Have you ever really seen swiss panic before?

What do you think of Riddles dislike of the Swiss 'wagon' yet not taking a stance on any of the players on the wagon, or even disagreeing that Swiss was playing weird to deserve dislike?

Never saw Swiss panicy, but as I read the #91, I didn't read it off as such. Even if he was, can one blame him? This is his first BIM game, and this game there's more then one vig. I'm sure at least half of the people were a bit scared on their first or 2nd BIM game before.

Dunno about riddle. I'm considering it slightly odd. I forget how Riddle works (it HAS been awhile since I last played with him). The fact that he's in a hydra makes it more harder. I'm gonna assume that he's just being cautious cause he doesn't want to attract any negative attention, without the other head's approval.

Ninja'd

@Rockin:



Also my question was meant to be "who would you have shot" as in, you want XXX to shoot YYY.

Even then, I would have no on in mind. I would rather take the situation in my own hands like I've done previously instead of forcing A to shoot B and vice versa.

 

[Chuckie]

@Rockin: Ok, I'm not too sure on those two either.

@Nich: Ok, have you read up and how much more info do you think we need before we start shooting?

@All: We agree that we should both force someone to shoot as well as agree on who should be shot, right?

 

[Rockin]

@All: We agree that we should both force someone to shoot as well as agree on who should be shot, right?

Why, exactly?

 

[DtJ S2n]

In other news, there are no deadlines in this game. I have seen most games tend to need that deadline for a crunch. How do people feel about using a self imposed 10 day deadline? Why or why not?

Uh yeah sure that sounds good but if people try and switch targets last like 2 days we should totally not rush and lynch them, because that's definitely how town always end up losing scum and lynching a townie D1. I've been told that playing with a sense of urgency is a good thing, and also I'll be honest I don't wanna play some massive snooze game with 20 day long day phases.

Mentos shoots Sold or vice versa is a good option imo.

So mean! Oh, and yeah I agree with deciding shooter and the target.

I don't understand why Mentos or Sold2 shoot or be shot. None of them has done anything scummy. Mind elaborating?

Basically the logic is that neither of us have done anything scummy, other than we haven't done anything townie. Scum can discuss mechanics, it's easy.

If there's someone they feel is scummy, I'm sure they would either pressure for more information

Also I'll use the excuse that I'm basically in this phase. Still waiting for Swiss to get to my question because that obviously determines where I'll look from there.

 

[Chuckie]

@Rockin: the way wii see it is that by picking 2 players (1 to shoot and 1 to be shot) we can effectively double our efficiency in finding scum. Rather than have people who seem rather townie shoot, I'd rather have a semi-clear on questionable players such as inactives do the shooting.

The only downside is that we're doubly likely to out important town power roles that can't shoot, but even then if they claim they can't shoot our cops could investigate them. So wii think picking our two biggest scum picks and having them fight to the death is a good way to go about things.

 

[KevinM]

Probably would shoot Nick to be honest.

 

[Omni]

most important thing is
if we get mafia killer to shoot
scum can't execute a tri-kill

and if we target the goon or the GF to shoot
well, that'll get sticky

 

[Tandora]

Aren't the bolded parts contradictory here?

Train of thought don't have to be smart. =/

Chibo/Rockin/Nich/Tan/Kevin who would you have shoot atm?

Why this particular list, Chuckie? Why not just ask town as a whole? And isn't the fake voting system supposed to cover this?

@All: We agree that we should both force someone to shoot as well as agree on who should be shot, right?

I'm willing to be shooter.

Something to consider is instead of faux voting who to shoot, we could faux vote who GETS to shoot. I mean, the basic premise of this version is more like Popcorn, right? Maybe we should use a Popcorn mentality?

 

[Chuckie]

Why this particular list, Chuckie? Why not just ask town as a whole? And isn't the fake voting system supposed to cover this?

This was a combination of people online at the time and people I wasn't sure of where they stood but wanted to hear opinions from.

Something to consider is instead of faux voting who to shoot, we could faux vote who GETS to shoot. I mean, the basic premise of this version is more like Popcorn, right? Maybe we should use a Popcorn mentality?

I believe we should agree on both as a group. Also would you care to answer our question?

 

[Chuckie]

Swiss give us an analysis of Kevin's play so far. It should be easy as his posts are short and to the point.

 

[Swiss]

Because you're acting scummy.

At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates. I want to watch you for a bit longer to see if this is just RVS silliness or not.

Also, there are a few other things you tend to do as town (and I am not referring to your obvious meta) that you haven't done yet. Gonna give you time to see if you do it.

All this, of course, is assuming he doesn't have to replace out. >_<

Oh I'm not replacing out. Don't worry about that.

So, if I were to tell you that I make jokes about being scum regardless of my alignment, your entire reasoning for calling me scummy falls apart? It rests entirely on my being arrogant enough to think town wouldn't lynch me. Which is true. But still.

Assume I would never have done those 'town tells' - is this scummy? What were the town tells?

Swiss is playing needlessly aggressive. I don't like it, but it's not that scummy. What is awkward is his reasoning for not shooting Kat (stemming from his joke on Skype). His reasoning seems kind of obvious like it's a joke, but there are a million other ways he could play it off, and I don't like it. It's just a giant case of wifom.

I would like to either see him be the one to shoot someone today, or if not then him be the one that is shot today.

Do you agree this is an easy way for you to avoid having to shoot, quickly making sure that other players have to bear the burden. Do you agree that this is an ideal situation for scum?

Wrt the joke, clearly, as it was a joke - do you think the purpose of the joke was to have an awkward explanation? Question whether I am intelligent enough to come up with a legit excuse such as "the Kat shooting was a joke" or even not mention it. Can this then be construed as a scum tell for me, why is an inability to shoot scummy in itself?


dislike #85 line two.

Omni is town.

Tan #127 - You're scum. I want to shoot you. Why shouldn't I quickshoot you?

Bilbobaggins is FF, yes? And who?

Skipping Zen's questions.

Sold is town.

This is a complete aside but Swiss I feel as if you think not being able to be read as town or scum = good play. But in reality you're useless currently as town and doing nothing otherwise.

Because I was V/LA you ****.

But bombs can claim now. If a fourth claims we get Chibo or Tan to shoot them.

Win?

K.

Oh wait Zen is town. You'll need to re-ask me those Q's because I skipped them.

I promise I'm not the scum godfather.

Problem, WIFOM?






This content is majorly insufficient but suck my ****. When Tan gets online I'll read scum into what she does and start a wagon on her.

 

[Chuckie]

Bilbo is Frozen/Riddle hydra. I don't think Frozen has posted on the hydra yet, or at least I can't remember him doing so.

Did you figure out we're town yet?

And why should bombs claim? I don't see how that would work?