Bad Idea Mafia Vol. 3 - Ovah!?

[Swiss]

If three bombs claim, three confirmed townies. There's a finite, known number of bombs yes? We'll never lynch them and scum will have to NK them. Saving our cops for a longer time.

It was an idea someone mentioned and I haven't run the maths yet.

Yeah, you can be town, Vanz was gettin' mad. U mad bro?

 

[Chuckie]

Well according to the OP there are only 2 bombs.

I haven't double checked the numbers but off the top of my head, if bombs claim and we mishoot a vanilla/cop today... (13 minus 2) that basically puts us at LYLO on Day 2 (11 players), because on Day 3 there would be 9 players alive, so the assassin quickshooting would take out a bomb + a townie + nightkill... means town is endgamed.

So yeah, only having two shots sounds like a bad idea, especially because we'd only have two clears... right? Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

And ffs I am Vanz, Kat's posts are the reaaallly long ones with pictures. Mine are all the others.

 

[Chuckie]

So yeah, only having two shots sounds like a bad idea

Omg! This reminds me one of my favourite DGames quotes:

Townie: Wtf Xonar why would you shoot as a bomb??
Xonar: Because this is Bad Idea Mafia, and shooting as a bomb is a bad idea.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Prodding mentosman

 

[Swiss]

I knew you were Vanz ._.

 

[mentosman8]

Blech, work's been crazy the past few days and I've been really drained, now that I finally got an easy day time to get posting. Real post coming, but I think I'm going to re-read the whole game instead of just getting caught up :D

 

[mentosman8]

@All: We agree that we should both force someone to shoot as well as agree on who should be shot, right?

No. 4 vs 2 chance of outing a bomb or cop if we force someone to shoot or claim instead of mafia, and that hurts town massively in this setup. If we let people shoot of their own fruition, only townies will shoot and scum will have to find out the rest themselves. Didn't like the idea last BIM, don't like it this time.

If three bombs claim, three confirmed townies. There's a finite, known number of bombs yes? We'll never lynch them and scum will have to NK them. Saving our cops for a longer time.

It was an idea someone mentioned and I haven't run the maths yet.

Yeah, you can be town, Vanz was gettin' mad. U mad bro?

Once again, no. That's just narrowing down nilla townies to scum, and that's even worse in BIM by a longshot than it is in regular mafia. Not to mention putting a big "shoot me for triple kill" sign on both bombs. It was suggested(done maybe? Can't remember) in the first BIM, and didn't work out for town at all.

Well, this post really does nothing to assuage the arguments against me that I've talked mostly about mechanics, but quite frankly most of the conversation that isn't about mechanics has been stuff like playstyle and such which I really don't feel like dealing with.

I am starting to get some reads on people despite the slow pace of the game, which is good. As per usual, mostly getting some town leanings on a couple people and scum should flow once I get a more confident handle on those players.

Want to hear from FF, mostly because Riddle has been one of the iffier players to me so far, and I want to hear from his other head to try to determine why that is.

Sorry again for my inactivity the past few days, I'll try to make sure to get myself here even when I'm not feeling fully up to mafia to prevent it from happening again.

 

[Chuckie]

No. 4 vs 2 chance of outing a bomb or cop if we force someone to shoot or claim instead of mafia, and that hurts town massively in this setup. If we let people shoot of their own fruition, only townies will shoot and scum will have to find out the rest themselves. Didn't like the idea last BIM, don't like it this time.

What if we made a pool of players from which someone should shoot?

I.e. we want Swiss to die, and someone out of Chuckie/mentos/etc/etc should shoot them?

Dunno really, seems a bit complex.

I still think making questionable people shoot just seems like a good route do go down. Maybe if people feel they are under heavy scrutiny and they can shoot then they should.

And people need to step up the activity majorly.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Once again, no. That's just narrowing down nilla townies to scum, and that's even worse in BIM by a longshot than it is in regular mafia. Not to mention putting a big "shoot me for triple kill" sign on both bombs. It was suggested(done maybe? Can't remember) in the first BIM, and didn't work out for town at all.

I don't like this at all, mentos. Although your partially right (the bombs claiming DID help scum narrow the VT's down), you're wrong in implying that's what sunk town that game. What killed town was back to back to back quickshots. D1 and D3 were about 5 seconds long, and D2 was ended prematurely. If KevinM had allowed the scumhunting to play out, Ronike likely would have nailed Tomscum, and Pythagscum (he fakeclaimed bomb) would have been outed when Jungle-bomb finally claimed. You either have a really bad memory, or you're manipulating town on this, and I don't like it at all.

 

[Xivii]

@Swiss: #108. Though I don't really care about them anymore. I mainly want to know what your reasoning was for why bombs shouldn't crumb/claim.

Chuckie answered that, but what was your reasoning?


@Tan: It seems to me like you're putting Chuckie as town in either situation. You felt that town chuckie would fully offer his hands out (not being cautious). But now you're reasoning that town chuckie would be cautious.

 

[Xivii]

I agree with Chuckie as using shooting as a double lynch type of thing. It does increase the chance of outing cops or bombs, but it also increases the chance of catching scum. And that's why we choose scummy people to make the shot and not just some random person. It takes away that scummy player who could potentially be a misshot as being the goon or godfather or does in fact out them as scum.

 

[Rockin]

Eh. I still dislike it greatly. I think there was more then one attempt of trying to cheat the system, only for it to backfire. I really think people should just do their own thing.

@Mod - I am going to be V/LA due to me going to a convention in the VA/MD area. I'll be back on Feb 20th.

 

[Omni]

I don't like this at all, mentos. Although your partially right (the bombs claiming DID help scum narrow the VT's down), you're wrong in implying that's what sunk town that game. What killed town was back to back to back quickshots. D1 and D3 were about 5 seconds long, and D2 was ended prematurely. If KevinM had allowed the scumhunting to play out, Ronike likely would have nailed Tomscum, and Pythagscum (he fakeclaimed bomb) would have been outed when Jungle-bomb finally claimed. You either have a really bad memory, or you're manipulating town on this, and I don't like it at all.

If we're talking the first BIM then
Mentos was right that we did a "quad kill"
killing the night before (1)
shooting a claimed bomb (2, 3)
killing the following night (4)

anyway, i dont think that really matters
and i don't think mentos was attempting to manipulate town
is that what you really get from his post, nich

 

[Tandora]

Chibo/Rockin/Nich/Tan/Kevin who would you have shoot atm?

My top three picks are Rockin, Nich, and Bilbo.

I feel these three players have fairly consistently had no content, no stances, or simply advice posts without real scum hunting. Of those three, I would choose Bilbo first because a) hydra and b) his attitude about the Swiss "wagon". Felt too much like scum CYA.

@Tan: It seems to me like you're putting Chuckie as town in either situation. You felt that town chuckie would fully offer his hands out (not being cautious). But now you're reasoning that town chuckie would be cautious.

I think you're right. I had pretty much decided Chuckie was town and am trying to justify it. I hope I'm right.

I totally, completely volunteer to be shooter. PLEASE LET ME BE SHOOTER. Here's my logic. I have stated before I am willing to shoot someone, so we don't have to worry about accidentally revealing a town PR for shooting. If I am wrong on the target (either by my choice or town's majority), then obvious investigation from a cop will clear me. If I'm right, then we can not worry about me until D3 when my shooting can be used again. ^_^

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo/Rockin/Nich/Tan/Kevin who would you have shoot atm?

I've already mentioned this... Swiss

 

[Swiss]

@Swiss: #108. Though I don't really care about them anymore. I mainly want to know what your reasoning was for why bombs shouldn't crumb/claim.

Chuckie answered that, but what was your reasoning?

BIM 1 reasoning. Scum knowing who the bombs are is dumb.

Then you went and said some shizzle about bombs claiming, which could have been decent depending on the maths. Which it isn't. Sozzles.

Tan - you ignored me. Why? Do you think I will unfairly tunnel you?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ronike has requested replacement. Contacting Macman or Kuz

 

[Xivii]

Swiss that doesn't show me your reasoning at all.

Tan, I'm pretty sure one can shoot on respective days. 24 hours means 24 irl hours I think.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman replaces Ronike. Thanks a lot!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Prodding Bilbo Baggins

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Note: I'm going to be V/LA over the weekend - I will be at a tournament.

A deadline has been set to the last minute of Monday the 21th. Consider this a deadline extension because this game has started a week ago already.

 

[Omni]

k i want to shoot Riddle/FF now

 

[KevinM]

Nice we got ourselves a yedi?!

 

[DtJ S2n]

/replacing requestment

I'm just going to be inevitably busy before this game is over, I HAVE to get a job soon and I have to cook and clean, etc. Basically I have to real life, won't know if I have enough time to play mafia anymore until I have everything sorted out. Sorry y'all.

omg is kuzi replacing me again? What a champ

I'll leave to him specifically that I think Tandora and Kevim are awesome, and that Chuckie make me really uneasy. Other opinions should come to you naturally or I don't feel strong enough about to mention.

And yes I'm trying to push a Kuzi x Tandora ship! So much red love!

 

[Swiss]

Itching to shoot Tan

 

[Chuckie]

@S2: Before you go can you say why? It'd probably be a big help.

Fine with the slots that haven't really done anything notable going i.e. mentos/sold/rockin/nich/riddle/others I might be forgetting.

@Swiss are you fine with Tanny shooting? Why or why not?

 

[Tandora]

BIM 1 reasoning. Scum knowing who the bombs are is dumb.

Then you went and said some shizzle about bombs claiming, which could have been decent depending on the maths. Which it isn't. Sozzles.

Tan - you ignored me. Why? Do you think I will unfairly tunnel you?

Do Scum know? I thought that was just flavor on why they were called bombs.

Also, where did I ignore you?

Swiss that doesn't show me your reasoning at all.

Tan, I'm pretty sure one can shoot on respective days. 24 hours means 24 irl hours I think.

I read it as 24 hour game days.

/replacing requestment

I'm just going to be inevitably busy before this game is over, I HAVE to get a job soon and I have to cook and clean, etc. Basically I have to real life, won't know if I have enough time to play mafia anymore until I have everything sorted out. Sorry y'all.

omg is kuzi replacing me again? What a champ

I'll leave to him specifically that I think Tandora and Kevim are awesome, and that Chuckie make me really uneasy. Other opinions should come to you naturally or I don't feel strong enough about to mention.

And yes I'm trying to push a Kuzi x Tandora ship! So much red love!

Lol, yay! It will be nice to have someone who knows my style. And other than Mayling, I think Kuz can read me the best. <3

Also, we're already SWF husbando and waifu.

Good luck, S2!

Itching to shoot Tan

Sigh. Why? Seriously, if you want to shoot me, I'm fine with that for pretty much the same reasons I'm fine being the shooter. Clearing you would be nice way to get some of that Swiss is always scum wifom out of the way.

Also, if Kuz comes in and says I'm town would you believe him or say we're scum partners? Keep in mind Kuz has lovers masoned and scum team played with me and we talked ALOT during both those games, so he knows my play really well.

 

[Chuckie]

@S2: No response means we'll take your response as "Chuckie said we're being useless." Either that or it's just our scary eyes

*blows bubbles*

 

[Omni]

great, idk why i set myself for this
inactivty + replcements = makes mafia games suck ***
already greatly annoyed
anyway
i like Tan not shooting
i think i want Chibo to shoot or maybe die
and maybe Swiss, too
just cuz im curious

 

[Rockin]

My top three picks are Rockin, Nich, and Bilbo.

I feel these three players have fairly consistently had no content, no stances, or simply advice posts without real scum hunting. Of those three, I would choose Bilbo first because a) hydra and b) his attitude about the Swiss "wagon". Felt too much like scum CYA.

Well if you feel I'm not doing much of a good job scum hunting, why don't you just...throw a bone at me or something. >>


Not once have I seen you prod me to scum hunt (infact, about the only person that did is Omni)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so whats up

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Apologies for massive inactivity and not posting on hydra, RL johns n ****. I don't expect any of you to care.

Having bombs mass claim is dumb. Not as dumb as it is in my BIM:R setup, but still it's dumb. Bombs can certainly claim if they're on the chopping block though. It isn't THAT big of a threat for scum to know if one person is a bomb, however playing the massclaim game can be dangerous.

Chuckie's "shooter pools" or shooter group idea or whatever is dumb and way overcomplicating things. We should have the scummiest person who isn't the one being shot, shoot and we should have a different shooter every day ideally, to maximize the chance that the assassin gets stuck with a 24 hour cooldown before potential lylo, since we want to limit the scum's ability to quickshoot us to death.

For those of you who didn't read the rules or roles, anyone who daykills gets a 24 hour (IRL) cooldown on their daykill ability from the start of the next day. You can't shoot again for (24 hours)x(# of daykills performed in the game) after the start of each game day. So yeah, pretty important mechanic so don't be dumb and not understand how it ****ing works.

Pretty down with having Swiss be our shooter D1. Not really sure who I want shot though. Haven't had a chance to consult with Riddle at all unfortunately. I'm gonna try to go through this game again tomorrow and find some scum.

 

[Swiss]

FF, go into detail as to why you think I should be the shooter. Is it because of my WIFOM joke in my first post? If so, talk about this. If not, explain why you want me to be the shooter.

I will happily shoot someone [scummy], I just want to see some sort of pseudo reasoning before town decide on their baseless path.

Can't guarantee I won't accidentally shoot Tan instead of the 'lynch' target by the way. Is this an issue FF, or would I get my just desserts next game day?

 

[Chuckie]

Not once have I seen you prod me to scum hunt (infact, about the only person that did is Omni)

*clears throat*

Chuckie's "shooter pools" or shooter group idea or whatever is dumb and way overcomplicating things. We should have the scummiest person who isn't the one being shot, shoot and we should have a different shooter every day ideally, to maximize the chance that the assassin gets stuck with a 24 hour cooldown before potential lylo, since we want to limit the scum's ability to quickshoot us to death.

What if the scummiest person who isn't getting shot claims they can't shoot?

Sick of discussing these mechanics tbh.

@Swiss

Will you ever do anything pro-town?

Will you ever respond to my questions?

 

[Swiss]

By your narrow definition? I don't know.

Quote/reference them. If they're dumb I'll skip them.

 

[Chuckie]

#226, just scroll up bro

 

[Swiss]

Oh yeah I skipped that.

@Swiss are you fine with Tanny shooting? Why or why not?

Not really. That means she'd still be alive.

I want to hear Tan respond to me instead of just the "where" or "when" that she spouts out delaying. Tan, go in depth about what you feel about Omni and FF this game.

Tan, do you think you are skimming?

Do Scum know? I thought that was just flavor on why they were called bombs.

Scum would know if they claimed. Which was the whole point. Did you misunderstand this or skim?

Sigh. Why? Seriously, if you want to shoot me, I'm fine with that for pretty much the same reasons I'm fine being the shooter. Clearing you would be nice way to get some of that Swiss is always scum wifom out of the way.

Cool, well I'll be shooting you later toDay then. Unless you suddenly convince me you're town (which I doubt).

I'd like to hear more on this. Glossing over the incorrect use of WIFOM, do you think I have more than a 3/13 chance of being scum? If not, why would shooting me be more useful than any other random shot?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Contacting kuz to replace Sold2

 

[~ Gheb ~]

th3kuzinator replaces Sold2.

 

[Tandora]

i like Tan not shooting

Why?

Well if you feel I'm not doing much of a good job scum hunting, why don't you just...throw a bone at me or something. >>


Not once have I seen you prod me to scum hunt (infact, about the only person that did is Omni)

Ok, who would you shoot? Why?

Can't guarantee I won't accidentally shoot Tan instead of the 'lynch' target by the way. Is this an issue FF, or would I get my just desserts next game day?

That's fine with me, but how would you deal with the next shooter to shoot who he wants?

I want to hear Tan respond to me instead of just the "where" or "when" that she spouts out delaying. Tan, go in depth about what you feel about Omni and FF this game.

Tan, do you think you are skimming?

I've never played with Omni before, so no preconceptions. I feel his playstyle is town because he's giving opinions about people and pursuing his own path rather than just follow or fold to what other people want.

FF on the other hand seems to be buddying you and his play style is cautious without being helpful. His reaction to people agreeing we needed to look into you felt like a scum move. If he's scum, then he knows whether you're town or not and thus not jumping on a wagon but throwing suspicion so early without a flip to derail the wagon with little more than his gut feeling just didn't sit right with me.

My last reread through was pretty thorough, but overall I have been skimming because I've been very busy with Valentines and a funeral.

Scum would know if they claimed. Which was the whole point. Did you misunderstand this or skim?

I misunderstood. I thought you meant scum knew who the bombs were anyway because I thought of the flavor that said "scum strapped bombs on them while they slept".

Cool, well I'll be shooting you later toDay then. Unless you suddenly convince me you're town (which I doubt).

I'd like to hear more on this. Glossing over the incorrect use of WIFOM, do you think I have more than a 3/13 chance of being scum? If not, why would shooting me be more useful than any other random shot?

Once again, if Kuz came in and said I was town, would you believe him? Would it make you more suspicious of him? The reason I mention Kuz is, I feel it took Pichu saying I was town for you to reduce your suspicion of me as scum in NBC.

What do you need for me to prove I'm town?

Think about it. If I shoot someone, it goes from a 3/13 chance of me being scum to 1/7 chance of me being scum. I should be the investigation target that night for my actions. More likely than not, the assassin is gonna want to hang back a bit from shooting to help get an alpha strike in as previously mentioned for a fast triple kill.

Throwing myself out and announcing I want to shoot causes problems for me if I cannot shoot. Shooting makes me more town if I shoot wisely.

Clearly you're not in my top three picks for shooting, because you weren't in my list. I already said my top choice was BB.

And you shooting me would be good because it would show I'm town and people can look at what I've said and either clear you or reveal assassin. It's win-win.