Bad Idea Mafia Vol. 3 - Ovah!?

[vanderzant]

I hate to say it, but Swiss is right.

After being in the last two installments, what type of mafia would actually draw attention to himself and suggest that the other bombs claim, knowing that doing so would be anti-town. Thats what went through my head anyway.

A mafia shooter who knows he's going to be on the chopping block toDay. And Nich doesn't believe it's anti-town still. /wifom

@Nich: If we end up killing mafia toDay (i.e. we don't lose) then we're in a way better position tomorrow if the bomb is not outed.

 

[Chuckie]

^ my mistake

A mafia shooter who knows he's going to be on the chopping block toDay. And Nich doesn't believe it's anti-town still. /wifom

@Nich: If we end up killing mafia toDay (i.e. we don't lose) then we're in a way better position tomorrow if the bomb is not outed.

 

[CT Chia]

Still working on catching up through all of my games coming back from 4 days of Pound, this one is next

to ease my read through, can someone give me a short synopsis of major stuff that happened? Like perhaps why Bilbo was shot or if that was just Kevin off on his own stuff

 

[Xivii]

Kuz don't forget to answer me.

 

[Tandora]

Still working on catching up through all of my games coming back from 4 days of Pound, this one is next

to ease my read through, can someone give me a short synopsis of major stuff that happened? Like perhaps why Bilbo was shot or if that was just Kevin off on his own stuff

Chibo, this whole game is only 8 pages at 40ppp. Don't you think you're being a little lazy on asking what's going on?

Assuming your request is legit - Kevin said "I do what I want" and shoot Bilbo. Partly because FF wasn't posting on the BB account and frankly their play was lackluster at best.

 

[Chuckie]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (2 members and 0 guests) Chuckie, Sold2

Soldie checking in on his scum mates mirtie?

This game is annoying.

Mac still hasn't posted which is lame.

Omni, I'm liking less abut am still crazy unsure of because he's not the inactive police I'm used to from town omni. He doesn't have any fire in his scum hunting. It's hard to get a read and tell if he really is bored or is scum and doesn't need to dip his feet in the water anymore. @Omni: I don't get why you're so set on Chibo atm. The only notable "scummy" thing he did was his interaction with Swiss, but this doesn't imo warrant enough to put him as a clear play for toDay. He hasn't been worse in terms of inactivity then our other group of lurkers (i.e. Ronike/mac ; Sold/Kuz ; mentos ; nich ; even Swiss). Why him specifically? You're making me and Kat uncomfortable basically.

Wrt to Nich his push to get the bomb to claim really reeks to me. It seems like a smart thing to do if you look at it mathematically, because it's LYLO toDay... so why not get an extra clear? Yet if we can shoot scum today without outing our power roles then we will be in a better place tomorrow then we would have otherwise. And since a bomb kill becomes worse as we have less people, not outing the bomb/cop is important if we're going to have a chance in endgame.

Anyway, I want to point out that one more misshot like that and we've lost. (8 people left, add in the assassin shot, that's all folks.) I'm willing to be the shooter today, as I recognize that I am genuinely scummy (inactivity has been a scumtell for me, and my reasons are basically RL excuses, so...). My best reason why is game mechanics. If I'm assassin, it's an extra lynch basically (plus the could cop investigate me if necessary.) If I'm town, of course it's the right choice.

Anyway, the remaining bomb should claim now. It's no big deal if the assassin shoots it, as there's an even number of players left, and we could really use the clear.

Additionally. I REALLY hate how quickly Nich acknowledges his scumminess and then offers to shoot toDay. And coincidentally that there is no harm in bombs claiming. Now Kuz said that mafia wouldn't draw attention to themselves by claiming something anti-town, but considering Nich was a suspect of Kevin yesterDay (our only confirmed townie atm) and considering how much he's lurked, he knows he's going to be one of the major plays for toDay, so why not try and out the bomb to give scum that valuable info before biting the dust?

And @Zen: something that's bugging Kat is that you originally suggested yesterDay that bombs claiming would be beneficial, but toDay you straight away move to say that they shouldn't. What made you think it was a good idea in the first place, and why not in a clear LYLO situation?

That's where I'm at right now.

 

[Omni]

im actually really pissed still
about Kevin's stunt resetting the game
and it's hard to be activity police
without the ability to vote

it's page 8 into the game and Chibo
hasnt said anything of importance all game
same applies to Mac

everyone is simply camping and not posting

unless you give me the go to shoot inactives again i will
but i have a good feeling that even a good majority
of town is just being super inactive

 

[Nicholas1024]

Omni's practically the only one I trust as town right now, and even that's a gut read. :/

@Chibo
Check. As scum I'd obviously be offering to shoot (something I think I'm quite likely to be taken up on), as the assassin totally wants to lose the ability to lylo quickshot. </sarcasm> And the other two scum can't shoot...

Anyway, I still think the bomb should claim as it's effectively lylo, and what's the use of a better position tomorrow if we've lost by the time we get to there? Tell me, do you have any idea who's scum (aside from the obvious Nick-scum retort?)

@Omni
I'mma gonna buddy up to you a little. Any idea who I should shoot?

 

[Omni]

dont shoot anyone, nich
id rather have people who are coasting
or people who seem more scummy
do the shooting

but seriously if the activity doesnt pick up
then scum can easily blend in
cuz right now im having a very hard time
scumhunting

 

[Chuckie]

@Chibo
Check. As scum I'd obviously be offering to shoot (something I think I'm quite likely to be taken up on), as the assassin totally wants to lose the ability to lylo quickshot. </sarcasm> And the other two scum can't shoot...

Your WIFOM argument is awful.

And I only want the bomb to claim if we decide that they should shoot/be shot, which is obvious anyway. Otherwise we don't need that clear. It's not helping us.

@Omni: do you not think that Nich adopting the "shoot all quickshooters plan" and hiding behind Swiss, then dropping it when people didn't like it and playing it safe, calling it an "empty threat", then lurking yesterday, then offering to shoot straight up toDay is scummy?

*blows bubbles*

 

[Xivii]

@Chuckie: As I said yesterday, that was just my initial thought coming into the game, but I changed my mind because I wasn't really taking the assassin quickshoot into account. And I don't see how claiming today would be different than yesterday.

 

[Omni]

no, Chuckie
seems null; especially coming from Nich
why does this come off as scummy to you

 

[Tandora]

@Kuz, how many games you in right now?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Enough to keep me busy from this thread.

Don't fret, here I am. Answering people shortly

 

[Tandora]

lmao. leave it Kev
to **** up another BIM
anyway we're back at square one
with one cop investigation
scum killed Kev to reset the game

having scummy players shoot
was so that we can prevent this

I'll do maths later. but as of now
I got nuthin new

I don't like this post the more I look at it. It's way too defeatist to be helpful. Omni, why are you convinced there is no information to be gleaned from YesterDay's posts? Why are you so certain cop got screwed with KevM dying?

Let's say we agree to let bomb claim. 6 town vs 3 mafia.
Cop knows he's town, bomb won't get shoot today or NK tonight since why would mafia lose that extra kill?

If cop claims today with a read from last night, another townie would have four clears (himself, bomb, cop, and investigation). That leaves two townies and three mafia to choose from. Odds are in favor of shooting scum at that point.

If we shoot a townie today, townie dies today, 4 town vs 3 mafia. Cop can claim, bomb can claim, hopefully cop will have at least one read. Final townie can shoot scum?

Seems better to me to wait to for claims tomorrow.

In the meantime: FAUX VOTE :KUZ

 

[Omni]

I don't like this post the more I look at it. It's way too defeatist to be helpful. Omni, why are you convinced there is no information to be gleaned from YesterDay's posts? Why are you so certain cop got screwed with KevM dying?

it isn't helpful more so stating the obvious
and my obvious frustration with kevin's play

you're misinterpreting. on purpose, Tandora?
i never said nor implied there is no information to be gleaned from
being back at square one is implying that with kevin's death
we're starting toDay exactly where we left off yesterDay

except we get nothing based on rockin/biblo flipping
due to just being retardedly inactive and not making connections
and kevin dying removes the aspect of having a semi-cleared townie

second, where did i say cop got screwed with Kev dying?
what are you reading, tandora? please be clear and concise
because i can't tell if you're legitly misinterpreting
or purposely twisting to cast a shadow of a doubt
or just flat out skimming and not grasping the entire concept

 

[th3kuzinator]

Dislike how after Sold pointed his finger at us for no apparent reason Kuz just stuck to it without giving reasoning. I don't know why if you're replacing into a town slot on Day 1 you would adopt the reads of who you replaced, especially when they didn't have any reasoning either.

Kuz I want an explanation and content or you can die.

Clarify the bold. Are you saying I replaced into a town slot, but the previous player in this spot had no reasoning for accusing you? If so, why are you so sure I am a town slot?

Kuz, you said that Tandora would reveal herself as scum soon enough if she was scum. Does that mean you currrntly have a null read or town read?

Currently Null leaning scum. It was leaning town before, but some of her posts toDay remind me of scumTando.

kuz, do you mind chibo shooting or being shot
and if we have him shoot
who would u like him to shoot
and why

He has made absolutely no impression on me thus far, meaning hes not obvtown or obvscum. Idc about him being shot. As for him shooting, I would say either Tando or Swiss because I feel that Tando is looking scummeh and I can never read Swiss for balls (plus I feel the two have a relationship that would point to the other's alignment when one flipped).

Kuz: The same kind that would make that kind of comment as town. Quite frankly that's a terrible reason to find someone as townie. Yeah, bomb claiming is a terrible idea, but no townie OR scum actually thinking things through would argue they should do that.

Yeah, but scum would think things through more carefully before posting, no?



Chuckie's push on Nich is dumb.

Omni and Zen are town.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Omni]

@Zen:

i am town, dude, relax
however you know how i work with activity
i'm an activity ***** because i can't scumhunt when people
are sitting on their thumbs
most importantly
i don't like committing to finding scum when
a small amount of the cast haven't even spoken

personally, i hate when people assume to have found someone scummy
when there are players like Mac and Chibo who are worse
because they haven't even given enough substance to make a judgment call
i also find it opportunist of them to charge the active, talkative players (Nich, Swiss)
and blatantly ignore that scum could be sitting back enjoying the entertainment

as scum, it is suuuuuuuuuch an easy cop out to blend in
with townies who are coasting the day away
especially if there is more than one townie doing so

 

[Omni]

i like you Kuz.

*interested in some of the answers to the questions you posed to others above*

 

[CT Chia]

/Reaplce out I just don't wanna keep hurting this game
If no replacements can be found lemme know and I'll play again but it's better like this

 

[Xivii]

@Zen:

i am town, dude, relax
however you know how i work with activity
i'm an activity ***** because i can't scumhunt when people
are sitting on their thumbs
most importantly
i don't like committing to finding scum when
a small amount of the cast haven't even spoken

personally, i hate when people assume to have found someone scummy
when there are players like Mac and Chibo who are worse
because they haven't even given enough substance to make a judgment call
i also find it opportunist of them to charge the active, talkative players (Nich, Swiss)
and blatantly ignore that scum could be sitting back enjoying the entertainment

as scum, it is suuuuuuuuuch an easy cop out to blend in
with townies who are coasting the day away
especially if there is more than one townie doing so

What the heck are you responding to? I'm not sure what you're explaining yourself to me for. Is this supposed to be at Chuckie??

@Kuz: Which of her post seem scum to you? And what was making you lean town toward her before? I'm thinking she is town because of how offering she was in being the shooter d1. Do you think she would do this as scum? If so what differentiates a move like this from Nich's play?

 

[Omni]

^y up

 

[Tandora]

it isn't helpful more so stating the obvious
and my obvious frustration with kevin's play

And obvious statements are how scum blend in by appearing helpful when they aren't.

[/quote]
you're misinterpreting. on purpose, Tandora?
i never said nor implied there is no information to be gleaned from
being back at square one is implying that with kevin's death
we're starting toDay exactly where we left off yesterDay[/quote]
This whole paragraph is a contradiction. If you're back at square one, it means you have no information. Bolded for emphasis

[/quote]
except we get nothing based on rockin/biblo flipping
due to just being retardedly inactive and not making connections
and kevin dying removes the aspect of having a semi-cleared townie[/quote]
More flip flopping.

[/quote]
second, where did i say cop got screwed with Kev dying?
what are you reading, tandora? please be clear and concise
because i can't tell if you're legitly misinterpreting
or purposely twisting to cast a shadow of a doubt
or just flat out skimming and not grasping the entire concept[/QUOTE]

Being a square one implies you think the cop got screwed by trying to investigate Kev. Especially since several of us were saying yesterday whoever shoots should be investigated.

Also, I love the irony of you telling me to be clear and concise when you're posting in a style that has been described as hard to read.

I want more posts from Swiss and Kuz!

Also, Chibo why are you replacing out? Details! You got IRL johns, you busy with other games, you think you're a bad player? More info please!

 

[Omni]

very close to shooting Tan
on iPhone can't respond
but that was a really horrible response

your implications of what I meant
are very farfetched

 

[Omni]

very close to shooting Tan
on iPhone can't respond
but that was a really horrible response

your implications of what I meant
are very farfetched

 

[Chuckie]

Clarify the bold. Are you saying I replaced into a town slot, but the previous player in this spot had no reasoning for accusing you? If so, why are you so sure I am a town slot?

Wtf how is my point not clear?

"if you're replacing into a town slot on Day 1 (why would you) adopt the reads of who you replaced"

It means exactly what it says. I don't think that townies are likely to pick up the reads of who you replaced, esp on Day 1. Sold said he had a scummy vibe on us, and you said you thought you could see what he meant, but didn't give reasoning. It's like you just decided that we would be a null/scummy read because the guy you replaced thought so. And I don't think that stems from a town mindset.

Chuckie's push on Nich is dumb.

Omni and Zen are town.

Did I miss anything?

Why is the puush dumb and why are you not giving scum reads?

personally, i hate when people assume to have found someone scummy
when there are players like Mac and Chibo who are worse
because they haven't even given enough substance to make a judgment call

very close to shooting Tan

@Omni: >.< Honestly don't spew out crap like that if you don't mean it. Don't be a hero please.

@Tan: You are focusing on dumb things. And your numbers are wrong, if we completely miss the assassin toDay it's game over because they can shoot immediately when the day begins.

 

[th3kuzinator]

The problem wasn't you saying I should give my own stances, it was a problem because you thought I was replacing into a town slot in the first place, despite Sold2 not having adequate reasoning to begin with. Why am I replacing into a town slot? Was it Sold's play? Or do you know who all the town players are.

Your push is dumb because Nich is not scum and you should know this already.

@Omni, I agree with you about Tandora. However, not yet. Give it time.

@Kuz: Which of her post seem scum to you? And what was making you lean town toward her before? I'm thinking she is town because of how offering she was in being the shooter d1. Do you think she would do this as scum? If so what differentiates a move like this from Nich's play?

I agree about your D1 point. I did not really remember that incident specifically, but I remember making several mental notes on townTando posts during D1. Most of the stuff from D2 onward, starting from the post that said she was going to be monitoring me and would should me soon if I had not given this game enough activity, don't sit well with me. Considering her D1 play, not enough to get her shot yet. But me no like.

 

[Omni]

@Chuckie:

not deeming her scummy
just
wanna shoot her, lol

this game is on pause until
Mac and Chibo talks
and mentos says more
I've had my fair share of everyone else

 

[Chuckie]

it was a problem because you thought I was replacing into a town slot in the first place,

No.

I didn't say that. Nor did I imply it. You've either read that out of context or you're attempting to twist what I said.

"if you're replacing into a town slot on Day 1 (why would you) adopt the reads of who you replaced"

The key word is "if." The word 'if' is used to establish a hypothesis.

"If Charlie was town, then he wouldn't vote so rashly."

In this example, I'm not saying I know Charlie is not town, but that Charlie has done something I wouldn't expect him to do as town.

This is not hard.

Unless you fail at simple english, I don't think that you actually think we know that you're replacing into a town slot. Why would we claim to know that you're town and in the same post say that you are scummy? Of course, we wouldn't (and didn't) say both, so you should of understood that we were accusing you of being scummy.

...But you didn't acknowledge that and instead said "Why am I replacing into a town slot?"

So Kuz, did you actually believe we claimed to know your alignment to be town while simultaneously calling you scummy?

If you didn't, why are you trying to trying to trap us by taking the words we said out of context?

What information are you hoping to get out of us by asking "How do you know that I am town?"

Additionally why have you twice failed to give reasoning for why "My previous self was suspicious of you and I think I have reason to be as well"

Answer my questions this time, please.

Your push is dumb because Nich is not scum and you should know this already.

Why should I know he's not scum? Again it sounds like you're calling me scum with no reasoning to back it up.

Or you're saying that there is obvious evidence that Nich is town, and I'm missing it. But your reasoning for that is WIFOM (He wouldn't claim that bombs should claim if he was scum! hurr durr!).

And do you just parrot Swiss' reads or am I imagining things?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nix2100 replaces ChiboSempai! Gordito and J have signed up to be replacements as well.

 

[Nix2100]

I just woke up, I probably shouldn't be posting....watch me say something stupid ^_^

Bilbo died =S what a shame....good for me though cause I hate hydras -_- Would of wanted to shoot him all game regardless.

Swiss and Tandy are scum....Swiss has been giving me scum vibes since his first post and I am just that awesome.

Also intrigued by Omni, who says he is being lazy this game but sure is posting a lot >_> Get what he is saying by saying back to square zero though.

Seems to be lots of mis-communications lately..on purpose or not? Probably not, people tend to screw up when it comes to reading. They should multi-task better I think....

Sup? >_>

 

[Tandora]

Nix, do you really think Swiss and I are on the same scum team?

Kuz, do you?

If you shot me and after I flip town, would that clear Swiss? What about vice versa?

 

[Nix2100]

Nix, do you really think Swiss and I are on the same scum team?

Mabeh

If you shot me and after I flip town, would that clear Swiss? What about vice versa?

Nope, I think your scum because Swiss is scum due to this posting you made

At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates. I want to watch you for a bit longer to see if this is just RVS silliness or not.

It bugs me, seems like distancing ^_^ Your also the first one to even mention RVS silliness >_> Seems like a cop out that swiss scum or you could use later.

Now if we shot Swiss and he turned town then I might believe you were town ^_^ Won't work the other way around.

 

[Swiss]

Tan and Nix are both scum.

 

[Swiss]

^ And Macman (Ronike was scum, to be precise).

I think.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Prodding Mentosman and Macman. Mentos receives his second prod - if he doesn't respond within 24 hrs he will be replaced by Gordito.

 

[Nix2100]

Don't be hating Swiss =P just come clean already, make it easier on yourself.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Initially didn't like omni's post of being lazy this game, but that hasn't been teh case at all, so hes pretty town to me.

i thought riddle/ff was scummy when reading D1, so I can understand Kev's choice.

All of chibo's posts are scummy to me.

Def think zen is town. i think tanny's most likely town, or really ballsy scum.

I don't think swiss is scum at all.

If i had to pick a shooter and shootee, itd be chibo/nix and anyone else i didn't mention in this post.

 

[Omni]

dead game is dead

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Mentos didn't reply to the prod. He will be replaced by Gordito.