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Bad Idea Mafia Vol. 3 - Ovah!?

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Surely we can all do the 'votecounts', and not leave it in the hands of one player.

Also, elaborate on why you have your eye on me.
Because you're acting scummy.

At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates. I want to watch you for a bit longer to see if this is just RVS silliness or not.

Also, there are a few other things you tend to do as town (and I am not referring to your obvious meta) that you haven't done yet. Gonna give you time to see if you do it.

All this, of course, is assuming he doesn't have to replace out. >_<
 

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i like proxy voting
because it keeps track of where people's suspicions lie
vote counts are important
for identifying paper trails
Also gives incentive to take strong stances, cuts on fence sitting, etc. I like the false vote system also. I can keep track of it if no one else wants to.

FrozenFlame, since you seem to have the best idea on what's going on here and your analysis on the quickshoot was super agreeable, could you respond to #35? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Dude I'm up for looking suspiciously at Swiss, I'll join you on that Tanny. I dunno what you're talking about exactly but in NBC you seemed like you had info on Swiss, and well... it's Swiss lol. 90% scumrate.

oh boy oh boy!
 

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Chibo you should answer your own question too while you're at it. And make a comment about Swiss' playstyle so far.
Swiss is playing needlessly aggressive. I don't like it, but it's not that scummy. What is awkward is his reasoning for not shooting Kat (stemming from his joke on Skype). His reasoning seems kind of obvious like it's a joke, but there are a million other ways he could play it off, and I don't like it. It's just a giant case of wifom.

I would like to either see him be the one to shoot someone today, or if not then him be the one that is shot today.
 

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@Mentos: Sup, can't recall if we've played games together. Who can you read the best out of this cast?
Yeah, we've played at least a couple together before, FF7 remix and Halo come to mind off the top of my head and I'm pretty sure there's at least one or two more I'm not thinking of. Generally speaking I would say I can read Rockin best, in largest part due to probably having played the most games with him.

ok so
id shoot mentos or tandora
for catching them both lurking just now
lol Kk Omni! Less than 24 hours in and you're calling people out on lurking eh? As much as that level of activity policing is annoying, it's your standard, so meh.

Also gives incentive to take strong stances, cuts on fence sitting, etc. I like the false vote system also. I can keep track of it if no one else wants to.

FrozenFlame, since you seem to have the best idea on what's going on here and your analysis on the quickshoot was super agreeable, could you respond to #35? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Dude I'm up for looking suspiciously at Swiss, I'll join you on that Tanny. I dunno what you're talking about exactly but in NBC you seemed like you had info on Swiss, and well... it's Swiss lol. 90% scumrate.

oh boy oh boy!
Quoted this for the top part, the vote system is kinda a double edged sword IMO. I'll follow it if town decides to, but if we're ever targeting the assassin they would know precisely when it was a risk to keep fighting and not shoot, whereas with discussion there's a lot more unpredictability. Pros and cons to it, so whatever town as a whole decides on we can go with.

That's all I got for now.
 

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At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates. I want to watch you for a bit longer to see if this is just RVS silliness or not.
FYI Tand, he did something like that in Community mafia as well, and he was town there. (It was completely hilarious, by the way. xD)
 

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Tan, I don't have an I'm better then you attitude, I have an I've been in this set-up 2 out of the 2 times now and would trust myself to know the system and will rely on that more then people I don't have faith in.
 

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@ Kat - Why should I trust you to be friends when the last game we played (NBC) you complained you wanted to hold hands and were scum?
Did we? I only posted once in that game.

We don't have to be friends if you don't want to. I just think I can read you better than most here.

@Chuckie: You already know so long as it's not a Zen/Vandy -> MetaKirby FF6 type of friendship >_>. Or NBC...

Also what do you think of Swiss so far?
Ha I expected as much.

Kat tells me cryptic swiss = scum swiss. When he's town he doesn't have to be so cryptic with his posts.

Also his method of asking 5 pointless questions in a row is a poor way to get town out of RVS. He asks lots of pointless questions when he's scum (i.e. halo). I got the impression he didn't really care how or whether town got out of RVS and into serious discussion. He's not following up stuff and I'm sure you noticed this too.

@Nich: Stand by your attitude to quickshooting, or what? I'd like a response to what I said earlier and where you stand.

@mentos/rockin/etc: Yeah halo was a mess, I just don't remember how you guys play at all because we were either in hydras (halo) or I was scum (ff7, bim 2)
 

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Swiss, saying that all players would agree that a quickshooter would be shot the next day and then when the time actually comes to say just kidding is dumb. Especially since someone could simply quickshoot the quickshooter before it was retracted. Plus it just doesn't make sense at all.
Had we agreed, no scum would ever have quickshot, right?

K.



Is it striking anyone else really odd that Swiss not only avoided the super troll, but came out strongest against it?
Odd in what way? An 'odd' playstyle for me would make me town, surely. Talk about this more, por favor.


Because you're acting scummy.

At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates. I want to watch you for a bit longer to see if this is just RVS silliness or not.

Also, there are a few other things you tend to do as town (and I am not referring to your obvious meta) that you haven't done yet. Gonna give you time to see if you do it.

All this, of course, is assuming he doesn't have to replace out. >_<
So, you using a lovely piece of incorrect meta (hey guys, meta on me is only ever right by chance. Unless you're Tan - and this isn't it) devalues the 'legitness' of my questions. How?

What do you want me to do? Tell me and I'll consider it. Then make up an excuse as to why I didn't.




Also gives incentive to take strong stances, cuts on fence sitting, etc. I like the false vote system also. I can keep track of it if no one else wants to.

FrozenFlame, since you seem to have the best idea on what's going on here and your analysis on the quickshoot was super agreeable, could you respond to #35? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Dude I'm up for looking suspiciously at Swiss, I'll join you on that Tanny. I dunno what you're talking about exactly but in NBC you seemed like you had info on Swiss, and well... it's Swiss lol. 90% scumrate.

oh boy oh boy!
Do it then.



Swiss is playing needlessly aggressive. I don't like it, but it's not that scummy. What is awkward is his reasoning for not shooting Kat (stemming from his joke on Skype). His reasoning seems kind of obvious like it's a joke, but there are a million other ways he could play it off, and I don't like it. It's just a giant case of wifom.

I would like to either see him be the one to shoot someone today, or if not then him be the one that is shot today.
OK. I'll come clean.

I didn't shoot Kat because I'm a bomb a cop not a ******.


FYI Tand, he did something like that in Community mafia as well, and he was town there. (It was completely hilarious, by the way. xD)
Staggeringly funny.


Kat tells me cryptic swiss = scum swiss. When he's town he doesn't have to be so cryptic with his posts.

Also his method of asking 5 pointless questions in a row is a poor way to get town out of RVS. He asks lots of pointless questions when he's scum (i.e. halo). I got the impression he didn't really care how or whether town got out of RVS and into serious discussion. He's not following up stuff and I'm sure you noticed this too.
I get wetter as I dry, what am I?

My questions are legit as scum. I didn't follow stuff up becauuuuuuuse my laptop broke and I had unexpected all day job interviews. Pretty pro excuse.



So what do we have here/ Swiss hate through matter and manner. That is all.

U mad?

Nich is town, Mentos is town. Dislike Chuckie, waiting on Kat. Chibo's null (why did I expressly say this?). Ronike's scum, maybe Tan too.
 

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Omni, if the game had just started and you had to shoot someone
aka, who would you shoot without looking at any posts so far in the game
who would it be and why
i asked earlier
what was the point of this question
why did u never follow up
and also
why did you only ask me

Omni, would you really call 24 hours into the game lurking?
ya

Because you're acting scummy.

At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates.
please show me this

I like the false vote system also. I can keep track of it if no one else wants to.
do et
once or twice a page plz

Swiss is playing needlessly aggressive. I don't like it, but it's not that scummy..... I would like to either see him be the one to shoot someone today, or if not then him be the one that is shot today.
u don't find him scummy
but u want him to shoot
aka what we should be trying
to force scum to do

@Chuckie: why are u ok with this

lol Kk Omni! Less than 24 hours in and you're calling people out on lurking eh? As much as that level of activity policing is annoying, it's your standard, so meh.
<3
 

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please show me this
The following two posts made me start keeping an eye on Swiss.
^ I said I would shoot Kat as soon as the game started in a skype chat with some of Dgames, but then I got a scum role bomb role cop role PM so had to find an excuse as to why I wasn't going to shoot him. The guise of pro town actions seemed pretty ace.

You're town, right? Cool.

It works well if my scumbuddies aren't *******.

Someone give me indie.

I'll skip the rest of the question.


So, you using a lovely piece of incorrect meta (hey guys, meta on me is only ever right by chance. Unless you're Tan - and this isn't it) devalues the 'legitness' of my questions. How?

What do you want me to do? Tell me and I'll consider it. Then make up an excuse as to why I didn't.
1) I don't really understand your question here.
2) I'm not gonna make your argument for you. That's stupid.
 

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you misunderstand

At first I thought your questions looked pretty legit, but then you made the "joke" about being scum and your scummates. AFAIK, you only do that WHEN you have scummates.
is this based off previous games with Swiss
or are you taking his joke literally
 

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I disagree with the psuedo vote system.

I will shoot if I think I know better then the town on something.

Bombs better be good players because if you give **** away you're just costing us the game.
Yeah, I don't think the vote system helped much last time. However, it shouldn't be totally ignored. The best I can say for townies is just use their best judgement on the matter...and hopefully have a reason for putting a bullet to someone.

I have trouble believing this :glare:.
Explain why plz?

Here's my question to you guys then. Suppose I immediately, without any forewarning whatsoever, turned around and shot (to pick a random person) Frozenflame. Since you seem to disapprove of shooting the guy that pulls a stunt like that, what do you do in response to that, and to prevent similar idiotic stunts in the future?
move on and then scruntize the shooter after we've seen/cleared some people out. No need to shoot a 50/50 chanced townie.

Omni - Plz tell me

why are you posting like this?
I understand you're lazy
but this is somewhat bad
as I expected a bit more content from ya

This is probably Swiss' first time playing in a BIM field, so it's not too surprising that he may want/agree with a vote system. For the moment though, I have him as null.
 

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the way i am posting
has nothing to do with content
and if u want me to
expound on a subject
just ask
 

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the way i am posting
has nothing to do with content
and if u want me to
expound on a subject
just ask
Okay, I just found that to be a bit different then your usual approch (also, why did you call out Tandora on inactivity, but not me?)
 

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ok so
id shoot mentos or tandora
for catching them both lurking just now
didn't catch you
inactivity =/= lurking
unless you're telling me
that you were purposely lurking
 

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What does everyone define as quickshooting? This is the other side of the Chuckie brain btw and I've just finished up reading :chuckle:

Eye I think it's important that behind every shot there needs to be a buildup of opinion and contribution from all players. Making votes/wagons or declarations as to why/why not player XYZ should be considered kill-fodder is the way to go imo. A vote system is absolutely necessary to replicate this =D In the instance Kev or anyone does decide to shoot someone against a majority consensus, I hope it doesn't come from the middle of nowhere and that his target is discussed and judged by everyone.

We have the ability to daykill for a reason, and that reason is that in this game players are supposed to be able to take matters into their own hands when they feel everyone else is being deceived. We should NOT be playing like the game wasn't designed this way and just pretend it's a normal mafia game with a strange lynching mechanic.
Where has this setup been run outside of swf (just out of curiosity)? I disagree slightly with this quote only because every example I've seen where a player took matters into their own hands was one that was detrimental to the Town. This is simply my observation from the last BIM game.

@BIM2 and mechanics in general: I think Town was lacking a sense of buildup to a lynch because everyone had the capacity to become lone rangers and kill quick, which players did :chuckle: Standard mafia has a sense of "teamwork" because hammers are made through building a team of voters and players must group together in their votes to reach the hammer. It's this structure that BIM is missing and sends Town into a spiral of hysteria (a la BIM part deux) - trails went cold, commitments dissolved into the space time continuum, motives became clouded in mystery, and it's for this reason that using the design of the game to take matters into your own hands I feel can prove to do more bad than good for the Town in the long term, which is why we should aim to make this game as "standard mafia"/comfortable as possible and avoid the potential natural disasters that the design of the game can entice us with...

That's my 2 cents. The last game was a great example of disorganisation from the Town, but that's the only experience I'm going off.

Who wants to cast the first vote? Wii will.

Vote: Chibo...



...because currently I don't understand your intentions for wanting Swiss to shoot/die if you don't find him scummy... that is, unless you wanted to out him as something else? U scum? :chuckle: Can you elaborate on #84 a bit more plz then?
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VOTE COUNT:

[1] Chibo: Chuckie

[0] Omni
[0] Swiss
[0] Friddle/FrozenRiddle/RiddleFlame/Frodo
[0] Ronike
[0] KevinM
[0] Mentos
[0] Rockin
[0] Chuckie
[0] Nicholas
[0] Zei
[0] Sold "Cha-ching" £££$$$

[13] Not Voting: Omni / Swiss / Friddle / Ronike / KevinM / Mentos / Rockin / Nicholas / Chibo / Zei / Sold

(^We'll use this template!)
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@Zei: Eye don't know what to make of Swiss atm because he acted much less obvious in Discworld than he did in other games (and scum Swiss, sorry to say, was effortless to spot in those other games loool) - I think he's trying to be captain commander, saviour of all, and I think his anti-quickshot proposal is more tuned in from a Town POV - I say this because I feel he'd wait around and gauage the situation before nose-diving into a dictatorship/proposal like that as scum. Very early to have anything concrete atm, but time will tell. You must have been interested in Swiss yourself to have asked this... what are you thinking about him atm?, and Tandora/Nich?

I've just noticed Omni asking Chuckie something about agreeing with something. I'm gonna let Vanz answer that. FWIW, we play independently because of our timezones and we've only talked a little about the game so far about how we'd approach this game. @Mod: can we post our hydra communication logs and our QT posts? (say yes say yes say yes say yes!) Wii'd be able to give better insight in how we function with this power-up.

@Swiss: Plz could you give us opinions on Nich and Kevguru plz? Also, I agree with Kev slightly that you're "bullying the mechanics", as in you're trying to take charge and lead the Town - but I want to know what you've learned so far from the reactions of everyone in response to your proposal.

Why did you even consider shooting me? :mad:

@Ronike: Swiss vs Super Troll - in what way did Swiss come out strongest?, and what does that mean to you in light of both players? and does that imply you agree with what Swiss is saying if he came out on top?
 

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@Chuckie: admittedly I was solo most of Halo :D Also, assuming that was Vandy, Kat's got at least a game more experience with me(Phoenix Wright) that I can think of, so he might know me a little bit better!

@Omni: Just because you said you're going to play lazy doesn't allow you to not post content unless asked for it, I expect at least some of your usual big posts, in large part cuz if you're town those posts are always useful :D

:O almost just backed off the page without actually posting thisXD
 

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Haha I was actually ninja'd by that one Chuckie, I was responding to Vandy-head's 88 in that post :D That was a nice interesting post to read though once I realized it was there!
 

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I get wetter as I dry, what am I?

My questions are legit as scum. I didn't follow stuff up becauuuuuuuse my laptop broke and I had unexpected all day job interviews. Pretty pro excuse.

So what do we have here/ Swiss hate through matter and manner. That is all.

U mad?

Nich is town, Mentos is town. Dislike Chuckie, waiting on Kat. Chibo's null (why did I expressly say this?). Ronike's scum, maybe Tan too.
Dislike these sorts of questions.

Why does it have to be a question? Are you eager for questions to be asked to you? Clearly you are. Why is this?

Briefly expand on the other points you surely have, and comment on what you think about the pseudo voting system already suggested.
Did you make any mention of this before the game started? If not, why did you wait until after the roles were sent out? Do you agree that a scum player could easily wave his hand and use it as an excuse? Do you think your 'laziness' will have an impact on your ability to play in a way which is useful to town?
You brush what I say aside by saying I was 'bullying the mechanics' - what does this mean? Why is it not a good thing? Is working as a team not far more useful than working solo? Is scum's power not far reduced if we do not allow quickshots? It is. Why would we go against this?
Poor way to start the game for town. And you don't follow stuff up unless it falls back in your lap.


u don't find him scummy
but u want him to shoot
aka what we should be trying
to force scum to do

@Chuckie: why are u ok with this
i was ok with Swiss shooting or being shot
which is what I quoted
i missed chibo not saying he's scummy
 

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@kateif:
coulda just said
you agree with my point out on chibo
instead of making it seem
like it was something you noticed
independently
hm

@vander: ok :)

@mentos: ok
 

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Ha I expected as much.

Kat tells me cryptic swiss = scum swiss. When he's town he doesn't have to be so cryptic with his posts.
What does you (Vandy) say?

Also his method of asking 5 pointless questions in a row is a poor way to get town out of RVS. He asks lots of pointless questions when he's scum (i.e. halo). I got the impression he didn't really care how or whether town got out of RVS and into serious discussion. He's not following up stuff and I'm sure you noticed this too.
The following up is what I dislike. Town Swiss usually has some sort of aim and I'm able to pick up on his reasoning eventually. Even in RVS. But the questions he's been asking seem to me like he is just asking them to be asking them and doesn't have any intention to gain something behind them. Like in his #25 and #28. He said he didn't follow up because his cpu shut down but that was way after. And I feel he is trying to force his playstyle. Like with the calling himself scum. That's something that he always does but it seems like he is forcing it because he has to.



Had we agreed, no scum would ever have quickshot, right?

K.
What? Do you mean the 1st quickshot or 2nd? The point is that that if town agreed to shooting a quickshooter, then town could simply quickshoot the quickshooter before you cam out and said just kidding. Your point is that you would have retracted that the quickshooter should be shot had it come down to it. I'm saying that you're not thinking at all.

Your reasoning that it would prevent scum from quickshooting is bad too. We would want scum to do this because then they would be investigated. Preventing town from quickshooting is what your aim should have been. You're just making up excuses for your reasoning as you go. You know very well that your plan wasn't to prevent scum from quickshooting.

Also Swiss, you said in your #17 that bombs shouldn't crumb. Why is this? My initial thought was that bombs should claim and I'm suprised no one else has this thought. It would completely take them out as a threat while at the same time decrease the sample size that scum could reside in.


I get wetter as I dry, what am I?

My questions are legit as scum. I didn't follow stuff up becauuuuuuuse my laptop broke and I had unexpected all day job interviews. Pretty pro excuse.



So what do we have here/ Swiss hate through matter and manner. That is all.

U mad?

Nich is town, Mentos is town. Dislike Chuckie, waiting on Kat. Chibo's null (why did I expressly say this?). Ronike's scum, maybe Tan too.
You didn't follow up on questyions before your laptop broke. Which you ingored in the rest of my post.

What do you think of Chuckie now that Kat has posted?

@Zei: Eye don't know what to make of Swiss atm because he acted much less obvious in Discworld than he did in other games (and scum Swiss, sorry to say, was effortless to spot in those other games loool) - I think he's trying to be captain commander, saviour of all, and I think his anti-quickshot proposal is more tuned in from a Town POV - I say this because I feel he'd wait around and gauage the situation before nose-diving into a dictatorship/proposal like that as scum. Very early to have anything concrete atm, but time will tell. You must have been interested in Swiss yourself to have asked this... what are you thinking about him atm?, and Tandora/Nich?
So then you disagree with Vandy-Chuckie? I asked you because I was interested in your thoughts as well as Swiss.

Waiting for distinct tells for Nich. Though it's harder to read him as of late as he is making effort to play differently. Tan is probably town, but I don't have much thought on either of them. I don't think Tan and Swiss = scumbuddies though.

@kateif:
coulda just said
you agree with my point out on chibo
instead of making it seem
like it was something you noticed
independently
hm
What do you think this tells about Chuckie? Or you don't think it tells anything, why did you feel the need to point it out ~.^? Also why are you playing differently this game? The last time I've seen you change your play was in Mario Kart.


-Chuckie + Mentos =/= scumbuddies
-Chuckie + Omni =/= scumbuddies
-Could see Swiss-Chibo/Swiss-Omni (Knife).
 

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Okay so this game. Yeah kinda boring. My other head and Kevin are right about general theory. I'm all for proxy voting and whatnot.

Swiss hate is justified but has probably gone too far. It's also too universal to make me comfortable.

Uhh, anything else that I missed? I'll go make the hydra in a second.
 

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Meet, FrozenFlame and Riddle's hydra, BilboBaggins!

Thought Process was Frozen + Riddle = Froddle = Frodo, but then I realized that Bilbo was much cooler than Frodo.
 

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What do you think this tells about Chuckie? Or you don't think it tells anything, why did you feel the need to point it out ~.^?
im not sure
that's why i said "hm"
but i did feel the need to point it out
and im curious to kateif's response
hm
what do you think, Zen

Also why are you playing differently this game? The last time I've seen you change your play was in Mario Kart.
just felt like it
no reason really

-Could see Swiss-Chibo/Swiss-Omni (Knife).
interesting
do you find me scummy
 

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riddle
if you don't know why i'm voting chibo
then you're doing a good job
letting us all know
how well you skim
 

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I was wondering if there were other reasons. Plus its really hard to figure out what you're saying because of how youre posting >.>
 

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I was wondering if there were other reasons. Plus its really hard to figure out what you're saying because of how youre posting >.>
eh

i asked earlier
what was the point of this question
why did u never follow up
and also
why did you only ask me
looks easy to figure out to me
but ok
sounds like you're trying to hide
the fact that you were skimming
you sure u wanna
stick with that reasoning?
 
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