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Basically Omni. You picked up on a paper trail. Does it mean I am cop? No. Does it mean Tom is Cop? No. Is it a red herring? Yes.
Maybe you're just looking to hard into it. It's a dead discussion now.
First of all, I never said I only wanted one bomb to claim. I want the other bomb to claim eventually, but not until they have to. Worst case scenario is we end up with 3 claimed bombs, and had to choose one of the last two to claim to shoot, shot wrong and lost 1 other townie. Big deal, we still have a found mafia. What do we have this way? Probably nothing different, except we don't have a mafia out of it and no possible completely positive buffer. Losing two townies in this game is essentially the same as one in this game, so long as one isn't a vig role. The mafia doesn't need to kill the bombs, and thus probably won't if they can avoid it, which now they can. At least my way, we could have caught a mafia member out of it. But at the very least, leaving one unclaimed until we needed him claimed was not suicide in any way.
Really, you're gonna throw suspicion on a random claim, from a newbie? No. He's clear.
I don't know WHY in gods name would Chaco said that. I'm really hoping it's just a random joke just to wake up everyone, but even in a trigger happy game, I don't think that's possible.
And then this? Good god Chaco...
****ing ignore it and move on. I'm Mad that **** happen. Major frown on Chaco for failing if he comes out town >=(
This was my idea for making sure no one jumps the gun D1.
what a terrible idea. scum or dumb?
worry about it when it's relevant? answer ronike's question?
No. I was being dead serious.
I think you're missing Tom's point. If a mafia goon had claimed bomb first off, then without a bomb claiming, he is viewed as a completely cleared townie. If the goon is even half-way competent, that's extremely dangerous for town. However, as I have now been proven to be town, his point is moot. In addition, as to his throwing suspicion on my claim... I think its quite paranoid, as for that to be a mafia plan, it would require none of the true bombs claiming, and at the point in time where I claimed, that was not at all for certain.First of all, I never said I only wanted one bomb to claim. I want the other bomb to claim eventually, but not until they have to. Worst case scenario is we end up with 3 claimed bombs, and had to choose one of the last two to claim to shoot, shot wrong and lost 1 other townie. Big deal, we still have a found mafia. What do we have this way? Probably nothing different, except we don't have a mafia out of it and no possible completely positive buffer. Losing two townies in this game is essentially the same as one in this game, so long as one isn't a vig role. The mafia doesn't need to kill the bombs, and thus probably won't if they can avoid it, which now they can. At least my way, we could have caught a mafia member out of it. But at the very least, leaving one unclaimed until we needed him claimed was not suicide in any way.
I'm "scapegoating" you because out of all the proponents of the plan, you are pushing for it the hardest and are the most suspicious.
First off, here's a list of who supported it (In order):
Macman who hasn't posted since the game started
Nick, but because he randomly claimed bomb, I completely believe him.
Tom
Nick Claims Here
Riddle
Chaco, but immediately changes his mind, changes his mind later again due to something marshy said when Marshy said he was against. Which is weird
Kevin said we didn't have much choice, but would have preferred them quiet
So really, someone who has likely not read my view on it, you have one of the bombs on your side, a newbie (no offense meant, but new players tend to be easily swayed by people like Tom), Chaco (who I admit is acting weird, and someone who was forced into your point of view by Nick's claim. So really, you were by far the driving force behind the bomb claims.
In addition, you have been playing like scum the whole game. You have been skimming posts (I noticed cause you didn't even make mention of the fact that Nick had claimed bomb until someone else pointed it out), been covertly throwing suspicion in my direction and in places where suspicion needn't be thrown (such as
Really, you're gonna throw suspicion on a random claim, from a newbie? No. He's clear.
and you've been getting mad at me exclaiming my suspicions of you. If you are a townie, why not just actually defend yourself instead of throwing the blame at me and making up reasons why I'm unreasonably going after you? Cause you are scum trying to misdirect the town.
I'm very tempted to shoot you now, but I will wait until I hear what everyone else has to say.
read? ronike covered this
The mafia only need to kill the vig townies to win, as if the vigs are dead, there is no possible way for the mafia members to be killed. If the bombs are revealed, that changes the chances that the mafia will hit vig from 3/5 to 4/5. Good enough reason for me. I would just like to not I have said this like 3 times now, so you don't seem to be reading very well... You need to do that better mate.
Not true. Losing bombs at night does not hurt us at all. Losing cops hurts us, but doesn't actually take us any closer to defeat, numbers wise. So some losses aren't as big as you think.
I think most of us were trying to sweep it under the rug, however Tom wanted the claims, so why was he trying to ignore it? That's why I think he missed it.
You're being paranoid.
How does your way catch a mafia at all? Having 2 claimed bombs means no cc's most likely. My plan allowed a greater possibility of a mafia claiming bomb and getting cc'd. If that happened, we would have had a 1/2 chance of hitting mafia, and a 1/2 chance of losing an important townie. Like I said, bombs don't count, they don't matter. At any rate, we would have gotten mafia the next day if we didn't the first time.
I don't really see why. Nic claimed really really fast. I think that he prolly would have argued. At any rate, whatever I guess. Crying over spilt milk and stuff.
Kevin said he was forced into it, and Marshy is against it. I listed everyone else for it, and you were the only non-bomb person that was actually reading that was for it besides Riddle, and you've been more scummy IMO. So yes. At any rate, this sounds an awful lot like an emotional appeal to me...
I do think you missed the claim, for reasons said earlier. And its scummy because most people don't read as in depth when they are mafia. That's what I've noticed at least, but its usually hard to catch someone skimming.
I felt this was fairly obvious, but I guess we differed in opinion. Still spilt milk.
No, you didn't. You never really explained why the second bomb needs to claim after the first one until now. You just said things like "Its obvious that now we need the second bomb to claim" and then attacked me for seeming suspicious.
Gotcha. Fair enough.
Ah, my bad. I think that one's kind of self-explanatory though.
