Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
Invasion? where?!
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B&B! Zero Suit General Discussion
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shadow0x0cloud
Smash Apprentice
Hey guys, what should i do when i get a grab? I usually just auto input Down throw > aerial like I'm playing sheik
up throw is good in a lot of situations especially at low % vs fast fallers
shadow0x0cloud
Smash Apprentice
does she have a chain grab?
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
she can chain grab some characters depending on DI, bowser for example. but Dthrow is my preferred throw overall, but against fox/falco Dthrow is a waste of a grab and i Upthrow instead
BILL?
Smash Apprentice
She sortof has a chain grab against some characters, but not in the "peach Uthrow vs spacies" sense.
I have done grab>Fthrow>regrab>Fthrow type stuff, as well as grab release>regrab.
The chain grab is pretty situational and frankly there are better things you can do with her grab. The Upthrow can lead into upB, among other things, which is great for combo starting. Like Shlurpie, I love Downthrow against basically everyone but fox/falco.
This is one of my faves: Grab>Uthrow>UpB>Jab reset>Dsmash>____.
Follow up with: SH Dair to lead into tons of aerial combos, regrab to do it again, Fsmash to KO, whatever you want really.
I have done grab>Fthrow>regrab>Fthrow type stuff, as well as grab release>regrab.
The chain grab is pretty situational and frankly there are better things you can do with her grab. The Upthrow can lead into upB, among other things, which is great for combo starting. Like Shlurpie, I love Downthrow against basically everyone but fox/falco.
This is one of my faves: Grab>Uthrow>UpB>Jab reset>Dsmash>____.
Follow up with: SH Dair to lead into tons of aerial combos, regrab to do it again, Fsmash to KO, whatever you want really.
I like down throw > utilt but whether or not it works seems to depends on the character and DI. Also, down throw > usmash is a little easier to pull off and isn't bad either.
BILL?
Smash Apprentice
^I second what he said: upsmash can start big juggles with dashing>Usmash and Uair.
I also find that this works extremely well with platforms; since Usmash is freakin huge, one Usmash can cover multiple tech options on platforms.
dthrow usmash is a little too easily escaped, i prefer uthrow utilt and uthrow plasma wire
uair is also a better option than usmash to cover platforms.
uair is also a better option than usmash to cover platforms.
BILL?
Smash Apprentice
Uair definitely combos better, lol I may have been thinking of brawl strats from when Usmash was a decent move.
Uthrow>upB is probably my favorite, although at low percentage vs fast fallers i like to start Utilt chains with dtfhow or uthrow, they can DI out pretty soon but it can help towards the start of a stock.
Uthrow>upB is probably my favorite, although at low percentage vs fast fallers i like to start Utilt chains with dtfhow or uthrow, they can DI out pretty soon but it can help towards the start of a stock.
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Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
may be a little early, but was there any ZSS players at apex, and how did they do? :o
Chesstiger2612
Smash Lord
Leffen was sent to Losers early by Rolex and did some work there, beating JCaesar and Gallo but got eliminated by Rolex again and finished 9th.
i lost to R3no and EastCoastEddy. ZSS has like nothing vs Snake or Sheik, so I didn't even attempt to play her.
Been playing friendlies vs like everyone though. Everyone's loving my zss, and I'm even inventing new tech as I play.
Dair > delayed nair > uair > fsmash > edgeguard, did it at around 0-20% vs a Lucario, Marth, Lucas, and Pit. :3c
Also i think i probably dsmash too much. >.> i swear some of my matches i literally just d smash in place like 8 times in a row.
Been playing friendlies vs like everyone though. Everyone's loving my zss, and I'm even inventing new tech as I play.
Dair > delayed nair > uair > fsmash > edgeguard, did it at around 0-20% vs a Lucario, Marth, Lucas, and Pit. :3c
Also i think i probably dsmash too much. >.> i swear some of my matches i literally just d smash in place like 8 times in a row.
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
this has me curious. i'll have to try this next time i play.
what is it about snake that you think ZSS can't do anything about? (know next to nothing about melee chars so not even going to ask)
Hey guys!!! Im new here and was hoping for some advice, im hoping this is the right thread to do so.
At the 8:01 - 8:10 Mark of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfSbaTjewt4&list=PLaj47g9MaxYv09ZSbuKCYmtoXpUzWO93c&index=50, Sethlon does a running down smash... how do you do that? Is it a forward dash + wavedash + downsmash? Or is it another way of downsmashing while dashing that i dont know of? He does it again at 11:47 - 11:51 and again at 12:24 - 12:28. It would be great if you guys could help me with that. Thanks for the help, and happy smashing!
At the 8:01 - 8:10 Mark of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfSbaTjewt4&list=PLaj47g9MaxYv09ZSbuKCYmtoXpUzWO93c&index=50, Sethlon does a running down smash... how do you do that? Is it a forward dash + wavedash + downsmash? Or is it another way of downsmashing while dashing that i dont know of? He does it again at 11:47 - 11:51 and again at 12:24 - 12:28. It would be great if you guys could help me with that. Thanks for the help, and happy smashing!
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Axrz
Smash Apprentice
What video?
Also I'm pretty sure he just presses down and c-stick down. That's how I do it.
Oh **** totally forgot to link to the video... my bad, i just eddited it in and here it is again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfSbaTjewt4&list=PLaj47g9MaxYv09ZSbuKCYmtoXpUzWO93c&index=50
Again, my bad!!!. Oh and thanks Axrz for the fast answer, so its like hyphen smashing but down instead of up?
Again, my bad!!!. Oh and thanks Axrz for the fast answer, so its like hyphen smashing but down instead of up?
Axrz
Smash Apprentice
Uh, I don't know how hyphen smashes work. I do know that you can crouch out of a dash, so Sethlon is simply just crouching and then downsmashing.
BILL?
Smash Apprentice
It is somewhat similar to hyphen smashes (those are dash>Upsmash, right?), but you need the crouch to end the dash in order to do the down smash. Cstick down while dashing = dash attack IIRC.
Dsmash out of a dash can work well as an option for use in tandem with the dash-canceled paralyzer and short-hop paralyzer.
Dash canceled laser>SHFF Laser>Dash at them and respond to their reaction to the paralyzer shots. (SHFFL Nair, some sort of a grab, Dtilt, empty SH mind games leading to sideB or grab, running Dsmash, run past then pivot Dsmash/grab/sideB, SHFFL Bair, etc are among the many ways to follow up on the paralyzer rushing approach.
Dsmash out of a dash can work well as an option for use in tandem with the dash-canceled paralyzer and short-hop paralyzer.
Dash canceled laser>SHFF Laser>Dash at them and respond to their reaction to the paralyzer shots. (SHFFL Nair, some sort of a grab, Dtilt, empty SH mind games leading to sideB or grab, running Dsmash, run past then pivot Dsmash/grab/sideB, SHFFL Bair, etc are among the many ways to follow up on the paralyzer rushing approach.
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
oh my god, literally fox is the absolute devil, how have you melee guys been dealing with this rage machine for as long as you have 
Oro?!
Smash Hero
You go to CSS, hover over Fox, and click A.
Snakeee
Smash Master
Reallyyyy wished I had used ZSS at Apex >.< . Didn't feel confident with her until after I got knocked out of the tourney unfortunately. Then I started playing friendlies and was having awesome winning streaks with ZSS. Definitely excited to make my debut with Project M ZSS next tourney though ; ) .
Anyway, I have a question. Has anyone found any significant combo strings against spacies? No more chaining dsmashes ? No chain grab? Are there certain strings out of up throw that are more reliable than lighter chars? Any input here would be appreciated : )
Anyway, I have a question. Has anyone found any significant combo strings against spacies? No more chaining dsmashes ? No chain grab? Are there certain strings out of up throw that are more reliable than lighter chars? Any input here would be appreciated : )
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
i've not found any throws that work at early % on them.
i've been somewhat successful with Dsmashing after an upthrow sometimes.
i've been somewhat successful with Dsmashing after an upthrow sometimes.
Utilt's a really good combo move. I really like usmash, although not everyone agrees that it's useful. Fwiw, Leffen uses it pretty frequently if he can get away with it. Outside of that, shffled uair is going to be one of your major filler moves against space animals.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
it has a very small hitbox, imagine ZSS is wearing high heels, the stiletto on the shoe would be where the hitbox about is. it's difficult to land initially and has a very situational application, However I would recommend fast falling onto someone and dairing them when they are vulnerable and you are in the air. So less of a horizontal approach and more of a surprise attack from above. Also, after plasma-wiring (up-b) someone from the air they will enter into tumble, if you can read where they will land you can dair them when they tumble down past you and attempt to follow out a combo from that point.
Legend Vermillion
Spanish Brawl Competitive Player
Hi, im trying to main ZSS at PM but im having trouble vs some chars. Can somebody give me basic tips for this matchups:
ZSS vs Mewtwo (He can kill me with a projectile, wtf, also a very quick character)
ZSS vs Ganondorf (I hate his Dair)
ZSS vs Lucario (Srsly, I hate projectiles)
ZSS vs Mewtwo (He can kill me with a projectile, wtf, also a very quick character)
ZSS vs Ganondorf (I hate his Dair)
ZSS vs Lucario (Srsly, I hate projectiles)
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
Sounds to me like you need to stay grounded a little more. all three of the things you named can easily be solved by using shield
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
I have good experience against Ganon, your grab is incredibly useful against him. You can also easily gimp him if you stunstool his recovery at the edge (that's stun him with d-smash, then as soon as he pops out of stun, footstooling him sending him on a spike which he can't recover from).
Lasers are also fantastic against gdorf. Lasers then nairplane. As far as recovery, you have to be tricky with your timing because his fair can wreck you as you reel in the tether.
Subtle One
Smash Journeyman
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I was messing around with ZSS and had a quick question. Her side tilt angled down hits like the 2nd kick of her fair knock back and damage wise. Is this a known positioning tool? It seems to set opponents in tether range nicely.
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
not sure, don't often get to land tilts other than Dtilt due to how slow they are. only guarded against spacies using the tilts when they're already off stage
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
I use it more as an insult, like saying "yeah, I could d-smash to f-smash... But f**k that, I'm just to apathetic and cool" then you casually swing your foot and it is oh so salty.
On a side note, I entered a brawl tourney at my local anime convention today, played my old brawl ZSS main.... hot damn, I have re-invigorated appreciation for the P:M design.
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
i tried playing fox against some friends in vanilla brawl on wednesday....
it was not pretty.
it was not pretty.
JayMan-X
Smash Apprentice
Why can't ZSS dash cancel backwards out of laser shot?
She should be able to run backwards out of laser shot.
I mean, she can technically dashdance to run backwards anyways, so why not just have it so that she can dash cancel forwards and backwards??
She should be able to run backwards out of laser shot.
I mean, she can technically dashdance to run backwards anyways, so why not just have it so that she can dash cancel forwards and backwards??
Oro?!
Smash Hero
It's just a restriction on the move. Much like how grounded lasers suck with Fox/Falco. Learn to work around it.
Teh-Shlurpie
Smash Journeyman
i can imagine so much safe camping if you could dash back out of that laser... it would be too strong i feel.
actually ftilt is a good shield poke, a good gtfo move, and i use it a lot out of aerials to keep pressure on. it ends quicker than her other tilts, and hits different angles than jab/dtilt. it's pretty decent.
I won't deny any of that. I feel like its utility is still pretty limited, even with those uses.