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Australian Brawl Skills

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I was wandering what people thought about an Australian PR for Brawl.

Is it possible?

How many do we include, top 10/top 20?

Who would be interested in being part of the panel if it works out that we could successfully gauge skills?

Let me know your thoughts please :)
 

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Attila won't even be on the VIC panel lol.

I reckon an aus pr would just cause arguments but im not against the idea.

:phone:
 

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i can agree to attila and ted being on the panel, im against earl because I've never really seen him discuss anything and im unsure of whether he has an accurate understanding and ability to tell where people are at. Corpse just because he's someone who doesnt really play often anymore, and rarely comes over east. I'd be uncomfortable with his ability to ascertain where people are at too.
 

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just throwin out a few names who seem to appear at every major
jei goes to everything, knows the players and stuff... reloaded was a rare exception
 

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Yeh I didn't think it would be easy to rank 1 through 10, however tiers may work. I think the clear cut first would be Attila if we could some how manage number ranks, but after that there is a big grey area.

How about the top player from each state. Attila, Ted, Apollo, Corpse, Jaice?

All played almost everyone at the last major, and everyone who attended that major would basically be the top group of players anyway. Outside of a few Vic reps and M from NSW who didn't compete.
 

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S tier - Attila
A tier - Tibs, Earl, Ted, Corpse
B tier - Jaice, Splice, Scoot, Shaya, ZXV.

something like that.

i personally see jaice b tier cos one tournament placement isn't enough.

Probably.
 

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Upto to the panelists, but it looks about right. Was there anyone who gave Attila a run for his money other than Jaice at reloaded? I didn't get to see many other matches other than Jaices. Is there really that much gap between Attila and everyone underneath him?

As far as I was aware, Earl and Splice are fairly equal too.

ZXV also beat Ted at reloaded. This is a good starting list but it may need a shuffle around a bit.
 

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Where am I on the list scoot? WHERE AM I HUH??

lol jks but even though jaice needs more time to show how badass he is, I think hes proved his worth.

Do I get points for using such a bad character? Pit is sooo low on the tier list yup

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Upto to the panelists, but it looks about right. Was there anyone who gave Attila a run for his money other than Jaice at reloaded? I didn't get to see many other matches other than Jaices. Is there really that much gap between Attila and everyone underneath him?

As far as I was aware, Earl and Splice are fairly equal too.

ZXV also beat Ted at reloaded. This is a good starting list but it may need a shuffle around a bit.
ted also did resort to snake (albeit after losing to wario) however im very skeptical about 'certain' results from reloaded being used. Specifically about myself and my attitude in general about that tournament. i think any other day zxv wouldn't even have had the chance to beat ted because my win/loss record agaisnt zxv is rather favourable for me. I'll avoid going more in to though.

but in general, zxv loses to me consistently, as well as Shaya.
 

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Luigi is lower -_-, I should be number 1!!!

I will PM the top players from each state about becoming panelists. I'll set up a social group too and let them decide. Glad people are interested for this to go ahead!
 

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@scoots PR: I'm pretty sure I'd be in the same tier as Earl if we did tiers :/
Me and him go equal at monthlies, and aside from Reloaded (where i still beat lots of people in MMs lol <_< ) I've been very close with him in Major placings.

This could definitely work, I don't think it'd be that hard really.
I dont know if Attila or Earl will want to be on a PR but worth a shot
If not, myself or Jei could be VIC representatives.

top 10 would defs be manageable too imo
I think it'd be easier without tiers, but idk (i dont think any skill gaps are big enough to warrant tiers)

my quick guess of who would be in this list;

Attila
Tibs, Tedeth, Corpse, Jaice, Earl, Splice, ZXV, Shaya, (this is ordered btw, but very roughly. I find it hard to place Jaice because tbh he hasnt proven consistent or done a lot yet but I just can't feel right placing him beneath myself.)
and vying for 10th; Scott, Apollo, Jei (Jeis real good yo, interstaters dont know)
 

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This won't work.

I shall give an example:

Who would be higher on the PR, Corpse or Tibs?

Can't say corpse is above tibs or tibs is above corpse. As they didn't vs at the latest tournament. You can't say they are equal either since one has to be better then the other.

Also if you do it top 20 will be even more difficult. :p

Edit:

Also, if you guys did top 20.

I would be interested to see if Vlade gets on it. He hasn't attended a national so you don't really know how good he is. But he is pretty much just slightly under Corpse level. This is another reason why a PR wouldn't work. As players like Vlade who are good at the game and haven't attended a national can't be placed on the list. Making the PR not legit enough.
 

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splice, i like you and all, but your opinions on skill level are just frustrating sometimes.

you're really good, but zxv and shaya above me would be quite irritating. comparing me to apollo/jei is also a little demeaning. no offense to apollo or jei, but A) I've never lost to apollo and B) with your list, i dont see jei CONSISTENTLY beating two people in your 'a' tier. There's a reason why I get consistent 2nds in NSW, zxv and shaya being better than me isnt that reason. :p

And splice, you've never really proven yourself with results outside of state tournaments either. I know you beat earl from time to time, even go fairly even with him. but those results come from having more chances to play against earl without the threat of attila or tibs in the same tournament often enough.

I really do not see SA having even 1 player in a top 10 Australian ranking. Where was apollo at reloaded? 13th. just outside the top 10. I've never lost to him either. I won't speak any more about jei though, because my first hand with him really isn't reliable but his results arent as consistently high as the rest. (as in he pulls 2nds/3rds here [usually while tibs/attila arent in attendace] and there but more commonly pulls 4-7's from what I've seen)

I tihnk putting you in the same tier as earl would be hasty, and if you want to be in the same tier as earl so much, I'd move earl down before moving you up. And jaice, as i said, has proven himself in one tournament with a high skill level, so just like any normal PR, putting him so high so fast is sketchy until theres more evidence.

it'd look stupid to have me above shaya and zxv in our state rankings but be lower than them in australian rankings. i mean really splice. I beat jaice in a MM too. MM's....arent as relevant.

but basically, and im not being *****y, my honest opinion splice is that your judgement of peoples skill is unreliable.
 

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@Dekar: Oh sorry for forgetting you; you did almost beat Jaice. Cant really see where you would fit in atm tho, soz Deks :p

@Scoot: Im not a panelist and that was a quick sketchy PR. I dunno why you say you beat Jaice in a MM too so your good and stuff, I beat him too but he is still better than me generally.

I don't really know much about NSW and your results of previous Majors that I have attended has been poorer than ZXVs Shayas and Teds from my recollection which is why you were where you were in this list i compiled in 10 seconds. Soz if you are butthurt already :/

Also I didn't even have tiers at all when I posted my list.

+ in regards to you saying i is bad because I dont do well outside state tournaments?
I dont travel interstate much but the majors I have attended aren't terrible (cept Reloaded)
7th at RC and 5th at ACL. All I was going off from state tournaments was I go even with Earl as a player which doesnt put me above him but it's favourable for me either way to do that.
Also I'm pretty sure my records vs Tibs and Attila in sets are pretty similair to Earls too.
Except I think Earls beaten Attila this year and I havent been able to beat A' in a set outside of tournies if i recall correctly.


@Alzi: I dont think top 20 would be manageable.
 

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(where i still beat lots of people in MMs lol <_< )
Is why I mentioned the Money matches.

Also, why would you come out with a comment calling me butthurt already? I thought that I was legitimately countering/arguing against what you said. insults already is just so duuuuumb.

Also just calling a tournament a major doesnt make it so. With ACL, how many interstaters were present excluding tedxv and maybe apollo? you were naturally going to place higher without a large amount of other skilled players that 'may' be better than you.

your interpretation of my post was just so way off. I was legitimately discussing what you thought up, and you call me butthurt. meh.
 

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i wouldn't be on it, i just disagree with your list bigtime
<3

re: scoot - assuming attila is alone on a tier, scoot would surely be c tier
 

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i wouldn't be on it, i just disagree with your list bigtime
<3

assuming attila is alone on a tier, scoot would surely be c tier
nope

s tier (sexy tier) attila.

ALSO, i nver said you were bad, where the hell do you get these exaggerated ideas from?
 

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Not even top 10 would be manageable imo. :p

Actually it maybe could work. swordsaint basically has summed it up in his draft. But still would there be a real point in having an Australian PR?
 

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Not even top 10 would be manageable imo. :p

Actually it maybe could work. swordsaint basically has summed it up in his draft. But still would there be a real point in having an Australian PR?
as far as im concerned, not really a point, but i guess something to aim for like rankings would be incentive for some people. everybody generally knows where people should be (cept splice ;) )
 

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You clearly don't scoot if you put Attila in a tier of his own. :p That is like way to OP. Unless he has actually become that OP. lol.
 

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scoot you are always so serious. I'm bothering to go into a serious discussion right now because I am about to go out for dinner and more importantly im not even a panelist yet. Im not gonna bother to defend my opinion on anything until it matters. Also my comment about the MMs was more of a stab at myself at how well i could have done but failed to do.


dont have me as a panelist then, w/e lol
i dont even see what was so wrong with the players im mentioned, im pretty sure the top 10 would be the 10 players i mentioned (scoot would be 10th, to be fair, so i guess scratch Apollo and Jei for now. Close though :))
 

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maybe he shouldnt be on his own, but everything atm suggests he's PROBABLY #1, and unlike everyone else who is 'A' tier. I personally feel he's one of the few we can accurately rank. He's won two 'majors' this year. (i think)

the whole point of tiers is because its hard to differentiate between players who arent commonly at the same tournament, but for someone like attila who is consistently winning, being seperate to other people i believe is justified.

ok splice, let's have a joke discussion about this, because thats surely accurate! I really don't see a problem with a legit discussion. maybe you dont actually enjoy discussing peoples placements? I do...but taking a stab at me for it is just silly. I was discussing it because I was finding it legitimately enjoyable, not because it matters/doesn't matter yet lol.
 

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Yeah Attila no doubt would be number 1 on this list. If someone disagree's then they clearly do not know what they are saying.

About the other 9 I wouldn't know so good luck to who ever has to try and place them in a order. :p
 

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Yeah Attila no doubt would be number 1 on this list. If someone disagree's then they clearly do not know what they are saying.

About the other 9 I wouldn't know so good luck to who ever has to try and place them in a order. :p
there wouldn't be an exact order, which is why theres a bit of talk about tiers. an exact order WOULD be too difficult and opinionated.
 

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Tiers is the only way to do it. I ran even with Jei at Tpoo, and I was running even with Apollo at reloaded. Both of us won games against each other so sadly I don't think SA would have rep on this list.

I don't know how good Jei is now, but I can't see how he could have improved more than what I have in the same amount of time.

Scoot's 10 is the 10. Now it's a matter of how they are ordered.
 

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Tiers is the only way to do it. I ran even with Jei at Tpoo, and I was running even with Apollo at reloaded. Both of us won games against each other so sadly I don't think SA would have rep on this list.

I don't know how good Jei is now, but I can't see how he could have improved more than what I have in the same amount of time.

Scoot's 10 is the 10. Now it's a matter of how they are ordered.
obviously because its my opinion i think that if it's only tiered then my 10 is 100% accurate. but if we were to rank them, i wouldn't be confident in being accurate.
 

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i wasnt making a joke PR what

I was just making a quick observation, mainly for my own purpose of seeing how things would be.
I shouldn't have to read walls of text whenever you choose to debate with me just so i dont upset you.
Coz you know what its not worth it.
And stop being so uptight and dwelling on me calling you "butthurt" lol i seriously dont think anyone else would actually care.

Also its probably worth noting the top 10 Scott listed are also the top 10 i listed just in a different order
but apparently im ******** anyway lol

dinner time
 

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i wasnt making a joke PR what

I was just making a quick observation, mainly for my own purpose of seeing how things would be.
I shouldn't have to read walls of text whenever you choose to debate with me just so i dont upset you.
Coz you know what its not worth it.
And stop being so uptight and dwelling on me calling you "butthurt" lol i seriously dont think anyone else would actually care.

Also its probably worth noting the top 10 Scott listed are also the top 10 i listed just in a different order
but apparently im ******** anyway lol

dinner time
for the sake of clarification, i only start getting annoyed when people say im annoyed/butthurt. If you don't feel like discussing it, just say that instead of stringing along a discussion that I think is serious, that you're not taking seriously so that when you get annoyed at it, you can just say yuo dont care.

Who cares whether anybody cares? if you're saying it to me, whether they care or not is totally irrelevant.

i didn't call you ********. I disagreed with your list and told you why and you seem so butthurt over it >_>

I really wanted this to be a civil discussion
 

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obviously because its my opinion i think that if it's only tiered then my 10 is 100% accurate. but if we were to rank them, i wouldn't be confident in being accurate.

Oh ok get you now. Now that I think of it that way it should work quite easily.

We need a rofl PR of the WORSE players. Getting from worst to horrible.
 
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