At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

[PublicServant]

In all honesty the CERO Z argument really doesn't hold that much water when Smash Ultimate has spirits from Metal Gear Solid 3 and 4, which are labeled CERO 18+ (probably before the CERO rating change?) and Z respectively.

Heck, even the stage is from MGS4!

 

[TindalosKeeper]

In all honesty the CERO Z argument really doesn't hold that much water when Smash Ultimate has spirits from Metal Gear Solid 3 and 4, which are labeled CERO 18+ (probably before the CERO rating change?) and Z respectively.

Eh... Not sure, they haven't updated the CERO rating for old games?

But other than that, Metal Gear is not as violent as Doom. Snake is more onto tactical elimination or enemy evasion, while Doom Slayer has to kill everything on sight.

Hoping still for Doom Slayer's inclusion, but again... That Z rating hurts his chances, no matter how wanted it is either in the West or the East. (There's support in China, not sure Japan)

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Eh... Not sure, they haven't updated the CERO rating for old games?

But other than that, Metal Gear is not as violent as Doom. Snake is more onto tactical elimination or enemy evasion, while Doom Slayer has to kill everything on sight.

Hoping still for Doom Slayer's inclusion, but again... That Z rating hurts his chances, no matter how wanted it is either in the West or the East. (There's support in China, not sure Japan)

If the Cero-Z rating really does effect Doom Guy's chances then he would have said in an interview "No! Doom Guy cannot be in Super Smash Bros Ultimate!" and until he does, it's fair game.

 

[TindalosKeeper]

If the Cero-Z rating really does effect Doom Guy's chances then he would have said in an interview "No! Doom Guy cannot be in Super Smash Bros Ultimate!" and until he does, it's fair game.

Ahhhh! Interesting topic you stumbled on!

The interviews... Huh... They indeed said that stuff, but... What constitutes a NDA nowadays?

I don't really know if saying you have had talks with a company is a NEAR breach, or eye-brow riser... Maybe Pete Hines got an earful for that...

Maybe that "Oh yeah" was a bit too much? Anyone at Nintendo would have slammed a desk, wanting an explanation...

But it also could mean there were no plans whatsoever with Nintendo or they refused collab...

I wanna keep hopes, but ignoring these important details is lying to myself. Until they are explained, I will feel at rest.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1171719707453349888?s=20

It seems a "column" with Sakurai has been leaked. (It's like a blog). It may say who are the DLC fighters planned or loosely say what it might say, who knows?. If someone can see further, it's welcomed. Everything should be fully leaked in 12.5 hours, as stated here.

EDIT 2: https://youtu.be/vA7Xyh5YKwA

Apparently, polls were faked. True or nah, I just don't trust leaks, lol. Maybe from actual official sources, sure! (Like SNK leak from Nintendo). So take what I said on my first Edit with skepticism.

 

[Untouch]

Yeah that Saber poll is a joke if you know anything about the actual speculation for characters going on in Japan.
Funny how it got spread around.

Also looks as if DLC is going to be third party again.
https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1171720134198624256

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Ahhhh! Interesting topic you stumbled on!

The interviews... Huh... They indeed said that stuff, but... What constitutes a NDA nowadays?

I don't really know if saying you have had talks with a company is a NEAR breach, or eye-brow riser... Maybe Pete Hines got an earful for that...

Maybe that "Oh yeah" was a bit too much? Anyone at Nintendo would have slammed a desk, wanting an explanation...

But it also could mean there were no plans whatsoever with Nintendo or they refused collab...

I wanna keep hopes, but ignoring these important details is lying to myself. Until they are explained, I will feel at rest.

Yeah I was discussing this with someone on the Geno thread where they said that they were under NDA a few times and they told me that Pete Hines would have broken the NDA for saying "Oh yeah" since that would hint that maybe a character is coming instead of outright denying the possibility. Doom Guy is most likely not getting in the Fighters Pass, however with more additional DLC being semi-confirmed to be all Third Party, I think Doom Guy has a clean slate now.

 

[Untouch]

I don't think what Pete said would be breaking NDA as it was vague enough that it was a non answer.
Also that interview was relatively early (was September 2018), full contracts and stuff may not have been finalized.

(I actually think the only thing hurting doomguy for #5 in the pass is the fact that Eternal is in development right now and would make collaboration with ID for DLC difficult)

 

[Llort A. Ton]

EDIT 2: https://youtu.be/vA7Xyh5YKwA

Apparently, polls were faked. True or nah, I just don't trust leaks, lol. Maybe from actual official sources, sure! (Like SNK leak from Nintendo). So take what I said on my first Edit with skepticism.

Have we really gotten to the point where we cant go 15 minutes without a fake leak so were leaking fake japanese polls?

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I could buy maybe Lloyd Irving being Japan’s top choice from that previous poll I saw (who I’d be down for as a Tales fan), though took with a grain of salt, but that other one with Saber seemed like a bunch of nonsense. Regardless, tired of always seeing people give fellatio to Japan’s “superior taste” when it comes to these polls. Like sorry for enjoying the wrong things. Guessing it’s mostly weebs and such who are kinda insular about Western series, but still.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I could buy maybe Lloyd Irving being Japan’s top choice from that previous poll I saw (who I’d be down for as a Tales fan), though took with a grain of salt, but that other one with Saber seemed like a bunch of nonsense. Regardless, tired of always seeing people give fellatio to Japan’s “superior taste” when it comes to these polls. Like sorry for enjoying the wrong things. Guessing it’s mostly weebs and such who are kinda insular about Western series, but still.

I know the pain, honestly the fanbase has been developing a lot of people hyper passionate about anineesque kind of series since Smash 4. People can like what they want but the elitism needs to stop. Not everyone cares about anime or animeesque games.

 

[UberPyro64]

https://twitter.com/NoponDigi/status/1172140452608389121

We should vote for Doom Slayer in this Twitter poll.

 

[amazonevan19]

I found this awesome fanart on a discord server and wanted to share it here! I bet this will happen really soon! :D

 

[Megadoomer]

https://twitter.com/NoponDigi/status/1172140452608389121

We should vote for Doom Slayer in this Twitter poll.

I was going to, until I saw that he was up against Dante in the poll. The two of them are probably my most wanted at this point (though Geno's definitely up there), and I don't know if I can pick between them.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Voted, though Dante has more votes, unsurprisingly.

 

[PublicServant]

Voted, though Dante has more votes, unsurprisingly.

Must be that "Japan has superior roster taste" effect coming into play.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Maybe, but even then, I prefer Resident Evil far as the more mature Capcom choices go. It’s at least earned it compared to DMC getting just one game on the Switch, with RE’s vast history.

 

[GolisoPower]

Maybe, but even then, I prefer Resident Evil far as the more mature Capcom choices go. It’s at least earned it compared to DMC getting just one game on the Switch, with RE’s vast history.

Agreed. As far as horror games go, Resident Evil is the biggest. Besides, Smash Bros doesn’t have a playable horror game rep yet. Sure, we have Alex Roivas as a Spirit and a Fatal Frame Assist Trophy, but horror is a big game genre not represented in Smash, and it could benefit from having RE in the game.

 

[Megadoomer]

Maybe, but even then, I prefer Resident Evil far as the more mature Capcom choices go. It’s at least earned it compared to DMC getting just one game on the Switch, with RE’s vast history.

I figure Dante would allow them to get more creative from a gameplay standpoint. With a Resident Evil character, you've got knives, rocket launchers, grenades, and maybe realistic guns (depends on how balanced they'd be in terms of gameplay), while with Dante, you've got motorcycle-chainsaw hybrids, a set of three-headed nunchucks that uses various elements and doubles as a staff, a hat that shoots money as a projectile, and that's just from a single game.

 

[TindalosKeeper]

The dream is over for non-videogame characters in Smash:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1172310044550914048

So no Goku, SpongeBob, Ironman, etc.

 

[Megadoomer]

The dream is over for non-videogame characters in Smash:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1172310044550914048

So no Goku, SpongeBob, Ironman, etc.

That's been stated multiple times now - I'm not sure what's changed.

 

[TindalosKeeper]

That's been stated multiple times now - I'm not sure what's changed.

Pretty sure yet ANOTHER warning. Some people were surprisingly stubborn about their inclusion, lmao.

 

[GolisoPower]

Pretty sure yet ANOTHER warning. Some people were surprisingly stubborn about their inclusion, lmao.

Yeah, I know, right?

Sakurai could literally tell them that to their faces and they’d still advocate for stuff like Goku or Iron Man.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I figure Dante would allow them to get more creative from a gameplay standpoint. With a Resident Evil character, you've got knives, rocket launchers, grenades, and maybe realistic guns (depends on how balanced they'd be in terms of gameplay), while with Dante, you've got motorcycle-chainsaw hybrids, a set of three-headed nunchucks that uses various elements and doubles as a staff, a hat that shoots money as a projectile, and that's just from a single game.

The limited options between RE conventional weapons is part of why I’d like to see Wesker the most, with the unique kit he has, but I know they’d go with one of the protagonists first over the villain.

 

[PublicServant]

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[Looma]

The dream is over for non-videogame characters in Smash:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1172310044550914048

So no Goku, SpongeBob, Ironman, etc.

The dream was never alive, people are just stubborn.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Not like any of the aforementioned non-game characters hold a candle to James Bond here anyway because ya know, Goldeneye; the other most influential shooter apart from Doom and Halo, and was the 3rd highest selling game on the 64 behind only Mario Kart and Super Mario, which created its own legacy in the form of Perfect Dark and such, although didn't care as much for PD.

 

[M00NFIRE94]

The dream is over for non-videogame characters in Smash:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1172310044550914048

So no Goku, SpongeBob, Ironman, etc.

You mean to tell me we're not getting Danny DeVito as 5th fighter? What did we even get this game for?!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Not saying he's a lock because I'll admit I can be wrong but I'm throwing in the bone to say Doom Slayer is the 5th and final fighter of this Season Pass.

If I had to guess when he'll be revealed it'll be with Terry's release in November in response to Doom Eternal and then announced to be released at the VGA surprising everyone with being released so early.

 

[PublicServant]

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What dark coincidental magic is this!?

 

[GolisoPower]

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Hey, that’s pretty cool!

If this means Doom Slayer is in Smash Bros, then good for us. Franchise popular in Japan gets more Western exposure due to Smash (Dragon Quest), then franchise popular in the West gets more Japanese exposure due to Smash (Doom). I’d say that’s a good trade.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Surprised, but interesting. Also advertisements for Elder Scrolls Online's newest expansion, how well has ESO done over there? Looks like Bethesda's going for a big push at TGS.

 

[Looma]

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Remember how everyone said that Hero was for Japan and Banjo-Kazooie was for the west? Well I think this would prove to be a more accurate comparison.

 

[shinhed-echi]

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So glad to see they’re advertising over there. Doom needs all the exposure it can in Japan.
People give the marketing team behind DQ11 a hard time, but man, I believe they really really tried. Of course Smash was a marketing juggernaut for them in the end. But they still managed to get people excited before Smash.

Hopefully Doom can do better. Would be kind of whack if they hired a little anime studio to create a Doom short to hype people up. (Kind of like how Halo did a DBZ-like parody anime, and I think even got Bird Studio to animate).

 

[GolisoPower]

So glad to see they’re advertising over there. Doom needs all the exposure it can in Japan.
People give the marketing team behind DQ11 a hard time, but man, I believe they really really tried. Of course Smash was a marketing juggernaut for them in the end. But they still managed to get people excited before Smash.

Hopefully Doom can do better. Would be kind of whack if they hired a little anime studio to create a Doom short to hype people up. (Kind of like how Halo did a DBZ-like parody anime, and I think even got Bird Studio to animate).

If Doom got an anime short, then White Fox should be the one to do it. I mean, after all, Doom and Goblin Slayer are very similar. Hell, they even casted Doom Slayer’s mo-cap actor, Brad Hawkins, as the titular Goblin Slayer in the dubbed version! Getting White Fox for a Doom anime short would be going full circle!

 

[PublicServant]

We can now confirm one of two potential dates for the fifth fighters pass character to be revealed:

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[shinhed-echi]

If Doom got an anime short, then White Fox should be the one to do it. I mean, after all, Doom and Goblin Slayer are very similar. Hell, they even casted Doom Slayer’s mo-cap actor, Brad Hawkins, as the titular Goblin Slayer in the dubbed version! Getting White Fox for a Doom anime short would be going full circle!

I had no idea there was a bond between those two things. I might watch the anime because I also heard it was good. Goblin Slayer always gave me Doomguy vibes for some reason, I can’t believe this was why, lol.

Yeah they’d be really cool then. Hopefully they do it. Can’t think of a better way to get into Japan’s pan-... hearts.

He could be a (mostly) silent protagonist who brutes his way out of every situation, maybe cut down a bit on he blood, but not the violence. I dunno, I have concept clips in my head and it works too well. if only I was at my animation heyday..

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If he is in here, I doubt he'd be the next character. Not just because of possible negotiation timing, but the initial 5Chan fake leak for the pass got a few things right, but the rest mostly wrong (Anlucia isn't an alt, Steve's nowhere to be seen, neither is Ryu for that matter).

So glad to see they’re advertising over there. Doom needs all the exposure it can in Japan.
People give the marketing team behind DQ11 a hard time, but man, I believe they really really tried. Of course Smash was a marketing juggernaut for them in the end. But they still managed to get people excited before Smash.

Hopefully Doom can do better. Would be kind of whack if they hired a little anime studio to create a Doom short to hype people up. (Kind of like how Halo did a DBZ-like parody anime, and I think even got Bird Studio to animate).

DQ11 marketing department towards Hero's release schedule be like.

Spoiler

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm gonna say it. I think color theory is real. Whether it's intentional or coincidence, I don't know.
But Doom Slayer's background could be orange like hellfire.

 

[Darkmoone1]

I'm gonna say it. I think color theory is real. Whether it's intentional or coincidence, I don't know.
But Doom Slayer's background could be orange like hellfire.

This is most likely the case. Dooms has always been centered around a red/orange hue. Even in the original logo as well:

 

[OpticalBlast]

This is most likely the case. Dooms has always been centered around a red/orange hue. Even in the original logo as well:

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I'm trying not to get too excited, but hoo boy.

The only thing against this is that character backgrounds usually use contrasting variants of colors that are actually on the character (unless they're using classic Doomguy's tanned arms? lol)