At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

Ridley_Prime · Mar 26, 2021

This just in. The Dark Lord, which we know as The Creator of all beings in the DOOM Universe. Is not the actual TRUE God. There's still an entity beyond him, one that we will probably explore in the next DOOM game. Time to wake up The Slayer again. pic.twitter.com/UN8gutcjOf
— MidnightTheSpartan (@MrMidnai) March 26, 2021

This is the worst way you can set something like this up, through a stream and not somewhere from the game itself.

“Oh no, that isn’t the true God, this is the true God!” ... Until they introduce a next deity of some kind. Feels like the lore’s getting redundant at this point. The fact they had the mysterious voice that yells “Nooo!” after beating Khan Makyr changed to Dark Lord and then changed back to mysterious voice already broke some of the immersion for me, and now this power creep.

If the next game’s just more of the same I feel it’ll start to get stale fast. They need to keep it fresh somehow. This all just feels like quick damage control after the community’s mixed response to TAG part 2’s ending.

Hm... After looking at the vague answers given on stream, seems like some people are just looking too much into things while coping with their disappointment from TAG part 2. Sounds like the Dark Lord is still intended to be Lucifer which makes sense, even if there’s a being beyond him which of course there is. How would there be another game otherwise? Still, am content with this being the last one for awhile.

TerminatorLOL · Mar 26, 2021

Got to say, my interest in the lore starting going down ever since they revealed the devil was a evil Doomguy at the end of AG Part 1. I mean I was willing to given them a chance to convince me it wasn't dumb, but instead they weirdly just don't talk about how these two guys have the same face. Now your telling me that there is another god above the one VEGA called "the first being" >_>

M00NFIRE94 · Mar 26, 2021

You think this Dark Lord above the last Dark Lord who was above The Father is THE Dark Lord? Fools! Now you have to fight his brother and his mother but wait! The mother was Daisy!

chocolatejr9 · Mar 26, 2021

M00NFIRE94 said:
You think this Dark Lord above the last Dark Lord who was above The Father is THE Dark Lord? Fools! Now you have to fight his brother and his mother but wait! The mother was Daisy!

Who's Daisy?

Ridley_Prime · Mar 26, 2021

The pet rabbit, who had some hidden cameo appearances throughout Eternal, but Hugo or someone confirmed it was a hallucination in Doomguy’s head because he misses her.

chocolatejr9 · Mar 26, 2021

Ridley_Prime said:
The pet rabbit, who had some hidden cameo appearances throughout Eternal, but Hugo or someone confirmed it was a hallucination in Doomguy’s head because he misses her.

Oh.

That's... kinda sad, actually.

PublicServant · Mar 27, 2021

chocolatejr9 said:
Oh.

That's... kinda sad, actually.

That, and he confirmed that the photo of the woman and boy in the Fortress of Doom was Doomguy's wife and son, who were also killed alongside Daisy at the end of Doom 1.

Which kinda invalidates the whole "Doomguy doesn't know what human reproduction is" meme... unless his son was either adopted or conceived via IVF

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The crying sounds you occassionally hear in some of Doom 64's tracks are those of his wife and child, haunting his PTSD-stricken mind throughout the game.

Guynamednelson · Mar 27, 2021

PublicServant said:
The crying sounds you occassionally hear in some of Doom 64's tracks are those of his wife and child, haunting his PTSD-stricken mind throughout the game

Sounds like they're retconning a bit too much.

~~At least the crying in Doom PS1 was left alone~~

PublicServant · Mar 27, 2021

Guynamednelson said:
Sounds like they're retconning a bit too much.

~~At least the crying in Doom PS1 was left alone~~

Not really, since both use the same tracks.

Serialkillerwhale · Mar 27, 2021

Moral of the story?

Stop trying to write a plot, Id, it's DOOM, just give us more demons to kill.

chocolatejr9 said:
I don't know if anybody here is interested, but the Microsoft-Zenimax buyout just got the EU Seal of Approval.

“The Commission concluded that the proposed acquisition would raise no competition concerns, given the combined entity’s limited market position upstream and the presence of strong downstream competitors in the distribution of video games." https://t.co/tqkJUvrvEb
— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) March 8, 2021

I have no idea what that quote means, but I assume it's a good thing.

Most relevant to us, Microsoft already Okay'd Steve for Smash.

And having Doomguy in Smash is, IMO, a must for the game to truly be what it seems to be aspiring to be with the inclusion of the likes of Ryu, Simon Belmont, and Cloud, an all-stars fighting game hosting representatives from the most influential games in the industry's history.

DOOM is more than a genre-definer. It is the very game upon whose shoulders much of the modern industry stands upon.

It pioneered the combination of a singleplayer campaign with an additional LAN multiplayer mode, Id's licensing of the Doom Engine is what inspired things like the Unreal engine of today, it's the first "realistic" videogame released to push the limits of graphics in an era of games set in unrealistic, vague square rooms and silly enemies. It was a game that proved the PC's capabilities to challenge, and even surpass consoles as a platform in terms of graphical fidelity in an era where the GPU wasn't even a pipedream yet.

And most of all, Doom's popularity was such that it outperformed Microsoft Windows in 1995, leading to Bill Gates approaching Id for the right to make a Windows port of Doom (Which, was, in it's original incarnation, a MS-DOS Game.) Among the people who worked on that game was Gabe Newell, who would come to found Valve.

It bears keeping in mind, in those early days, Microsoft was the underdog with it's outdated MS-DOS system and "knockoff" Windows, compared to Apple's MacOS. Doom's superiority over MacOS rival, was part of that rising tide that overthrew Steve Jobs and established the more developer-friendly Windows as the dominant PC OS.

Doom is one of those few games that didn't just shake the video game industry, but reached beyond that to influence mainstream culture as a whole in a time when Video Games were seeing as that weird thing nerds in universities did. It was so successful, Bill Gates took notice, and in doing so, would play it's own part in shaping PC history as a whole. There are few who could stand up to the likes of a certain mustachioed plumber as an equal, and this one nameless marine, is one of those few.

But don't take it from me. Take it from Michael Abrash, current chief scientist of Occulus VR, a member of the Quake Dev Team, and then writer of a column in Dr. Dobbs called Rambling in Real Time.

This must have been what it was like for Jon Landau when he attended a concert at the Harvard Square Theater in 1974 and afterwards wrote, "I saw rock'n'roll future and its name is Bruce Springsteen."

Surely this is the way the people at Apple felt when they visited Xerox PARC, used a strange device called a "mouse" to move bitmapped windows around the screen, and suddenly glimpsed a future very different from the one they had envisioned just hours before.

We're talking the apes dancing around the monolith in 2001; an asteroid hitting the Earth and clearing the way for us mammals; a bunch of amino acids coming together in just the right way to create the first dim hint of life. What we're talking here is The Day The World Changed, if you catch my drift.

Let me explain.

At the Game Developers Conference in April 1994, there were rumors flying around about DOOM running under Windows. Given that DOOM was and is a DOS phenomenon sui generis, and that Windows had zero mindshare for real-time games, the rumors seemed improbable, to say the least, but they were confirmed when Microsoft urged people to stop by Chris Hecker's talk to see WinDOOM. So the room was packed with people expecting to see DOOM running under Windows--and still the crowd literally gasped when it actually happened. There was DOOM, running along in what was indisputably real time--in a window, with Program Manager, and Clock, and all the rest up there too. And in that moment I had one of those rare glimpses of the future--a future in which Windows becomes the mainstream, real-time graphics platform. That future is one in which all the rules of real-time graphics programming change, a future in which Mode X and SuperVGA and DOS extenders and adapter support and the other myriad complexities of DOS programming vanish.

You see, Windows is a DOS extender, it provides driver support in a generally device-independent way, and it attracts far more drivers than any other platform. The only thing missing for real-time graphics is fast, direct, double-buffered graphics-- or, rather, I should say "was," because that gap is now filled by WinG (pronounced win-GEE), the software that made WinDOOM possible. WinG does nothing more or less profound than support fast, double-buffered drawing on Win 3.1, Win32s, and Win32, and that's precisely the missing ingredient in making Windows an excellent real-time animation platform.

I know what you're thinking: Is that all? Is that what you're getting so excited about? Well, yes. Think of it this way. Right now, if you want to do real-time, 256-color graphics above 320x200 under DOS, you have to deal with the complexities of Mode X. If you want to go past 360x480, you have to deal with supporting dozens of different SuperVGAs, and you have to handle banked video memory. You also have to do all the drawing yourself, including text. Furthermore, you have to deal with protected mode somehow, plus input handling, and all the rest.

With WinG, the details of protected mode, devices, and input handling are handled by Windows, and 32-bit programming is a snap with Windows NT or Win32s or, soon, Windows 95, with tools galore available. Better yet, you can do all your drawing into a single, linear pixel buffer, with GDI's help, if you'd like, and then WinG will copy or stretch that buffer to the screen at memory bandwidth. No banking, no Mode X, no mode-set complexities, just the big, linear pixel buffer with 32-bit addressing that you've always dreamed of--and Windows is everywhere nowadays, so we're talking about a huge and rapidly growing installed base.

So sure, I think WinG is worth getting excited about, if for no other reason than because it means that game authors are well on their way to having a single, standard, hardware-independent PC environment in which to program. I have a more selfish reason for liking WinG, though; it allows me to have all of the code in this column draw to linear pixel buffers, freeing me to concentrate on challenging, high-level, real-time graphics issues rather than hardware- and OS-specific details. What I'm going to do this month is provide a quick overview of WinG, then present a simple, WinG-based animation program that will serve as the foundation for our future ramblings in real time. Once we've got that basic program in place, we can put just about any kind of graphics on top of it, without spending any more precious column space on low-level details. And believe me, column space is indeed precious--I can already think of more hardware-independent graphics topics than I could cover in a decade's worth of columns!

NonSpecificGuy · Mar 27, 2021

TerminatorLOL said:
Got to say, my interest in the lore starting going down ever since they revealed the devil was a evil Doomguy at the end of AG Part 1. I mean I was willing to given them a chance to convince me it wasn't dumb, but instead they weirdly just don't talk about how these two guys have the same face. Now your telling me that there is another god above the one VEGA called "the first being" >_>

They explained it in Part 1. The Dark Lord takes the form of what the Demons fear most.

TerminatorLOL · Mar 27, 2021

NonSpecificGuy said:
They explained it in Part 1. The Dark Lord takes the form of what the Demons fear most.

Can you tell me where they explained that, cause I'm not finding it.

Edit: I just re-read the codex and re-watched the ending of Part 1. Nether gave this explanation

NonSpecificGuy · Mar 27, 2021

TerminatorLOL said:
Can you tell me where they explained that, cause I'm not finding it.

Edit: I just re-read the codex and re-watched the ending of Part 1. Nether gave this explanation

Huh, I’m pretty sure it’s in there somewhere. It’s under some kind of mumbo jumbo about split worlds and recreating the human world as a Mirror of the hell world where it’s implied or stated the only one that could lead/rule them was the one they feared most. Which was what The Father meant when he said “you in their world.” I THINK. I could be wrong but I think that’s what the explanation was.

doomguywhen1993 · Mar 30, 2021

If the Dark Lord we faught is not even the main villain anymore, i wonder about some of the concept art for Hell priests and Archdemons, if they still exist somewhere.
It seems like an out of nowhere retcon and i already thought the Dark Lord didn't work as an "anti-doomguy" for not having a similar weaponset and the fact Doomguy's appearence in 3D could have been done more faithfully.
At this point, i wish id just admitted that lore might as well be an experiment for the sake of it at best and at worst, something added because other franchises have it, when the whole thing is written with a different identity from the original games.
I also wonder if story even has to be an excuse to keep making more Doom games, if they no longer have to worry about season pass to work more on gameplay.
I also always thought that expanding Doom meant literally adding anything, because a more structured story/lore could limit things for a series that is fun to experiment with, even if it's because of the simplicity or weirdness of the premise.
I even think a good reason for "some occasional reboots or reiterations, even if spin-offs" is to play with ideas that could have been design/written differently.

Don't care much about Doomguy having a wife and son because the only thing it's contradicting is a meme screenshot that was never properly sourced or looked up.
It was never a retcon like how they described UAC developing cybernetic demons, which actually differs both some enemy descriptions in the original levels and the overall layouts and aesthetic of classic levels.
That was also one of the very few bits of classic Doom.
In other news. Doom 3 VFR is out.
And there's also this https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1376615779228119041 A CE for Doom 1/2/3 which even includes a metal replica of the classic UAC key card.

Anyway, doing that thing again:

Megadoomer · Apr 2, 2021

This tweet is great.

hoppy #Easter pic.twitter.com/bg9tFfiPR5
— DOOM (@DOOM) April 2, 2021

I still need to play through the Ancient Gods part 2 - I've finished the first area, though I still have two more to go. (I think? That's how many areas were in part 1, anyway)

Also, the entire Doom series (including Doom Eternal) is currently on sale on the Switch - Doom Eternal went on sale much faster than I thought it would.

Wonder Smash · Apr 4, 2021

Not sure if this was posted here but I figured it'd be good to showcase this really good idea for a Classic Mode for Doomguy by Megadoomer. I really like it.

Megadoomer said:
Doomguy: Rip and Tear (characters who are demonic, either in appearance or abilities)

Stage 1: on Find Mii (At Doom's Gate)

Stage 2: on Frigate Orpheon (Into Sandy's City)

Stage 3: on Brinstar Depths (Battlefield version) (Running From Evil)

Stage 4: on Norfair (Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names))

Stage 5: horde on Final Destination (BFG Division - you knew it was going to be in here somewhere)

Bonus Game (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that some classic modes messed with the order of where the bonus game was)

Stage 6: on Eldin Bridge (The Only Thing They Fear Is You)

Boss: Ganon (I was torn between him, Dracula, or Giga Bowser) (The Icon of Sin)

Ridley_Prime · Apr 7, 2021

I guess this clears up some things about the lore, not that I took it too seriously like that to begin with, but it was serviceable enough for the world building.

TerminatorLOL · Apr 8, 2021

Yeah, I'm kinda checking out on the lore stuff now. The non answers to the Davoth looking like Doomguy thing is still frustrating to me.

I guess I'm glad there will be some explanation to that time gap between 2016 and Eternal. (which I actually forgot about) But I've given up on getting answers to stuff that bug me, like learning who the heck was the wretch.

NonSpecificGuy · Apr 8, 2021

Reading up on some of the lore after finally finishing Part II a couple weeks ago (sorry I got a hell of a backlog) this is how I feel the explanation of the Doom Slayer and Davoth looking the same goes.

Davoth is the creator of everything. It’s confirmed that he wasn’t the Dark Lord to begin with but was instead the creator of all things. He created the Maykr’s and thus Khan Maykr, the Father, and Samur who went on to overthrow him. In response he developed his sadistic ways and was imprisoned in Hell to serve there until he was reduced to a life sphere by some means I’m unaware of. The Khan Maykr’s rise to power is a little more murky but it seems like she overthrew the Father just as the Father did to Davoth. This could be in the lore and I just missed it but it’s likely Davoth was the one who assisted Khan in overthrowing The Father and reducing him to a life sphere.

This is the part I’m most sure on though. Before Davoth was betrayed by Khan he told her of a “chosen one” that would someday bring her reign of power to an end. He created Doom Slayer in HIS image just like the God in the Christian Bible created humans in HIS image. This sent her in a frenzy looking for the Slayer which resulted in experiments on the ACTUAL Slayer causing him to be as powerful as he is in gameplay (he was the only one of the sentinels who actually survived the experiments). I think Davoth literally recreated himself to a near tee so that he could get his revenge on the Khan Maykr through him and feel satisfaction that the last face she would see would be Davoth’s through Doom Slayer. The irony in it is that Davoth’s face would also be the last thing he himself sees through the very thing he created to get his revenge.

Judging by the lore of Part II though it also makes it unlikely that Davoth was the one who cried out “NOOOO” at the death of Khan in the main campaign and could’ve instead been either The Father or a being from another reality that the Khan had made a deal with like she did with Davoth. It’s interesting to think about but the different realms introduced in Eternal will likely be what leads into Doom 3 and won’t actually be focused on killing demons. At least not demons from hell.

PublicServant · Apr 9, 2021

NonSpecificGuy said:
Reading up on some of the lore after finally finishing Part II a couple weeks ago (sorry I got a hell of a backlog) this is how I feel the explanation of the Doom Slayer and Davoth looking the same goes.

Davoth is the creator of everything. It’s confirmed that he wasn’t the Dark Lord to begin with but was instead the creator of all things. He created the Maykr’s and thus Khan Maykr, the Father, and Samur who went on to overthrow him. In response he developed his sadistic ways and was imprisoned in Hell to serve there until he was reduced to a life sphere by some means I’m unaware of. The Khan Maykr’s rise to power is a little more murky but it seems like she overthrew the Father just as the Father did to Davoth. This could be in the lore and I just missed it but it’s likely Davoth was the one who assisted Khan in overthrowing The Father and reducing him to a life sphere.

This is the part I’m most sure on though. Before Davoth was betrayed by Khan he told her of a “chosen one” that would someday bring her reign of power to an end. He created Doom Slayer in HIS image just like the God in the Christian Bible created humans in HIS image. This sent her in a frenzy looking for the Slayer which resulted in experiments on the ACTUAL Slayer causing him to be as powerful as he is in gameplay (he was the only one of the sentinels who actually survived the experiments). I think Davoth literally recreated himself to a near tee so that he could get his revenge on the Khan Maykr through him and feel satisfaction that the last face she would see would be Davoth’s through Doom Slayer. The irony in it is that Davoth’s face would also be the last thing he himself sees through the very thing he created to get his revenge.

Judging by the lore of Part II though it also makes it unlikely that Davoth was the one who cried out “NOOOO” at the death of Khan in the main campaign and could’ve instead been either The Father or a being from another reality that the Khan had made a deal with like she did with Davoth. It’s interesting to think about but the different realms introduced in Eternal will likely be what leads into Doom 3 and won’t actually be focused on killing demons. At least not demons from hell.

Wasn't it stated somewhere in TAG Part 1's codex that the Dark Lord takes the form of whatever the demons fear most?

It's also worth mentioning that Davoth had no hand in having Doomguy arrive to Argent D'nur; the selection process for a candidate to become the Slayer was done at random, meaning that it was ultimately Davoth's rotten luck that Samur ended up selecting the one angry foreigner with a zero-tolerance policy towards anything remotely demonic in origin/allegiance/whatever.

Also, Hugo confirms that Davoth is only a Lucifer figure within Eternal's lore; there is indeed a being higher than him, and is also the one which the mysterious voice heard on Urdak belongs to.

doomguywhen1993 · Apr 10, 2021

I think Hugo stating that 2016 is a reboot makes me think these games were reboot first before the notion of Slayer being Doomguy came after.
Like how Doom 3 is clearly a reboot just retelling the premise of the originals.
Which explains why these games feel so different in a lot of ways and how i even suspected Slayer could be the OG Doomguy was by acknowledging the potential fanservice/memes involved or influenced in the new character.
Like, something "clicked" and i recognized it.
They also may be working on a comic to extend the story a bit more and confirmed that The Wretched that helped build the Praetor suit wasn't exactly thought out in Eternal.

The notion that the lore became a mess may not seem out of place in Doom of all things, but to me, it's also about the overall identity these games provide in the series.
Specially if a new game features new villains that aren't Hell anymore, because even Wolfenstein is still about the Nazis (Unless there's a plot about remaining demon leaders that i forgot about, like how there's someone above the Dark Lord, making me wonder if it's the 5 creatures from the concept art).
I assume an excuse to create newer worlds and factions is because how limited UAC and Hell can be, when the latter always had potential for variety that was not used much outside of fan wads and now has rules that technically weren't there before.
I feel like if a new game had a different canon, even if it was just a reiteration of the new stuff, some people probably wouldn't mind, as long as that game still had familiar gameplay elements and new ones as well.
Like, it wouldn't overwrite the Slayer games and it'd be an experimental spin-off, but i wonder whether or not people would prefer the "canon" in a reboot-ish spin-off over the main games, if differences included Samuel not being Seraphim or Hell being more mysterious and abstract.
Or if the Dark Lord was more of a reverse Doomguy, both design and gameplay-wise.
I know they're going to make either more of these games or an expansion, so i hope they at least have more new and fresh gameplay ideas.
Specially without the season pass contract.

Also, here's that optional stuff again:

TerminatorLOL · Apr 10, 2021

PublicServant said:
Wasn't it stated somewhere in TAG Part 1's codex that the Dark Lord takes the form of whatever the demons fear most?

I looked and could not find it.

NonSpecificGuy · Apr 12, 2021

TerminatorLOL said:
I looked and could not find it.

I was the one who thought the same but looking into it I couldn’t find it either. I guess the fact that he says “you in their world” after all that stuff about only someone who could tame the demons could lead them made it seem like Davoth took on the form of whatever they feared most. At least to me.

Wonder Smash · Apr 14, 2021

Awesome to see Nintendo upload this trailer.

Experience the Entire DOOM Series on Nintendo Switch

Experience over two decades of legendary demon-slaying action from the entire DOOM series on the Nintendo Switch system!Get up to 50% off on these titles bef...

youtu.be

TerminatorLOL · Apr 14, 2021

NonSpecificGuy said:
I was the one who thought the same but looking into it I couldn’t find it either. I guess the fact that he says “you in their world” after all that stuff about only someone who could tame the demons could lead them made it seem like Davoth took on the form of whatever they feared most. At least to me.

It seems this "form they fear most" explanation is a case of the Mandela effect. Cause I've seen other people offering this explanation without being able to cite it.

Honestly, I wish it was the reason. Since it's simple and would imply Doomguy is only special because of what he has accomplished and not because destiny.

But Hugo is implying it has something to with primevals or something now.

Wonder Smash · Apr 15, 2021

Decided to post my ideas for Doom, B.J. Blazkowicz and Commander Keen Spirit Battles on this thread. I had originally posted these on the Spirit Battle topic but I've updated it since then.

Spirit Battle ideas

Spirit: Constance von Nuvelle Type: Shield Class: :starman::starman: Slots: 2 Ability: Magic Attack + Opponent: :ultzelda:(blue) Conditions: The floor is frozen The enemy favors special moves The enemy tends to avoid conflict when badly damaged Stage: :frigate: (Battlefield) Music: Bloody...

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Spirit: Imp (DOOM Series)
Opponent: (red)x4
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

The enemy favors neutral specials
The enemy has increased move speed

Stage: Mars
Music: Imps Song

Spirit: Lost Soul (DOOM Series)
Opponent:

(red)x4
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

The enemy favors dashing attacks
The enemy has increased move speed

Stage: Castle Siege (underground cavern)
Music: The Demons from Adrians Pen

Spirit: Pinky (DOOM Series)
Opponent:

(classic red)x3
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

The enemy can deal damage by dashing into you
The enemy favors neutral specials
The enemy has increased attack power

Stage: Frigate Orpheon
Music: Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names)

Spirit: Cacodemon (DOOM Series)
Opponent:

(red)x2
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

The enemy favors neutral specials
The enemy's neutral special have increased power.

Stage: Frigate Orpheon
Music: On the Hunt

Spirit: Cyberdemon (DOOM Series)
Opponent: Giant

(black)
Rank: :starman:

The enemy will start the battle with an enhanced Super Scope
Certain items (Super Scopes) will appear in large numbers
The enemy has increased move speed after a little while

Stage: Norfair (Ω)
Music: Nobody Told Me About Id

Spirit: Spider Mastermind (DOOM Series)
Opponent:

(pink)
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

Hostile assist trophies (Mother Brain) will appear during battle
The enemy's ranged weapons have increased power
The enemy's FS Meter charges quickly

Stage: Brinstar Depths (Ω)
Music: Facing the Spider

Spirit: B.J. Blazkowicz (Wolfenstein Series)
Opponent:

(classic bronze)
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

The enemy starts the battle with a Super Scope
The enemy's ranged weapons have increased power

Stage: Shadow Moses Island
Music: Hiding the Secrets

Spirit: Commander Keen (Commander Keen Series)
Opponent:

Rank:

Conditions:

The enemy starts the battle with a Ray Gun
The enemy has increased jump power
The floor is electrified

Stage: Mario Bros. (Battlefield form)
Music: WarioWare, Inc.

Spirit: Dopefish (Commander Keen Series)
Opponent:

(green)
Rank: :starman:

Conditions:

The enemy is giant
The enemy favors neutral specials

Stage: Summit (water level)
Music: Underwater Theme (Super Mario Bros.)

Ridley_Prime · Apr 20, 2021

‘Meg 2’ Director Ben Wheatley Wants to Direct a ‘DOOM’ Movie https://t.co/kI9e6sZfSo
— Bloody Disgusting (@BDisgusting) April 20, 2021

Here we go again? Can't be any worse than the last attempt if it happens. A movie actually having the Slayer though (although the first one did alright for a loose adaptation of the Doom 3 era), would already be a step up from what we've had.

TerminatorLOL · Apr 21, 2021

The only way I can see a Doom movie really working, is if you make it like Hardcore Henry. An action packed spectacle with minimal plot. Basically that like that first person scene from Doom 3...but make the whole movie that.

PublicServant · Apr 21, 2021

TerminatorLOL said:
The only way I can see a Doom movie really working, is if you make it like Hardcore Henry. An action packed spectacle with minimal plot. Basically that like that first person scene from Doom 3...but make the whole movie that.

That, or make it into a longform TV series, where the action can be delivered in digestible chunks and you have plenty of time to cook more longform plot threads in the oven.

doomguywhen1993 · Apr 24, 2021

I wonder if anyone has thought of integrating the Sentinel Hammer into Doomguy's moveset and also the dizzy star effects.
On the subject of making a Doom movie or show, it would work more if it was a violent cartoon instead of live action.
You could integrate iconic designs, scenarios resembling designs from levels, even some low framerate animation to mimick sprite animation, bits of art style like Doomguy's "flat top" on his head and on top of that, take advantage of the gameplay variety in the series like horror moments with Archviles, someone running on lava with the radsuit running out, a UAC team in a puzzle death maze, something with platforming and actions.
You can use side characters while Doomguy is written like a mix of "Hell's own doom" and "Doomed space marine" because i think that dynamic works from him.
And aside from first person shots, also shots inside Doomguy's helmet showing off the hud, as a reference to both the classic Doom hud and i guess those MCU Iron Man scenes.
I think whether or not a Doom adaption can work also depents on who is willing to take the series seriously (Not in a literal sense by removing humor or campyness) or explore it beyond the surface, because Doom has a fanbase that did a lot of cool stuff and projects.
And if the series' universe seems limited, that's partially why i think of borrowing ideas from multiple games and obscure sources instead of just a particular game or two.
Or even use some unused content like the generic marine team from the cancelled Doom 4 or something with those cut Doom 64 enemies.
It being animated adds a bit of irony considering the B-Movie DNA in both the setting and the original "aesthetic".

In other news, Doom Eternal is rerunning its first event so players have another chance to get those skins, though like how 2016 simply just gave away its DLC for free, i feel like next time they could do something more permanent for that content, even if that would make more sense when id stops supporting Eternal.
Something so both the game and its contents have preservation and accessiblity in mind, considering the way how id stands against other AAA companies, the series it's part of and the name "Eternal".
And the new wad for the console ports is Syringe.

Ridley_Prime · Apr 29, 2021

DOOM Eternal's Toys Are Being Made Into Real-Life Collectibles https://t.co/jb3jd48joF #NintendoSwitch #DOOM #Merchandise #Toys pic.twitter.com/WQHdqbv57f
— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) April 29, 2021

This is cool. Keep the Doom merch coming.

Wonder Smash · Apr 29, 2021

Ridley_Prime said:
DOOM Eternal's Toys Are Being Made Into Real-Life Collectibles https://t.co/jb3jd48joF #NintendoSwitch #DOOM #Merchandise #Toys pic.twitter.com/WQHdqbv57f
— Nintendo Life (@nintendolife) April 29, 2021

This is cool. Keep the Doom merch coming.

I kind of want to get those. Or at least, the Doom Slayer figure.

Wonder Smash · May 5, 2021

I've finally decided to get Doom Eternal for the Switch.

doomguywhen1993 · May 7, 2021

Those figures look great and could be the best ones yet.
It also seems that the other ones will still be based off classic originating enemies with the Marauder being the true new one.
Unless we just haven't seen others like the Whiplash or Prowler, but i know that the Pain Elemental and Shotgunner aren't that too.
Something i haven't seen brought here was the news with some old skins being resold but i assume some here were already informed.
Or the Commander Keen event, i suppose.
I think i recall something about the Taras Nabad Master Level and some of the later ones being based off DLC missions, but that's just me recalling someone else saying stuff, because i haven't paid attention to the latest streams.
Oh and Bethesda's twitter posted a Star Wars tweet and id posted one about 10,000 days of Doom.

SirLordCapybara · May 8, 2021

Hello, I'd like to voice my support for Doomguy to get into Smash. He's a gaming icon that certainly deserves it!

I do have a question though. What would his stage be? I'd think a lot of the iconic ones would be difficult to put into the game due to all the corpses dotted around.

Wonder Smash · May 8, 2021

SirLordCapybara said:
Hello, I'd like to voice my support for Doomguy to get into Smash. He's a gaming icon that certainly deserves it!

I do have a question though. What would his stage be? I'd think a lot of the iconic ones would be difficult to put into the game due to all the corpses dotted around.

I say Mars, based on the design from the 2016 game. Out of all the locations in the series, it's probably the safest one to have in a Smash game.

GolisoPower · May 9, 2021

SirLordCapybara said:
Hello, I'd like to voice my support for Doomguy to get into Smash. He's a gaming icon that certainly deserves it!

I do have a question though. What would his stage be? I'd think a lot of the iconic ones would be difficult to put into the game due to all the corpses dotted around.

I'd pick the Tower of Babel from Doom I. It's a fairly simple, easy-to-adapt part of Doom that's home to one of the more memorable boss fights of that game (The Cyberdemon). I dunno if they'll actually call it "Tower of Babel" in the West (Maybe something called "Cyberdemon's Fortress" or something), but hey, we'd be bringing demons into Smash, so whatever, right?

TerminatorLOL · May 9, 2021

SirLordCapybara said:
Hello, I'd like to voice my support for Doomguy to get into Smash. He's a gaming icon that certainly deserves it!

I do have a question though. What would his stage be? I'd think a lot of the iconic ones would be difficult to put into the game due to all the corpses dotted around.

I'd pick first level from Doom Eternal. A destroyed city filled with hell fire and lava. The background would have inactive mechas, titans carrying those fortresses on their backs, the Deag Citadel, and flying Cacodemons. Also have some Imps scurrying around maybe infighting with some Arachnotrons.

PublicServant · May 9, 2021

SirLordCapybara said:
Hello, I'd like to voice my support for Doomguy to get into Smash. He's a gaming icon that certainly deserves it!

I do have a question though. What would his stage be? I'd think a lot of the iconic ones would be difficult to put into the game due to all the corpses dotted around.

I'd make it a stage with a variable background, much like the Minecraft stage; same overall layout, but with unique backgrounds based on the different levels from Doom Eternal... and one or more classic Doom backgrounds for legacies sake (maybe even a Doom 64 one).

And yes, the Sentinel Prime, Urdak and Final Sin backgrounds would play host as boss arenas.

Wonder Smash · May 11, 2021

I was thinking that to add a little bit more nostalgia to Doom Slayer's Smash design, they should add the low-pitch beep sound from the classic Doom games where he picks up ammo. That sound could be used for if he were to have a weapon crafting feature to signify when he has selected a weapon. Just some nostalgia thrown in for fans of the series.

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