At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

Davidius · Jun 28, 2021

ThunderSageNun said:
Dragonborn costume now, and no sign of Doom representation yet.

I've come to believe that the DLC content for this game was decided well in advance, likely before the game launched and they're just fulfilling a roadmap. Doomguy wasn't that popular a request until more recently so it wouldn't surprise me if there is nothing Doom related added.

regulus tera · Jun 28, 2021

Bethesda getting two Mii costumes and no fighters is a bit sus.

Yes, I know they are owned by Microsoft, but this type of negotiation usually takes a while. Bethesda didn't get formally bought until a few months ago.

Davidius · Jun 28, 2021

regulus tera said:
Bethesda getting two Mii costumes and no fighters is a bit sus.

Yes, I know they are owned by Microsoft, but this type of negotiation usually takes a while. Bethesda didn't get formally bought until a few months ago.

It's not really any different from Ubisoft who have had content since Smash 4.

regulus tera · Jun 28, 2021

Davidius said:
It's not really any different from Ubisoft who have had content since Smash 4.

That's kind of the point though. They had negotiations with Ubisoft for a while now and a clearly established line of communication between France and Sakurai. Whereas they had to go out of their way to do so for Bethesda.

I'm not even convinced that Doomguy will be a fighter. Maybe the gore really is a restriction (even though I disagree, but whatever). That said, I see no way Doomguy isn't either a spirit event or a Mii costume. Sakurai is obviously knowledgeable of Bethesda stuff.

cmbsfm · Jun 28, 2021

It would be pretty surprising if Doom ends being absent while Skyrim and Fallout have costumes. Hopefully Doom gets something.

Cahalan · Jun 28, 2021

I really wanna see DOOM get something in Smash, even if it's just a Mii Costume that comes with E1M1. That would be enough for me especially if the next character isn't Doom Slayer or even Master Chief (despite the latter never having a single appearance on a Nintendo Console that isn't Fortnite or Minecraft).

Older rumors have long speculated that Ryu Hayabusa is being considered, and while I'd also like that, it's still a toss-up between many viable contenders that have at least one appearance on Nintendo Hardware and play a considerable role in said appearance(s).

Wonder Smash · Jun 29, 2021

偶然知ったのですが、Bethesda Softworksが35周年ですと。
Happy Anniversary!! pic.twitter.com/Sfo8afnlCm
— 桜井政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) June 29, 2021

Nice to see Sakurai acknowledge this.

Baba · Jun 29, 2021

Wonder Smash said:
https://twitter.com/Sora_Sakurai/status/1409708765809561604

Nice to see Sakurai acknowledge this.

Yeah for sure. Bethesda seems to be on very good terms with Sakurai and the team. Fingers crossed.
I do think that at the very least Doom will get a Mii costume which I suppose would be better than nothing. Doomguy himself would be such an amazing finale though.

Ridley_Prime · Jun 29, 2021

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🆓Free next-gen update offers three new graphics modes (including Ray Tracing & 4K at 60 FPS)
👿 Taras Nabad Master Level
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— DOOM (@DOOM) June 29, 2021

Reducing the amount of health the Dark Lord regains after hitting you is nice, among other qol improvements. And yeah, at this point I'm cool with a Mii Gunner Doomguy that comes with an iconic track like E1M1 or something if nothing else.

Davidius · Jun 29, 2021

Ridley_Prime said:
🔥 Update 6 is available now 🔥
🆓Free next-gen update offers three new graphics modes (including Ray Tracing & 4K at 60 FPS)
👿 Taras Nabad Master Level
👿 New BATTLEMODE Arena: Corrosion
📰 Release Notes: https://t.co/BLFAMOSpua pic.twitter.com/F4LuDCSrnC
— DOOM (@DOOM) June 29, 2021

Reducing the amount of health the Dark Lord regains after hitting you is nice, among other qol improvements. And yeah, at this point I'm cool with a Mii Gunner Doomguy that comes with an iconic track like E1M1 or something if nothing else.

I don't see a track happening as they've foregone their inclusion with other big publishers. Music licensing with them must be a lot more effort than indies, even the Skyrim theme sounds like they had to specifically remove the lyrics and that's for something only used in a trailer.

Ridley_Prime · Jun 29, 2021

Doom doesn’t have lyrics though, but yeah, can see that happening too. Doom’s 2016 resurgence may have just come too late for it to be on Smash’s radar period.

AnEasterEgg · Jun 29, 2021

I wish all the Mii fighters came with music. That's a lot more significant to me than most of the costumes themselves, bar the few that actually look good. I probably would buy them by default if they all included music.

Megadoomer · Jun 29, 2021

AnEasterEgg said:
I wish all the Mii fighters came with music. That's a lot more significant to me than most of the costumes themselves, bar the few that actually look good. I probably would buy them by default if they all included music.

Yeah, it would be great if Miis either came with a song from their series and/or (if they don't have one in the game already) a spirit/trophy - it would definitely give a greater incentive to get them. (I get that, in the case of Fallout, there might be licensing issues since it uses a lot of licensed music, but I'm sure there's an instrumental or original piece that they could have used)

ThunderSageNun · Jun 29, 2021

Yeah, I can't say thinking I'm playing as a character that I wanted that couldn't quite make it with a bootleg looking version of themselves does anything for me. Now if it came with a track, that's another story.
I can still appreciate Smash recognizing a franchise by means other than a playable characters, but miis are by far my least favorite of the bunch, I could never stand them.

Wonder Smash · Jun 29, 2021

It's pretty much one of the things that disappoint me about Mii costumes.

What I also find frustrating is that they play these themes in the trailers. I mean, they're really going to tease us like that? Come on!

I do wish Mii costumes overall had better treatment. Not only do they not always come with music and never come with spirits, but you can't even play them in Classic Mode (even though you could in Smash 4).

Baba · Jun 30, 2021

Ridley_Prime said:
Doom doesn’t have lyrics though, but yeah, can see that happening too. Doom’s 2016 resurgence may have just come too late for it to be on Smash’s radar period.

I think (or at least hope) that Doomguy's legacy is important enough to carry him.
The newer entries in the series are awesome, but the first Doom is one of the most important video games ever made. I'm holding out hope that even if Doomguy's more recent spike in popularity came a bit too late, his legacy and importance to the industry put him on Nintendo and Sakurai's radar.

Oracle Link · Jun 30, 2021

So how many of you know this Mushroom?

Believe me he fits into this thread hehehe!

ivanlerma · Jun 30, 2021

Oracle Link said:
So how many of you know this Mushroom?

Believe me he fits into this thread hehehe!

Oh B'oy, Howdy. It's Shroomy from SMG4

Davidius · Jun 30, 2021

Just played the new Taras Nabad master level and it's the first time in Eternal where I've felt so consistently screwed by the level geometry. It makes me appreciate the destroyer blade a lot more. I hope the next levels come a little bit more quickly now that the campaign DLC is over and the next-gen upgrades are out. There's still the Invasion mode thing somewhere down the pipeline IIRC and I'm interested to see how that will work, a demon player by themselves doesn't stand much of a chance.

Apparently Xbox's official twitch channel streams Quake Champions pro league now, and it being the 25th anniversary of Quake maybe they have some bigger plans for it. I don't really know how significant that is because I don't follow twitch stuff though. It reminds me to check out some new Q1 maps this weekend. Got to build the pipedream of Doom and Quake getting stuff in Smash. That's if they don't cut Snake again and put me back to square 1. Getting Snake back and Doomguy in the next game would have me totally set until I find something else to hopelessly wish for.

Lyndis_ · Jul 1, 2021

AnEasterEgg said:
I wish all the Mii fighters came with music. That's a lot more significant to me than most of the costumes themselves, bar the few that actually look good. I probably would buy them by default if they all included music.

I honestly wonder why Nintendo even invests money into making the models for Mii costumes without the songs or anything instead of skins for existing characters when so few people use them. Do they really sell that well?

Baba · Jul 1, 2021

Not trying to be pessimistic, but if we were to just get a Mii costume, how would you guys want it to work?

He could definitely be either a Swordfighter with the Crucible or a Gunner with the Plasma gun or something.
And if it came with a song, which would you prefer?

I think gunner would be more appropriate, but I love the design of the crucible so I'd be okay with swordfighter.
I'd definitely want BFG Division or The Only Thing They Fear is You if it came with a music track.

Megadoomer · Jul 1, 2021

If he gets a Mii costume, I'd think it would be gunner - I figure that a Plasma Rifle would be better suited to the Mii Gunner's attacks, but the Super Shotgun (or the regular shotgun) is so heavily associated with the character.

I don't think he'd come with a song (so far, the only times where that's happened were when an indie character was being added in), but if he did (I feel like they should do that more often), I'd be torn between At Doom's Gate or BFG Division. I guess it depends on whether they'd go with his classic or modern look for the costume.

M00NFIRE94 · Jul 1, 2021

Were he to get a Mii, I'd want it to be a Deluxe and it's one of those action figures of himself he collects. It'd be adorably awesome.

Ridley_Prime · Jul 1, 2021

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Will have to try out the master level for Taras Nabad later. Hopefully it isn't buggy enough to stop me from progressing through like the Super Gore Nest master level was before the fixes.

ThunderSageNun · Jul 1, 2021

M00NFIRE94 said:
Were he to get a Mii, I'd want it to be a Deluxe and it's one of those action figures of himself he collects. It'd be adorably awesome.

I'm down for that! It sounds like a cool way to have him in the game even if it isn't quite playable, definitely a notch above the cheap looking average mii costumes. I don't see how the slayer would be anything but a gunner given the series is, you know, a FPS?

Wonder Smash · Jul 2, 2021

Baba said:
Not trying to be pessimistic, but if we were to just get a Mii costume, how would you guys want it to work?

He could definitely be either a Swordfighter with the Crucible or a Gunner with the Plasma gun or something.
And if it came with a song, which would you prefer?

I think gunner would be more appropriate, but I love the design of the crucible so I'd be okay with swordfighter.
I'd definitely want BFG Division or The Only Thing They Fear is You if it came with a music track.

Definitely a gunner. He's a first-person shooter icon after all.

M00NFIRE94 said:
Were he to get a Mii, I'd want it to be a Deluxe and it's one of those action figures of himself he collects. It'd be adorably awesome.

That's a good idea. Nintendo should definitely consider that.

Davidius · Jul 2, 2021

Looks like the answer to how they're going to implement Invasion is that they're not, they've given up on it in favour of developing an official Horde Mode

https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/3uu274Pti8Ycp1QZmHj4Dz/doom-eternal-development-update-june-2021

Ridley_Prime · Jul 2, 2021

For the best if you ask me. Had invasion mode been put out earlier it would’ve worked well, but now it would be kinda late for it to have the same impact, with the less amount of people that still play the campaign at this point. A horde mode would get more people back on the game, which I guess they realized.

SpectreJordan · Jul 2, 2021

Davidius said:
I've come to believe that the DLC content for this game was decided well in advance, likely before the game launched and they're just fulfilling a roadmap. Doomguy wasn't that popular a request until more recently so it wouldn't surprise me if there is nothing Doom related added.

Maybe that’s the case for the fighters, but I don’t think it is for the Mii fighters.

It seems to me that the Dante Mii costume only happened because of the surge in requests he received. That didn’t really happen until late 2019/early 2020. They finally saw that he was a hugely popular request but it was too late to make him a fighter.

So it’s definitely possible that Doom Slayer can get atleast a Mii costume.

Ridley_Prime said:
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Will have to try out the master level for Taras Nabad later. Hopefully it isn't buggy enough to stop me from progressing through like the Super Gore Nest master level was before the fixes.

Doom: Eternal’s been getting an odd amount of Japanese merch. There’s the Nendoroid & now this. Maybe this can mean good things for the Slayer’s chances in the next Smash.

Inferno7 · Jul 2, 2021

Haven't really played Doom as of now, but I'm planning to buy a game at some point. Needless to say I'm all for a badass demon killer marine getting into Smash, also the soundtracks.

About his chances, I have my doubts, as he seems to be more of a western focused pick but there is acknowledgment towards Bethesda by Nintendo's part, as shown with the Vault Boy and Dragonborn costumes.
I find it kind of suspicious that we didn't get anything DOOM related as far as DLC goes, whether it be a costume or a full fighter, I get the feeling we'll get content at some point.

doomguywhen1993 · Jul 3, 2021

Dovahkiin may either make things better or worse, depending on how you look at it but man, Dante sounds sad and almost a sign.
I’m also surprised he’s based off the DMC1 design instead of either 3 or 5, so that means a potential Doomguy Mii costume could be classic.
In other news, the new Eternal update is out, including ray tracing, balance changes, a new Master Level and a new BattleMode map.
Even if Invasion mode was potentially cancelled, i’m still interested in horde mode, since that feature makes so much sense and i hope it includes new things, like new monsters or abilities.
Wonder if even Quake could get something in Smash just because.
I was also thinking about the MicroSoft acquisition of ZeniMax and how that could affect potential open source stuff (I recall that Carmack actually released the Linux version of Doom’s source code because the original one was using some sound related properties, so the first source port being DOSDoom restored said properties and became a base for later source ports… well, something like that but still, it appears that Linux could be to thank for).
Also, besides the Isabelle crossover art, has there ever been Doomguy interacting with the Broodals?
That GoodSmile figure looks good.

IzukuXYang4Life · Jul 3, 2021

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I'm really hoping Doom Guy is the final character in the second fighter pass.

Since Pass 2 doesn't have an M Rated Character yet and the Bethesda Representation is good sign of Doom Guy making his way over to Smash Ultimate.

Warumian · Jul 3, 2021

Don't see doomguy happening after de deconfirmation, but is my most wanted character rn, Doom is probably one of the few "most important videogames of all time" still not represented in the game (Space Invaders come to mind, I think Tetris has music? or a Visual Novel rep). If he really comes to the game I think it would be fitting to have other ID Software characters as his mii wave (BJ, Commander keen, Quake's ranger) or even some 90s shooters protagonist like Duke Nukem. (This would be a wet dream ngl)

I would be happy with a mii costume though, either way I got my most requested character in the game Simon Belmont so I can't complain.

Baba · Jul 3, 2021

Warumian said:
Don't see doomguy happening after de deconfirmation, but is my most wanted character rn, Doom is probably one of the few "most important videogames of all time" still not represented in the game (Space Invaders come to mind, I think Tetris has music? or a Visual Novel rep). If he really comes to the game I think it would be fitting to have other ID Software characters as his mii wave (BJ, Commander keen, Quake's ranger) or even some 90s shooters protagonist like Duke Nukem. (This would be a wet dream ngl)

I would be happy with a mii costume though, either way I got my most requested character in the game Simon Belmont so I can't complain.

I agree about Doom probably being the most important video game not yet included.
Older games like Space Invaders and Asteroid are pretty important too, but they feel more like assist trophy material.

I'm also not incredibly hopeful for Doomguy's chances but I hope we're both wrong.

Wonder Smash · Jul 3, 2021

As much as I think Doomguy would be a great character for Smash, I do feel that Bethesda/Zenimax having content in this game that's not in the form of a playable character indicates that there won't be one. However, he should at least be a Mii costume. At this point, I'm kind of a surprised Vault Boy and Dragonborn already got in like that before him.

Warumian · Jul 3, 2021

Baba said:
I agree about Doom probably being the most important video game not yet included.
Older games like Space Invaders and Asteroid are pretty important too, but they feel more like assist trophy material.

I'm also not incredibly hopeful for Doomguy's chances but I hope we're both wrong.

Yeah, but I was talking about representation in general (spirits, mii costumes, assist trophies, music, a boss, etc.), that's because is kinda weird for me that Vault Boy got a mii costume before doomguy.

Baba · Jul 4, 2021

Warumian said:
Yeah, but I was talking about representation in general (spirits, mii costumes, assist trophies, music, a boss, etc.), that's because is kinda weird for me that Vault Boy got a mii costume before doomguy.

Yeah definitely. It would be very bizarre if we didn't even end up with a spirit at the end of all this. Especially with the entire Doom franchise on the Switch. If something as random as Warframe can get spirits, it'd just be bizarre if Doom didn't get a mention.

Warumian · Jul 4, 2021

Baba said:
Especially with the entire Doom franchise on the Switch.

Also Doom has a legacy on Nintendo consoles (2 ports on snes and GBA and a console exclusive for a long time), much like Resident Evil which actually got spirits

CommanderZaktan · Jul 22, 2021

New free add-on is available on the Switch

Doom and Doom II add Earthless: Prelude on Switch as new free add-on https://t.co/boafw0pUzm pic.twitter.com/hWETaOCxRP
— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) July 22, 2021

Aside from PC, does this add on also appear on other platforms or just the Switch?

Ridley_Prime · Jul 22, 2021

I think the other consoles as well for those who got the newer releases of Doom 1 and 2. Not like the 360 arcade ports of them though.

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