At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

[doomguywhen1993]

I feel like Eternal having a "sock paper scissor" sort of style combat may seem weird but seems like an example of the game being aware of its problems and finding ways to fix something and make it work, even if it seems weird.
The games are built in a way where they know they can't replicate the simplicity (with some complexity) classic Doom's have (And in some ways, don't need to) so they focus more on a specific different direction and you get new ups and downs from it.

That D64 developers book makes me wonder about new interesting stuff and it reminded of when one of the devs showed up in a Doomworld thread about unused levels of 64 (I think the download link of them may not work now).
That Hayden design made me wonder if the intention was to make it fit the classic Doom art style, like "what if Adrian Carmack or Gregor Punchatz did a cyber robot thing with a man's brain that turned out to [SPOILERS] back then?".
Kinda reminds me of a custom sprite someone made of a robotic version of an Archvile with Hayden's face in it.
On Steam, Doom Eternal has some new achievements, possibly because of the Ancient Gods DLC coming soon.
Not sure if it was mentioned here but the official Unity ports were updated to support Dehacked, increasing the support for some mods to some degree.
Speaking of cursed stuff, MarphyBlack made a video where he tested Impse dot wad with the ports.
Doomkid also had some videos explaining stuff like what not to do when making a map and some corrections on a video GGGManlives made about the official ports (Because he got a lot of stuff wrong).

Also, here's an unused font for Doom during development: https://twitter.com/romero/status/542957742676512770
Something cool i saw too were these Hideous Destructor addons by DrPySpy https://twitter.com/DrPyspy/status/1301851556803784704 and https://twitter.com/DrPyspy/status/1301853088634994690
There's also the Vinyl release of Quake's soundtrack https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1306279981459308546
Also, voxel Mastermind https://twitter.com/DanielWienerson/status/1304682519816597505

 

[cmbsfm]

We’ve went three partner showcases without a Switch port release date. What gives?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

We’ve went three partner showcases without a Switch port release date. What gives?

Especially considering that Moon Studios overcame limitations for Will of the Wisps that Panic Button should not be having any trouble with. At least there's still a few months left for Partners this year.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Okay, there's finally an update on the situation...

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...ill_happening_id_software_says_its_very_close

...and they still don't give out any concrete release date period other than "soon".

 

[YsDisciple]

Okay, there's finally an update on the situation...

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...ill_happening_id_software_says_its_very_close

...and they still don't give out any concrete release date period other than "soon".

It's interesting how Marty mentions that their trying to make the Switch version the "best it can be" (as in, the best version among all?). I wonder if this version will in fact include Nintendo IP-themed collectibles. At this point the longer this game goes unannounced, the more likely it seems (imo) to be tied to a Smash reveal (DOOM Slayer).

 

[Voe]

It's interesting how Marty mentions that their trying to make the Switch version the "best it can be" (as in, the best version among all?). I wonder if this version will in fact include Nintendo IP-themed collectibles. At this point the longer this game goes unannounced, the more likely it seems (imo) to be tied to a Smash reveal (DOOM Slayer).

"Nintendo IP-themed collectibles" like a hidden Isabelle figure in one of the levels perhaps?

 

[YsDisciple]

"Nintendo IP-themed collectibles" like a hidden Isabelle figure in one of the levels perhaps?

Yeah. Something along the lines of that.

• Isabelle doll collectible
• Geno doll collectible
• Varia Suit-themed Praetor Suit
• Brand new Bowser-look-a-like demon boss fight

 

[Wonder Smash]

It's interesting how Marty mentions that their trying to make the Switch version the "best it can be" (as in, the best version among all?). I wonder if this version will in fact include Nintendo IP-themed collectibles. At this point the longer this game goes unannounced, the more likely it seems (imo) to be tied to a Smash reveal (DOOM Slayer).

Not trying to dash your hopes but they said that Panic Button is working on the game from home, which is likely because of the whole COVID thing going on, so I'm pretty sure that's playing a part in why it's taking a while and not because they're waiting until a Smash reveal.

Nintendo IP-themed collectibles would be cool, though.

 

[PatPrime]

Not trying to dash your hopes but they said that Panic Button is working on the game from home, which is likely because of the whole COVID thing going on, so I'm pretty sure that's playing a part in why it's taking a while and not because they're waiting until a Smash reveal.

Nintendo IP-themed collectibles would be cool, though.

Yeah we know that not every game release means a Smash reveal alongside it is gonna be a thing but with how complete and utter ass 2020 has been, it's good to have some hope even after the Marty Stratton interview from January.

I do want to see a Samus skin in Doom Eternal though. I need it.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In any case, they have no reason to hide the release date for so long, when even Ori and the Will of the Wisps got announced sooner. They could have just said "Q4 2020/early 2021" if working from home was such a concern, instead of being unnecessarily vague.

 

[PublicServant]

I do want to see a Samus skin in Doom Eternal though. I need it.

I mean, would this Bethesda-promoted art count?:

Now THIS is a dope crossover, right!?

Check out @The_MonsterWolf's amazing art featuring Samus Aran as a Knight Sentinel from DOOM Eternal. The Marauder was never going to stand a chance 😶#DOOMEternal #DOOM pic.twitter.com/ZLVUW83jHa

— Bethesda ANZ & SE Asia (@Bethesda_ANZ) September 18, 2020

 

[PatPrime]

I mean, would this Bethesda-promoted art count?:

Now THIS is a dope crossover, right!?

Check out @The_MonsterWolf's amazing art featuring Samus Aran as a Knight Sentinel from DOOM Eternal. The Marauder was never going to stand a chance 😶#DOOMEternal #DOOM pic.twitter.com/ZLVUW83jHa

— Bethesda ANZ & SE Asia (@Bethesda_ANZ) September 18, 2020

Now THIS is cool as ****. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[ceterisparibus]

It's interesting how Marty mentions that their trying to make the Switch version the "best it can be" (as in, the best version among all?). I wonder if this version will in fact include Nintendo IP-themed collectibles. At this point the longer this game goes unannounced, the more likely it seems (imo) to be tied to a Smash reveal (DOOM Slayer).

In any case, they have no reason to hide the release date for so long, when even Ori and the Will of the Wisps got announced sooner. They could have just said "Q4 2020/early 2021" if working from home was such a concern, instead of being unnecessarily vague.

Occam's razor probably points towards some kind of porting issues (especially since Ori was literally available the same day + less graphically intensive than DOOM). I'm going to guess they want a quick simultaneous release from ready port to being gold (and hence would want to wait) or that development has been halted due to some huge issues (unlikely).

 

[SneakyLink]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

 

[ivanlerma]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

uh oh

 

[Papa Pope]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

Your move Sony.

 

[PatPrime]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

I'm assuming this means the Switch port of Doom is still a thing like how The Outer Worlds still released on PS4 and Switch after the Obisidian buyout. I hope...

With Smash, any deals Nintendo made for FP2 are still gonna be safe but after Ultimate, yeah...

 

[cmbsfm]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

Eh, I could still see Bethesda games showing up on the Switch.

 

[PublicServant]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

Minecraft (amongst other games) would beg to differ.

Besides, I think Microsoft have moved away from this whole "console war" stratagem in favour of establishing Xbox as a multi-device platform.

 

[Deleted member]

Microsoft has acquired ZeniMax Media, Bethesda Studios parent company.

For now, nothing is changing, but in the future, franchises such as Doom, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout will be exclusive to Xbox and PC.

Now Bethesda characters are now Microsoft characters, this is going to be a tough competition between Doom Guy (or any characters from Bethesda) and Master Chief.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Phil Spencer does not say Bethesda games will now be exclusive to Xbox, but I wonder if they need to be.

$70 on PS4. Or available on Xbox day one as part of Game Pass.

— Tom Phillips (@tomphillipsEG) September 21, 2020

oh thank god

 

[PatPrime]

I appreciate Microsoft's game plan here. They are really trying to be pro-consumer in a lot of ways for this upcoming generation. If I were interested in getting a PS5 or Xbox Series X or S, I would go with Xbox here.

 

[SharkLord]

Welp, that was an interesting turn of events. Do you think Eternal's devs were intentionally stalling and finding ways to delay the Switch port because they weren't sure if they could release it after the impending buyout? From what I can gather, they still can, but would they have known that before then?

 

[Davidius]

Independent of Smash/Doom I see this kind of consolidation as a bad thing overall, I don't predict much good will come from this.

 

[GolisoPower]

Yeah, I feel this is like Minecraft in the sense that Microsoft won't care which platforms their games release on from now on. Besides, after Cuphead, the Ori games, and Hellblade, I wouldn't put any stock in Xbox-exclusivity being a common thing with Bethesda. Besides, both Bethesda and Microsoft are on really friendly terms with Nintendo. At most, I'd like to imagine Microsoft encouraging, maybe even flat-out helping Bethesda put platforms on the Switch in the future.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I don't think MS will hold any of Zenimax properties exclusive to Xbox, but it sure would be nice if they could give Fallout/TES better QA teams.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Reminder that a certain mascot pair's games remained on Xbox, yet they still got in Smash anyway.

If they were first-party Sony characters, it would be a different story, but it's been established that Microsoft's friendly enough to lend their characters when the conditions are right.
But man, this is wild, the Slayer and MC support bases are on the same boat now.

 

[SharkLord]

Honestly, I don't think this would've affected the deals too much. It's not even gonna be finished until the summer of next year, and Microsoft wasn't credied for Vault Boy. I don't think this changes much on the DLC now; It's more of what's after that would be impacted.

In the meantime, Green Space Marine Team.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Came as soon as I heard..

I immediately thought, if Doomguy’s not in ULTIMATE, he’ll never be in Smash.
Not over MC anyway.
I still can’t believe this... what a horrible piece of news to wake up to. So no more Doom on Nintendo either?

 

[GolisoPower]

Came as soon as I heard..

I immediately thought, if Doomguy’s not in ULTIMATE, he’ll never be in Smash.
Not over MC anyway.
I still can’t believe this... what a horrible piece of news to wake up to. So no more Doom on Nintendo either?

Probably not. I mean, Microsoft's still honoring the PS5 exclusivity with Deathloop and Ghostwire, and if Mojang's anything to go by, ownership's not gonna stop them from being on other platforms. Long of the short of it? Doom on Nintendo is probably fine.

 

[SharkLord]

Came as soon as I heard..

I immediately thought, if Doomguy’s not in ULTIMATE, he’ll never be in Smash.
Not over MC anyway.
I still can’t believe this... what a horrible piece of news to wake up to. So no more Doom on Nintendo either?

I mean, they're letting Bethesda make two PS5 exclusives. It was stated that it would be a case-by-case basis after those, so it's probably a Minecraft situation.

 

[Davidius]

Came as soon as I heard..

I immediately thought, if Doomguy’s not in ULTIMATE, he’ll never be in Smash.
Not over MC anyway.
I still can’t believe this... what a horrible piece of news to wake up to. So no more Doom on Nintendo either?

This definitely hurts future prospects for Doom and Smash/Nintendo. It's simply the case that being owned by a direct competitor is a more precarious position than just another third party. Microsoft and Nintendo work together fine right now but it's totally possible for either company to take a different attitude in the near future. In general it's a worrying thing to have so many things controlled by a single entity (Windows+Xbox+major game titles), I don't see why some people are celebrating it.

 

[8-peacock-8]

This definitely hurts future prospects for Doom and Smash/Nintendo. It's simply the case that being owned by a direct competitor is a more precarious position than just another third party. Microsoft and Nintendo work together fine right now but it's totally possible for either company to take a different attitude in the near future. In general it's a worrying thing to have so many things controlled by a single entity (Windows+Xbox+major game titles), I don't see why some people are celebrating it.

Bethesda being forced to play test their games is a positive. Also not everyone celebrating cares about things like Smash.

Some are celebrating for petty reasons. (Console wars garbage)

Others probably just prefer Xbox and don’t really branch out to other consoles/PC and are probably happy at having other options on Xbox.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I mean, it's not like we've heard the other possible bidders for Zenimax were stuff like EA or Activision to consider Microsoft the lesser evil to acquire them (like I think it's happening with Warner Bros?). Time will tell if now their IPs lose their magic or only improve after the fact.

 

[Geassguy]

MS getting DOOM and the rest is likely a good thing. Zenimax was obscenely lazy, utterly incompetent, and greedy. MS is only really one of those things (greedy) and treats their properties with a lot more respect overall. Not to mention they don't release buggy POS games on the regular.

If you still think MS still cares about exclusives then you haven't been paying attention. I seriously doubt anything is going to change when it comes to DOOM and multi-platform availability.

 

[volbound1700]

MS getting DOOM and the rest is likely a good thing. Zenimax was obscenely lazy, utterly incompetent, and greedy. MS is only really one of those things (greedy) and treats their properties with a lot more respect overall. Not to mention they don't release buggy POS games on the regular.

If you still think MS still cares about exclusives then you haven't been paying attention. I seriously doubt anything is going to change when it comes to DOOM and multi-platform availability.

Critics would point out the Banjo-Kazooie and other Rare IP. Microsoft hasn't done anything with these IP.

 

[Geassguy]

Critics would point out the Banjo-Kazooie and other Rare IP. Microsoft hasn't done anything with these IP.

That may be changing (B&K in Smash, new Battletoads game). We don't even really know how much of Rare's decline was MS fault, from what it sounds like Nuts and Bolts was Rare's ideas. Either way I'd still say It's better than where zenimax was headed.

 

[GolisoPower]

That may be changing (B&K in Smash, new Battletoads game). We don't even really know how much of Rare's decline was MS fault, from what it sounds like Nuts and Bolts was Rare's ideas. Either way I'd still say It's better than where zenimax was headed.

Not sure if this helps, but it should provide context, right?

 

[Geassguy]

Not sure if this helps, but it should provide context, right?

Yeah that's pretty much what I was referring to.

 

[cmbsfm]

This does kinda hurt Doom for a future smash game in the sense that he now has competition from Master Chief, but we’ll see who gets in this pass first.