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- Thread starter Darxmarth23
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Nike.
Smash Hero
2 questions in the metaknight matchup.
How do punish dsmash if you shield it? Do you use a different move depending on different percents? Can you punish the same way if you shielded dsmash second hit (from behind him)?
If metaknight uses jab by accident, what's the best way to punish it (assuming you were standing close and got hit by it)?
How do punish dsmash if you shield it? Do you use a different move depending on different percents? Can you punish the same way if you shielded dsmash second hit (from behind him)?
If metaknight uses jab by accident, what's the best way to punish it (assuming you were standing close and got hit by it)?
FotuRAN
Smash Apprentice
Normally you have to punish him with dair OoS, if you shielded the second hit depends spacing, ftilt usually run to punish without take danger.
SDI to out, and punish with ftilt is the best option, you can hit him with a dair too
swordsaint
Smash Master
I'm pretty sure Falco's grab can beat MK's terribad jab.
Jon, if they're ducking your lasers in the middle of Yoshi's, you're doing it wrong. You're meant to camp the middle with lasers. Either way, if you find them getting the middle, the edges also ditch down, so your lasers can be lower and hit them anyway.
Jon, if they're ducking your lasers in the middle of Yoshi's, you're doing it wrong. You're meant to camp the middle with lasers. Either way, if you find them getting the middle, the edges also ditch down, so your lasers can be lower and hit them anyway.
d smash you can't can drop shield and dash attack, running up smash, and walk forward and grab. The second hit of d smash can also be punish by dash attack, running up smash, and possibly grab.
If Metaknight does jab by mistake you can grab him and maybe up smash. I'm sure you can punish it with much more moves, Metaknight's jab is very horrible.
FotuRAN
Smash Apprentice
Sometimes not xD, but if the MK has low percentage there to try, MK jab is ****ing random D:
swordsaint
Smash Master
I think you can Fsmash him out the jab too, tbh, if you're very quick.
Nike.
Smash Hero
Thank you guys very much. Falco boards are awesome with questions
swordsaint
Smash Master
Frame Breakdown:
Grounded Laser:
Hits on: 12
Airborne Laser:
First hits on frame 10
Shield stun: 5
Silent Laser lag: 2
Advantage: +3
Jump is airborne on: 7
SH airborne for: 37
SH fast fall airborne for: 27
You do the math.
Grounded Laser:
Hits on: 12
Airborne Laser:
First hits on frame 10
Shield stun: 5
Silent Laser lag: 2
Advantage: +3
Jump is airborne on: 7
SH airborne for: 37
SH fast fall airborne for: 27
You do the math.
swordsaint
Smash Master
You're not counting the cooldown after the laser. >_>
Denzi
Smash Master
Aerial lasers don't have cool down?
(well they do, but it gets canceled on landing)
swordsaint
Smash Master
Denzi, I'm talking between lasers. They don't streamline, so there's still frames between them. If there's not, please show me shtls. >_>
lol me too
DreadCthulhu
Smash Cadet
Why cant I post visitor messages (its a post number thing isnt it? how many do i need)
Denzi
Smash Master
(this really isn't a Falco question)
Some people just choose to disable them.
DreadCthulhu
Smash Cadet
Falco thread... woops (i just did a search for this kind of thread)
but while i have your attention,
I, for example, am not able to post VMs on your page (or anyone's including my registered friends for that matter) except for mine... any ideas?
AphoticBankai
Smash Cadet
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What exactly is BDACUS? I know DACUS, I learned that with Sheik so it's a piece of cake with Falco, but BDACUS?
Somebody enlighten me? ;_;
Somebody enlighten me? ;_;
is there anyway to keep falco from recovering with side+b?
sometimes im able to pk flash him in the middle of him zooming towards the stage but any other ways?
Also, a falco used his reflecter as a tether recovery? O_o idk how he did it but i couldnt take a screen shot cuz its wifi and wasnt filming
EDIT: 100th post!! :D
sometimes im able to pk flash him in the middle of him zooming towards the stage but any other ways?
Also, a falco used his reflecter as a tether recovery? O_o idk how he did it but i couldnt take a screen shot cuz its wifi and wasnt filming
EDIT: 100th post!! :D
swordsaint
Smash Master
It's a trap.
awesome, but, alas, the baker will never have the ability to SHTL.Kirby can short hop triple laser.
Vlade
Social Outcast
Can we chaingrab ROB with buffered dash grabs?
eRonin
Smash Journeyman
continuous pk thunders will probably screw us up since after the first hit, we'll have to do a firebird, in which case we're sitting ducks for attacks to followis there anyway to keep falco from recovering with side+b?
sometimes im able to pk flash him in the middle of him zooming towards the stage but any other ways?
Also, a falco used his reflecter as a tether recovery? O_o idk how he did it but i couldnt take a screen shot cuz its wifi and wasnt filming
EDIT: 100th post!! :D
even if we get back on stage we'd probably take a whole lot of damage
Also, no Falco's reflector doesn't act as a tether. It's range is pretty short and coupled with Brawl's stages' massive sweetbox for grabbing onto them, the Falco probably just grabbed the ledge immediately after the reflector finished.
Ambient_Horizon
Smash Ace
Couldn't agree more.
I just recently learned how to BDacus effectively and this **** is ****. Especially after SHDL, Silent Laser or D-throw. Seriously every Falco needs to learn this. It can be a great follow up to many moves.
Also BluB or anyone else who can use BDacus well I wanted to know if there any other **** setups to BDacus other than Lasers and D-Throw? I've got a Michigan tourney coming up and I don't Notra to be recognized as the only good Falco in MI
(Even though Notra's the one hosting the tourney lol)Shield drop to BDacus could be nice but I think it's too hard to pull of constantly in matches.
Pulling the BDacus off after a laser lock would be **** :b but it's situnational.
Other than that I don't think that there are setups that are as effective as down-throw and sh(d)l.
Pulling the BDacus off after a laser lock would be **** :b but it's situnational.
Other than that I don't think that there are setups that are as effective as down-throw and sh(d)l.
Ambient_Horizon
Smash Ace
Yeah I thought so. Everything else seems either:
A. Too situational
B. Too difficult to use consistently
Or
C. Unneccessary
I mean if I have some extra time Ill try some more BDacus setups but I agree with you BluB.
Also I've around with Shield Drop > BDacus. Its legit but very hard to pulll off.
For now D-throw and lasers seem best.
A. Too situational
B. Too difficult to use consistently
Or
C. Unneccessary
I mean if I have some extra time Ill try some more BDacus setups but I agree with you BluB.
Also I've around with Shield Drop > BDacus. Its legit but very hard to pulll off.
For now D-throw and lasers seem best.
DreadCthulhu
Smash Cadet
Could someone here help me with a couple things, i could use someone to go online with me and talk me through them
BDACUS and directional SHDL (i cant seem to get how pros do it jumping backward)
I can DACUS fairly consistently, but BDACUS seems to be very different, and the videos ive seen of it dont make sense on how to do it... Same with the back jumping SHDL
ideally someone would go online and chat with me while i train and figure it out...
EDIT: nvm the back jumping SHDL, got that down now STILL NEED HELP WITH BDACUS
BDACUS and directional SHDL (i cant seem to get how pros do it jumping backward)
I can DACUS fairly consistently, but BDACUS seems to be very different, and the videos ive seen of it dont make sense on how to do it... Same with the back jumping SHDL
ideally someone would go online and chat with me while i train and figure it out...
EDIT: nvm the back jumping SHDL, got that down now STILL NEED HELP WITH BDACUS
Ambient_Horizon
Smash Ace
What exactly is making it difficult for you to BDacus. What roadblocks are you having?
Denzi
Smash Master
Slow fingers. That's me anyway.
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
Try this out for a bit, if you still have problems come post more specific details and someone will be able to help you out.
Ambient_Horizon
Smash Ace
Sadly, I haven't developed a cure for that
Crack may help but you want fast fingers not twitchy ones lol
But I found it much easier to do BDacus when I set "R" to attack. I mean we all know how to buffer a dash (unless you can't Chainspike and if you can't you've got bigger problems than learning BDacus) so that's half the battle. I just think R is easier. I use Z for regular Dacus however.
Crack may help but you want fast fingers not twitchy ones lol
But I found it much easier to do BDacus when I set "R" to attack. I mean we all know how to buffer a dash (unless you can't Chainspike and if you can't you've got bigger problems than learning BDacus) so that's half the battle. I just think R is easier. I use Z for regular Dacus however.
DreadCthulhu
Smash Cadet
Ok, you guys are so awesome for helping me, i really am getting better at falco i think (still in training, we'll see how he does in the real world)...
but...
Im able to instant buffer dash (difficult to be consistent), but when i watch these videos of people sliding half way across the stage and charging the up smash... im just a bit confused
the closest i come is doing a short hop laser to a instant dash attack to up smash (like a normal dacus)
EDIT: ok ive done the down throw to bdacus, but im still looking for a way to slide all the way across the stage charging an up smash like i see in the videos... any ideas?
but...
Im able to instant buffer dash (difficult to be consistent), but when i watch these videos of people sliding half way across the stage and charging the up smash... im just a bit confused
the closest i come is doing a short hop laser to a instant dash attack to up smash (like a normal dacus)
EDIT: ok ive done the down throw to bdacus, but im still looking for a way to slide all the way across the stage charging an up smash like i see in the videos... any ideas?