Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[Shaya]

You uair out of grab release bro? I'd love to see it hahaha.

Also there's doopwalking into tipper fsmash, which is legit when Mikehaze is playing brawl on a plane... in the sky.

 

[C.J.]

GR->Fsmash on RC when the stage is going to the right.

 

[KirbyIRL]

lol^

Also platform on smashville. Seems more applicable and you can probably hit every castmember with at least an upsmash. I might test this.

 

[mikeHAZE]

Not true^

Most characters don't auto air break

but if they do, there are a lot of options, grab release stutter step fsmash on dedede for example.

 

[Blacknight99923]

or metaknight LOL

what are an opponents option against marth when their at the ledge, and what can marth usually do to cover them.

 

[mventre]

What is the best control input to DI out of pikachu's down smash? I usually mash the analog stick left,right,left,right etc.. until I escape but I've seen videos of people escaping pika's down smash after like 1 or 2 hits. Should I move the analog from side to side? Should I mash up on the C-stick? help!!

EDIT: I basically want to know the most efficient way to DI out of pika's down smash with taking as few hits as possible. Control input would be much appreciated

 

[Mr-R]

isn't uair out of grab release really hard to do ?

 

[clowsui]

yeah @ ramin it's frame perfect

 

[C.J.]

What is the best control input to DI out of pikachu's down smash? I usually mash the analog stick left,right,left,right etc.. until I escape but I've seen videos of people escaping pika's down smash after like 1 or 2 hits. Should I move the analog from side to side? Should I mash up on the C-stick? help!!

EDIT: I basically want to know the most efficient way to DI out of pika's down smash with taking as few hits as possible. Control input would be much appreciated

Up. Two inputs up will get you out every time. For SDI you should always use the Cstick when you can. Also, @ how you're currently doing it... how does that work at all? Every time you hit in the opposite direction of the previous input you're neutralizing all the work the last input did...

isn't uair out of grab release really hard to do ?

GIMR said same time frame as onstage dair.

 

[LooftWaffles]

GR uair is hella difficult, I cant see a good reason to learn it, at that point other options should kill.

I only GR uair when theyre too far off the ledge for the spike

 

[lordhelmet]

What's fair's frame advantage on block?

The number in my head says -4 but that's probably wrong.

 

[Player-3]

perfect fair is -4

 

[lordhelmet]

Wow I'm so good.

What's a not perfect fair or does that not matter?

 

[Player-3]

perfect as in you hit the ground as hit hjits the shield


but yea

 

[PEACE7]

What to do against Metaknight's F-tilt? besides shield lol

 

[salsa~]

dtilt, rising fair

 

[clowsui]

unless you're swinging before MK ftilt he will beat you on that front (dtilt i mean)

with regards to rising fair that works, so does falling fair but at different spacing ranges

 

[PEACE7]

Thanks guys ill try doing that now and yea I was thinking the same thing about d-tilt

 

[C.J.]

Just shield it... 30 frames of lag = happy marth.

 

[Nike.]

Metaknight's ftilt1 has 30 frames of lag? O_o

 

[dean.]

If I recall correctly ftilt1 has either 10 frames of lag or is -10 on block... ftilt3 is the laggy one at either 30 frames of lag or -30 on block (I don't remember which) (which is what C.J. was referring to I believe).

 

[LooftWaffles]

Ftilt 2 and 3 are -30 on block iirc, ftilt1 recovers faster than human reaction time, which is why its good for mixups

 

[C.J.]

ftilt1 is 20, 2 and 3 are 30.

 

[PEACE7]

Is it just me or is it bad to get back on stage with Nair against a Dk?

 

[LooftWaffles]

Is it just me or is it bad to get back on stage AT ALL against a Dk?

Fixed for accuracy

 

[Shaya]

what the hell wrong thread.

 

[C.J.]

Is it just me or is it bad to get back on stage with Nair against a Dk?

It's bad vs... everybody... It is pretty much every marth's preferred way of returning to the stage and isn't safe at all. Because you have to assume that they're not going to be spaced on the ledge for you as opposed to for them so if you hit their shield, unless you fall back to the ledge, you're going to get grabbed and be put back offstage.

 

[PEACE7]

Yea that's what I thought a lot of people use it I got to get rid of that habit.

 

[C.J.]

It's not TERRIBLE (it's nair so it can't be terrible) but if you hit shield w/ it, for the love of Marth, fall back to the ledge, not onto the stage.

 

[Nike.]

What CJ said. Try and tipper for a shieldpoke, but know when to go back to the ledge if they did shield.

 

[PEACE7]

Yea I'm just going to mix it up everytime

 

[Nike.]

SHAYA

Marth's nair vs Zero Suits side-b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7fno824UUc#t=1m05s

Is there a certain timing required to just outright beat it? In the vid, we traded.

 

[Shaya]

Not from that angle.
You can beat it air vs air at the right heights.

beating it would have required you to be a little closer and a stronger fast fall (and luckier timing).
Actually from the looks of things, you may have been able to win clearly if you were SLIGHTLY out. ZSS's hand outstretches so much when doing side b.

Nair can beat down smash generally, side b is a lot harder

at 1.38 you could have cleanly hit zss with your nair instead of air dodging through her, by the way

 

[Tyler_ACE]

Where EXACTLY on the sword does Marth's dair spike? I spike with it all the time, but every time I try, it's like playing the lotto.

 

[C.M.X]

The tip/end of it.

 

[Tyler_ACE]

Thanks, it works perfect almost every time now

 

[2001]

If you do a DB slash in a fastfall does it cancel the fastfall?

 

[C.M.X]

Yeah it does.

 

[Gifts]

Need some tips on recovering against mk. Got gimped mad hard twice in a game I should have won. =/

 

[Player-3]

tornado back to the stage or use dimensional test