Nintendogs
Smash Journeyman
Once again, but now where I live (Southern California), IC chaingrabs have been limited to 3 grabs at all Play N Trade game stores. This is mainly because I kept getting 1st place at their tournies, and the TO was saying that I was scaring off customers >_>
He argued that in high level tourneys such as genesis, IC chaingrabs are always banned (which gave me a hint that he didnt know anything about brawl) and also argued that he was losing money because a couple people were getting angry about getting chaingrabed and were leaving. He also said that if we could come up with a good enough reason for them not to be banned, he would unban chaingrabs.
The point of this thread is to compile arguments against banning Ice Climber chaingrabs and hopefully lift this ban, or prevent and lift IC chaingrab bans at other tournies with messed up TO's.
Here is a list of arguments:
1. Why ban IC chaingrabs, when they're not even top tier? I mean, if you ban/limit all 11 characters that are higher than them on the tier list, I would be ok with someone banning IC chaingrabs. BUT NOBODY DOES THAT!
2. Unlike what the TO said, no major tourney (besisdes the one in texas, which has now lifted the ban) has banned or limited chaingrabs.
3. The SBR and Smashboards community clearly both agree that IC chaingrabs should not be banned. In fact, it hasn't even been brought up as an SBR poll since it is so obvious that they should not be banned, unlike MK banning. (im not saying that MK should be banned though lol).
4. It takes forever to learn Ice climber chaingrabs. Its not like characters such as MK where you can pick him up easily and be able to win matches with very little practice. Almost all of us Ice climber players spend hours and hours offline in training mode/against CPU's perfecting different chaingrabs on each character. I highly doubt any MK player would be practicing legal tactics against CPU's for more than 2 minutes.
5. Ice Climber Chaingrabs are NOT broken. In fact, an extremely small amount of grabs on good players are actually 0-death's. Many of you may disagree, but this is fact. Not every person here is a Lain. And even Lain on average, out of 22 attempted grabs, 11 of the 22 grabs (50%) did not connect or did not do more than 1 throw, 9 of the 22 were not kills but did 12%+ (at least 2 throws), and finally, only 2 of the 22 grabs (9%) ended up as kills. You may think you have much better averages than this, but when you actually record yourself, and count every time nana ran off and left you with only popo grabbing the opponent, these averages are considered very good. Remember, as of now Lain is the best IC player! (Lain's averages are based off of recently uploaded youtube video's from people such as M2K, Anther, and Judge.)
6. Its not like these chaingrabs are completely unescapable like many people claim, all you have to do to escape ANY chaingrab is just press the "A" button fast. Its that simple. Go try to chaingrab M2K while he's under 40%... Its almost impossible. Also, almost all IC players do some sort of so-called "infinites" that are actually escapable in other ways than pressing the "A" button fast, such as the backthrow to Nana footstool on heavy characters or the Solo Popo chaingab on Meta Knight. Im sure any of us would be happy to tell someone how to escape a specific chaingrab. Sotherefore it's not our fault that someone was too lazy to ask a simple question of how to escape a chaingrab, and we shouldn't be punished for it!
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So Please help me, the Ice Climbers community, and the common sense of others by posting more reasons against banning/limiting IC chaingrabs, or even help by posting PRO IC chaingrab ban reasons, since its always good to be prepared and know how someone is going to react to these arguments.
He argued that in high level tourneys such as genesis, IC chaingrabs are always banned (which gave me a hint that he didnt know anything about brawl) and also argued that he was losing money because a couple people were getting angry about getting chaingrabed and were leaving. He also said that if we could come up with a good enough reason for them not to be banned, he would unban chaingrabs.
The point of this thread is to compile arguments against banning Ice Climber chaingrabs and hopefully lift this ban, or prevent and lift IC chaingrab bans at other tournies with messed up TO's.
Here is a list of arguments:
1. Why ban IC chaingrabs, when they're not even top tier? I mean, if you ban/limit all 11 characters that are higher than them on the tier list, I would be ok with someone banning IC chaingrabs. BUT NOBODY DOES THAT!
2. Unlike what the TO said, no major tourney (besisdes the one in texas, which has now lifted the ban) has banned or limited chaingrabs.
3. The SBR and Smashboards community clearly both agree that IC chaingrabs should not be banned. In fact, it hasn't even been brought up as an SBR poll since it is so obvious that they should not be banned, unlike MK banning. (im not saying that MK should be banned though lol).
4. It takes forever to learn Ice climber chaingrabs. Its not like characters such as MK where you can pick him up easily and be able to win matches with very little practice. Almost all of us Ice climber players spend hours and hours offline in training mode/against CPU's perfecting different chaingrabs on each character. I highly doubt any MK player would be practicing legal tactics against CPU's for more than 2 minutes.
5. Ice Climber Chaingrabs are NOT broken. In fact, an extremely small amount of grabs on good players are actually 0-death's. Many of you may disagree, but this is fact. Not every person here is a Lain. And even Lain on average, out of 22 attempted grabs, 11 of the 22 grabs (50%) did not connect or did not do more than 1 throw, 9 of the 22 were not kills but did 12%+ (at least 2 throws), and finally, only 2 of the 22 grabs (9%) ended up as kills. You may think you have much better averages than this, but when you actually record yourself, and count every time nana ran off and left you with only popo grabbing the opponent, these averages are considered very good. Remember, as of now Lain is the best IC player! (Lain's averages are based off of recently uploaded youtube video's from people such as M2K, Anther, and Judge.)
6. Its not like these chaingrabs are completely unescapable like many people claim, all you have to do to escape ANY chaingrab is just press the "A" button fast. Its that simple. Go try to chaingrab M2K while he's under 40%... Its almost impossible. Also, almost all IC players do some sort of so-called "infinites" that are actually escapable in other ways than pressing the "A" button fast, such as the backthrow to Nana footstool on heavy characters or the Solo Popo chaingab on Meta Knight. Im sure any of us would be happy to tell someone how to escape a specific chaingrab. Sotherefore it's not our fault that someone was too lazy to ask a simple question of how to escape a chaingrab, and we shouldn't be punished for it!
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So Please help me, the Ice Climbers community, and the common sense of others by posting more reasons against banning/limiting IC chaingrabs, or even help by posting PRO IC chaingrab ban reasons, since its always good to be prepared and know how someone is going to react to these arguments.
