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Are we in this together, smash community?

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HAT

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An interesting article has come to my attention.

It's written by a guy who has had experience: he watched the fall of the Soviet Union.
As you very well know, America is having a bit of trouble. Why not be prepared, and expect the worst?

Well, that's what this guy says, anyway. Check it out. This is the link.

My question to you is..if chaos becomes common, are we going to stick together?
Does this community have what it takes to get things done?
Considering the possibilities, if the worst scenario actually occurs, can we pull through as a whole?

I think we can, smashers. I think we're some of the most perfectly balanced communities to get things done. We have intelligence and confidence. That's all you need to live.

We've got this ****.
 

Chis

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Forget this place. I'll be out of here before you can say 'I fight for my friends'.
 

Circus

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Are you kidding? Smashers are going down. The Melee players are all just going to wavedash off to Canada while the Brawl players are busy tripping over themselves.

And the Smash64 kids will be eaten by Sakurai.
 

Circus

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I've already set up camp, seeing i live there...plus i can wavedash then trip XD. The snow makes me dash and trip :ohwell:
In the snow, my car's wavedash is longer than Luigi's.

No.
Meta Knight doesn't trip.
Who do you think is causing The Collapse? Meta Knight doesn't trip because he's the one causing the tripping.
 

Crimson King

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In the event of a collapse, I'm joining whatever underground revolution that I can agree with most. And I plan to stock up on firearms and start a black market.

Smash? You people realize in the event of the US collapsing, electricity will likely go with it, right?
 

Eor

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If the economy collapses I'm totally creating a black market bear trade.

For bear cavalry
 

SkylerOcon

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If the US collapses I'm going to pull a King Dedede and declare myself king of the former United States. I'll steal all food supplies only to be hindered by a pink-colored anthropomorphic marshmallow.
 

HAT

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In the event of a collapse, I'm joining whatever underground revolution that I can agree with most. And I plan to stock up on firearms and start a black market.

Smash? You people realize in the event of the US collapsing, electricity will likely go with it, right?
Of course! I mean something more along the lines of joining up with your local smashers.

I know as a fact that MD/VA would instantly team up and do ****.
 

Mini Mic

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I plan on taking Eor's skin and using it for reasons so brilliant that if I explained them the whole universe would (probably) explode.
 

GoldShadow

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You guys are on your own. I mean, have you looked at the pool room and the brawl boards?! Keep the crazy, moronic 90% away from me!
 

Rici

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I don't know what I'm gonna do yet.

I'll have to axe Cashed!
 

Jam Stunna

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I only read the section labeled 1. (I'll read the rest later), but already I think the guy is overstating his case. He describes the current situation as a financial collapse, which is much more severe than the crisis it's being characterized as. I think that both terms are overblown for what is actually happening.

I'm no economist, so take everything I say with a healthy degree of skepticism. But I think that all we're seeing is the end of an unsustainable way of life, in terms of the way credit has been allowed to flow. All of the expansion in personal possession, corporate profits and everything else has been predicated on the availability of ease and plentiful credit. And of course, credit was extended to people who didn't really deserve it, but the thinking seemed to be that one credit-worthy borrower could carry ten non-credit worthy ones (this is an arbitrary number by way of analogy, by the way). That turned out to be an erroneous assumption.

So what we're actually seeing is a kind of snap-back. The economy will survive, banks will survive, and individuals will survive; they just won't survive the way they did before, which was essentially spending more money than they had. I heard a story about a family with over $100,000 of credit card debt. Both the husband and the wife lost their jobs in a week's span, and because they didn't want to lose their home, they started paying bills on their credit cards. Now they're really screwed though, because the cards will eventually be discontinued, and they'll be in the same boat, only with $100,000 + debt helping it to sink faster.

My question is this: if a family loses their income, and immediately are forced to start paying bills with imaginary money, could they actually afford their lifestyle in the first place? Somewhere along the line, affordability came to mean, "I have $10. That thing I want costs $10. I can afford it!" That's wrong. Saving is critical to financial health, but in the deluge of credit, that point has been lost. Why save when someone will give you an allowance, which is what credit basically is? People are being caught with their pants down by an economic downturn, and the first thing everyone does is start drumming up talk of "crisis" and "collapse".

Does that mean that there's a systemic problem with the American (and by extension global) finance system? Perhaps, since financial institutions are making loans to people who really can't afford them. But what I think we're really seeing is the aggregate of poor individual decisions coming to fruition. Poor individual decisions by everyone involved: borrowers, lenders, economists, etc. The end of easy credit is not the end of the American economy. It just means that you can't get a car with no money down anymore. You can't live in a four bedroom house if you only make $30,000 a year anymore. We don't have a crisis of finance or confidence, but one of common sense, and we're being reminded of some basic financial rules. Don't spend all your money today, because you might need it tomorrow. We've been betting against tomorrow for years, and now that we've been dealt a bad hand, it's a crisis. It's a crisis in the same way that leaving a loaded gun around is. It's a tragedy when it happens, but it's not like you couldn't see it coming. That's why I'm wary of all these bailouts. If it's necessary to help companies to survive, then do it. But don't try to artificially inflate a culture and lifestyle that has now proven to be faulty.

Is our current way of life unsustainable? Yes. Is this the beginning of the end? It very well could be, but I don't think so. Every empire ends, but I don't think America will have a spectacular demise. I think what's more likely is that standard of living will gradually decrease, and one day we'll wake up and not be the world's only (or greatest) superpower; we'll all say a collective "When did that happen?" and then continue with our lives. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

Like I said, I'm no economist, so this could all be ***-backwards conspiracy-theory level wrong. Just my thoughts.
 

Aesir

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We're in a Crisis not a collapse, which is a little different then what the soviets dealt with. However in terms of the actual crisis, lol Corporate Welfare.

We put so much emphasis on Capitalism being great yet we don't even follow it's most basic principles? These businesses who are so against socialism counted on it to bail themselves out of their own poor business choices.
 

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Yes, when the world governments collapse, I am going to turn to 100,000 Internet strangers.

/sarcasm
 

TheBuzzSaw

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I'll only side with those who can beat me in an offline Brawl.
 

Crimson King

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I only read the section labeled 1. (I'll read the rest later), but already I think the guy is overstating his case. He describes the current situation as a financial collapse, which is much more severe than the crisis it's being characterized as. I think that both terms are overblown for what is actually happening.

I'm no economist, so take everything I say with a healthy degree of skepticism. But I think that all we're seeing is the end of an unsustainable way of life, in terms of the way credit has been allowed to flow. All of the expansion in personal possession, corporate profits and everything else has been predicated on the availability of ease and plentiful credit. And of course, credit was extended to people who didn't really deserve it, but the thinking seemed to be that one credit-worthy borrower could carry ten non-credit worthy ones (this is an arbitrary number by way of analogy, by the way). That turned out to be an erroneous assumption.

So what we're actually seeing is a kind of snap-back. The economy will survive, banks will survive, and individuals will survive; they just won't survive the way they did before, which was essentially spending more money than they had. I heard a story about a family with over $100,000 of credit card debt. Both the husband and the wife lost their jobs in a week's span, and because they didn't want to lose their home, they started paying bills on their credit cards. Now they're really screwed though, because the cards will eventually be discontinued, and they'll be in the same boat, only with $100,000 + debt helping it to sink faster.

My question is this: if a family loses their income, and immediately are forced to start paying bills with imaginary money, could they actually afford their lifestyle in the first place? Somewhere along the line, affordability came to mean, "I have $10. That thing I want costs $10. I can afford it!" That's wrong. Saving is critical to financial health, but in the deluge of credit, that point has been lost. Why save when someone will give you an allowance, which is what credit basically is? People are being caught with their pants down by an economic downturn, and the first thing everyone does is start drumming up talk of "crisis" and "collapse".

Does that mean that there's a systemic problem with the American (and by extension global) finance system? Perhaps, since financial institutions are making loans to people who really can't afford them. But what I think we're really seeing is the aggregate of poor individual decisions coming to fruition. Poor individual decisions by everyone involved: borrowers, lenders, economists, etc. The end of easy credit is not the end of the American economy. It just means that you can't get a car with no money down anymore. You can't live in a four bedroom house if you only make $30,000 a year anymore. We don't have a crisis of finance or confidence, but one of common sense, and we're being reminded of some basic financial rules. Don't spend all your money today, because you might need it tomorrow. We've been betting against tomorrow for years, and now that we've been dealt a bad hand, it's a crisis. It's a crisis in the same way that leaving a loaded gun around is. It's a tragedy when it happens, but it's not like you couldn't see it coming. That's why I'm wary of all these bailouts. If it's necessary to help companies to survive, then do it. But don't try to artificially inflate a culture and lifestyle that has now proven to be faulty.

Is our current way of life unsustainable? Yes. Is this the beginning of the end? It very well could be, but I don't think so. Every empire ends, but I don't think America will have a spectacular demise. I think what's more likely is that standard of living will gradually decrease, and one day we'll wake up and not be the world's only (or greatest) superpower; we'll all say a collective "When did that happen?" and then continue with our lives. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

Like I said, I'm no economist, so this could all be ***-backwards conspiracy-theory level wrong. Just my thoughts.
Eh, yes and no. Many economists who are more capitalistic and against the state say this is pretty much the end of the United States empire. We have more than out stretched our own bounds, and it is a matter of time until we collapse. Never before in history has an imperialistic country, like ours last in a persistent state for a long time. Take China. China, due to it's population, has always been close to the top economically, but now, they are going to easily sweep because the market favors what they offer: cheap, efficient labor.

If the US collapses, it will not destroy the world as it would have during the depression. The US is not as important as our own government likes to make us believe. Europe, Japan, and China all boast better economies than we do, and are some of the most prosperous regions.

So, is this the end of the US? No way to tell. If we do not control spending soon, fix taxes to a reasonable level, get ourselves out of the deficit, and stop wasting money on bailouts, then yes, we will be broke in no time.

We're in a Crisis not a collapse, which is a little different then what the soviets dealt with. However in terms of the actual crisis, lol Corporate Welfare.

We put so much emphasis on Capitalism being great yet we don't even follow it's most basic principles? These businesses who are so against socialism counted on it to bail themselves out of their own poor business choices.
Wrong. These businesses are corrupted by socialism through forced unionization, price setting, and other practices that "level" the playing field. Through this, they have been wrecked. If I wanted to open a planet of steel workers, but I wanted to pay wages that each person was worth, I couldn't get away with that legally because the unions would strike, then I can't fire the unions because of laws against that.

Secondly, the bailout IS NOT socialist. The bailout is fascist and totalitarian beyond what even Russia did. It is the government saying, "Ok, we need these companies so badly, that we'll cover their debt." Why would the government do that? Because they want to own that sector. Take the postal service. It is against the law to deliver mail on your own. If the government owns large portions of the big 3 auto companies, then realistically, they can begin to set each one for a different market and outlaw competition.
 

ProBrawler

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But Japan would be screwed without us. Last time I checked, we cover them militarily. Heck, we keep most of the world in balance, maybe not economically, but with our firepower. The US will still exist, no one can take us over. We may just be humbled. Or, this could just be another fall that we will eventually revive from. Let's just hope that we don't get out of this the same way as the Great Depression, with World War III.
 

OmegaXXII

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You do realize that if there's is a major collapse, there won't be any electricity to even Smash don't you think?
 
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