Anime Mafia!: Moved To dGames from LoD (Guess who won!)

[Xiivi]

vote: vyse for 520

 

[Crimson King]

I am a suspect in every damn game. I grow tired of defending myself against nothing. If you FEEL that I am off, then have some tissues or something. There's nothing I can do with that. You asked me for feedback, I said I have to reread on air and don't understand the nightkill.

If I'm scummy just because I haven't said much, I'll ask for a replacement for you to badger.

So, essentially what you just said was if we badger you over inactivity or question you for not participating, you'll replace out?

Awesome way to play the game. Vote stays.

On Air: I was fine with the Air lynch because he wasn't really up for helping town. Unfortunately, I think it's just the fact that Air really was all over the place without adding new stuff just hurt him in the end.

On Kata: Kata is a ****ed up night kill, and I really think it was a bad choice by the Mafia. Kata questioned me a few times, voted for me, but no one really took him trend (this was after Kevin's run), so I see a huge possibility of painting me a bad light. It's a bit of a waste to investigate why the mafia did kill someone at night, but it's worth noting they didn't get any of the louder people.

On my suspicion list, I am basically re-evaluating because the two I was most suspicious are dead as townies. Steel, can we do an activity post? I'd like to know who was absent so far today. I am still content with lynching Marc because of his anti-town/stonewall behavior.

Chibo, since we are all aware of your double voting, can you hold off and hammer? I know it's a bad position, but with only 5 votes for a lynch, I'd rather not just have just 4 people deciding a lynch quickly (in other words, if you are to hammer, just wait please). You, of course, can decline.

 

[Crimson King]

vote: vyse for 520

Care to elaborate? I don't see anything inherently scummy about that post, other than trying to force Air to action, which we were all doing towards the end.

 

[Marc]

What I mean is that people always feel bad about me in these games. How am I different from other inactive players? You try to rationalize your uneasy feelings by calling me out on inactivity, but if this is always going to be personal, it would be more beneficial for everyone for me to replace out. I haven't been that inactive, I've always given my stance on the most important subjects and have usually said why I wasn't available. You judge Kevin for just voting people without reasoning, but you're close to doing the exact same thing. There is nothing for me to respond to. How am I anti-Town? Which bandwagons have I led? Which people did I kill? Which lies did I tell? My kneejerk reaction is to vote you for how silly this attack is.

 

[Marc]

Steel: Did I miss it or do we still need to get an explanation on why Omni was modkilled?

Tom, where are you?

 

[Tom]

yo im here. day just started and after looking at the night results i was like **** it and took a nap. glad to see that there was only one night kill but with the flip of a day vig it looks like the only night kills we will be seeing this setup are bad ones.

like ck already said in passing, i will reiterate, guessing the nightkill motive is basically chasing ghosts. there are innumerable motives for nightkilling to ascribe to all numbers of incorrect/innocent players and if we are to play off the motives then we are basically only playing with the hand that the mafia deals us. no thank you.

im more interested in hearing what bowser king has to say than anyone else who has already spoken toDay, though xiivi's vote on vyse doesn't seem too out of pocket and i feel more and more comfortable with him as he doesnt do those mondo posts.

i asked steel for an explanation about the modkill myself because he said marshy would tell us but marshy didnt. basically what i gathered was that omni was replacing into the game, but he said that he was only going to play Day 1 and after that he was not going to play any more, and instead of have a temporary solution to an inactive problem, the mods decided to modkill him. it was a loss to us but it also wasnt. taking it from me as a total setup designer, the loss of 1 vanilla townie does good to both sides and 12 is kind of an awkward number for a setup anyways.

marc, i dont think you should replace out. your playstyle clashes early and i would like to attribute that to semantic differences. also, you've been mafia like 7/10 times on SWF so you are hard to get a bead on.

we just need more talking before we make any decision.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Omni was willing to play out Day 1 only. No replacements so decided to modkill him sooner rather than later.

18th Vote Count

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McFox (1) - KevinM
Marc (1) - Crimson King
Vyse (1) - Xiivi
Not voting (6): McFox, Vyse, bowser king, ChiboSempai, Marc, Tom

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

 

[CT Chia]

Yea Xiivi I don't understand your vote based on that at all.

 

[Crimson King]

Wow... that's pretty ****ty.

Also, while I did vote for Marc, I want to unvote. I'll give some time before placing a vote down again.

Tom, what did you make of Xiivi's multi-posts? He is slowing down post-wise, so maybe it was just overzealousness and for clarity, but I'd like your input since you were really suspicious of it (with good reason).

 

[Xiivi]

Vyse offered air a very vague bargain of "answer my question to my liking in this timeframe and I'll unvote you."

He then proceeded to ride the wagon until lynch without any other input.

 

[Xiivi]

Also Chibo should freely use his role as he pleases and people should be aware that putting people at L-2 is placing someone in a hammerable position if one of Chibo's votes isn't already on the wagon.

 

[Crimson King]

Back to your old habits I see.

 

[KevinM]

He made two posts in a row big deal, I see that happen all the time in all mafia games.

He may have forgotten something.

Think of it as an EBWOP.

 

[Crimson King]

Yeah, I actually read the second post, and it's probably just an edit post.

 

[Marc]

I have a very tough time getting a read on people I don't really know. I tend to look for consistencies in playing style. Even though previous behaviour isn't an entirely accurate predictor of future behaviour in these games, it still tells you a lot about dominant responses and the like. I have a few things to say about people who I've played with before. This is something I usually do in my head, but I might as well share those ideas.

Xiivi: This guy was very "play to win" when I was Mafia with him and had no problem being a quiet player who was active behind the scenes. His playing style now is the complete opposite of how he played in Disney Mafia. On top of that, he immediately took the spotlight on Day 1, which is a huge risk that got him the suspicion of me. I simply do not see scumXiivi act like that and do not suspect him.

Tom: He seems detached and I figure he'd be more active as Mafia. He doesn't like winning through coasting.

KevinM: His playing style works as both Town and scum, which is dangerous. He basically gets under your skin regardless of alignment and has no problem bandwagoning innocents in either. The difference is that his case against people will gradually become worse if he is scum and better if he is Town. His actions seem to trigger great responses from CK in this game.

Chibo calmed down a lot and he's cleared because of his role. I simply have no read on bowser king. McFox and Vyse I have to reread on. I think Crimson King is a lot more aggressive than I know him, but I've yet to figure out why. The thing with Mafia is that they come in pairs, so I'm gonna start looking for (lack of) relations.

 

[Vyse]

Just posting to say that I'll get to posting (more extensive) thoughts/addressing Xiivi's vote against me in more detail but I'm out at a friends house tonight (like, right now rofl) and a smashfest tommorrow.

My reason for voting air was that he consistently avoided answering the questions he was being asked (by which I mean, he didn't give very good answers). I pointed out the contradictions in his claims (that Kat was posting like he was in Grammys, but that wasn't true) and rather than address it, he just fell back to the 'I just have a feeling', argument he was holding on to (which sadly didn't prove all that useful).

 

[CT Chia]

Tom: He seems detached and I figure he'd be more active as Mafia. He doesn't like winning through coasting.

Town Tom in Grammys was a hell of a lot more active in both frequent posting (except one small time he was away for stuff during D1) and scumhunting compared to Mafia Tom in Grammys when he switched starting on D4. Ever since he became mafia in that he hardly said anything until the mafia has the whole plan devised of the fake role claims.

If I had to compare his gameplay in this game so far to either of the roles from Grammys it would be closer to his mafia side. Tom doesn't seem to be following his brash style of scumhunting in this game that I would normally expect.

Couple this with the suspicion I already had on Tom from the end of Day 1 keeps him as my leading suspect going into Day 2. I haven't learned much from Day 2 yet so I'm sticking to this for now.

Vote: Tom

 

[CT Chia]

i <3 it when games are inactive

 

[Tom]

Tom, what did you make of Xiivi's multi-posts? He is slowing down post-wise, so maybe it was just overzealousness and for clarity, but I'd like your input since you were really suspicious of it (with good reason).

I was basically worried that he had some sort of role that was triggered only when you have the mosts posts, which is something that i see majorly favoring anti-town powers than town powers. this, coupled with how i didnt want the susa(omni) vs. xiivi argument to define Day 1 and how xiivi's massposting ate up entire pages made me worry that he is mafia. however, susa has been modkilled... and it is now day 2, and unless xiivi seems to massively scramble to get the most posts again, i am simply going to drop it and move on.

Town Tom in Grammys was a hell of a lot more active in both frequent posting (except one small time he was away for stuff during D1) and scumhunting compared to Mafia Tom in Grammys when he switched starting on D4. Ever since he became mafia in that he hardly said anything until the mafia has the whole plan devised of the fake role claims.

If I had to compare his gameplay in this game so far to either of the roles from Grammys it would be closer to his mafia side. Tom doesn't seem to be following his brash style of scumhunting in this game that I would normally expect.

Couple this with the suspicion I already had on Tom from the end of Day 1 keeps him as my leading suspect going into Day 2. I haven't learned much from Day 2 yet so I'm sticking to this for now.

Vote: Tom

hmmm no. anyone with back room access (crimson king, mcfox, kevinm, marc) can tell you that my level of play simply surpasses that. in battlestar gamafia i was actually mafia, and i hounded like hardcore, i was brash and i was demanding of all other players to be active and upfront with their suspicions, i uncovered a lot of mysteries, and i even pressed extremely hard for a scum lynch, and i was actually scum in that game. anyone who looks in decisive games can look at the lonely island mafia where i was town tracker (main town power role) and i hounded like hardcore, pressed people for answers, mass-probed town with questions, tracked and lynched the sk, and lead a lynch on another mafia before giving the town a plan for the future and being nightkilled out of mafia's necessity (and no doctor or watcher). i tried to do the same thing in Harry Potter mafia and I attracted many night kills as bulletproof, but was repeatedly shut down by mafia spellcasters with silence spells and blind spells and I sadly could not win the damn game by myself. i have played both sides, repeatedly, as the paragon of scumhunter Tom who shows no mercy. I have also played both sides as the "mentor" Tom who gives people good advice and then either acts on it himself as town or simply negates all its worth and molds people to what i want as scum. I am going through all the motions in all playstyles. in my most recent games, my activity has come in spurts - it is just who I currently am at the moment. this can be seen in Star Fox where I flipped Town; this can be seen in Grammy's where I was town and then recruited to Scum and flipped Scum. basically, you have nothing to compared my playstyle to except your limited experience with me, and it is actually disheartening to see my good play in Grammys (where i thought i was town for about 2 and a half days before I almost wisened up (though i didnt know who my scum lover was until day 4)) turned against me because i flipped scum at the very end of that game when scum was just one manipulating day away from a win. apart from this, however, i guess you're suspicious of me because i was on the airgemini lynch. i think i speak for every experienced player in this game when i say that it was unfortunate that airgemini flipped town aligned because we could have either eliminated scum or not focused on him and could have been attracted by poor behavior to a different lynch candidate, but fortunate that he was a vanilla townie as the game is designed around mislynches and we must simply work with them. i am still very much interesting in what bowser king has to say on day 2.

screw paragraphs i have money

 

[Tom]

in addition, i guess chibo should look at what marc just said about me. marc said he didn't think i was scum because of my playstyle, and then chibo just said he thinks i am scum because of my playstyle. lol.

you can either dismiss both opinions as being contradictory and therefore null, or you can dismiss chibo's as being the less experienced opinion as marc has played a number of games with me while chibo has played 1 (that marc was in). either way is fine by me panda bear.

 

[Steel]

Activity Notice:

Tom: Today, 10:34 PM

ChiboSempai: Today, 10:18 PM

Vyse: Today, 09:15 AM

Marc: Today, 01:19 AM

Crimson King: Yesterday, 10:56 PM

KevinM: Yesterday, 10:51 PM

Xiivi: Yesterday, 10:05 PM

Mcfox: Yesterday, 07:07 PM

bowser king: *** i dunno prodded

 

[Tom]

well will you look at that

top of the activity notice

who da maaaaan??

/jsrf dance

 

[Crimson King]

Hmmmm, BK's lack of activity is concerning. No idea if he wants to replace out or what, but after having a good bit of pressure on him to the point of being L-1 on Day 1, I'm interested in what he has to offer about the deaths.

 

[Xiivi]

Pretty sure BK only got to L-2. Which was when Tom told everyone to back off and give BK room to breathe, at which point the wagon crumbled after you jumped off.

Also: less meta-ing each other, more lynching Vyscum.

 

[Bowser King]

I'm not sure what Xivii's point is with the vyse lynch. From what I saw, vyse tried to give input but Air never really replied which answers why he never said anything after.

Kata tried to stop the Air lynch so I think that could be one of the main reasons he was killed. Now, if we were to go just off that, it would make the people who lynched Air look fairly suspicious. However, a lot of the people in the Air lynch were talking about "connections" so I don't see why (now I'm talking as if there were mafia members in the air lynch) they would try to make themselves look suspicious when they were the ones talking about all these "connections".

At this point, I don't see any connections being made from the Kata kill other then the above. So I really don't have any suspicions at this point but the day has just started.

 

[Tom]

if you had to choose the lynch today bowser king, who might you choose, and who would you definitely not choose

 

[Bowser King]

if you had to choose the lynch today bowser king, who might you choose, and who would you definitely not choose

Tough question, but if I had to choose one person who I feel is scummy I would say its Marc so far. I don't find him that scummy since I saw a bit of his "I don't really care" personality in Grammys (near the end when he claimed vampire). However, out of all the options and if I had to vote I would choose him since I'm fairly neutral to everyone at this point.

If I had to choose one person not to kill, I think CK has been giving off a lot of town vibes and I haven't really seen any of his posts that annoyed me.

 

[Tom]

see, that is good. i didn't know how you felt either towards marc or towards ck, and those opinions sound legitimate. now we know where you are besides on main issue which seems to be xiivi on vyse.

 

[Vyse]

Back home now.
Xiivi, nobody seems to support your vote (though Tom doesn't appear to be against it).

Vyse offered air a very vague bargain of "answer my question to my liking in this timeframe and I'll unvote you."

I only set down that time frame because there was a chance that during my exam air would get hammered. So I was just saying that it would be in his best interest to make a case sooner than later because I wouldn't be around for a while to read it.

In the first place, my case on airgemini has been more based on my own reasoning after commenting and asking questions about it earlier on. In this post you pointed out that despite me commenting on the situation, and I feel as though it's part of the reason why I finally placed a vote down (The other of course being the case I was building against Air).

Air didn't do himself any favours. And I'm not sure what you mean by a 'very vague' bargain when I clearly asked him to respond to my earlier analysis of Kat which completely contradicted Air's case against him.

His answer was "I just have a feeling," which, whilst showing where he was coming from with his vote, didn't actually answer my question at all, which was why he felt Kat was posting the same way he was in Grammys when clearly he wasn't.

He then proceeded to ride the wagon until lynch without any other input.

There was nothing more to say. Air didn't do anything except maintain that people seemed to be voting for him for no reason. At one point I was almost compelled to unvote when he reminded us all about bowser king. But the air lynch felt better to me, it felt like air was focussing on Kat to appear active without actually putting himself out there in the midst of it all. And also that the deadline was the next day.

Xiivi: This guy was very "play to win" when I was Mafia with him and had no problem being a quiet player who was active behind the scenes. His playing style now is the complete opposite of how he played in Disney Mafia. On top of that, he immediately took the spotlight on Day 1, which is a huge risk that got him the suspicion of me. I simply do not see scumXiivi act like that and do not suspect him.

One thing I want to point out is that Xiivi had a posting restriction in Disney Mafia (each post had to contain a number of the letter S's equal to half the words in the post) or something similar, which I imagine would have made posting harder to the point of not being able to post at a bajillion miles an hour like he did at the start of this game.

Though that's hardly any basis for a case against him, that's one game where he had a posting restriction. The theory that he had a posting restriction based on number of posts in the thread was debunked when Susa took over briefly for top poster (though right now he has the most posts in the thread again).

One question I would like answered by Xiivi though, is why he picked me when others were doing close enough to the same thing?

I've got another question. Kevin, Tom and Marc all agreed that airgemini should roleclaim. Is this because air simply couldn't defend himself? I'm just trying to see the difference between what bowser king did and what all three of those guys did.

I am a suspect in every damn game. I grow tired of defending myself against nothing.

If you've been Mafia in most of those past games, I think it's understandable that you become a suspect. Fact of the matter is, everybody who coasts is going to be called out on at some point and if you're not scum hunting, you're going to wind up being hunted instead.

With both Kat and Air dead, it's hard to know where to go so I'll just go ahead and post what's on my mind.

I think the inconsistencies originally pointed out by Kevin in his case against CK in day 1 are still noteworthy and worth a re-read (this is not to say CK is the only suspicious one in their exchange though). Neither can be faulted for the exchange since this is what the game is about, but there might be something noteworthy in there.

This argument against Marc is valid, but Marc has started opening up and posting his thoughts which I actually thought were fairly enlightening.

Not sure where I stand with Chibo and McFox at the moment though.

Tom is hard to read, especially after one of his last posts, I'm not sure what to think.

Need a bit more from you bowser king, rather than answering questions, you need to ask questions of your own.

 

[CT Chia]

I don't like how Tom has sort of covered BK twice so far if you know what I mean.

 

[Tom]

I don't like how Tom has sort of covered BK twice so far if you know what I mean.

i dont know what you mean. what do you mean by "covered," and why don't you like it?

 

[CT Chia]

you told ppl to lay off BK when he was accumulating votes b4. and just now when BK finally returned and posted a couple thoughts, u were the first to comment on them saying how they sound legit and such

 

[McFox]

Busy weekend. Like, really busy. I don't have time for this tonight, and I won't tomorrow. I promise to get some stuff together this week.

 

[Tom]

you told ppl to lay off BK when he was accumulating votes b4. and just now when BK finally returned and posted a couple thoughts, u were the first to comment on them saying how they sound legit and such

i told people to lay off of BK because they needed to lay off of BK. they were kneejerk reacting to the rapid dissmissal of your own bandwagon. he was of slight suspect, and was your suspect, and you were of major suspect. you claimed and were subsequently cleared, and everyone jumped to him for like no reason. that is why i dismissed his bandwagon. Do you have a problem with that?

Do you have a problem with what I've said about BK, or do you just have some dumb problem because ive said it? If you have a problem with what ive said about BK, then do you actually think he's points arent good? if so, you should be talking to him, not me. if not, then whats wrong with my validating his points?



@Vyse: to answer your question, it looked like the lynch was either Airgemini or nobody. the day was nearing its end, and a lynch is necessary. if airgemini had had a terribly convincing claim, or if he had claimed a power role, then maybe it would actually be worth taking the votes off and no lynching. this is why i asked him to claim, and im sure i can speak for the other vets who asked for his claim too (forget who they were, you mentioned them, marc, mcfox, ck???) that this was their reasoning. it has several differences with what bowser king did probing earlier, but if youll note, i REALLY REALLY doubt i faulted BK for what he did. I think, actually, that CK took care of it for us, and I simply continued on with discussion. just to make sure the record is straight on that.

 

[KevinM]

Lets just lynch mcfoxxy

 

[Xiivi]

Can't argue with that.

unvote: vote: McFox

Let's get the day rolling along.

 

[CT Chia]

Lets just lynch mcfoxxy

This post
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8841673&postcount=587
does bring up a valid point about McFox, but is there anything else you can add onto that to elaborate?

 

[KevinM]

*shrugs* the fact that he posted to defend himself from it and hasn't posted again and won't post until pressured.

Because he's mafia coasting.

 

[McFox]

Busy weekend. Like, really busy. I don't have time for this tonight, and I won't tomorrow. I promise to get some stuff together this week.

This is me not posting until pressured? I'm pretty sure it's still the weekend.

Yes, I've posted elsewhere on the forum, but none of those required me to think like playing mafia does.

 

[CT Chia]

Because he's mafia coasting.

u do realize it was over 72 hours since ur last post to the one earlier on this page? hypocritical much?