Anime Mafia!: Moved To dGames from LoD (Guess who won!)

[#HBC | marshy]

16th Vote Count

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Kataefi (1) - airgemini
airgemini (5) - McFox, Crimson King, KevinM, Tom, Vyse
Tom (3) - ChiboSempai, Xiivi
Not voting (3): Kataefi, Marc, bowser king

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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

 

[Tom]

Tom.
How do I stick out?

like i said earlier, its more like other people dont stick out more than you. ck/mcfox/kevin/marc all make sense with what they push and are reliable reads later in the game. chibo is claimed doublevoter, i dont yet have a good read on omni. any case on bk is pretty much basically kneejerk towards him from the momentum after a chibo-unvote imo. zv is trying really hard and i think hes worthwhile. this leaves vyse airgemini and kataefi. you clashed with kataefi earlier in a way where if one of you were scum i doubt the other would be. you were doing better than your previous games with pattern recognition and actually asking questions but mcfox's 368 is a fairly good argument about how your questions are hot garbs. after he posted it, i told him he was wrong because you were trying, and it fizzled his case a bit. but with what we are working with, nobody else sticks out worse than you. i doubt i could be convinced to lynch kataefi instead.

You seemed annoyed/worried by the possibility of this happening. It's essentially what KevinM did. You stated "I also agree with basically everything KevinM has done all Day."

So yeah, that's why I asked that. But now I see you feel it isn't noteworthy and Kevin is just scumhunting.

Not comfortable with that.

unvote: vote: Tom

Going to go now.

Air's at L-1, probably not a good idea to hammer before he offers his defense.

Air, probably a good idea to offer your defense.

my sentiments quoted out of context. you will note that i was specifically talking about the susa v. xiivi argument and how i did not want everyone to simply go back and rely on them for the Day's lynch because of your monster-sized posts and monster post count overwhelming the day's discussion and directly contrasting you to susa.

here is the rest of the quote you left out, without your own arbitrary emphasis by bolding a section near the end and removing the qualifying specific instance that i am referring to when I say "SPECIFICALLY". yours doesnt even make sense because you cut out what i was specifically talking about.

It's an anti-town play style. Making a bunch of posts in a row just makes things harder for everyone else. It makes cursory glances through the thread worthless, it makes the normally semi-reliable "who's posted" worthless as a gauge for inactivity (by pushing yourself up, and in late game, making everyone still alive look steadily inactive), and it just puts the spot-light straight on yourself.

In this instance, I would like to heavily emphasize how it works in combination with Xiivi's early debates with and pertaining to SuSa. Xiivi is the center of attention (very much purposefully by his own posting style, one which he was told by more than just me to stop), and discussion is stagnating, and when the Day nears its end, it will be all too tempting to fall back on what happened at the very beginning of the Day, and vote for SuSa mostly out of Xiivi's massive-post influence.

Concision is pro-town.

 

[Airgemini]

I want to know where or at what point in this thread what I specifically did to get all these bandwagon votes on me. Seriously, it's kind of making me pissed because I see no reason behind it at all. So what if I voted for Kat? It's one vote. All of you are making such a big deal out of when there's bigger things to discuss. Seriously.

Right now my two main suspicions are Tom and McFox.
I get the feeling that McFox is trying to pressure me out of my vote for Kat (actually, I have a feeling that's what multiple people who are voting for me are trying to do). He's mentioned that he's considered switching to BK, but has bad vibes on me for some reason. What vibes?

And Tom earlier said

and Airgemini is low on my lynch list.

Now he switches his vote on me simply because he doesn't want a no lynch. What the **** changed Tom? What did I do to make you switch your opinion? ****, if that's the case on not wanting a no lynch, vote BK or Marc. I'm pretty sure I've been contributing more than both of them and they've both been pretty inactive (I think Marc had a valid reason though).

Seriously, if I get lynched I'm going to be super ****ty.

@ Vyse
There isn't a specific reason. It's really hard to describe, I just have a bad feeling about him, okay? Geez.

 

[Airgemini]

Didn't see your post Tom.
I guess you can ignore my posts regarding your quote.

 

[Tom]

what happened? i came back and deadline was in a day and i didnt want a NL.

why would i vote for marc?

 

[KevinM]

Wow Air, is really scrambling here.
And Zv you really have to stop assuming no one reads your posts, you just sound like an ass.

 

[KevinM]

Also you're saying that your main suspicions are Marc and Tom, what happened to Kat in all of this unless I forgot you saying he cleared himself in some way.

 

[McFox]

So your defense is an OMGUS without a vote and that if we lynch it will be bad?

You also managed to completely misrepresent the reason I'm voting you. The reason I'm voting you is because you aren't helping town at all. You're being very detrimental, by tunneling so hard on Kat. Nothing you have had to say so far about Kat has had any merit, and the only thing you haven't given up on at this point is that you get "bad vibes" from him. That doesn't help town.

 

[Kataefi]

Lynching me wouldn't be good because then I can't do what in ned to at night.

i probably should NOt be posting but I don't want to die because i am good for town.

I shouldn't post now. I hate when I make mistakes becauase it looks like I am faking but when I go back to correct typos, it's off and then OTHER stuff gets typoed ****.

Guys, strike that last post. Don't read. I am not important.

Let's just lynch air because... b vn

Oh dear...

So much inconsistency in your scattiness that it just doesn't sit well with me at all! I don't understand why we went down like a ton of bricks on Chibo for making a joke post and then abandon this facade entirely... It's unfortunate that Chibo had to prove himself when pressured but I'm doubting whether you'll be able to follow in his footsteps. We'll see...

vote: Crimson King

I like having a bit more to my vote, so:

Has SuSa been posting in other topics? Is he just ignoring us? We could either replace him out, get him modkilled if not, and lynch someone else.

I'm surprised here that you even mentioned a modkill, and then a lynch. I finally reread and understood what Air was saying in his response to this and I like that Air pointed this out first. Seems like you want to pile up the dead bodies imo... My stereotype of pro-town behaviour would be to suggest the option that has the least risk on town. Then again... a town modkill and then a town lynch would be perfect for mafia, no? You didn't seem phased here at the prospect of losing SuSa who could have swung as a possible townie... which coincidentally, he did...

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Note: I'm still very much suspicious of Air but I don't like these attitudes:

Let's just lynch air because... b vn

Why replace out if there is no activity. I'd say we can just lynch Air and from there we can draw a lot of connections are people ok with this?

vote: Airgemini

largely to avoid a No Lynch but also because I believe he is the prospect on the possible-lynch table who is most likely mafia and not just some simple easy-to-get lynch. I also agree with basically everything KevinM has done all Day.

I got pissed that Air voted me on a really vague basis... but these responses are SO vague I just don't know what to make of them. The fact that people are voting Air "just because..." really does make him that "easy-to-get lynch". I get a strong feeling mafia have set up a wagon against Air... I feel Xiivi has taken a good approach and really questioned stuff, whereas there are a lot of players who have been very cloudy in their reasoning just to await stuff on day 2. I feel Vyse isn't a mafia member and is playing consistently like he did in Grammy's - shredding posts and analysing things, but has also jumped on this wagon.

I find Tom also cleverly disguised his vote with a reason that actually provided no reasoning at all other than he doesn't want a no-lynch. Let's just throw death around randomly and see which townie catches it!

An additional reason as to why I'm so uncomfortable right now comes from Kevin and CK suggesting modkills, and then their sudden turnaround on Air with such little reasoning. CK's scattiness and inconsistency does not hold well for me. All this makes me think "hey, now that Omni's dead, let's target ANOTHER townie! What better outcome than to target 2 townies in one day and then kill ANOTHER at night. 3 Townies DEAD!"

That would be a great outcome for Mafia. Terrible outcome for Town. If Air proves mafia I'll admit what a bad case I've put forward, but that will still be 2 townies dead which is not so bad for Mafia at all and a townie dead is simply not good for town.
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@Air... Reading back a few pages I've come to realise you are just vague as a poster in general. You were vague in Grammy's, you're vague now - you don't post much content, and I don't think you ever will. I feel if you were mafia you'd mix it up a little because it's this vagueness and how you come across as inexperienced that got you lynched in Grammys... if you're mafia in this game I feel you'd do something to rectify this by posting a little differently... this was primarily why I held my vote against you but found you suspicious still.

I still do find you suspicious... just not enough right now to hammer you, as the " air is an easy-lynch" impression is too strong for me right now.

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Xiivi... the reason I never joined any 'wagons' is because I never saw anyone suspicious enough. I'm curious... if Omni was still alive right now, would he be at the forefront of your vote list?

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The deadline's wednesday. There's no rush to lynch anyone right now. I'd like CK and Xiivi to respond to this post and I want to see how others feel about my claim that that there is a possible wagon setup against Air by experience players because he is the "easy lynch".

 

[Kataefi]

Gaaaaahhhh! So many posts have happened... I'm a slow typer!

 

[KevinM]

Before I read the rest of your post I'm just kinda jotting this down the moment it came to me, when did I EVER ask for a modkill of Omni.

Please don't misconstrue fact's if you're a townie.

 

[KevinM]

I've stated my reasons for lynching Air on multiple occasions. By playing the way he has he has not benefited the town but he has drawn multiple connections with more then one player in this game. His flip would bring a lot of reads into the game, coupled with the night actions it could just be the spark we need here.

 

[Kataefi]

Why replace out if there is no activity.

Damn my bad kevin... I read it out of context... you were replying to Omni.

I got that impression from the quote and thought you meant "why replace if there's no activity? Why not just modkill?" etc etc...

 

[Crimson King]

unvote

Not ready for Air to die yet, but I have two questions:

Xiivi, can you link me to the questions you asked me?

Xiivi, can you give me a condesended version of why you think Tom deserves to die? I am just interested in how you went from a small piece about him in your long post to getting two votes on Tom in no time.

 

[Kataefi]

Just a question @Kevin - how confident are you that Air's death, despite him not really being involved in anyone else's business that much except hanging on to kill me, will reveal a lot in terms of connections with other people?

I fail to see how a day lynch will reveal many useful connections. Surely the night kill might reveal more than Air's day lynch? Air will just die, reveal himself as town or mafia, then that's it --> from what I can think of anyways ????

 

[Crimson King]

Thankfully, I did that when I did. I reread Tom's post, Kevin's post (that Air would give us a lot), and Air's reply.

Air: you just aren't helping.

Vote: Air

Kata: read the post where I said I was drunk for those posts. I thought I was going to get lynched (I was actually telling people here that I don't want to get lynched, and they were pretty freaked out.) It was short-sighted to post while under the influence, but it happens.

 

[Crimson King]

Just a question @Kevin - how confident are you that Air's death, despite him not really being involved in anyone else's business that much except hanging on to kill me, will reveal a lot in terms of connections with other people?

I fail to see how a day lynch will reveal many useful connections. Surely the night kill might reveal more than Air's day lynch? Air will just die, reveal himself as town or mafia, then that's it --> from what I can think of anyways ????

If Air flips Mafia, you will DEFINITELY come under a ton of scrutiny for posts like this. Air's flip will also place pressure on people trying for different lynches (Should he flip Mafia) and on the people pushing the lynch (should he flip town). We basically cannot lose in terms of information received from his death.

 

[Tom]

I find Tom also cleverly disguised his vote with a reason that actually provided no reasoning at all other than he doesn't want a no-lynch. Let's just throw death around randomly and see which townie catches it!

i didn't disguise anything at all. i have explicitly stated my reasoning and my vote was very much because i didnt want to No Lynch.

if you're going to step to me and tell me theres something wrong with lynching as opposed to not lynching, you're going to have to do way more than make a hyperbolic statement like "throw death around randomly and see which townie catches it" bull**** LOL.

 

[Kataefi]

I don't buy it CK I'm sorry =( - I'm in too much of a suspicious mood right now to buy it - it could have been staged, it could have been genuine. That's not the first time I've thought you could be setting something up either. I do know that in my eyes it wasn't a very pro-town thing to do, especially when Chibo got totally sliced and diced for making a jokey post with tons of players jumping on him.

This sort of inconsistency in you pushing pro-town behaviour and being the investigative enthusiast that you are... and then suddenly changing your mood doing random things like this doesn't do it for me, hence my vote.

@Tom... sorry for being hyperbolic - I hope I don't come off cocky or anything because I really don't intend to.

vote: Airgemini

largely to avoid a No Lynch

You could have just said this as the reason behind your vote. It's not panned out now.

 

[Kataefi]

@CK... I'm genuinely asking Kevin how a day lynch will reveal connections.

Note - I said I fail to see how it could reveal many connections - not that I don't believe it will reveal connections.

 

[KevinM]

Multiple people have posted about Air as well as how he's attacked you as well.

I fail to see where he won't leave multiple paper trials upon being lynched.

 

[Marc]

My apologies for being not very active. I must sound like a broken record by now, but my reasons are somewhat legit (other games that were further advanced) and lots of studying. I got the week off now though, so I'm here for you. :3

Since people prefer if I commit: I definitely see the worth in an air gemini lynch. I believe he's close to death so I won't hammer, but I'm willing to.

 

[Airgemini]

Why not Marc? What's holding you back?

 

[Marc]

Time is Town's most valued resource.

 

[KevinM]

I would disagree.

I would say discussion.

 

[Marc]

You need time for discussion. A Cop is pretty damn sweet as well, but you get the point.

I was just trying to answer his question.

 

[KevinM]

Discussion is still more important *shrugs* I'm just debating semantics really.

 

[Airgemini]

There's nothing really left to discuss though.
I'm obviously going to be the one getting lynched. /=

 

[KevinM]

He's already dead.

 

[KevinM]

Oh no he's not CK unvoted then voted again my bad.

Good so I can yell.

Air ****ing defend yourself or do something.

You're at L-1, claim, make a case for why we shouldn't lynch you, you're always going to be terrible if you just ****ing give up.

 

[Airgemini]

Okay, I'll start with a name claim because saying everything would be pretty stupid.
Hmmm I wonder if mafia put me in this position because they want me to power claim, etc.
Hmmm.

Anyways, I'm Kyou Fujibayashi.

 

[McFox]

Yes, all 5 of the people currently voting you are part of the mafia.

If you'll notice, no one said to name or role claim. Look at Kev's post again. He said to make a case for why we shouldn't lynch you. To do that, tell us how you will be useful to town. Show us something good you've done so far. Show us where we should be looking instead of at you.

In short, convince us that we should keep you around. Because claiming your anime name in no way does that.

 

[Crimson King]

Agreed, Kev. I was pretty aggrevated with the defeatist mentality.

Air: You have to at least TRY to convince us you are town. The majority of the lynch on you is because we don't want a No Lynch. Do you have ANYTHING useful to offer to town?

You're at L-1, claim, make a case for why we shouldn't lynch you, you're always going to be terrible if you just ****ing give up.

Yes, all 5 of the people currently voting you are part of the mafia.

If you'll notice, no one said to name or role claim. Look at Kev's post again. He said to make a case for why we shouldn't lynch you. To do that, tell us how you will be useful to town. Show us something good you've done so far. Show us where we should be looking instead of at you.

In short, convince us that we should keep you around. Because claiming your anime name in no way does that.

Actually, McFox, he DID say to claim.

 

[McFox]

Ah, I missed that. Still, if he could adequately defend himself, he wouldn't need to claim.

 

[McFox]

*EBWOP* Not to mention that a nameclaim is 100% worthless in this game, so his latest post proved nothing anyway.

 

[Airgemini]

Well, I think if you want to avoid a no lynch, at least lynch someone who has barely posted in this game, like BK. I've actually posted a lot in this game and I'm sure I've had slightly more to offer than him.

I haven't done anything mafia like at all, I think. And I'm contributing, my mind is just set on Kat. Depending on what happens during night, I might change my vote and look at someone else other than Kat.

 

[Tom]

Actually, I don't know what Kev+CK+McFox are talking about - you really should full claim.

 

[KevinM]

I never said claiming was your only option but just a name claim doesn't do **** in this game.

Idk what Tom is talking about by saying he doesn't know what I'm talking about.

 

[Tom]

IDK what KevinM is talking about when he says he doesn't know what I'm saying when I say I don't know what he's talking about.

Real talk.

and yo let's not get into silly semantics over the claiman and just all agree that its day 1 he's at L-1 and he is best prospect he should full claim. it's the exact same thing that happened with ChiboSempai and a name claim wouldn't have done anything for him just as it doesn't for Air.

 

[KevinM]

I thought that was self-explanatory for everyone but Air.