Meta "And Then Suddenly..." [1.1.5] Patch Discussion

[Sammi Husky]

List of changed ACMD scripts

Spoiler

data\fighter\bayonetta\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\bayonetta\script\animcmd\weapon\wickedweavearm\game.bin
data\fighter\cloud\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\duckhunt\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\ganon\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\gekkouga\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\kamui\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\kamui\script\animcmd\weapon\ryusensya\game.bin
data\fighter\kirby\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\link\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\lizardon\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\lizardon\script\animcmd\weapon\explosion\game.bin
data\fighter\metaknight\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\mewtwo\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\pacman\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\palutena\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\peach\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\reflet\script\animcmd\body\game.bin

Will be doing diffs as fast as i can get to them~

 

[PK Gaming]

Dragon Fang Shot (no charge) = unchanged
Dragon Fang Shot (level 1 charge) = 1% less damage (6>5)
Dragon Fang Shot (level 2 charge) = 1% less damage (7>6)
Dragon Fang Shot (level 3 charge) = 2% less damage (10>8)
Dragon Fang Shot (max) = 2% less damage (13>11)

This move was difficult to test so I could be wrong on a few of these values

Dragon Fang Shot (the bite portion) is unchanged

 

[Furret24]

Guys, Mewtwo is faster on the ground. He now runs faster that Meta Knight (possibly faster than Charizard) and walks faster than Game and Watch.

Evidence Below (Excuse Poor Quality)
https://youtu.be/ff6KuL3UTes (Running)
https://youtu.be/rR60fSvX4e0 (Walking)

 

[Luigi player]

Smash C-Stick doesn't seem to cancel aerial momentum anymore.

It does still make you unable to use the controlstick.

 

[ARGHETH]

Dragon Fang Shot (no charge) = unchanged
Dragon Fang Shot (level 1 charge) = 1% less damage (6>5)
Dragon Fang Shot (level 2 charge) = 1% less damage (7>6)
Dragon Fang Shot (level 3 charge) = 2% less damage (10>8)
Dragon Fang Shot (max) = 2% less damage (13>11)

This move was difficult to test so I could be wrong on a few of these values

Dragon Fang Shot (the bite portion) is unchanged

I'm getting those + a 7% stage in 1.1.5...
(I don't have access to a 1.1.4 3DS)

 

[Heartstring]

Just tested Greninja's Standing grab. It is now at least frame 11, because it beats out Bowser Jr's frame 12 standing grab now when done at the same time.
Proof: https://twitter.com/DAT_VwS_GP/status/709956751857160192

 

[Radical Larry]

So...


Jab is significantly faster.
Jab deals 8% damage anywhere but the tip of the attack, losing the 4% hitbox.


F-Smash deals 20% damage total uncharged.
U-Tilt deals less knockback.


N-Air deals 10% front, 9% back.
Dash deals 7% and doesn't whiff early.

 

[SM Mystic]

Zelda's Up Air now comes out faster. Confirmed by myself and Zylach.

 

[IceGoat]

Olimar's blue pikmin kill throw got nerfed - can't test for exact percents.

 

[PapaJ]

So...


Jab is significantly faster.
Jab deals 8% damage anywhere but the tip of the attack, losing the 4% hitbox.


F-Smash deals 20% damage total uncharged.
U-Tilt deals less knockback.


N-Air deals 10% front, 9% back.
Dash deals 7% and doesn't whiff early.

For link I get 14 damage on hit 1, for sweetspot, and 19 damage overall when both hits land. This is in Training Mode however

Edit: I seem to get 19 or 20 damage. So it's not going to do 20 all the time.

 

[link2702]

Don't have access to my wii u atm only 3ds, have they just not released it for 3ds yet? Cuz I don't have any update notifications for smash3ds at all

 

[ARGHETH]

F-Smash deals 20% damage total uncharged.

It always did 19/20%, according to KH. I'm getting both.

 

[DrizzyDrew]

i have yet to turn on my wii-u. I pulled the power cord and internet cable. Is there any way to still see my replays from 1.1.4 before updating while offline?

Thanks

 

[organizedchaos]

zss's bair feels weaker, might just be placebo

 

[Tidehunter]

No damage changes on

 

[Sammi Husky]

Ganondorf diff

Jab:

• startup increased
• hitbox 1 damage 7% -> 8%
• hitbox 1 X position 12 -> 11
• hitbox 2 X position 18 -> 19
• hitbox 3 damage 4% -> 6%

 

[Clamhat]

i have yet to turn on my wii-u. I pulled the power cord and internet cable. Is there any way to still see my replays from 1.1.4 before updating while offline?

Thanks

as long as you launch the game before it updates, you can still view your 1.1.4 replays. You can't upload them to youtube though.

 

[Luigi player]

Just tested Greninja's Standing grab. It is now at least frame 11, because it beats out Bowser Jr's frame 12 standing grab now when done at the same time.
Proof: https://twitter.com/DAT_VwS_GP/status/709956751857160192

its f11, tested it already posted on previous page ; )

 

[DrizzyDrew]

as long as you launch the game before it updates, you can still view your 1.1.4 replays. You can't upload them to youtube though.

I haven't launched the game yet and obv the update is out, hope is lost?

 

[FlynnCL]

I'll need someone to double-check for me, but from my testing Ganondorf's jab now hits on frame 7 instead of 8.

Animation length is now 28 frames, down from 34.

 

[Myran]

Olimar's blue pikmin kill throw got nerfed - can't test for exact percents.

How do you know?

 

[theanjo]

Falco's Down Smash does 15% uncharged throughout the entire move. Can't seem to get that 12% hit.

 

[Clamhat]

I haven't launched the game yet and obv the update is out, hope is lost?

I was able to launch my own game before the update was applied and my Wii U is connected to WiFi. If you don't have a wireless internet connection set up then you should be fine. Either way, don't plug your internet cord back in until you try starting up the game.

 

[drogoth232]

List of changed ACMD scripts

Spoiler

data\fighter\bayonetta\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\bayonetta\script\animcmd\weapon\wickedweavearm\game.bin
data\fighter\cloud\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\duckhunt\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\ganon\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\gekkouga\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\kamui\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\kamui\script\animcmd\weapon\ryusensya\game.bin
data\fighter\kirby\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\link\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\lizardon\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\lizardon\script\animcmd\weapon\explosion\game.bin
data\fighter\metaknight\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\mewtwo\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\pacman\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\palutena\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\peach\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\reflet\script\animcmd\body\game.bin

Will be doing diffs as fast as i can get to them~

I'd like to reiterate that this is a list of characters changed in some way.
Let's just read diffs pls. Diffs are fun to read.

 

[san.]

I'll need someone to double-check for me, but from my testing Ganondorf's jab now hits on frame 7 instead of 8.

Animation length is now 28 frames, down from 34.

I was testing vs. Ike's jab2 and they seemed identical. Not the most technical response, though.

 

[ARGHETH]

Falco's Down Smash does 15% uncharged throughout the entire move. Can't seem to get that 12% hit.

15.5%, actually. Two does 31% and 10 does 155%

 

[Sinister Slush]

Yoshi's dair was nerfed -2%, full move now does 32%

The move always did 34% but it's inconsistent in sometimes doing 33% or 32%, dunno what makes it do these 3 different percentages.
Dair damage is unchanged.

 

[FlynnCL]

If anyone is curious about Sheik's Needle Storm, I'm not getting any changes to the animation length.

Full charge is 53 total frames and partial charge is 46 total frames, like usual.

 

[Meshima]

Cloud diff
Peach diff

 

[theanjo]

15.5%, actually. Two does 31% and 10 does 155%

Nice find. Have you been able to get the sour hit, or is that completely gone?

 

[Dooms]

List of changed ACMD scripts

Spoiler

data\fighter\bayonetta\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\bayonetta\script\animcmd\weapon\wickedweavearm\game.bin
data\fighter\cloud\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\duckhunt\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\ganon\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\gekkouga\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\kamui\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\kamui\script\animcmd\weapon\ryusensya\game.bin
data\fighter\kirby\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\link\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\lizardon\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\lizardon\script\animcmd\weapon\explosion\game.bin
data\fighter\metaknight\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\mewtwo\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\pacman\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\palutena\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\peach\script\animcmd\body\game.bin
data\fighter\reflet\script\animcmd\body\game.bin

Will be doing diffs as fast as i can get to them~

This is only going down to Reflet, when we have confirmed changes after Reflet. Do you have a full list?

 

[IceGoat]

How do you know?

It is killing around 20 - 30 percent later

 

[Sammi Husky]

I can also confirm character specific parameter changes for all those characters, as well as changes to character attributes like weight and such

 

[Poyo Dose Games]

Toon Link changes (I confirmed these myself):
Neutral B damage (fully charged) 5 -> 12
Boomerang (late) 5 -> 3

 

[ARGHETH]

Nice find. Have you been able to get the sour hit, or is that completely gone?

I'm...actually not sure. It think it might have been buffed, since after doing 10 I've been getting anywhere from 154-156%.
EDIT: 153-156 now. I'd just wait for the data miners for this one, I'm getting really annoyed at it.
It does 15.X% regardless.

 

[Furil]

Here's a collection of the game.bin code differences.
I hope it's not too hard to read:
http://pastebin.com/FXkJH8DH

Edit:
New and Old are swapped
Whoopsie

To read it's the character name, then a hash of the name and possibly the name of the move, if my program detected it.
Then the new and old code for that move.

 

[Sammi Husky]

This is only going down to Reflet, when we have confirmed changes after Reflet. Do you have a full list?

Whoops, wrong list.. Yea Samus, Shiek, ZSS, and Zelda have changed moveset files as well.

 

[Myran]

It is killing around 20 - 30 percent later

My numbers are saying otherwise. Gonna need some proof or something.

 

[Apeirohaon]

Cloud diff
Peach diff

based on this, what I've got for cloud:

fsmash kbg 119 -> 115
up air damage 13/9 -> 12/8
limit cross slash last hit kbg 155 -> 153
dsmash hit 2 kbg 96 -> 94

 

[FlynnCL]

Cloud diff
Peach diff

This is how I see it...

• Forward Smash (final hit) KBG 119 > 115
• Down Smash (final hit) KBG 96 > 94
• Up air damage 13% > 12% (clean) 9.5% > 8.5% (late)
• Limit Cross Slash KGB 155 > 153
• An aerial Finishing Touch added that has 359 KBG rather than 417 (???)

Edit: Ninja'd!