An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[bd43]

I think CoroCoro may have confirmed that every character could be unlocked in SSE.

With multiplayer match total and time totals being the second and third way.

Granted, the multiplayer match total would be the fastest to hit.

 

[Darkraid]

Coro coro revealed nothing. I have both copies, checked it out, Nothing.

 

[Luigi player]

Lol, why would Corocoro lie?

Sakurai already told us that "most" characters are unlocked through SSE, and not all.

 

[bd43]

It's just what I heard came along with the whole Snake and Sonic unlockable piece.

But it's rather likely. Assuming this was the roster, it'd make sense to use every villian, and a majority of those characters were confirmed in SSE anyway. Only WW Link wouldn't make sense.

 

[Zinfandel]

Okay, so that's the newest roster...

But what lend it credibility - is it the only one that contains Lucario, Jiggs and Ness?

 

[Anth0ny]

This new development is only making Chaos Zero look better and better...

 

[Sinistar]

People; you really can't argue about this.


Proof is proof.

 

[Zinfandel]

Krystal's not in = Fake. I am not even going to argue my point.

 

[Terrabottuti]

I bet I'm going to be burned alive for saying this, but I actually don't mind the 35-character nightmare roster that ChronoBound has been suggesting..I'm terribly biased though, since my dream roster has been all but confirmed already.

Yep, Brawl has already announced tons of characters that I have wanted to see in for ages, and I've also grown to really like the few others that surprised me as well. The fact that Ness is coming back is really great for me, mostly because my girlfriend really likes Ness and I really like Lucas, and I've been getting worried that my favorite psychic kid had replaced hers... I feel exceptionally lucky that I have had all my rather simple dreams come true for this game. (A Luigi would be fine too though)

I do have one small issue about the idea of 35 characters, though... if this ends up being true then it means Nintendo has handled the Dojo pretty terribly because they have announced waaay too many newcomers when you consider the potential number left! I can understand a few important ones like the trailer newcomers, Lucas and the 3rd parties, but I feel some of the others could have been kept as little secrets... since there's not gonna be much else left to look forward to if this theory holds water. It just seems very shoddy of the team to do this, but I suppose they aren't robots, are they?

Look, it might not be 100% true, but there is a fair bit to back it up so we cannot discard it, lest we face an even bigger disappointment if we just keep our head in the clouds like before this all ever happened. At least I've been able to keep my head cool about all this, so it's just really sad to see everyone getting really angry over this game.

 

[mezbomber]

what happened to "more characters than you can imagine"? I guess it was never mentioned that a large amount of those characters would be ATs, bosses, SSE cameos, trophies, stickers...and then a few of them would be PCs.

If this roster is for reals, I'd rather have the game delayed for another year if it meant more PCs.

 

[Pieman0920]

Hmm, one thing I don't get is that people keep on adding ShadowXOR's prediction of R.O.B. being in these final lists of 35 characters, when he also put up King K. Rool acording to this. Is that a error or something, cause it's not in his predictions there, but it shows up later in some of the contradictions.

 

[Terrabottuti]

what happened to "more characters than you can imagine"? I guess it was never mentioned that a large amount of those characters would be ATs, bosses, SSE cameos, trophies, stickers...and then a few of them would be PCs.

If this roster is for reals, I'd rather have the game delayed for another year if it meant more PCs.

You know, now that you've mentioned it, I'm pretty sure they COULD have meant that all those characters would be things like ATs, Bosses, Trophies and whatever else would be justifiable... a few little leakers have said that ATs would have small roles in the SSE as well, which would be a great little spin for Nintendo, but for us? Not so much.

Pieman0920 : People keep adding ShadowXOR's predictions since everything he has said has agreed with various other credable leakers now... also, somebody else who is more famously credible has mentioned R.O.B. apparently, so it makes sense to look at R.O.B. when you have that kind of backup.

 

[ChronoBound]

Hmm, one thing I don't get is that people keep on adding ShadowXOR's prediction of R.O.B. being in these final lists of 35 characters, when he also put up King K. Rool acording to this. Is that a error or something, cause it's not in his predictions there, but it shows up later in some of the contradictions.

ShadowXOR only mentioned Captain Falcon, Ness, Marth, and R.O.B. Remo and MarkMan have both said that the four remaining newcomers are Toon Link, Lucario, Wolf, and R.O.B.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well the was the deal with K. Rool?


EDIT: If he never said it, shouldn't it be taken down that he did? It's not in his section, but in another's.

 

[Levia7han117]

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[Darkraid]

I hope this is all fake, an early april's fool perhaps. What a nightmare, I guess I'll buy brawl though, but the hype for me has evaporated.

 

[Luigi player]

I hope this is all fake, an early april's fool perhaps. What a nightmare, I guess I'll buy brawl though, but the hype for me has evaporated.

So true...

 

[firebird34]

I'm gonna have to believe chaos zero he has most credibility along with serebii I'll pretty much believe anything they say

 

[webrunner]

1) They wouldn't make ROB both playable AND a generic enemy. They would have done one or the other, not both.

2) The model isn't playable-character quality.

3) "The escort the Ancient Minister brings with him is a R.O.B squad?! There are some that fire beams and others that fire missiles." - it's mentioned as being a squad, and that they have different abilities. If they were playable then there would be only one type and wouldn't be specifically a "squad".

 

[Darkraid]

ROB would be perfect for target practice. They are weak and slow, how am I suppose to believe them as PCs?

I'll only give them a little respect if it's FS turn it into MEGAZOID.

 

[raul]

1) They wouldn't make ROB both playable AND a generic enemy. They would have done one or the other, not both.

2) The model isn't playable-character quality.

3) "The escort the Ancient Minister brings with him is a R.O.B squad?! There are some that fire beams and others that fire missiles." - it's mentioned as being a squad, and that they have different abilities. If they were playable then there would be only one type and wouldn't be specifically a "squad".

I agree. This roster is nothing more than speculation at best. I'll give you the Lucario/JigglyPuff icons on How to Play, but nothing more. Everytime we jump to a conclusion we get burn. If this roster is BS than it will burn all the way down, but if its not it will roar the day Japan spoilers flood the internet. I am very skeptical.

 

[FlipTroopa]

R.O.B. fits the bill as a WTF character. Definitely.

But yeah, my hype has dropped to ZERO with this roster. Not exciting in the least. They basically blew their wad early with characters like Pit, Wario, Dedede, etc. Should've made them secret so we at least would have stuff to look forward to. I have NOTHING to look forward to being revealed now. I just want the game so I can play it mindlessly like I did Melee, which also very much insulted my Nintendo loyalty. I'm not even looking forward to new "leaks" or updates anymore--this is such a depressing letdown.

....At least they didn't forget Kid Icarus this time around :/

 

[k4polo]

I will just post here then. I believe in MarkMan. Plus you add Reno to it. MarkMan is good at getting news in general. He doesn't just focus on Tekken but mainly on Tekken for news. His website is SDTEKKEN.com if you wanted to know. (Also I am a bigTekken fan.)

I think the 35 characters is 100% true. I believe R.O.B is going to be the odd ball that no one expect to actually make the game. He would be the surprise WTF character as people called. Also note that people get the game early. Some game company and magazines get the game a week or two earlier than the released date as always with any game.

Finally we can see if the "prophets" are truthful at least to a good degree. I dont call them "prophets" real, I like to call them people that had inside information in some kind of way

Personally, 35 is enough form. As long as the change the gameplay, I am fine with it.



Also I think alot are disappointed since alot of people had this character fro brawl on their sigs or had post for this character for brawl.Then when the real results come out. They are left with disappointment. Also you guys can call me wrong if you want.

 

[Jesus Freak Nor]

"-Character: R.O.B. (UltimateX64 says R.O.B. is not playable)"

UltimateX64 is fake. Just pointing this out.

Awesome list tho. Keep it up. It is good to FINALLY have a real leak. lol.

 

[FlipTroopa]

I just can't believe this--I'm sorry. We had been calling our worse fears for a while, saying that if we "added the remaining likely veterans we'd get dangerously close to 35," but this is ridiculous. Only four more newcomers? Judging by Melee standards, this makes sense. But this isn't Melee. This is a different game.

Out of the starting roster we got a lot of characters that we wanted. Pit, Trainer, Meta Knight, Dedede, Diddy. I'm not gonna lie--it's fantastic. But leaving out some other obvious choices, and fan-driven characters to boot, makes the roster a little shaky. Call me naive or ignorant all you want, but I'm not buying THIS roster until we get actual information from Nintendo.

Lucario, Ness, and Puffster put the nail in the coffin for a LOT of things. But they DID NOT confirm Wolf, ROB, WW Link, or any of that crap. Yes, it coincides wonderfully with a lot of leakers. But do they themselves, by being in the game if they are, confirm the roster stops at 35 characters? SSE may feel like it's robbing the game of value, but it can't rob it of a beefy roster. I'm sorry, but the amount of crap that is in this game should have no effect on the amount of playable characters in the least. That's just not a valid reason.

What happened to the Krystal VA leak? The supposed confirmation of Square-Enix involvement? The other "confirmed until deconfirmed" leakers who said there was still just a little bit more? The millions upon millions of Geno, Krystal, Ridley, and K. Rool threads on English and Japanese forums alike?

If Sakurai were truly listening to the fans, and I'm positive he is, he would know better than to seclude even one of those characters. Wolf had nowhere near the fan support Krystal had. Or Ridley. And why is Mario LOSING representation? How did Star Fox become so freakishly popular? It just seems far too backwards.

I know Melee's roster was the same way. "Who the hell is Roy?" "DOCTOR MARIO? WTF!" "Pichu is NOT likely with Pikachu in tow..." "Um... hello Wario? Where are you?" I remember it very, very well. But again: this is NOT Melee. This is BRAWL, and it is the LAST Smash game as far as Sakurai is concerned. It better be a ****ing blowout.

A god**** blowout.

 

[Deleted member]

Well the was the deal with K. Rool?


EDIT: If he never said it, shouldn't it be taken down that he did? It's not in his section, but in another's.

Yeah, I never said anything about King K. Rool, please remove that MajinNecro69.

 

[Japanese Monk]

Well you guys are completely ignoring Chaos Zeros posts. Hes pretty much said the 35 roster is most likely false. Ill post everything he said yesterday.

 

[BKBroiler]

Have you considered adding Korobooshi?
His roster is weird, but then again so was melee's.

http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2089

 

[Musica Amante]

There's a guy over at NeoGAF named MarkMan who claims to be a prophet.

Apparently alot've the 'higher ups' on NeoGAF (mods, members, etc.) say he's a really trustworthy source and has leaked information for other fighting games like Tekken.

He claims Wolf is definitely a playable character, so is Falco, he claims Ridley is "100% NOT a playable character", the roster has 35 characters, and there are no more third-party characters other than Snake and Sonic.

 

[FlipTroopa]

There's a guy over at NeoGAF named MarkMan who claims to be a prophet.

Apparently alot've the 'higher ups' on NeoGAF (mods, members, etc.) say he's a really trustworthy source and has leaked information for other fighting games like Tekken.

He claims Wolf is definitely a playable character, so is Falco, he claims Ridley is "100% NOT a playable character", the roster has 35 characters, and there are no more third-party characters other than Snake and Sonic.

Yeah, this is what we've been arguing about for a while. But thanks for summing it up for those curious, and confirming the dude has reputation.

Oy...

 

[Luigi player]

ChaosZero THINKS 35 characters would be strange, but he never said it is wrong.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

I am very concerned with 35 characters roster. I really hope that Serebii can deconfirm 35 characters so we can rest and figure out what we can go from there.

 

[Revven]

Yay Falco and WOLF! YESSSS! OMG! I can't believe they're both basically in the game! Holy hell, fuggin' sweet! I don't care about the roster that much anymore anyway, I can't really hate it. It has too many characters I like (Sonic, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Falco, PT, and etc.) I really hope to God Sakurai updates Wolf, Falco, or R.O.B this week to confirm this roster even further!

Yes, I'm excited. I'm not angry, it's just a game after all. 'Sides, it's a game that'll last us forever.

 

[radiansansred]

Hi. Through lurking through the boards and reading all these lists and stuff, I feel compelled to sign up and speak on a few things.
I honestly don't believe Reno and Markman's lists either, yes, due to R.O.B.. Unless you have a souped-up R.O.B., or ROB 64 from the Star Fox games (which would apparently make alot of people lower their heads in shame or shake their fists in anger), there's no way that can be close to real.
Also, even though I've noticed that they haven't said that he's NOT in the game, I looked through one of the list and saw that they have YET to actually confirm that Luigi is in the game, and that REALLY shatters this list. But they haven't said anything yet, so if the Launch Day comes around and Luigi's in the game, they'll spin the story their way by saying "Well we never said Luigi WASN'T in the game".
Finally, as many people are saying, what ARE Reno and Markman's credientials anyway? Sure, they've done credible work on Virtua Fighter and Tekken, so why are we to believe them for SSB? What, do they work for Famitsu or something? Because honestly, unless they work for a magazine, there's no way that they actually know this. At. All. For all we know, these two guys could just be looking to shake up the Smash Community by throwing out these lists.
I mean, I'm buying the game, mostly because I don't deal with hype. Sure, I got a little bit excited when Sonic was announced, but generally, I'm looking for a new Smash Bros. game to play, not THE GREATEST SMASH GAME EVARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!11!1!11. Plus, it helps that I had no real hopes other than Mega Man, but even then I didn't care too much, due to the fact that Capcom most likely would've chosen MegaMan.EXE over the original. Call me a name if you'd like, but I'm not interested in Ridley, and I honestly haven't played enough of Super Mario RPG to find out why Geno is so beloved (although from descriptions, I do admit that Geno would be interesting to play as). And honestly, the complaints about WW Link and Wolf are kinda unbelievable to me. Yeah, we have another Link. We had two in the last game as well. And sure, we have another Fox clone. Sure, this goes against what other people want, but Fox and Falco are popular, and I could've easily seen them throwing in a third Star Fox character from the get-go. Krystal OR Wolf.
In the end, this is just my opinion. I'm not that much of a hardcore gamer, but I know enough. Plus, when you really look at it, yeah, it has alot to do with what Sakurai did by revealing Pit, Wario, and many others up front. Sure, Snake could've worked because then we could've speculated on who the second third-party character would've been, even though it was blatantly obvious, but even then he SHOULDN'T had been revealed until the game's release date or even afterwards, not just as a "Sorry for the delay" present.

 

[Japanese Monk]

There's a guy over at NeoGAF named MarkMan who claims to be a prophet.

Apparently alot've the 'higher ups' on NeoGAF (mods, members, etc.) say he's a really trustworthy source and has leaked information for other fighting games like Tekken.

He claims Wolf is definitely a playable character, so is Falco, he claims Ridley is "100% NOT a playable character", the roster has 35 characters, and there are no more third-party characters other than Snake and Sonic.

Yeah this is old news. Really old. Thats why everyone on the boards are complaining about a supposed 35 character roster. Not really because the quantity but the quality. Im sure we could all do without some of these characters. (Id take Geno over Diddy any day)

Also to note Chaos Zero has been saying that he thinks the roster is false. Here is one of his post:

Hey....

just so you know, I didn't say anything about Mewtwo being in SSE. I don't know anything about SSE.

And if you want to add the following to my "official statement," I just remembered something else my source told me.

Unfortunately it isn't very concrete...but it could give people hope...I'll check my chat logs to make sure the info is correct, but my computer is broken right now. The system file or whatever of windows isn't readable, and the stupid computer won't even recognize my USB keyboard. Anyway, here it is:


"Most series have around 3 characters." I'll double check it later....but hey! That's something right?

And hes been saying some stuff on Gfaqs too. ( where he originated) If you dont know, he was the one who leaked Lucario, Ness, the dragoon parts and a few other things back in october.

Personally I don't believe Markman yet. Things arent fitting together like they should if he were to be correct. R.O.B? THATS A MAYBE. And what about the unknown 19th Icon and the DS/AC Icon? Those emblems being in the "brawl" section of the emblem theory, with some before actual characters. Sakurai ordered the icons with a purpose.

I dont see why three icons (Unknown/DS/AC) with no reps would be placed before Sonic and Olimar. One could argue that the supposed R.O.B. icon would be one but that still leaves two emblems that are oddly placed. I would think if theres an emblem with no rep it would be either placed at the beginning or end of a particular section, not randomly placed within.

So heres the Brawl section:

15. Animal Crossing Emblem

16. WarioWare Emblem

17. Kojima Emblem (snake)

18. Kid Icarus Emblem

19. UNKNOWN AS OF YET

20. Sonic Emblem

21. Ds Emblem

22. Pikmin Emblem

For Markman to be right 2 of the 3 cant have a rep. Whether that mean that ROB is a DS emblem or the unknown one. So having said that I find it highly unlikely.

edit: unless the japanese listed it alphebetically.

 

[Jenkins: Spy Monkey]

Well you guys are completely ignoring Chaos Zeros posts. Hes pretty much said the 35 roster is most likely false. Ill post everything he said yesterday.

Really? Very interesting. The game has taken yet another dramatic turn. *smokes pipe*

 

[Agosta44]

Yay Falco and WOLF! YESSSS! OMG! I can't believe they're both basically in the game! Holy hell, fuggin' sweet! I don't care about the roster that much anymore anyway, I can't really hate it. It has too many characters I like (Sonic, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Falco, PT, and etc.) I really hope to God Sakurai updates Wolf, Falco, or R.O.B this week to confirm this roster even further!

Yes, I'm excited. I'm not angry, it's just a game after all. 'Sides, it's a game that'll last us forever.

Yeah you're happy cuz you got what you wanted. Enjoy playing Super Star Fox Brothers

 

[Boofer]

Yeah this is old news. Really old. Thats why everyone on the boards are complaining about a supposed 35 character roster. Not really because the quantity but the quality. Im sure we could all do without some of these characters. (Id take Geno over Diddy any day)

Also to note Chaos Zero has been saying that he thinks the roster is false. Here is one of his post:

He said nothing about the roster being false.

 

[Kooichi]

Yay Falco and WOLF! YESSSS! OMG! I can't believe they're both basically in the game! Holy hell, fuggin' sweet! I don't care about the roster that much anymore anyway, I can't really hate it. It has too many characters I like (Sonic, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Falco, PT, and etc.) I really hope to God Sakurai updates Wolf, Falco, or R.O.B this week to confirm this roster even further!

Yes, I'm excited. I'm not angry, it's just a game after all. 'Sides, it's a game that'll last us forever.

I'm just as happy as you are :D I've always preferred Falco and Wolf over Krystal, and been supporting that. The three most skilled pilots of Star Fox in Brawl. Man, I hope this ends up being true. This roster may be small but it's AWESOME!

Looks like R.O.B. is the WTF character. Nice XD Lets wait and see how this turns out.

 

[Japanese Monk]

He said nothing about the roster being false.

actually he did. Over at Gfaqs. Unfortunately I only have an account at Gamespot so Im seeing if I can login at Gfaqs with my GS information to see his post history.

Nice try though. It sucks when your wrong dont it?