You know what. There's not point reasoning with some people at this point.
Disappointed about a roster is one thing, but I'm sorry, throwing things out like "Abomination" and "Horrendous" is ********.
But none the less, people are going to do it. I'd tell you to cry more, but I'm aggravated coming back to the thread watching the progress people helped make to a suitable discussion just thrown aside so people can cry and moan over all of it.
You're turning this board in to GameFAQS. Don't like what I'm saying? Stop overreacting. You are. Every person who argued about this roster not being up to Par didn't throw out things like "THIS IS TERRIBLE! IT'S LIKE THEY CRUCIFIED THE GAME!" because that's just ********.
I've said it three times, and I'll say it again... even with the 25 characters you had earliar, people assumed this to be an excellent roster. Now they've added 10, that may not have been your suggestions but were still valid, and you're still crying.
And once again, every time you say 35 is too small, I want to punch you. Did you miss the point in which the average character roster for a fighting game was? LET ME REFRESH YOUR FRIGGEN MEMORY:
32-- TEKKEN
23-- SF3:3RD STRIKE
20-- SF2TURBO
22-- DOA4
18-- VF5
37-- SFA3
The ONLY one that tops Smash's roster is SFA3, and we're forgetting they pretty much just threw in RE USED sprites(without updated movesets or tweaks which Sakurai has promised us). And besides the VS games which much of the time use simplified move sets(excluding CvS2. I'll give you that, but that's hardly enough to justify how bad some of these people are *****ing), You've gotten a roster in the HIGH NUMBERS.
THIS GAME IS A FIGHTING GAME. QUIT CRYING. It just amazes me how some people with High posts(I'll give you a hint, they're named after a final fantasy character!) go so overboard with the roster. If you were HONESTLY getting into this game SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE(That means, "JUST BECAUSE") of expecting a character who at the get go wasn't even announced to be in it in the first placed, NOR had a confirmed spot... that's just ********.
I don't go and play STREET FIGHTER, talk about how great the game is, and then when I find out Guile isn't unlockable, chuck my controller at the scream and go out to stab people. Why? Because that would be immature, and stabbing people is difficult, because they're are cops everywhere, and Link has been stabbed like 83 times already due to how many STUPID rosters have been leaked it's unbelievable.
If you're over the age of fifteen, show some **** maturity and please don't overreact like 95 percent of this thread has been doing for the past 10 hours. It's just ludicrously stupid. You guys are better than that.
If I have to post this again, I'm going to do it in large caps letters, because you people dont' seem to be getting the point.
Hmm, I wonder to whom you might be preaching...could it be
moi? Well, in that case:
1) Hyperbole has its place; don't forget it. Words like "abomination," "horrendous," and the like are used for effect (or at least when I've seen them). Granted, they still betray a disappointment with choices made about this roster, but I think you're overanalyzing the word choice of many of us malcontents.
2) I don't agree with the people that simply say how awful the roster is sans explanation. Some, however, bring up valid concerns and problems with what has been (allegedly) revealed. (I will touch more upon this in the next section.)
3) Oh, what a difference 10 characters make, though! You're comparing two radically different times: think of it as the world pre- and post-World War II. A major event (allegedly true roster reveal) that turned the world upside down. (Again, hyperbole--learn to understand it. But there is absolutely no denying that the Smash community isn't generally up in arms about all of this.) When it was simply the 25 characters revealed by the DOJO, the roster seemed perfect. Sakurai was really taking directly from the famed "journal," and it seemed like this game was all about fanservice. We had so many newcomers, and it seemed unlikely that we could possibly have seen most of them...there had to be plenty more hidden newcomers, too...right? Until this alleged leak came to pass, I was convinced that this roster would be truly perfect. Delusional? Perhaps. But few of us had any reason to doubt that Sakurai was doing everything possible to please as many fans as possible: plenty of characters, and good ones at that.
Since you are most likely addressing
my disdainful remark about the "ridiculously small" roster, that was more in reference to a point brought up by FlipTroopa. I could live with a 35-character roster, don't get me wrong; but my sardonic comment was more criticismic of the way in which Nintendo's own hype and information have shaped our collective expectations for the game. Sakurai has hinted that this would be his last game, or at least the last Smash game. The DOJO frequently makes note of things being as good as they possibly can be, saying that "they really have thought of everything!" Our expectations are high for a good reason.
Your figures aren't necessary in this case; I
know that 35 is a big number for a character roster in a fighting game, and I'm sure most of the community here does as well. The only games that come to mind with higher numbers are MvC, and that's a different beast altogether. (Although Smash-X was kind enough to post roster numbers that were actually higher than 35, just for reference.) As you might have noticed (in perusing the thread's previous pages), members like ChronoBound and myself are disappointed with the
quality, NOT quantity of the roster.
And in that same vein, the reason many of us are disappointed is not because there are only 10 characters left; we are disappointed because of
who is left. Most of these "last surprises" are highly unsurprising: 6.5 veterans, 3.5 newcomers. (I use halves because Toon Link is essentially Young Link--a veteran--with a graphical overhaul, making him technically a newcomer.) Among those newcomers, two are HIGHLY questionable (Wolf and R.O.B.), and one is questionable in the sense of who it replaced (Lucario replacing Mewtwo). The fact that StarFox gets three representatives, at least one of whom will likely be a Fox clone, seems odd when a franchise like Metroid is still left with Samus by her lonesome--not to mention the fact that Wolf hadn't NEARLY the amount of fan support that Krystal had.
Also lacking is the element of surprise. These characters, these faces that we've all seen before--THESE are the hidden characters?! We expect something unexpected and exciting; to leave rehashed characters as "secret" seems anticlimactic. This is what posters like FlipTroopa and myself mean when we say that our hype for the game has died. There isn't anything terribly exciting about the characters left to be revealed. Three-fourths of the remaining combatants have all been seen before, and the other quarter of them are questionable choices. To unlock Ridley, for example, would be far more surprising and enjoyable than unlocking, for example, Wolf.
4) Ah, the personal reference. Since you are so interested in figures--including my high post count--might I suggest that you take a peek at when I joined these boards? ...August 2001, you say? Ah, I see. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Brawl was first officially announced at E3 '05--May 2005, am I right? And, well, barring some strange rift in the time-space continuum, I find it to be a physical impossibility for me to have "HONESTLY" become so enthralled with this game "SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE" (i.e. "JUST BECAUSE") of expecting an unconfirmed character whose chances aren't guaranteed.
Yes, 'tis true: I joined in anticipation of Melee way back when. And I never got involved with the Smash series because I was truly hoping that X character would be playable--that's foolish. I became enthralled with the series because Nintendo has been a huge part of my life since age 3. To me, the Smash series encapsulates so much (if not all) of what Nintendo is. I love the Smash series for its style, its gameplay, and its celebration of Nintendo's history.
That being said, despite my love of Smash stemming from its overarching features, the specifics DO matter, and no specific aspect is more important than the roster itself. One excluded character does not a bad roster make (again, hyperbole is our friend sometimes!), but a slew of them missing does tend to fuel discontent with the final product. It isn't as though I will boycott the game and curse the name of Nintendo. Of course I'll buy the game on release day, probably as early as possible so I can play it as much as possible on the day of release. It just won't be nearly as exciting as it could have been--wasted potential, to be frank.
So, in short, I think that there
are overreactions throughout the thread, but I wouldn't call them a majority by any means. MANY of us are legitimately dissatisfied with the roster for realistic reasons--very few people were expecting 75 characters with 4 reps per franchise or something exorbitant. I think you're either misconstruing some of what has been said by a good number of us, or simply overemphasizing those who do not rationalize their complaints.
And, since you chose to go toe-to-toe (
): who are
you to complain about this thread and those who post in it? Come down off that high horse for a second; no one asked you to come preach to the disgruntled masses, and I honestly don't think your admonitions are as necessary as you have deluded yourself into believing. If you are
so aggravated with this thread every time you come back, there's a simple solution: don't.
Much as your misguided, pseudo-altruism has driven you preach to us, I must likewise stress a point to you:
Many members of the Smash community were highly disappointed with Melee's final roster. Many members of the Smash community
will be similarly disappointed with Brawl's final roster. There will be plenty of complaining; frankly, I think this thread is just the tip of the iceberg. Granted, it will die down after a good while, but it won't be immediate.
And, again, if you are
so aggravated by the general dissatisfaction with this roster, just think: wouldn't you rather people complain now instead of later? I, for one, would much prefer to get it all over with now.
I look forward to reading your original message once again. And, say, if you
really want to garner some attention, don't just go bold--underline and italicize, pump the text up to size 7 (at least!), and put it all in red! I'm sure
that will get the message across.
