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Your missing the point. Kicking *** on wifi is like kicking a dead baby. It doesnt get you anywhere.lol ok guys whatever you say don't matter as long as you can kick *** thats all that matters.
Oddly enough that is a common occurrence.it makes me think that I'm hearing it from people that keep walking into Ike's forward smashes and blaming it on lag.
Actually it can get you money on AiB. Try and act like you wouldn't kick a dead baby for money...wait I mean. Ah nevermind.Your missing the point. Kicking *** on wifi is like kicking a dead baby. It doesnt get you anywhere.
For me, the money that comes with it is just the cherry on top.Actually it can get you money on AiB. Try and act like you wouldn't kick a dead baby for money...wait I mean. Ah nevermind.
Yes. You can't see it, KingChaos, but your connection is red.lol its true that wifi does hinder peoples abilities but at the same time is it really that big a difference? I mean really a lot of the people i play im 2 stocking often will offline really make that much of a difference?
I recall the last time when someone here in the Samus boards suggested that we all do a Samus ditto tournament, that Hylian thought it was a stupid idea. Mars-, another member of SWF, said that "online warriors get ***** in real life." Then there was Simna ibn Sind, who said at AiB, that online matches are "auto-johned to begin with," and that anyone who has to say, "No johns" in regard to online matches are either trolls, or they don't know what they're talking about.Because im better offline anyways since my abilities arnt hindered either.People always feel that lag is affecting them way worse when it really isn't that bad they just hate being ***** and lag john.
We're not saying that you're not good, KingChaos. We're saying that online sucks ***. The only thing it is good for is practice and familiarizing yourself with tactics people use. That's all. Then there are tournaments where you actually play the game in real-time. Wi-Fi tries to create real-time, but it can't do so.Some freinds of mine i play I murder online then play offline and still murder them so...If your an really good on wifi you may not be as good in comparison to some of the offline pros but you will still be very good if anything you will have lots of match up experience which is still useful offline to know about.Just because I happen to be really good at wifi people think i can't play offline lol its easier.
Sorry, but you have it the other way around, dude.I recall the last time when someone here in the Samus boards suggested that we all do a Samus ditto tournament, that Hylian thought it was a stupid idea. Mars-, another member of SWF, said that "online warriors get ***** in real life." Then there was Simna ibn Sind, who said at AiB, that online matches are "auto-johned to begin with," and that anyone who has to say, "No johns" in regard to online matches are either trolls, or they don't know what they're talking about.
i just jacked myself into the online world. i'm better than you. random matches lag horribly, i've got to get me some friendzlol ok guys whatever you say don't matter as long as you can kick *** thats all that matters.
Thanks for proving my point, Sir 0rion. The fact that I know there is a possibility of lag being on Wi-Fi simply means that if I try my hardest in an enviroment with lag, not only am I fighting my opponent, but lag as well. It's not like I am asking to have these two things affect me. If I could rid of it in order to have real-time play, then I would. Lag and latency hinder what you could do otherwise offline. That's a fact. Don't tell me that I have it "the other way around. I don't need to make excuses for losing online. Online itself is an excuse. It's not like Mario Kart for the Wii.Sorry, but you have it the other way around, dude.
Online lag is an EXPECTED part of wi-fi gameplay. It's not something that happens randomly (occasional spikes notwithstanding). You go in KNOWING there's going to be lag.
Bottom line: if you make excuses for losing, whether it's because of lag, or Final Destination's ledge, or because your opponent chain grabbed you, YOU ARE STILL MAKING EXCUSES. You lost fair and square and COULD NOT adapt to the way the game was played. By blaming certain elements of the game itself, you make it clear that you are just trying to save face.
And again, there is a REASON that the better wi-fi players win so consistently online. It's not because of dumb luck or because wi-fi is somehow unplayable with certain characters. That's GARBAGE. Ally beats people all the time with CAPTAIN FREAKING FALCON. They win all the time because they've adapted to the differences between online and offline play, while YOU have not.
Online play is different from offline play. No one is disputing that. It can occasionally require different abilities and knowledge than offline play does. But if you can't keep up with someone because of minor button lag, then you suck at playing online. You might be halfway decent offline (and I emphasize might), but you suck online. It's not the you're better than your opponent, but got screwed by the lag. No, you got BEATEN by your opponent, because he was more versatile than you, end of story.
Give me a break, man. I mean, seriously.Thanks for proving my point, Sir 0rion. The fact that I know there is a possibility of lag being on Wi-Fi simply means that if I try my hardest in an enviroment with lag, not only am I fighting my opponent, but lag as well. It's not like I am asking to have these two things affect me. If I could rid of it in order to have real-time play, then I would. Lag and latency hinder what you could do otherwise offline. That's a fact. Don't tell me that I have it "the other way around. I don't need to make excuses for losing online. Online itself is an excuse. It's not like Mario Kart for the Wii.
I never said that some characters aren't harder to use online. NOT ONCE.Another thing which I find ridiculous on your part is where you think that certain characters don't have as much of a difficult time online.
You can't see the forest for the trees, can you? I'm saying that using online as an excuse for not playing as any character is a falsehood, too. And you might actually look up who Ally is sometime. You might just learn a thing or two.One of the other funny things I find is where you state that this "Ally" person beats people online with Captain Falcon. I wonder why that is, considering the fact that this character has got to be the worst of the worst in Brawl.
I'm sorry, but you're terrible if you die to this, online or offline. I mean that. I don't want to go ad hominem here, but it's true. You absolutely suck if this kills you. And I mean that for anyone.This is the very reason why Wi-Fi sucks, and why anyone can win, like a Wolf or Pit player who uses f-smash over and over again, while the other guy tries to shield every attack, but since it's not real-time, gets ***** instead.
Correction: You lose to n00bs online. Okay, I'm glad we got that cleared up.The last paragraph you write is such a joke, Sir 0rion. You either didn't read the link to the thread created by FoxySigma, or you're probably just pulling things out of your *** now. No one gives a **** if someone sucks online, because even n00bs can win online, like a Spamchu!
It's funny you mention that, because bad players make these exact same excuses offline, too.And yes, it can be because of latency! "Hey, what the? I just held down the L button to shield, but I got hit anyway!" Or, "Yeah right! I spot-dodged, and I got hit by a Falcon Punch? That's a load of BS!"
That's some nice circular logic you've created there.You can try to defend online gameplay, Sir 0rion. It doesn't matter. Online sucks, because it's not real-time, because it screws with the way you play, and all that other fun stuff.
Thats right and wrong at the same time. Of course in 1 game both players have the same lag handicap but how does it make someone "suck" if he cant adopt to lag. every opponent you play has different delay times and smash brothers isnt about adopting to the lag. Its just offline everyone is even and the game is running on the speed that it should do.Because of the way online gaming works, no matter what lag you have, your opponent is dealing WITH THAT EXACT SAME LAG
But he's not saying that. I'd have no problem with it if he just came out and said "I have trouble playing online."SirOrion you should give HIM a break, seriously.
Dryn is telling you that he has personal problems with online play and its very understandable, for me at least.
Okay, I admit I might have gotten a little carried away with the word "suck," but my point still stands. High-lag matches aren't a rarity for people, even ones that personally have good connections. Any time you play someone really far away from you and/or with a bad connection, you're both going to have the same amount of latency. The game would desynch if that wasn't the case.Thats right and wrong at the same time. Of course in 1 game both players have the same lag handicap but how does it make someone "suck" if he cant adopt to lag.
I know I already mentioned this, but I should reiterate this. Because of the way online video connections are made, this CAN'T be the case. If one player had a different communication rate than the other player(s), the game would desynch, and you wouldn't be able to play at all.Also how would you know when it is unplayable for someone. it might be laggy for someone else while it is absolutely playable for yourself (not talking about lag).
Irony.You shouldn't make up such presumptions and insult others because of that, thats just a very ******** thing to do.
In conclusion, people keep saying that, but they haven't come up with anything other than anecdotal evidence of them failing online to back that up. /threadIn conclusion, online play is for friendlies; in absolutely no ways do they count towards skill. /thread
I was camped on by OS because of lag.lol its true that wifi does hinder peoples abilities but at the same time is it really that big a difference? I mean really a lot of the people i play im 2 stocking often will offline really make that much of a difference? Because im better offline anyways since my abilities arnt hindered either.People always feel that lag is affecting them way worse when it really isn't that bad they just hate being ***** and lag john. Some freinds of mine i play I murder online then play offline and still murder them so...If your an really good on wifi you may not be as good in comparison to some of the offline pros but you will still be very good if anything you will have lots of match up experience which is still useful offline to know about.Just because I happen to be really good at wifi people think i can't play offline lol its easier.
So, when are you going to read up on FoxySigma's thread?Give me a break, man. I mean, seriously.
The only case in which you could legitimately complain about lag is if it creates an un-level playing field. I repeat: THE ONLY CASE IN WHICH YOU COULD MAKE AN EXCUSE LIKE THIS IS IF IT CREATES AN UN-LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. Because of the way online gaming works, no matter what lag you have, your opponent is dealing WITH THAT EXACT SAME LAG.
So much for being adaptive to online, right? I've come across a few people who said that their side was lagging, but I don't know how bad it was. I'd rather rely on proof, though. Until then, I can't say anything for certain on this matter.You might as well complain that you don't have a button that automatically gives you a final smash whenever you want it. If your opponent is handicapped in the exact same way as you on a given match, you have no legitimate basis for complaint. Period, end of story, bottom line.
But you did say, "It's not because of dumb luck or because wi-fi is somehow unplayable with certain characters." Tell me, what did you mean by that?I never said that some characters aren't harder to use online. NOT ONCE.
Then you might want to meet Ref. I wanted to brawl against his Ness, but so far, I haven't. I've brawled with his Bowser, Marth, and R.O.B. I wonder why that is? Perhaps you can ask Ref yourself.You can't see the forest for the trees, can you? I'm saying that using online as an excuse for not playing as any character is a falsehood, too. And you might actually look up who Ally is sometime. You might just learn a thing or two.
Um, first of all, f-smashes can KO. Second of all, I didn't say anything about being KO'd by these attacks when I posted up examples, did I? And if you think that when I used the word, "*****," that I meant being KO'd, then you need to broaden the definition of that word.I'm sorry, but you're terrible if you die to this, online or offline. I mean that. I don't want to go ad hominem here, but it's true. You absolutely suck if this kills you. And I mean that for anyone.
You don't know how I play, or how good I am, Sir 0rion, so save your insults.Correction: You lose to n00bs online. Okay, I'm glad we got that cleared up.
Except, the difference is that offline is real-time. What a concept!It's funny you mention that, because bad players make these exact same excuses offline, too.
You acknowledged yourself that, "Online play is different from offline play." Sir 0rion, Sir 0rion, don't leave us in suspense! Stop being so equivocal and tell us all what you meant by that! And really, when latency is present, you can't honestly say that someone sucks, just because they couldn't keep up with tapping certain buttons at certain times!That's some nice circular logic you've created there.
Haha! What? Where did I say that? I told KingChaos himself that he's good offline. I'm sure of that. What I was saying that just because he can hand my *** to me online doesn't mean it would be the same as if it were offline, because my skills aren't like his. He is likely used to his connection, but I am not. So please, stop make up stupid **** about me!"Sir 0rion said:What HE'S saying is that the only people that win online are spamming scrubs, and therefore online requires no skill. This is patently false.
Screw anecdotal evidence. Read up on FoxySigma's work and debate there.In conclusion, people keep saying that, but they haven't come up with anything other than anecdotal evidence of them failing online to back that up. /thread
I'm not. If you can't contextualize and summarize the relavent information, it's not worth my time.So, when are you going to read up on FoxySigma's thread?
If one side is lagging, then BOTH sides are. This is a HARD-AND-FAST RULE of online gaming. If one side has a different communication speed than the other, THE GAME DESYNCHS.So much for being adaptive to online, right? I've come across a few people who said that their side was lagging, but I don't know how bad it was. I'd rather rely on proof, though. Until then, I can't say anything for certain on this matter.
Wi-fi can make it HARDER to use certain characters, but not even SLIGHTLY impossible. Good wi-fi Ness players can PK Thunder themselves back to the stage even with a bad connection. (Of course, good Ness players rarely rely on PK Thunder for recovery anyway, but that's beside the point.)But you did say, "It's not because of dumb luck or because wi-fi is somehow unplayable with certain characters." Tell me, what did you mean by that?
I have no qualms with this, but how is this relevant to your point?Then you might want to meet Ref. I wanted to brawl against his Ness, but so far, I haven't. I've brawled with his Bowser, Marth, and R.O.B. I wonder why that is? Perhaps you can ask Ref yourself.
So, you got killed by a forward smash playing online? STOP THE PRESSES!Um, first of all, f-smashes can KO. Second of all, I didn't say anything about being KO'd by these attacks when I posted up examples, did I? And if you think that when I used the word, "*****," that I meant being KO'd, then you need to broaden the definition of that word.
I'm saying that IF you get beaten by spamming scrubs, you're not that good. I'm also saying that given what you've said so far, I have every indication to believe that this is the case.You don't know how I play, or how good I am, Sir 0rion, so save your insults.
You've established that online and offline play are different. In case you haven't realized, no one is disputing that. I've said it multiple times myself. In fact...Except, the difference is that offline is real-time. What a concept!
Yes I can. I can say that they haven't adapted to a different style of play. They might be good at ONE style of play, but they can't play according to different metrics. It's very simple.You acknowledged yourself that, "Online play is different from offline play." Sir 0rion, Sir 0rion, don't leave us in suspense! Stop being so equivocal and tell us all what you meant by that! And really, when latency is present, you can't honestly say that someone sucks, just because they couldn't keep up with tapping certain buttons at certain times!
If I'm wrong about you being bad at online play, so be it. I'm even willing to throw out any ad hom statements and stick to the facts if you're prepared to do the same. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're a GOOD online player for the sake of argument. It's still irrelevant.What I was saying that just because he can hand my *** to me online doesn't mean it would be the same as if it were offline, because my skills aren't like his. He is likely used to his connection, but I am not. So please, stop make up stupid **** about me!
After I read what I bolded here, I felt no reason to continue with this. This is exactly what I was talking about in the first place. I apologize for coming off as rude, but I felt like I was being misunderstood. I wasn't saying that people who play online. I was just saying that Wi-Fi is auto-johned, so even if anyone was johning about losing online, big deal. You should read Foxy's thread. You'll see the difference between online and offline experiences.Let's not get into an issue of semantics, here. Online play DOES take skill. It takes additional skills that aren't required of offline play, certainly. And some things that are easy to do offline can be more difficult online. And yes, sometimes a player can be good offline, but not be as good online. If we're both in agreement about these statements, then we're essentially in agreement, and there's nothing more to debate.
agree with you for the most part but this is incredibly untrue, almost everyonline match i have, i get screwed over by enormous amouts of BL, i try johning, but its no use seeing they had aboluty no lag most times, or they didnt have that bad of lag... i dont even bother saying the lag was bad any more i just say its a bad day for me otherwise i get this same answer everytime, there was no lag no johns noob samus. RAWR. Me and my friend actually made a cool brawl movie where i have this extreme BL and when i go to say thats to much lag to play in they say gg there was no lag... no johnsno matter what lag you have, your opponent is dealing WITH THAT EXACT SAME LAG.
ahha as long as im around chaos will be 2nd bestSo chaos are you up for a game? i wanna play the best wifi samus![]()
hmm whats ur online name?play me aswell then ;D i think i got you in my list allready if you are the TAC with the ridley icon ??
ya i just face you and we have HORRIBLE LAG, i had to think 12 moves ahead, lets not play anymore til December xDits vivid
im adding you KC
haha sry man, but u understand im sure XDlol TAC I see how it is xD i'll play you orichalcum add me ill add you play you when i see you.I gotta say though lately I seem to be a lil off my game with samus trying to fix that but in bit of a slump right now.