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Alabama Thread! (10/26/2016 update)

DanGR

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theONEjanitor said:
camping is temporarily not approaching to find a better position

stalling is never approaching because you don't intend to play the match. i dont understand the confusion
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I don't know how you do it, but I never approach when I camp. I try to make approaching for my opponent as difficult as possible and as impossible as I can. Is that stalling?
 
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DanGR said:
I don't know how you do it, but I never approach when I camp. I try to make approaching for my opponent as difficult as possible and as impossible as I can. Is that stalling?
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It seems pretty clear to me. It's just a matter of whether you are on the edge because you are trying to get a better position on your opponent or whether you are trying to run out the time in the match.
 
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Wow. My last post was very angry towards you Brawl guys. My apologies; I really didn't mean to sound like that much of a douche.

God, I hope I'm not that much of a **** normally.
 
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@ The stalling/planking topic topic

I did this in the last VGB. Someone even asked during the game why I was stalling.

I WAS NOT STALLING. I did the drop down up-b in order to make my opponent attack. If you're doing of for the sole purpose of getting the upper hand and continuing the fight normally, I say its ok. If you're wasting time or trying to be a meatknight you can die

<.< Sorry WIll_
 
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Sensai said:
Wow. My last post was very angry towards you Brawl guys. My apologies; I really didn't mean to sound like that much of a douche.

God, I hope I'm not that much of a **** normally.
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Don't worry Sensai, you can never be too hard on the Brawl people.
 
DanGR

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Pika_Cam said:
It seems pretty clear to me. It's just a matter of whether you are on the edge because you are trying to get a better position on your opponent or whether you are trying to run out the time in the match.
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What if I want to do both? Camp the ledge? I can stay on the ledge and throw pikmin? This is getting myself in a better position while I camp. Is this banned as opposed to camping from the edge of the stage?


Sensai said:
Wow. My last post was very angry towards you Brawl guys. My apologies; I really didn't mean to sound like that much of a douche.

God, I hope I'm not that much of a **** normally.
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I'm used to it.

I play a game that isn't as good as Melee so I deserve it.
 
theONEjanitor

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DanGR said:
I don't know how you do it, but I never approach when I camp. I try to make approaching for my opponent as difficult as possible and as impossible as I can. Is that stalling?
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unless we have different meaning for "approaching".

if you run away the whole match and never attack, yes you're stalling. on most stages that doesn't work though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSlN5W2HYA
see 30 seconds into this video, that's DQ worthy in my opinion. (more so, i think this is why luigi's mansion should be banned but that's another discussion)

if you run away and throw pikmin, that's not stalling, that's pikmin camping. you're engaging your opponent still.

if camp the ledge and throw pikmin the whole match, that's stalling, that's not finding a better position. it's not likely that the "better position" never arrives throughout the duration of the whole match. if you stay there the whole match, you clearly aren't looking for a position, you just intended to stay there the whole match. that's stalling. i dont know much about olimar, but I dont think he can plank very well anyway. so it probably wouldn't end up being an issue. if you ledge camp, and ledge hop f-air when you seen an opening, and then ledge camp again, (or something to that effect) that's fine. that's capitalizing on an opening. but if you basically sit there doing something that you could do just as well with your eyes closed, (like what the GW was doing) that's stalling.
btw, its somewhat hard to take stocks from your opponent if you never approach them.
 
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When you camp the ledge and throw pikmin from the ledge, that's finding the better position and staying there. That's called camping. Likewise, if I stand next to the edge and throw pikmin from there, that's sitting at the best position I can find and camping from there.

What you're telling me is that if I sit somewhere for too long (regardless of if I'm applying pressure or not) that's called stalling- which it isn't.
 
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camping isnt banned.
stalling is.

end?

anyways, when are these tournaments you guys keep mentioning in january??
and where?
 
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When ask to define pornography, a chief justice of the supreme court famously replied: "I know it when I see it." I believe that this silly tactic needs to be looked at on a case by case basis in order to determine whether it is truly stalling or not.

The technique here is harder to objectively define than a banned use of the rising pound. If player 2 is trying in earnest to hit player 1, but cannot due to the use of player 1's tactics, and player 1 refuses to engage in combat himself, then you have a case of stalling.

If you look at how stalling is defined by smashboards, you see it looks for actions surrounding the intent of the player. If the intent is to wear out the clock, it's stalling. If it's a move that is extremely difficult to counter/impossible to counter once it lands, that is not stalling. Hence why there is a damage limit on infinite throws, to ensure that the intent is not to burn time, but to take off a stock.

What that G&W was doing is known as a dìck move. It's not a way to make people like you, but it's a tactic to win matches. If approach is impossible or near impossible, that is one thing, and it should be looked at differently than just simple stalling. Example: Melee Rising Pound. Approaching a jigglypuff who is off a stage and using rising pound is nearly impossible. The risk is absurdly high with no real chance for reward. The only logical step up would be to use jiggs in a tourney match, get ahead by a stock, and then rising pound for the rest of the match. The highest level of play would thus devolve into stalling matches, seeing who can stall best.
 
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Is it bad that I only recognized two of the names used in that vid?

And Psychomidget used to have a good snake.
 
Duchock

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Agree with Munkus. I was trying to say... that d word... earlier about planking, but Smashboards just refused to let it show. Replace my words with asterisks, will they!! Well, I guess I gave to play into their silly little game.

I think Metaknight and planking are related in this d--- sense. Some people might consider playing Mk in a tourny as a dìck move since he's **considered overpowered** just as planking is **considered illegal** (stalling, DQ worthy, etc... anything fits really). This is all considerations which have merit, but until tournament officials crack down one way or another (not banning Mk, and a decision to be made about planking apparently) the law will never be writ in stone.

I don't see Mk as dìckery, but I do for planking. It's just too... pornographic of a tactic... and I don't think it has much of a place in competative gameplay. But that's just me.
 
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so basically just play brawl and use common sense and win by taking stocks and not running the time out, and you'll be fine

i dont worry too much about metaknight anymore since i realized that snakes grenades counter every single one of his moves.

oh while we're on the rules issue. i haven't made it clear my stance on suicide moves at my tournaments.
ganoncides and bowsercides will result in the winner being the person who initiates the suicide.

i'm not sure about kirby/dedede though, because technically it seems that its a double KO...and even more technically it would seem that kirby/dedede's hurtbox would TECHNICALLY touch the blast zone first
thoughts?
 
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Here's the thing, the Ganon and Bowser ones are no brainer bowser's favor because they are only possible if you rack your opponent to a high percent, which means you are winning in some sense. (For ganoncide your opponent has to be over abyss, which means they are probably high percent. If you ganoncide a ledge camping ROB, more power to you)

Kirby and D3, afaik percent does not affect the escape rate. Thus it's an "unfair" SD, you can do it and completely and totally level the score.

That's the logic i've heard thrown around before, and i buy it. I would say Kirby and D3's SD's go with the pokemon SD rule (initiator loses), Bowser's and ganon's are initiator wins.
 
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What munkus said. There's actions surrounding intent. If you are camping and dealing damage or you clearly are trying to, then it's not stalling.
 
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Man all this Brawl hate actually kinda hurts... Good thing i sold my Wii to a friend of mine who has little brothers who have been playing it non stop since Christmas. I'm not a huge Rock band fan xD

Oh and btw guys what is planking exactly?

@Huntsville: Andy will you be back by Saturday? and if so do we want to have a smashfest then? i am dieing to play. I'd like to get a few games in before school starts again.
 
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popsofctown said:
Here's the thing, the Ganon and Bowser ones are no brainer bowser's favor because they are only possible if you rack your opponent to a high percent, which means you are winning in some sense. (For ganoncide your opponent has to be over abyss, which means they are probably high percent. If you ganoncide a ledge camping ROB, more power to you)

Kirby and D3, afaik percent does not affect the escape rate. Thus it's an "unfair" SD, you can do it and completely and totally level the score.

That's the logic i've heard thrown around before, and i buy it. I would say Kirby and D3's SD's go with the pokemon SD rule (initiator loses), Bowser's and ganon's are initiator wins.
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whether or not you have to be at a high percentage isn't really relevant. Gimping people at low percentage is part of what makes Smash games competitive
 
Will_

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I'd be there for saturday smash.

And Brawl is good when you stop trying to play it like it's Melee.
 
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